Netanyahu warns US 'bad deal' would put Iran on nuclear path

[up-country_sinclair]

Iran is on record for wanting to wipe out the regime, not the country. We have established this as fact. Also, that was a past government, so has little relevance to today.

Precisely. However, that doesn't matter one whit to the Israel Firsters who seemingly have an insatiable desire to demonize Islam and Iran in particular. One of their favorite tactics is to post videos and quotes of Iranian leaders even though they themselves don't speak a lick of Farsi. They do, however, provide "translations" done by idfblog.com and the like. Then these posters repeat these mistranslated quotes ad nauseum in the hopes that it will become accepted as fact.

And then they wonder why they have no credibility.

[Scott]

Off-topic, inflammatory posts and replies have been removed.

[Ulysses G.]

One of their favorite tactics is to post videos and quotes of Iranian leaders even though they themselves don't speak a lick of Farsi. They do, however, provide "translations" done by idfblog.com and the like.

Don't forget translations by the likes of Wikiquote. Speaking of no credibility, how are you going to spin that one.

There is only one possible solution to unrest in the Middle East, "namely the annihilation and destruction of the Zionist state."

-Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei

Edited March 5, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[GentlemanJim]

One of their favorite tactics is to post videos and quotes of Iranian leaders even though they themselves don't speak a lick of Farsi. They do, however, provide "translations" done by idfblog.com and the like.

Don't forget translations by the likes of Wikiquote. Speaking of no credibility, how are you going to spin that one.

There is only one possible solution to unrest in the Middle East, "namely the annihilation and destruction of the Zionist state."

-Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei

You are having a laugh aren't you! Wikiquote can be edited by anybody! Even you, and imagine what you would have us believe. Just what credibility has crowd contributed info got exactly? Wikiquote like most other wiki's is the truth according to whoever could be bothered to go on and write it last.

[Ulysses G.]

Sp, lets get this straight. The numerous quotes of the Supreme Leader of Iran about Israel are all fake, unless Israel-haters certify them as genuine.

[There is only one possible solution to unrest in the Middle East], "namely the annihilation and destruction of the Zionist state."
-Ali Khamenei

It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region.
-Ali Khamenei

http://quotes.yourdictionary.com/author/ali-khamenei/

Edited March 5, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[chuckd]

Can someone tell me why Boehner is not in jail?

"The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 30 January 1799, currently codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953) is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years."

Can someone tell me what negotiations were conducted and what agreements were reached between Boehner and any foreign government?

[GentlemanJim]

Iran is not on record for 'wanting to destroy Israel', that is a lie, it is propaganda and innocent people die as a result of it.

Actually Iran IS on record for wanting to destroy Israel and not just for one statement by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. It has been said many times by many Iranian leaders. YOU are the one promoting lies.

“It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region"

- Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

http://jcpa.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/IransIntent2012b.pdf

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14336

What is truly disturbing is that you quote/link two sites with articles written by the same man - a retired IDF Lt Col and actually believe you have found a credible neutral source of opinion and information. This is WHY we are in such a mess, because people refuse to wake up and smell the coffee. The internet has liberated us in that if we choose to search for neutral sources of info, they are all there to be found, and will display the web of deceit and lies that are manufactured to keep the population frightened and repressed.

The author you quote makes an interesting statement in the linked article:

Incitement to Genocide

The 1948 Genocide Convention lists incitement to commit genocide as a war crime. Much of the Iranian language regarding Israel can certainly be legally defined this way.

A common motif of incitement to genocide is the dehumanization of the target population. The Nazi weekly Der Stürmer portrayed Jews as parasites and locusts. In the early 1990s in Rwanda, Hutu propaganda described the Tutsis as “cockroaches.” Before Saddam Hussein’s operations against the Iraqi Shia population in 1991, his Baath Party newspaper characterized them as “monkey-faced people.”

Similarly, former President Ahmadinejad has called Israeli Jews “cattle,” “blood-thirsty barbarians,” and “criminals,”

Now if we apply the same standard to the Palestinian situation that the author is applying to Iran then of course Netanyahu and Israel is guilty of Incitement to genocide and war crimes, there is no doubt at all. Palestinians described as 'dogs', snakes and the population dehumanized. You can't have it all ways can you? Ayelet Shaked, the Israeli politician who used to work as Director of Netanyahu's office said "Israel should declare war on the "entire [Palestinian] people, including its elderly and its women, its cities and its villages, its property and its infrastructure", she called for the killing of all Palestinian Mothers.Now if that is not incitement to Genocide what is? With lines like that around and the physical situation on the ground is it any wonder that an Iranian President will call 'jews blood-thirsty barbarians?

We are once again being persuaded of the validity of a war on a sovereign nation by being fed a pack of propaganda and lies and despite thinking we might learn from Bush/Blair and Iraq everyone is being suckered yet again.

Now Iran do not come out of this smelling of roses at all, but it is time Israel stopped playing the victim, because they are not. They have used the last 100 years of history to great advantage and have now 'grown up' as the new school bully, and a very formidable one at that, face facts they have just bullied the United States and got away with it, so the sky's the limit!

[Ulysses G.]

What is truly disturbing is that you quote/link two sites with articles written by the same man - a retired IDF Lt Col

I linked to numerous web sites ALL SAYING THE SAME THING and you have produced no evidence what-so-ever that the quotes are incorrect. Most normal people realize that someone that used to be in the IDF can type famous quotes as well as the next person, but there are plenty credible sources that he has nothing to do with.

It is the mission of the Islamic Republic of Iran to erase Israel from the map of the region. -Ali Khamenei

https://books.google.co.th/books?id=POYBAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=It+is+the+mission+of+the+Islamic+Republic+of+Iran+to+erase+Israel+from+the+map+of+the+region.+-Ali+Khamenei&source=bl&ots=ul5n1Rl11n&sig=uVii-PoStILTL7au9pyGRgd0ojs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Rub3VJ3qEtCsuQTBpIGoBQ&ved=0CBMQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=It%20is%20the%20mission%20of%20the%20Islamic%20Republic%20of%20Iran%20to%20erase%20Israel%20from%20the%20map%20of%20the%20region.%20-Ali%20Khamenei&f=false

Kasra Naji is an Iranian journalist and he was never in the IDF.

Edited March 5, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[Publicus]

Can someone tell me why Boehner is not in jail?

"The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 30 January 1799, currently codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953) is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating

with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment

of up to three years."

Can someone tell me what negotiations were conducted and what agreements were reached between Boehner and any foreign government?

Let's have the FBI investigate to find out if anything was exchanged, agreed, if there was a quid pro quo of any sort or any suggestion

or implication made that might undermine the president's negotiating team on the P5+1 group negotiating with Iran over the nuclear issues.

I'd bet the farm the ayatollahs watched the speech.

Conspiracy:An agreement between two or more persons to engage jointly in an unlawful or criminal act, or an act that is innocent in itself

but becomes unlawful when done by the combination of actors.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy

Numerous law school deans have stated Boehner has acted against provisions of the Constitution that provide that the president is in charge of

foreign policy, international relations, diplomacy. Lawyers disagree on anything but somebody's right and somebody's wrong, so here is just one

such supporting statement from Peter Spiro of the University of San Diego School of Law....

"First, Congress has no Article I, Section 8 to host a foreign leader.

"Second, reception of foreign leaders is an exclusive power of the President. Article II, Section 3, provides that “he [the President] shall receive

Ambassadors and other public Ministers.” In this situation, Prime Minister Netanyahu, appearing as the official representative of his country,

should be classed as a “public Minister.”

http://originalismblog.typepad.com/the-originalism-blog/2015/01/is-netanyahus-address-to-congress-unconstitutionalmichael-ramsey.html

The case can indeed be made.

Here very specifically is what the Logan Act says......

Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly

commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof,

with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation

to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under

this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

http://opiniojuris.org/2015/01/22/boehners-netanyahu-invite-unconstitutional/

Both sounds good.

Edited March 5, 2015 by Publicus

[Steely Dan]

Back to reality, as of March 2nd the IAEA stated they are still not receiving satisfactory answers from Iran. Meanwhile that buffoon Kerry jets off to Riyadh trying to sell their capitulation to Iran as a good thing. Riyadh has long stopped listening and has arranged to take delivery of nuclear technology from Pakistan and ICBM's from China.

[Chicog]

Here very specifically is what the Logan Act says......

Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly

commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof,

with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation

to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under

this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

http://opiniojuris.org/2015/01/22/boehners-netanyahu-invite-unconstitutional/

Both sounds good.

Bit vague as to "who" is "the United States" really.

So I suppose he won't be grabbing his ankles in a prison shower any time soon.

Shame.

Edited March 5, 2015 by Chicog

[Chicog]

Riyadh has long stopped listening and has arranged to take delivery of nuclear technology from Pakistan and ICBM's from China.

Fascinating.

And your source for that is?.....

[dexterm]

One of their favorite tactics is to post videos and quotes of Iranian leaders even though they themselves don't speak a lick of Farsi. They do, however, provide "translations" done by idfblog.com and the like.

Don't forget translations by the likes of Wikiquote. Speaking of no credibility, how are you going to spin that one.

There is only one possible solution to unrest in the Middle East, "namely the annihilation and destruction of the Zionist state."

-Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei

You, Netanyahu and the IDF blogger are fabricating mistranslations to suit an aggressive Zionist agenda.

Perhaps you will believe the Israeli Minister of Intelligence and Atomic Energy, Dan Meridor

Meridor: Iran never called to wipe out Israel

Speaking to Al Jazeera, deputy PM admits Ahmadinejad was misquoted, never said Israel must be wiped off the map.

Minister of Intelligence and Atomic Energy Dan Meridor told Al Jazeera that Iran never vowed to "wipe Israel off the map," as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has repeatedly claimed.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4216986,00.html

And Iranian leaders aren't the only ones calling for regime change in Israel

Ex-Mossad chief Meir Dagan to headline anti-Netanyahu rally

Dagan, who called Netanyahu's policies 'destructive to the future and security of Israel,' will speak at rally demanding regime change at Tel Aviv's Rabin Square.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.644574

[GentlemanJim]

Back to reality, as of March 2nd the IAEA stated they are still not receiving satisfactory answers from Iran. Meanwhile that buffoon Kerry jets off to Riyadh trying to sell their capitulation to Iran as a good thing. Riyadh has long stopped listening and has arranged to take delivery of nuclear technology from Pakistan and ICBM's from China.

Now that IS worth worrying about! (excuse the pun) ISIS will not take Iran, but they have a growing movement within the young of Saudi. 16 Saudi's out of 19 executed the plan on 9/11 I don't recall any Iranians participating. Saudi with nukes is very worrying (Pakistan is bad enough), the House of Saud is vulnerable and may not last that long. What then?

[chuckd]

Can someone tell me why Boehner is not in jail?

"The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 30 January 1799, currently codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953) is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating

with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment

of up to three years."

Can someone tell me what negotiations were conducted and what agreements were reached between Boehner and any foreign government?

Let's have the FBI investigate to find out if anything was exchanged, agreed, if there was a quid pro quo of any sort or any suggestion

or implication made that might undermine the president's negotiating team on the P5+1 group negotiating with Iran over the nuclear issues.

I'd bet the farm the ayatollahs watched the speech.

Conspiracy:An agreement between two or more persons to engage jointly in an unlawful or criminal act, or an act that is innocent in itself

but becomes unlawful when done by the combination of actors.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy

Numerous law school deans have stated Boehner has acted against provisions of the Constitution that provide that the president is in charge of

foreign policy, international relations, diplomacy. Lawyers disagree on anything but somebody's right and somebody's wrong, so here is just one

such supporting statement from Peter Spiro of the University of San Diego School of Law....

"First, Congress has no Article I, Section 8 to host a foreign leader.

"Second, reception of foreign leaders is an exclusive power of the President. Article II, Section 3, provides that “he [the President] shall receive

Ambassadors and other public Ministers.” In this situation, Prime Minister Netanyahu, appearing as the official representative of his country,

should be classed as a “public Minister.”

http://originalismblog.typepad.com/the-originalism-blog/2015/01/is-netanyahus-address-to-congress-unconstitutionalmichael-ramsey.html

The case can indeed be made.

Here very specifically is what the Logan Act says......

Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly

commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof,

with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation

to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under

this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

http://opiniojuris.org/2015/01/22/boehners-netanyahu-invite-unconstitutional/

Both sounds good.

"Let's have the FBI investigate to find out if anything was exchanged, agreed, if there was a quid pro quo of any sort or any suggestion

or implication made that might undermine the president's negotiating team on the P5+1 group negotiating with Iran over the nuclear issues.

I'd bet the farm the ayatollahs watched the speech."

So you can't answer my question? The only interesting comment you made is to suggest the Ayatollahs in Iran might have watched the speech. That's an interesting assessment since our President, Vice President, Secretary of State and some 50 Democratic party members of Congress were not concerned enough about it to watch it.

And one of those Democrats who did attend (Pelosi) cried her little eyes out. What a farce the Democrats have turned into.

Now on to your ridiculous assertion about the Logan act...

If you can somehow get the FBI to investigate Speaker Boehner to insure nothing of substance was negotiated between him and Netanyahu, please let us all know.

In the meantime, the speech is over and done. Your constitutional outrage is now outdated and immaterial.

Spin away and remember to get the last word in.

[Steely Dan]

Back to reality, as of March 2nd the IAEA stated they are still not receiving satisfactory answers from Iran. Meanwhile that buffoon Kerry jets off to Riyadh trying to sell their capitulation to Iran as a good thing. Riyadh has long stopped listening and has arranged to take delivery of nuclear technology from Pakistan and ICBM's from China.

Now that IS worth worrying about! (excuse the pun) ISIS will not take Iran, but they have a growing movement within the young of Saudi. 16 Saudi's out of 19 executed the plan on 9/11 I don't recall any Iranians participating. Saudi with nukes is very worrying (Pakistan is bad enough), the House of Saud is vulnerable and may not last that long. What then?

Agreed, but to stop the current Saudi regime from pursuing nuclear weapons there had to be a large degree of confidence that Iran would never get them. Look at it from a Saudi perspective, they are now bordered by Iraq and Yemen, which are looking like two Iranian satellite states. They know their own regime is unstable and an uprising in the South where their Shia minority live aided and abetted by Yemen could topple their regime with Sunnis flocking to join ISIS to fight the Shia.

P.s A few days ago yet another U.S trained group of Syrian moderates joined ISIS. The suppression of an expansionist Iran and maintenance of regimes suppressing Sunni militants was the optimum strategy for keeping the Middle East relatively quiet. The Obama administration has done the exact opposite.

[Chicog]

P.s A few days ago yet another U.S trained group of Syrian moderates joined ISIS. The suppression of an expansionist Iran and maintenance of regimes suppressing Sunni militants was the optimum strategy for keeping the Middle East relatively quiet. The Obama administration has done the exact opposite.

The Obama administration was not in power when an Islamic State was declared in Iraq in 2006.

And China and Russia prevented the US getting involved in Syria, which has proved to be a breeding ground for IS Sunni extremism thanks to Assad's genocide.

So I think you are apportioning blame to the wrong parties.

As for the moderates joining ISIS, can you post a link?

[hard124get]

Israel has hundreds of undeclared, illegal nuclear weapons.

Speaking of false information, Israel's nuclear weapons are NOT illegal. Calling lies "facts" does not change the fact that they are not true.

Do Israel claim their nuclear weapons are legal? Did they steal the technology? Were parts not illegally smuggled into Israel? Have they signed the NPT, as Iran and all responsible countries have ? Under International Law, the highest of all laws, they are illegal.

[Steely Dan]

P.s A few days ago yet another U.S trained group of Syrian moderates joined ISIS. The suppression of an expansionist Iran and maintenance of regimes suppressing Sunni militants was the optimum strategy for keeping the Middle East relatively quiet. The Obama administration has done the exact opposite.

The Obama administration was not in power when an Islamic State was declared in Iraq in 2006.

And China and Russia prevented the US getting involved in Syria, which has proved to be a breeding ground for IS Sunni extremism thanks to Assad's genocide.

So I think you are apportioning blame to the wrong parties.

As for the moderates joining ISIS, can you post a link?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/01/main-u-s-backed-syrian-rebel-group-disbanding-joining-islamists.html

There you go, be my guest and go all sniffy about the source as if that somehow means it didn't happen. The quote from the U.S analyst who declared the implosion of the main U.S sponsored rebel group was 'absolutely remarkable' is itself absolutely remarkable as it shows the delusion and naivety of the Obama administration.

[sunshine51]

Israel has hundreds of undeclared, illegal nuclear weapons.

Speaking of false information, Israel's nuclear weapons are NOT illegal. Calling lies "facts" does not change the fact that they are not true.

Do Israel claim their nuclear weapons are legal? Did they steal the technology? Were parts not illegally smuggled into Israel? Have they signed the NPT, as Iran and all responsible countries have ? Under International Law, the highest of all laws, they are illegal.

Yeah...but once you have em...the issue of legality goes out the window like a fart in a typhoon doesn't it.

Israel also doesn't care about legalities as long as what they do can somehow be misconstrued as defending

the state.

[sunshine51]

Here's a pretty good article on Sunni-Shia divisions...with a bit of Israel tossed in...

http://www.cfr.org/peace-conflict-and-human-rights/sunni-shia-divide/p33176#!/

One must remember that when the US was still at war in Iraq there was this thing

called the Anbar Awakening....well the US reneged on that....so much for building

bridges....read a brief below...

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2014/10/31/iraqs-sunnis-wont-fight-isis-for-u-s/

Edited March 5, 2015 by sunshine51

[Ulysses G.]

Israel has hundreds of undeclared, illegal nuclear weapons.

Speaking of false information, Israel's nuclear weapons are NOT illegal. Calling lies "facts" does not change the fact that they are not true.

Do Israel claim their nuclear weapons are legal? Did they steal the technology? Were parts not illegally smuggled into Israel? Have they signed the NPT, as Iran and all responsible countries have ? Under International Law, the highest of all laws, they are illegal.

Again. Israel's nuclear weapons are NOT illegal and they are under no obligation to sign the NPT as their weapons predate it. You are making things up.

Edited March 5, 2015 by Ulysses G.

[up-country_sinclair]

One of their favorite tactics is to post videos and quotes of Iranian leaders even though they themselves don't speak a lick of Farsi. They do, however, provide "translations" done by idfblog.com and the like.

Don't forget translations by the likes of Wikiquote. Speaking of no credibility, how are you going to spin that one.

There is only one possible solution to unrest in the Middle East, "namely the annihilation and destruction of the Zionist state."

-Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei

You are having a laugh aren't you! Wikiquote can be edited by anybody! Even you, and imagine what you would have us believe. Just what credibility has crowd contributed info got exactly? Wikiquote like most other wiki's is the truth according to whoever could be bothered to go on and write it last.

"Don't forget translations by the likes of Wikiquote"

A bit of unsolicited (but clearly needed) advice: Some would be better served by forgetting translations by the likes of Wikiquote.

Edited March 5, 2015 by up-country_sinclair

[Chicog]

P.s A few days ago yet another U.S trained group of Syrian moderates joined ISIS. The suppression of an expansionist Iran and maintenance of regimes suppressing Sunni militants was the optimum strategy for keeping the Middle East relatively quiet. The Obama administration has done the exact opposite.

The Obama administration was not in power when an Islamic State was declared in Iraq in 2006.

And China and Russia prevented the US getting involved in Syria, which has proved to be a breeding ground for IS Sunni extremism thanks to Assad's genocide.

So I think you are apportioning blame to the wrong parties.

As for the moderates joining ISIS, can you post a link?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/01/main-u-s-backed-syrian-rebel-group-disbanding-joining-islamists.html

There you go, be my guest and go all sniffy about the source as if that somehow means it didn't happen. The quote from the U.S analyst who declared the implosion of the main U.S sponsored rebel group was 'absolutely remarkable' is itself absolutely remarkable as it shows the delusion and naivety of the Obama administration.

No sniffiness here.

Can you point out the bit where it says even words to the effect that "yet another U.S trained group of Syrian moderates joined ISIS. "?

Edited March 5, 2015 by Chicog

[mania]

The irony is thick..........

Here we have a country who wants to bomb another unprovoked over something they may or may not have said

Yet here they are themselves saying they want to attack a country that has done them no harm.

Words interpreted rightly or wrongly are words not acts of war. Actions/Attacks/Aggressions that are carried out against a country that has not attacked anyone directly are unprovoked acts of war.

If Israel wants to commit such an act against Iran let them stand alone then hold them accountable.

Edited March 5, 2015 by mania

[LuckyLew]

This Netanyahu is a monster size tosser, on one side of his mouth he is ranting about the bad deal the USA

is making with Iran regarding nukes, while the other side if his mouth he is asking for a few extra hundred million in

hand outs form this same administration

Tosser of the year in my books

[Ulysses G.]

A bit of unsolicited (but clearly needed) advice: Some would be better served by forgetting translations by the likes of Wikiquote.

It is the same exact quote as in numerous other places, including history books by Iranian journalists and none of you have been able to refute it. I have noticed that most of your advice is worth what it costs, NOTHING.

[mania]

56 who didn't drop their drawers & may be worth a vote

regardless of party affiliations...happy to see my home State in there

Nearly 60 Lawmakers Boycott Netanyahu Speech

[Ulysses G.]

56 who didn't drop their drawers & may be worth a vote

regardless of party affiliations...

They dropped their drawers for Obama. Whatever turns you on.

[mania]

56 who didn't drop their drawers & may be worth a vote

regardless of party affiliations...

They dropped their drawers for Obama. Whatever turns you on.

555 yeah well Americans bowing to the US Commander in Chief is a dang sight better than

bowing to some foreign beggar/war monger that has been crying the same tune for decades

Cut his food stamps now IMHO

Edited March 5, 2015 by mania