Ford Everest - All New 2015

[Ace of Pop]

[IMHO]

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Not a great photo, but those reflections sure look blurry, not sharp.

[JAS21]

You guys seem to know a hell of a lot more about paint and coatings than me. What can be done to make white paint work look good or better? I've heard that not very much makes any real world difference.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Please don't say paint it black.

Mr IMHO has given you the lowdown ... however either of the below will definitely improve and with not a lot of effort.

1 ... Get some of this. You can apply it by hand (see pad), but a machine application is faster. And you will only take a couple of microns off anyway ... it won't really remove swirls etc but they don't show up much on white anyway ... well not from a distance.

Or get some CP501F ... that will help to fill in the swirls ... I think that I have seen it advertised on TWCC ... if like me you can't read 'wormee writing' get your wife to.

And here is a tip ... don't use a sponge for washing. Foam the car first either with a washing mit or Pressure washer. Always wash and dry wiping in straight lines and not circles ....wipe using microfiber towel ...... enjoy

[JAS21]

You guys seem to know a hell of a lot more about paint and coatings than me. What can be done to make white paint work look good or better? I've heard that not very much makes any real world difference.

Any suggestions appreciated.

Please don't say paint it black.

Mr IMHO has given you the lowdown ... however either of the below will definitely improve and with not a lot of effort.

1 ... Mirror Glaze.jpg Get some of this. You can apply it by hand (see pad), but a machine application is faster. And you will only take a couple of microns off anyway ... it won't really remove swirls etc but they don't show up much on white anyway ... well not from a distance.

Or get some CP501F ... that will help to fill in the swirls ... I think that I have seen it advertised on TWCC ... if like me you can't read 'wormee writing' get your wife to.

And here is a tip ... don't use a sponge for washing. Foam the car first either with a washing mit or Pressure washer. Always wash and dry wiping in straight lines and not circles ....wipe using microfiber towel ...... enjoy

Sorry forgot ...make sure that you clay the whole car before starting either of the above... if you don't have any TWCC sellers do

[luwahn]

Yep, de-orange-peeling is hard work.

On the Everest, I got two doors about 50% done in a day, using the Carpro velvet pads and some Menzerna compounds along with my trusty old Meguiars dual action polisher. There are more aggressive pads (the Carpro denims) and more aggressive tools (rotary) that will get you there faster, but you'd better be 100% sure how thick the clear coat is before you start going that hard...

At this stage, I'm only feeling confident taking it down ~50% - I have a digital paint thickness gauge on it's way though which I hope tells me there's enough factory clear coat left to take it down some more

Unfortunately I didn't think it'd become a topic, so didn't take any before photos.. I only have this "half way there" photo:

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Note that this has a layer of Wolfgang Fuzion on it, so I can still continue work on the orange peel later on.. I'm yet undecided whether or not I'll glass coat the sides, or just the hood/roof/bumper, and leave the sides with a wax layer - I still love the Fuzion look

That is one nice shine!!! Nothing outshines a well polished black vehicle - IMHO.

What is your thinking between using glass coat and wax-layer (Wolfgang Fuzion?)?

At this stage, I still love the Fuzion, but I have to decide if I'm going to be prepared to spend a few hours on this car every 4-8 weeks to replenish a wax layer - considering other people will be driving it a lot more than I will.

My current thought process is to glass coat the front bumper, hood and roof (for durability/protection), but use a wax on the sides and back, where it's added 'pop' and wetness is most visible. That might change to glass all over after I see the marring from other drivers, and get sick of fixing it though

This opens the door to a couple of (technical) questions about glass coat and wax applications: Would there be any downside if a person were to first glass coat their whole car and then apply Wolfgang Fusion over the body panels of their choice. Also, after first glass coating the whole car, can it be of any benefit to then apply a coat of Mequiars 2.0 sealant (for its added shine(?)) and then top that off with a carnauba wax? Or is it that, the way glass coating molecularly 'bonds' with the vehicle's paint does not allow the sealant to bond? What is your reasoning for using 'either', 'or' but not 'both' glass coat and carnauba together on the same vehicle panels?

[IMHO]

This opens the door to a couple of (technical) questions about glass coat and wax applications: Would there be any downside if a person were to first glass coat their whole car and then apply Wolfgang Fusion over the body panels of their choice. Also, after first glass coating the whole car, can it be of any benefit to then apply a coat of Mequiars 2.0 sealant (for its added shine(?)) and then top that off with a carnauba wax? Or is it that, the way glass coating molecularly 'bonds' with the vehicle's paint does not allow the sealant to bond? What is your reasoning for using 'either', 'or' but not 'both' glass coat and carnauba together on the same vehicle panels?

Nothing sticks to glass - not even a wax or a sealant. Yes, you can wax it and get a little more 'pop' for an afternoon.. but that's all

[WinnieTheKhwai]

I finally took my Everest test drive this afternoon and the experience was exactly as IMHO described earlier - This SUV is sweet and a driving pleasure. Being MU-7 owner, the power train of the Everest was smoother through its total range - at times, it brought to mind 'moments of BMW-like ride': The transmission shifted beautifully and was more car-like. There were other moments when the ride let me 'know' I was driving the 2.2L with its 160 hp and not the more powerful 3.2L with its 200 hp which I know should be a better choice for effortlessly powering the EV up the likes of 'Phuket hill' or those mountain roads up north, no matter what or how much load the SUV is carrying. Along with the handling, the braking was nice and crisp - effortless.

Well, I took mine up a couple hills in the North yesterday. I also have the cheapo 2.2 and while I wasn't expecting it to eat the hills alive, it did *really* well, and much better than I expected. I don't think anyone needs to doubt the engine grunt and auto gearbox for up-hill driving. This including some hairpins on the Samoeng road as well as a really steep (but paved) road up a hill.

I did notice that engine breaking when going back down that really steep hill while engaging first gear manually is not the same as putting a manual gearbox truck in first gear and letting it crawl down. (This is the first auto box car I drive in the hills though, it's probably just a feature of automatic gearboxes..). The 4WD models may do a lot better there as they have assisted descent.

As for ride comfort, it's really smooth on tarmac, but on concrete roads the smaller irregularities in the surface feel relatively bumpy. And it's quiet.. a very civilized experience overall.

The interior was of upscale design in my estimation and with seats of a nice and higher quality of leather, too ..... comparisons to 'higher class' SUVs, indeed!

I was very impressed with the driving and overall quality of the Everest. This will be the next SUV I buy!

Yeah.. it really is Camry-like in there. My old truck was the 2000 model Ranger and it's astonishing how many more comfort features a fairly basic truck-based SUV has today. (Internet connectivity panel.. really?!) But also the power steering is lovely, it's l ight only at very low speeds and the change to highway speeds is very natural. Even on current model American cars I've seen a more pronounced difference that felt a little weird, where steering suddenly turns very heavy at higher speeds. On the Everest it's perfect though. Also the turning radius is great, as this was a major negative of the (very) old model Ranger, where you really had to pay attention doing U-turns on all but the widest highways.

And the dash toys are extensive; Bluetooth for calls, audio and so on, the sound system is nothing short of amazing (compared to what I came from), and there is a whole forest of settings to change all kinds of things to match your preference. And all the dash screens with fuel consumption rates and so on are also fun. (Again, this is from coming from a truck with a grand total of 4 gauges on the dash. ) The whole system is basically the same as on mid range Ford passenger cars in the USA. The one thing I can't as yet figure out is the Applink-Sync where some mobile apps can be used through the voice control system; bluetooth music streaming works just fine as does calls, messages and internet, just not the app linking.

More importantly though, the leather seats are very nice, the auto aircon (dual/separate left/right and separate aircon for the back) is great.

Maybe it's a little too tall. You really climb into the thing and I'm not a small person. Also the seatbelts are black in color, and don't match the rest of the interior.. Seatbelt buckle receptacle is a nasty black plastic too; they look like they had them left over from the Mazda Familia parts bin.

IMHO, what upgrades or modifications do you have in mind for your Everest? What audio/entertainment upgrades did you add to your PJS?

If I had a new Everest I would immediately switch the OEM tyres for a set of Parada Spec-X tires (and enjoy a discount at the same time), install ceramic window tint and a (race)chip.....oh, and buy a top-of-the-line Garmin GPS!

LOL, I have a hard time thinking of anything else it needs. GPS indeed or a rear cam in addition to the sensors maybe. The lack of a cam really feels like the only thing that could/should have been there; it's also not on the 3.2 4WD model, only on the very top one. In terms of priorities maybe for Thailand it would make more sense to lose the cruise control but put in a rear cam and some front sensors with the money saved.

Anyway I'm not sure I care about the GPS; phones and tablets do that just fine, and also Google got voice control down a lot better than the Microsoft SYNC system. With Google you can just go "Ok Google, can you call my wife for me please?". As opposed to the more command-scripted SYNC system where you need to use distinct commands.

As for messing with the engine to the point of a race chip.. no way! I think I leave engine management to the way Ford designers intended it. Also as the fuel economy is another big positive; with that mountain trip followed by some suburban and city driving, I got to about 13 kms per liter. It's likely capable of better too, when really trying hard. Which makes it more frugal than the old 2.5 Turbo in the old Ranger, even though it's a heavier vehicle.

What's the cost for doing the whole car in this film?

Dealer put 3M film for me free of charge, and that's fine for me. I think we did 40% in front and 60% rear. (I like to be able to look out the windows at night.. )

Not much else to be had to sweeten the deal, although we got insurance as well as a 20K discount as our last car was also a Ford. And some rubber floor mats I think, LOL.

Edited September 2, 2015 by WinnieTheKhwai

[luwahn]

This opens the door to a couple of (technical) questions about glass coat and wax applications: Would there be any downside if a person were to first glass coat their whole car and then apply Wolfgang Fusion over the body panels of their choice. Also, after first glass coating the whole car, can it be of any benefit to then apply a coat of Mequiars 2.0 sealant (for its added shine(?)) and then top that off with a carnauba wax? Or is it that, the way glass coating molecularly 'bonds' with the vehicle's paint does not allow the sealant to bond? What is your reasoning for using 'either', 'or' but not 'both' glass coat and carnauba together on the same vehicle panels?

Nothing sticks to glass - not even a wax or a sealant. Yes, you can wax it and get a little more 'pop' for an afternoon.. but that's all

Thanks for making that clear!

[Cabrinha]

I'm being quoted a delivery month of May next year if I order a Titanium+ now in Hua Hin.

What delivery times are other dealers currently giving on Titanium +?

[WinnieTheKhwai]

^ Wow that's a long way out.. Meanwhile the regular models (2.2 and 3.2 4WD) are being shifted like hot cakes; we waited about a week for ours as long as we weren't picky about color.

A delivery of May sounds to me like they haven't started making them yet for the Thai market. Also the price will go up next year due to new taxes.

So I'd look at either the regular 3.2 4WD model, or go Fortuner..

[Disting]

Yes they are being made. IMHO already has one. Mine will be ready early next month. Most of the T+ will be going to Australia I expect.

[IMHO]

Yes they are being made. IMHO already has one. Mine will be ready early next month. Most of the T+ will be going to Australia I expect.

The Australian market models are slightly different than TH models: they get adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assist and GPS, which are not in the Thai spec - so it may not be a matter of "make them then decide where they go".... or, it may be - if the Thai spec has all the same hardware and these 3 features are just software differences.

My guess is, the T+ just gets the most bookings - many who are buying it are buying is because it's the best in class - thus, buying the top model.

[luwahn]

Yes they are being made. IMHO already has one. Mine will be ready early next month. Most of the T+ will be going to Australia I expect.

The Australian market models are slightly different than TH models: they get adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assist and GPS, which are not in the Thai spec - so it may not be a matter of "make them then decide where they go".... or, it may be - if the Thai spec has all the same hardware and these 3 features are just software differences.

My guess is, the T+ just gets the most bookings - many who are buying it are buying is because it's the best in class - thus, buying the top model.

Will the color 'cowhide'(?) be the only upholstery color for the EV Titanium+?

What is your best guesstimate for when Ford dealers will begin to have 3.2L EVs available for test drives?

[IMHO]

Yes they are being made. IMHO already has one. Mine will be ready early next month. Most of the T+ will be going to Australia I expect.

The Australian market models are slightly different than TH models: they get adaptive cruise control, lane keeping assist and GPS, which are not in the Thai spec - so it may not be a matter of "make them then decide where they go".... or, it may be - if the Thai spec has all the same hardware and these 3 features are just software differences.

My guess is, the T+ just gets the most bookings - many who are buying it are buying is because it's the best in class - thus, buying the top model.

Will the color 'cowhide'(?) be the only upholstery color for the EV Titanium+?

What is your best guesstimate for when Ford dealers will begin to have 3.2L EVs available for test drives?

In the current lineup, there is only the cream colored interior option. Note that the 3.2L Titanium+ has a dark grey roof lining though - the 2.2L has a cream colored roof lining. How long this remains is yet to be seen - it's quite feasible other (lower) grades might be introduced (like in the Philippines), along with different color options, in a minor change - but don't hold your breath. AFAIK, Australian market versions will only have black/dark gray interiors.

If your dealer doesn't have the 3.2L available for test drive now, it's unlikely they will get one until next year sometime - the 3.2L models have the biggest bookings backlog, according to sources.

[DavisH]

If one was buying the 2.2 everest and wanted to exchange the 18" wheels / tires with the 20" of the top model, how much extra would one pay?

[AlexRRR]

Anything with a ford badge would be so so, I rented a Pajero for a day and it was horrible to drive, buy a Toyota Fortuna you get everything including good resale.

[Disting]

Strange logic. Don't buy a Ford because a Pajero was horrible. Interesting

[casualbiker]

If one was buying the 2.2 everest and wanted to exchange the 18" wheels / tires with the 20" of the top model, how much extra would one pay?

22 baht 62½ satang for each wheel. Sure!

[IMHO]

If one was buying the 2.2 everest and wanted to exchange the 18" wheels / tires with the 20" of the top model, how much extra would one pay?

Ask me after I buy 22's for mine

[Don Mega]

If one was buying the 2.2 everest and wanted to exchange the 18" wheels / tires with the 20" of the top model, how much extra would one pay?

The OE 20's are a bit ordinary and will cost about 12k each.... be better off selecting an aftermarket rim and trading the 18's on them..... unless ofcourse you actually find the OE rims tasteful and really do want them.

[luwahn]

With all its wheel-well space, I bet a set of 22's would really look sharp on the Everest!

Any knowledge about whether English language user manuals for the 2015 Everest will be available in a reasonable period of time as they have been for other Ford models?

[AlexRRR]

Strange logic. Don't buy a Ford because a Pajero was horrible. Interesting

You don't read well....I said ford are so so, that's short for just above junk, Pajero drove like a early 60's truck and was last years model, lousy resale too, I know a lot about fords had a few over the years current work ute is a ford tray I've spent move on that keeping it on the road in the past 3 years than my previous BMW and Toyota van over 10 years.

Even had a XR8 ford ute brand new.....under the 3 year warranty radiator, air con and steering box replaced .....traded it for a Toyota van apart from service and tyres the grand sum of $1000 spent on it for repairs over 10 years, I forgot about how unreliable ford was .....lured buy the tray and on dedicated gas....would have been more economical running a petrol jap ute.

[IMHO]

Strange logic. Don't buy a Ford because a Pajero was horrible. Interesting

You don't read well....I said ford are so so, that's short for just above junk, Pajero drove like a early 60's truck and was last years model, lousy resale too, I know a lot about fords had a few over the years current work ute is a ford tray I've spent move on that keeping it on the road in the past 3 years than my previous BMW and Toyota van over 10 years.

Even had a XR8 ford ute brand new.....under the 3 year warranty radiator, air con and steering box replaced .....traded it for a Toyota van apart from service and tyres the grand sum of $1000 spent on it for repairs over 10 years, I forgot about how unreliable ford was .....lured buy the tray and on dedicated gas....would have been more economical running a petrol jap ute.

Comparing the Aussie-made Falcon Ute to an Everest is a very long stretch - about the only thing they share in common is the blue oval badge.

If you think that a previous generation Fortuner is better to drive than it's competing Pajero Sport, you must have driven a faulty one - the PJS was a better handling and just a better sorted vehicle, IMHO. Admittedly, both of them are clearly a class below the new Everest though.

Anyways, I do hear you. I will never buy a Chev again ether - for similar reasons. Once bitten...

Edited September 8, 2015 by IMHO

[IMHO]

With all its wheel-well space, I bet a set of 22's would really look sharp on the Everest!

Any knowledge about whether English language user manuals for the 2015 Everest will be available in a reasonable period of time as they have been for other Ford models?

No idea about English manuals, have no need so have never asked.

Yeah, 22's could look nice.... it's just hard finding the right ones.. it seems you only ave two options in this size: ridiculous 'dub' style bling bling wheels, or tired, decade+ old pickup wheel designs. If you move up to 24" there's some more interesting/tasteful/stylish designs, but then they look silly because of how small the rubber ends up. The search continues....

Edited September 8, 2015 by IMHO

[Ace of Pop]

Have You followed up my U.S. Suggestion imho.?..

[IMHO]

Have You followed up my U.S. Suggestion imho.?..

Yep, had a look - saw a couple I quite like, but both have the wrong ET and would put the wheels outside of the wheel arches

The Everest OEM 20's have an ET of +55, which is quite inset for an 8.5" wheel.

http://www.wheel-size.com/calc/?wheel1=265-50-20X8.5ET55&wheel2=265-40-22X9.5ET25&fcl=25mm&wcl=100mm&scl=50mm

Edited September 9, 2015 by IMHO

[DavisH]

If one was buying the 2.2 everest and wanted to exchange the 18" wheels / tires with the 20" of the top model, how much extra would one pay?

The OE 20's are a bit ordinary and will cost about 12k each.... be better off selecting an aftermarket rim and trading the 18's on them..... unless ofcourse you actually find the OE rims tasteful and really do want them.

Thanks, that's 12K per wheel, but what if you told ford you wanted your 2.2 delivered with the 20" wheels instead. Is that not possible? I don't mind the look for the 20" OEM wheels, but yes, there are nicer aftermarket wheels out there. Personally I like the look of the black offroad style wheels with AT tyres. They would suit the ranger but not sure how they would look on the everest.

[IMHO]

If one was buying the 2.2 everest and wanted to exchange the 18" wheels / tires with the 20" of the top model, how much extra would one pay?

The OE 20's are a bit ordinary and will cost about 12k each.... be better off selecting an aftermarket rim and trading the 18's on them..... unless ofcourse you actually find the OE rims tasteful and really do want them.

Thanks, that's 12K per wheel, but what if you told ford you wanted your 2.2 delivered with the 20" wheels instead. Is that not possible? I don't mind the look for the 20" OEM wheels, but yes, there are nicer aftermarket wheels out there. Personally I like the look of the black offroad style wheels with AT tyres. They would suit the ranger but not sure how they would look on the everest.

The 20's are sold as accessories:

http://www.ford.co.th/suvs/all-new-everest/accessories#

You won't be able to order from the factory with the 20's, but you will be able to negotiate with the dealer to get them.

[fullcave]

With all its wheel-well space, I bet a set of 22's would really look sharp on the Everest!

Any knowledge about whether English language user manuals for the 2015 Everest will be available in a reasonable period of time as they have been for other Ford models?

No idea about English manuals, have no need so have never asked.

Yeah, 22's could look nice.... it's just hard finding the right ones.. it seems you only ave two options in this size: ridiculous 'dub' style bling bling wheels, or tired, decade+ old pickup wheel designs. If you move up to 24" there's some more interesting/tasteful/stylish designs, but then they look silly because of how small the rubber ends up. The search continues....

Will most certainly stiffen up the ride just a bit. Should maybe pick up a kidney belt while you are at it...

[IMHO]

With all its wheel-well space, I bet a set of 22's would really look sharp on the Everest!

Any knowledge about whether English language user manuals for the 2015 Everest will be available in a reasonable period of time as they have been for other Ford models?

No idea about English manuals, have no need so have never asked.

Yeah, 22's could look nice.... it's just hard finding the right ones.. it seems you only ave two options in this size: ridiculous 'dub' style bling bling wheels, or tired, decade+ old pickup wheel designs. If you move up to 24" there's some more interesting/tasteful/stylish designs, but then they look silly because of how small the rubber ends up. The search continues....

Will most certainly stiffen up the ride just a bit. Should maybe pick up a kidney belt while you are at it...

22's should be just fine - it's only 20% less sidewall height over OEM - and only 14% less sidewall if going up to 285/40's (which are only 1.9% bigger overall). Both of these numbers are pretty easy to offset with decent tires, vs the OEM economy focussed tires (Goodyear EfficientGrip SUV).

Upsizing rims for wheels where the standard overall diameter is > 77cm to start off with is nowhere near as dramatic on comfort as it is on smaller cars / overall wheel diameters.

Edited September 9, 2015 by IMHO