AP Analysis: Is Israel democratic? Not so clear

[pbay]

Yes. Israel is a democracy but as Prayut so frequently points out, there is no "one size fits all for democracy."

All democratic societies are not created equal. That is not to say democracy in Israel couldn't be improved.

Of course, but that could be said of every democracy on the planet and is said. Trying to single Israel out as not being democratic is nothing but a LIE used by people who want to destroy it.

One thing that is certain, a future Palestinian state would be Judenrein and the few remaining Christians would be driven out, as demonstrated by their decline in. Bethlehem and Nazareth. In other words it would be an apartheid state and hardly a democracy either, if the Palestinian election record is any guide.

Where do you get this fantasy from that Christians have been driven out of Bethlehem and Nazareth by Muslims? You are wrong, there was an actual survey conducted of Christians and why they left their homes in the west bank and they stated that the Israeli occupation was the reason.When the Israelis are abusing Palestinians under their occupation they do not differentiate between Muslim and Christian ones, they treat them all the same, as in badly.

"Second, contrary to current popular opinion in this country, Christians are not leaving Israel/Palestine because of their Muslim neighbors. After all, for 1,500 years the Christian population has been relatively stable despite living in a largely Muslim culture. Even today, many of elected Palestinian leaders are Christians who enjoy popularity and a wide base of support.

The number one reason given by Christians as to why they are leaving is because of the economic conditions created by the Israeli occupation. In fact, according to a statement put out by the heads of all the churches in Jerusalem, "Occupation remains the root cause of the conflict and of the continued suffering in the Holy Land.

Since the State of Israel first occupied Palestinian lands (partially in 1948, taking the rest in 1967) Christian residents have been leaving. As cited at the Middle East Synod, "the lack of freedom of movement, the wall of separation and the military checkpoints, the political prisoners, the demolition of homes, the disturbance of socioeconomic life and the thousands of refugees" have created such harsh conditions that many who can afford to leave have emigrated. Christians, who are generally well-educated and have connections in the West, have departed in great numbers."

http://www.wrmea.org/2011-march/christianity-and-the-middle-east-the-vanishing-church-in-the-holy-land.html

So your claims are BS fantasy.

Edited March 25, 2015 by pbay

[pbay]

They have Schools. They have Hospitals, They have nutrition, Education is coverd by the schools. They even have safety. The IDF protect Abbas and his cohorts from Hamas terroists. They even have their own police.

Would you be saying the same thing about occupied France during World War 2? I mean would you be backing up the Nazis? Oh the French have schools,hospitals and nutrition, education and safety because the Nazis are protecting them and they even have their own police force, yes everything is great in occupied Palestine, nothing to see here..LMAO.. Your argument is so much BS it is officially laughable.

[pbay]

Abbas is Jordanian so what is he doing in the west bank

Where do you get this fantasy from? Zionist BS.com? Abbas was born in Palestine, Safed,Galilee region, which today is in Israel but when he was born in 1935 was part of Mandatory Palestine, so no not in Jordan. Another one of your fantasies based in fiction.

[pbay]

Though I guess neither you nor the yet to be named Palestinians had any problem when Jordan occupied the West Bank between 1948 and 1967.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land, knock down their houses, imprison and murder their children, steal their water resources and other resources and generally treat the Palestinians like prisoners in their own land. Of course that is exactly what the Israelis do to the Palestinians as attested to by the UN and every major Human Rights org in the world including Israeli ones.So no there was no problem when the Jordanians occupied the West Bank because they treated people with respect unlike the Israelis.

Edited March 25, 2015 by pbay

[dexterm]

Though I guess neither you nor the yet to be named Palestinians had any problem when Jordan occupied the West Bank between 1948 and 1967.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land, knock down their houses, imprison and murder their children, steal their water resources and other resources and generally treat the Palestinians like prisoners in their own land. Of course that is exactly what the Israelis do to the Palestinians as attested to by the UN and every major Human Rights org in the world including Israeli ones.So no there was no problem when the Jordanians occupied the West Bank because they treated people with respect unlike the Israelis.

Jordan has renounced all claim to the West Bank in 1988 when the PLO announced Palestinian Declaration of Independence, which 130 UN member states have so far recognized . Perhaps Israel should do the same, allowing Palestinians the right to self determination.

[Neurath]

And if my uncle had tits he'd be my auntie. Wake me up if and when Israel annexes the West Bank. Though I guess neither you nor the yet to be named Palestinians had any problem when Jordan occupied the West Bank between 1948 and 1967.

No need to annex anything - just build settlements and then kick the Palestinians out. Or kick the Palestinians out and then build settlements - whatever takes your fancy really. Israel's claim to ownership of West Bank through the material fact of it's sponsoring the building of settlements in it, is no better justified than Saddam Hussein's claim to Kuwait.

[ggold]

Though I guess neither you nor the yet to be named Palestinians had any problem when Jordan occupied the West Bank between 1948 and 1967.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land, knock down their houses, imprison and murder their children, steal their water resources and other resources and generally treat the Palestinians like prisoners in their own land. Of course that is exactly what the Israelis do to the Palestinians as attested to by the UN and every major Human Rights org in the world including Israeli ones.So no there was no problem when the Jordanians occupied the West Bank because they treated people with respect unlike the Israelis.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land.

They annexed the west bank (1948) against the wishes of the Arab League. They only ceded control over the west bank when Israel defeated Jordan in the six day war.

Otherwise Jordan would still control the west bank and there still wouldn't be a palestinian state.

[ggold]

Though I guess neither you nor the yet to be named Palestinians had any problem when Jordan occupied the West Bank between 1948 and 1967.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land, knock down their houses, imprison and murder their children, steal their water resources and other resources and generally treat the Palestinians like prisoners in their own land. Of course that is exactly what the Israelis do to the Palestinians as attested to by the UN and every major Human Rights org in the world including Israeli ones.So no there was no problem when the Jordanians occupied the West Bank because they treated people with respect unlike the Israelis.

Jordan has renounced all claim to the West Bank in 1988 when the PLO announced Palestinian Declaration of Independence, which 130 UN member states have so far recognized . Perhaps Israel should do the same, allowing Palestinians the right to self determination.

Just like in Gaza, Yes proof if ever the arabs want peace.

[ggold]

Abbas is Jordanian so what is he doing in the west bank

Where do you get this fantasy from? Zionist BS.com? Abbas was born in Palestine, Safed,Galilee region, which today is in Israel but when he was born in 1935 was part of Mandatory Palestine, so no not in Jordan. Another one of your fantasies based in fiction.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Abbas-Dahlan-take-out-Jordanian-citizenship.

The Palestinian leaders were given Jordanian citizenship despite the fact that the authorities in Amman have been revoking the Jordanian citizenship of thousands of Palestinians.

Atef Tarawneh, deputy speaker of the Jordanian parliament, denounced the decision to revoke the citizenship of thousands of Jordanians of Palestinian origin.

Even the Jordanians don't want them!

Edited March 25, 2015 by ggold

[pbay]

Though I guess neither you nor the yet to be named Palestinians had any problem when Jordan occupied the West Bank between 1948 and 1967.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land, knock down their houses, imprison and murder their children, steal their water resources and other resources and generally treat the Palestinians like prisoners in their own land. Of course that is exactly what the Israelis do to the Palestinians as attested to by the UN and every major Human Rights org in the world including Israeli ones.So no there was no problem when the Jordanians occupied the West Bank because they treated people with respect unlike the Israelis.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land.

They annexed the west bank (1948) against the wishes of the Arab League. They only ceded control over the west bank when Israel defeated Jordan in the six day war.

Otherwise Jordan would still control the west bank and there still wouldn't be a palestinian state.

No they did not steal Palestinian land and nothing in your post changes that absolute fact. Israel has been stealing Palestinian land for the last 70 years,even Israelis historians agree on that fact as well. You obviously have no argument against what I posted whatsoever.

[pbay]

Abbas is Jordanian so what is he doing in the west bank

Where do you get this fantasy from? Zionist BS.com? Abbas was born in Palestine, Safed,Galilee region, which today is in Israel but when he was born in 1935 was part of Mandatory Palestine, so no not in Jordan. Another one of your fantasies based in fiction.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Abbas-Dahlan-take-out-Jordanian-citizenship.

The Palestinian leaders were given Jordanian citizenship despite the fact that the authorities in Amman have been revoking the Jordanian citizenship of thousands of Palestinians.

Atef Tarawneh, deputy speaker of the Jordanian parliament, denounced the decision to revoke the citizenship of thousands of Jordanians of Palestinian origin.

Even the Jordanians don't want them!

JPost??? Really? Funny how that story is only carried in Israeli rightwing newspapers?? and some nutter websites.. but you believe it.

Edited March 25, 2015 by pbay

[pbay]

Though I guess neither you nor the yet to be named Palestinians had any problem when Jordan occupied the West Bank between 1948 and 1967.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land, knock down their houses, imprison and murder their children, steal their water resources and other resources and generally treat the Palestinians like prisoners in their own land. Of course that is exactly what the Israelis do to the Palestinians as attested to by the UN and every major Human Rights org in the world including Israeli ones.So no there was no problem when the Jordanians occupied the West Bank because they treated people with respect unlike the Israelis.

Jordan has renounced all claim to the West Bank in 1988 when the PLO announced Palestinian Declaration of Independence, which 130 UN member states have so far recognized . Perhaps Israel should do the same, allowing Palestinians the right to self determination.

Just like in Gaza, Yes proof if ever the arabs want peace.

Israel is still occupying Gaza according to the UN because Israel occupies Gazan airspace,borders and sea front. obviously. Only Israel claims it does not occupy Gaza and no other country believes it.

[pbay]

Right wing elements some bordering on fanatics have been allowed to push Israel's Jewishness at the expense of its democracy. They have become the norm over the last 10 years, because the US has allowed them to think their behavior is acceptable. Google Israeli settler violence to see examples.

At last the world is beginning to say enough.

Israel could have it both in a 2 state solution...democracy and its Jewish character.

If the rabid elements such as Lieberman, Bennett, and Feiglin prevail, democracy will be the casualty, and possibly the state of Israel itself.

I'm afraid if the peaceniks have their way the state of Israel will be the casualty too.

So..what gives?

I would go with the right-wingers any day...damned if you do damned if you don't.

How did that rightwing thing work out for South Africa then? Is it still there? I believe so. Like Israel is actually going to disappear, they have hundreds of nuclear missiles against what? Some guys with AK47's and home made rockets that cannot hit the side of a barn door at 10 feet. You are just playing the Israel is a victim card, it does not work. They have the most advanced military in the area, airforce, navy, army all supplied with top notch America state of the art weapons and you want us to believe they are some how going to disappear? Laughable.

[konying]

It's amazing how many people care and beat their chest for Palestinians , yet the aid is always short a few hundred million dollars every year.

All the Arabs in the area are there to defend pakestinians , yet none of the Arab countries give them citizenship or any rights besides keeping them in refugee camps.

Amazing how so many posters, mind you same ones are always here to pounce on anything anti Israel while claiming NOT to be anti semites, never seen to have a problem with totally useless and corrupt Palestinian leaders.

Israel build itself up from sand with no help from the neighbours , Palestinians have been fussing around for years blaming Jews for everything, while leaders got rich , Israel pulled out of Gaza yet Gazza still a dump .

Israel gave up a lot of control to PA to west bank only again nothing achieved and of course Jews to blame .

Israeli Arabs would never give up Israeli citizenship because Even with all the discrimination in Israel they have 100 times more rights and better life than any other arab state.

Anyhow, haters, carry on. Your whining is falling on death ears.

[BKKBobby]

It's amazing how many people care and beat their chest for Palestinians , yet the aid is always short a few hundred million dollars every year.

All the Arabs in the area are there to defend pakestinians , yet none of the Arab countries give them citizenship or any rights besides keeping them in refugee camps.

Amazing how so many posters, mind you same ones are always here to pounce on anything anti Israel while claiming NOT to be anti semites, never seen to have a problem with totally useless and corrupt Palestinian leaders.

Israel build itself up from sand with no help from the neighbours , Palestinians have been fussing around for years blaming Jews for everything, while leaders got rich , Israel pulled out of Gaza yet Gazza still a dump .

Israel gave up a lot of control to PA to west bank only again nothing achieved and of course Jews to blame .

Israeli Arabs would never give up Israeli citizenship because Even with all the discrimination in Israel they have 100 times more rights and better life than any other arab state.

Anyhow, haters, carry on. Your whining is falling on death ears.

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Israel prevents it from becoming anything but a dump. If Israel stops doing what UN labels as occupying Gaza then Gaza may one day flourish.

[Jingthing]

Abbas is Jordanian so what is he doing in the west bank

Where do you get this fantasy from? Zionist BS.com? Abbas was born in Palestine, Safed,Galilee region, which today is in Israel but when he was born in 1935 was part of Mandatory Palestine, so no not in Jordan. Another one of your fantasies based in fiction.

http://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/Abbas-Dahlan-take-out-Jordanian-citizenship.

The Palestinian leaders were given Jordanian citizenship despite the fact that the authorities in Amman have been revoking the Jordanian citizenship of thousands of Palestinians.

Atef Tarawneh, deputy speaker of the Jordanian parliament, denounced the decision to revoke the citizenship of thousands of Jordanians of Palestinian origin.

Even the Jordanians don't want them!

JPost??? Really? Funny how that story is only carried in Israeli rightwing newspapers?? and some nutter websites.. but you believe it.

The Jerusalem Post is a credible news source but apparently it's too Jewy for you. Big surprise that.

Here is the original source.

Do you think the Post made that up?

As you say ... LAUGHABLE.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/02/01/jordan-stop-withdrawing-nationality-palestinian-origin-citizens

[pbay]

JPost??? Really? Funny how that story is only carried in Israeli rightwing newspapers?? and some nutter websites.. but you believe it.

The Jerusalem Post is a credible news source but apparently it's too Jewy for you. Big surprise that.

Here is the original source.

Do you think the Post made that up?

As you say ... LAUGHABLE.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2010/02/01/jordan-stop-withdrawing-nationality-palestinian-origin-citizens

Credible? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.It's a rigthwing Israel rag that posts anti Palestinian stories everyday of the year. Got anymore jokes? Your link to HRW does not include anything about what was being discussed, in that Abbas has a Jordanian passport.The people reporting that are the rightwing Israeli newspapers and some nutter websites. Why don't you go away and find me a cedible source that also carries the same story. Anything, BBC, Guardian, CNN, NYT..carry on.

[konying]

It's amazing how many people care and beat their chest for Palestinians , yet the aid is always short a few hundred million dollars every year.

All the Arabs in the area are there to defend pakestinians , yet none of the Arab countries give them citizenship or any rights besides keeping them in refugee camps.

Amazing how so many posters, mind you same ones are always here to pounce on anything anti Israel while claiming NOT to be anti semites, never seen to have a problem with totally useless and corrupt Palestinian leaders.

Israel build itself up from sand with no help from the neighbours , Palestinians have been fussing around for years blaming Jews for everything, while leaders got rich , Israel pulled out of Gaza yet Gazza still a dump .

Israel gave up a lot of control to PA to west bank only again nothing achieved and of course Jews to blame .

Israeli Arabs would never give up Israeli citizenship because Even with all the discrimination in Israel they have 100 times more rights and better life than any other arab state.

Anyhow, haters, carry on. Your whining is falling on death ears.

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Israel prevents it from becoming anything but a dump. If Israel stops doing what UN labels as occupying Gaza then Gaza may one day flourish.

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Hamas spends all the money on rocket and tunnel making .

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Egypt sees Gaza leadership as terrorists .

Gaza will continue to be a dump because it always was a dump.

[pbay]

It's amazing how many people care and beat their chest for Palestinians , yet the aid is always short a few hundred million dollars every year.

All the Arabs in the area are there to defend pakestinians , yet none of the Arab countries give them citizenship or any rights besides keeping them in refugee camps.

Amazing how so many posters, mind you same ones are always here to pounce on anything anti Israel while claiming NOT to be anti semites, never seen to have a problem with totally useless and corrupt Palestinian leaders.

Israel build itself up from sand with no help from the neighbours , Palestinians have been fussing around for years blaming Jews for everything, while leaders got rich , Israel pulled out of Gaza yet Gazza still a dump .

Israel gave up a lot of control to PA to west bank only again nothing achieved and of course Jews to blame .

Israeli Arabs would never give up Israeli citizenship because Even with all the discrimination in Israel they have 100 times more rights and better life than any other arab state.

Anyhow, haters, carry on. Your whining is falling on death ears.

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Israel prevents it from becoming anything but a dump. If Israel stops doing what UN labels as occupying Gaza then Gaza may one day flourish.

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Hamas spends all the money on rocket and tunnel making .

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Egypt sees Gaza leadership as terrorists .

Gaza will continue to be a dump because it always was a dump.

More rubbish. First off Hamas does not spend all the money on rockets and tunnel making, they have social services in Gaza to fund. Not like they got a lot of money anyway because Israel blocks what comes in and what goes out therefore strangling the Gazan economy, most people there are on UN foodaid. You claim that Gaza was always a dump? Well that is not based in reality either as we know from the British surveys of Palestine that Gaza was a thriving economy before the state of Israel was founded. You might want to read that, then you could post from a position of knowledge.

Here you go:

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Books/Story831.html

[ScarpoFongness4U]

Israel has a parliament

it is set up very similar to the way Great Britain has its parliamentary systemall eligible voters get a chance to vote for their party

not all of the West Bank is occupied much of it is under direct PLO control with their army and police

the house not the election in the West Bank and Ramon Ayala because my boss knows he will lose and then he won't be able to steal from his own people anymore

[MAJIC]

Israel is a democracy for legal citizens of the country. Like most places, the enemy, don't get a vote.

So for the rest of the world,a selective democracy then!

[cdnvic]

Just a reminder, the report button is not an "I disagree with this" button. We are fully aware that some people selectively report posts only from people they disagree with while letting others with the same issues have a pass.

Stop fighting your battles with the report system or it will be you who loses their posting rights.

You all know who you are.

[Scott]

Numerous off-topic posts and replies have been removed along with posts violating Fair Use policy.

This is about Israel and Democracy.

Stay on topic, please.

[ggold]

Though I guess neither you nor the yet to be named Palestinians had any problem when Jordan occupied the West Bank between 1948 and 1967.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land, knock down their houses, imprison and murder their children, steal their water resources and other resources and generally treat the Palestinians like prisoners in their own land. Of course that is exactly what the Israelis do to the Palestinians as attested to by the UN and every major Human Rights org in the world including Israeli ones.So no there was no problem when the Jordanians occupied the West Bank because they treated people with respect unlike the Israelis.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land.

They annexed the west bank (1948) against the wishes of the Arab League. They only ceded control over the west bank when Israel defeated Jordan in the six day war.

Otherwise Jordan would still control the west bank and there still wouldn't be a palestinian state.

No they did not steal Palestinian land and nothing in your post changes that absolute fact. Israel has been stealing Palestinian land for the last 70 years,even Israelis historians agree on that fact as well. You obviously have no argument against what I posted whatsoever.

Total Rubbish. There was no Palestinian land. there never was until the British Mandate Which gave it to the Jewish people. That is an absolute fact. The Arabs have no claim to the land.

[BKKBobby]

Israel has a parliament

it is set up very similar to the way Great Britain has its parliamentary systemall eligible voters get a chance to vote for their party

not all of the West Bank is occupied much of it is under direct PLO control with their army and police

the house not the election in the West Bank and Ramon Ayala because my boss knows he will lose and then he won't be able to steal from his own people anymore

My friends older brother did aliyah and was going to do the military service and everything. Now he choose to live in a arab refugee camp in Jenin because he became appalled by seeing the treatment of the 'Palestinians. Hes know helping Palestinian arabs to fight for their human rights. Hes a public person in Sweden so I can mention his name. He is half polish jew, half Israeli jew.

Google: Jonathan Stanczak

Edited March 26, 2015 by BKKBobby

[Neurath]

If I wanted my own state in the lands previously under the British Mandate, I suppose I would go about it in pretty much the same way that the soon to be Israelis did. Shows that you can build a democratic state from inauspicious and very violent beginnings.

[ggold]

Though I guess neither you nor the yet to be named Palestinians had any problem when Jordan occupied the West Bank between 1948 and 1967.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land, knock down their houses, imprison and murder their children, steal their water resources and other resources and generally treat the Palestinians like prisoners in their own land. Of course that is exactly what the Israelis do to the Palestinians as attested to by the UN and every major Human Rights org in the world including Israeli ones.So no there was no problem when the Jordanians occupied the West Bank because they treated people with respect unlike the Israelis.

When the Jordanians occupied the West Bank, they did not steal Palestinian land.

They annexed the west bank (1948) against the wishes of the Arab League. They only ceded control over the west bank when Israel defeated Jordan in the six day war.

Otherwise Jordan would still control the west bank and there still wouldn't be a palestinian state.

No they did not steal Palestinian land and nothing in your post changes that absolute fact. Israel has been stealing Palestinian land for the last 70 years,even Israelis historians agree on that fact as well. You obviously have no argument against what I posted whatsoever.

Total rubbish. there was no Palestinian land. The British mandate gave the land to Israel. Jordan took the land for themselves. That is an absolute fact. Your the one with no argument.

[ggold]

It's amazing how many people care and beat their chest for Palestinians , yet the aid is always short a few hundred million dollars every year.

All the Arabs in the area are there to defend pakestinians , yet none of the Arab countries give them citizenship or any rights besides keeping them in refugee camps.

Amazing how so many posters, mind you same ones are always here to pounce on anything anti Israel while claiming NOT to be anti semites, never seen to have a problem with totally useless and corrupt Palestinian leaders.

Israel build itself up from sand with no help from the neighbours , Palestinians have been fussing around for years blaming Jews for everything, while leaders got rich , Israel pulled out of Gaza yet Gazza still a dump .

Israel gave up a lot of control to PA to west bank only again nothing achieved and of course Jews to blame .

Israeli Arabs would never give up Israeli citizenship because Even with all the discrimination in Israel they have 100 times more rights and better life than any other arab state.

Anyhow, haters, carry on. Your whining is falling on death ears.

They really don't care about the arabs either! it is just all about bashing Israel. The Arabs are the twig they use to beat the Jews with.

[ggold]

Israel has a parliament

it is set up very similar to the way Great Britain has its parliamentary systemall eligible voters get a chance to vote for their party

not all of the West Bank is occupied much of it is under direct PLO control with their army and police

the house not the election in the West Bank and Ramon Ayala because my boss knows he will lose and then he won't be able to steal from his own people anymore

My friends older brother did aliyah and was going to do the military service and everything. Now he choose to live in a arab refugee camp in Jenin because he became appalled by seeing the treatment of the 'Palestinians. Hes know helping Palestinian arabs to fight for their human rights. Hes a public person in Sweden so I can mention his name. He is half polish jew, half Israeli jew.

Google: Jonathan Stanczak

It would be interesting to see if you could find a Palestinian who, disagrees with the Arab methods and goes to Israel to help Israelis.

It shows that Israel is a democracy, Can you imagine an West Bank arab doing that and still being alive to talk about it. Other Arabs would have killed him long ago.

He is Half Polish half ISraeli? well no he is Polish with Israeli citizenship. He was not born in Israel. But I am sure your point was that he is a Jew! you had to say it twice Just to make sure people understood he is Jewish.

Edited March 26, 2015 by ggold

[ggold]

It's amazing how many people care and beat their chest for Palestinians , yet the aid is always short a few hundred million dollars every year.

All the Arabs in the area are there to defend pakestinians , yet none of the Arab countries give them citizenship or any rights besides keeping them in refugee camps.

Amazing how so many posters, mind you same ones are always here to pounce on anything anti Israel while claiming NOT to be anti semites, never seen to have a problem with totally useless and corrupt Palestinian leaders.

Israel build itself up from sand with no help from the neighbours , Palestinians have been fussing around for years blaming Jews for everything, while leaders got rich , Israel pulled out of Gaza yet Gazza still a dump .

Israel gave up a lot of control to PA to west bank only again nothing achieved and of course Jews to blame .

Israeli Arabs would never give up Israeli citizenship because Even with all the discrimination in Israel they have 100 times more rights and better life than any other arab state.

Anyhow, haters, carry on. Your whining is falling on death ears.

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Israel prevents it from becoming anything but a dump. If Israel stops doing what UN labels as occupying Gaza then Gaza may one day flourish.

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Hamas spends all the money on rocket and tunnel making .

Gaza will continue to be a dump because Egypt sees Gaza leadership as terrorists .

Gaza will continue to be a dump because it always was a dump.

More rubbish. First off Hamas does not spend all the money on rockets and tunnel making, they have social services in Gaza to fund. Not like they got a lot of money anyway because Israel blocks what comes in and what goes out therefore strangling the Gazan economy, most people there are on UN foodaid. You claim that Gaza was always a dump? Well that is not based in reality either as we know from the British surveys of Palestine that Gaza was a thriving economy before the state of Israel was founded. You might want to read that, then you could post from a position of knowledge.

Here you go:

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Books/Story831.html

So now who is using biased reports. Again more rubbish. These arguments have been used before here on TV and have been proven wrong. all you are doing is re-hashing the the lies.