Abhisit wants Anupong, Thawil to testify

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Abhisit wants Anupong, Thawil to testify
THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- DEMOCRAT PARTY leader Abhisit Vejjajiva yesterday petitioned the NACC (National Anti-Corruption Commission) to question two more witnesses with key roles in the deadly 2010 crackdown on protesters when he was prime minister.

The two are then-Army chief General Anupong Paochinda and then-National Security Council chief Thawil Pliansri.

Bandit Siriphan and Ramet Rattanachaweng, Abhisit's lawyers, brought along six boxes of records, photos, compact discs and defence statements to the NACC's office to rebut charges of malfeasance against their client.

They said the documents showed Abhisit had issued orders in line with the law. The order for security officials in the field clearly stated they must not resort to violence, but that could not be avoided because armed operatives mingled with the protesters, they said.

The lawyers contested the Criminal Court ruling that six |people killed at Pathum Wanaram Temple were shot by security |officers. They said they had |evidence to prove red shirts had seized bullets from state agencies to fire at security officials because the same type was also used against some soldiers.

Bandit said they had not made Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha a defence witness because he was a deputy Army chief at the time and his role might have overlapped with that of his superior Anupong.

Bandit rejected criticism that Abhisit was trying to seek support from powerful figures to help him with his legal case. If that were so, Abhisit would have asked Prayut, he said.

Anupong and Thawil were directly involved in the incident, he said.

The lawyers of former deputy prime minister Suthep Thaugsuban will also submit defence statements and supporting materials in the same case with the NACC in a few days, Bandit said.

-- The Nation 2015-03-25

[huanga]

May the "real truth" come out and just maybe it might be the first step to "real reconciliation".

[oneday]

"...They said they had |evidence to prove red shirts had seized bullets from state agencies to fire at security officials because the same type was also used against some soldiers..."

Seriously? I'd love to see that evidence. That's pretty devious if true, but they better have unequivocal evidence.

[Robby nz]

"...They said they had |evidence to prove red shirts had seized bullets from state agencies to fire at security officials because the same type was also used against some soldiers..."

Seriously? I'd love to see that evidence. That's pretty devious if true, but they better have unequivocal evidence.

Heck even I can show you that :

Seeing is believing.

There are plenty more photos where those came from, and there will be many more in the boxes of evidence handed over.

[mike324]

"...They said they had |evidence to prove red shirts had seized bullets from state agencies to fire at security officials because the same type was also used against some soldiers..."

Seriously? I'd love to see that evidence. That's pretty devious if true, but they better have unequivocal evidence.

Heck even I can show you that :

on red stage.jpg

Captured-weapons-on-displ-001.jpg

seized weapons.jpg

rifle taken from army.jpg

Seeing is believing.

There are plenty more photos where those came from, and there will be many more in the boxes of evidence handed over.

Not to mention, red shirt kept most of the rifles and they were never recovered. On the side note, I'm still waiting for Jatuporn to show proof of who burned down Central World, I remember he kept on talking about he has the evidence and he will release it, etc etc. Boy who cried wolf.

[smedly]

That's one sure way to shut the mouths of the redshirt apologists on this forum

A lot of weapons were stolen during raids on Thai army camps around the same time - the red terrorists had no shortage of weapons and no reluctance in using them - all sponsored by the great hero Thasksin pulling all the strings from a safe distance by the pool in Dubai

[Robby nz]

That's one sure way to shut the mouths of the redshirt apologists on this forum

A lot of weapons were stolen during raids on Thai army camps around the same time - the red terrorists had no shortage of weapons and no reluctance in using them - all sponsored by the great hero Thasksin pulling all the strings from a safe distance by the pool in Dubai

Also many other weapons stolen, like these ones being handed out from a raid on a police truck.

Look at the peaceful protesters with their hands out "Give one to me I want to shoot at the army"

How many of those who got a firearm actually knew how to use it, how to aim properly, how many shot their own people ?

Then there is this little lot proudly shown to the media, "Look what we have stolen"

[Pimay1]

That's one sure way to shut the mouths of the redshirt apologists on this forum

A lot of weapons were stolen during raids on Thai army camps around the same time - the red terrorists had no shortage of weapons and no reluctance in using them - all sponsored by the great hero Thasksin pulling all the strings from a safe distance by the pool in Dubai

Also many other weapons stolen, like these ones being handed out from a raid on a police truck.

Red-Shirt-protesters-loot-001.jpg

Look at the peaceful protesters with their hands out "Give one to me I want to shoot at the army"

How many of those who got a firearm actually knew how to use it, how to aim properly, how many shot their own people ?

Then there is this little lot proudly shown to the media, "Look what we have stolen"

stolen guns 2010.jpg

Quite indisputable and irrefutable.

[robblok]

That's one sure way to shut the mouths of the redshirt apologists on this forum

A lot of weapons were stolen during raids on Thai army camps around the same time - the red terrorists had no shortage of weapons and no reluctance in using them - all sponsored by the great hero Thasksin pulling all the strings from a safe distance by the pool in Dubai

Also many other weapons stolen, like these ones being handed out from a raid on a police truck.

Red-Shirt-protesters-loot-001.jpg

Look at the peaceful protesters with their hands out "Give one to me I want to shoot at the army"

How many of those who got a firearm actually knew how to use it, how to aim properly, how many shot their own people ?

Then there is this little lot proudly shown to the media, "Look what we have stolen"

stolen guns 2010.jpg

Quite indisputable and irrefutable.

Not a word from the guys who posted here they were not sure about the evidence... guess its hard to admit when your wrong.

[MW72]

I hope the police and soldiers who lost their weapons got the sack. Being Thailand I doubt it. It beggars belief that a bunch of thugs can raid an army base and steal weapons. How unprofessional are the Thai army? Someone on the inside perhaps?

[halloween]

I hope the police and soldiers who lost their weapons got the sack. Being Thailand I doubt it. It beggars belief that a bunch of thugs can raid an army base and steal weapons. How unprofessional are the Thai army? Someone on the inside perhaps?

Most(?) of those weapons were taken from soldiers trying to control red "peaceful protesters" and reluctant to use them, even if defence, against their fellow citizens. Some of these soldiers were then badly beaten. In one recorded instance, soldiers in a large truck elected not to force their way through protesters, were pulled from the truck and beaten, and one shot while lying on the ground.

Of course, this doesn't fit the claims of blood-crazed killers the RTA are supposed to be, or of 'peaceful protesters' involved in gang attacks and the use of assault rifles, M-79 grenades and RPGs.

BTW IMHO any protester aware of these attacks who did not remove themselves from the protest site is as guilty as those they shielded and supported.

Edited March 25, 2015 by halloween

[rixalex]

BTW IMHO any protester aware of these attacks who did not remove themselves from the protest site is as guilty as those they shielded and supported.

Quite... and the thing is, who would not have been aware? It's not as if things suddenly escalated out of control in 24 or 48 hours catching protesters unawares. Things had been progressively getting more dangerous for weeks, and the government had been pleading for as long for people to go home because what they were doing was illegal and because their safety could not be guaranteed.

Added to which, the black shirts were freely roaming around amongst the red shirts, and were heavily armed. Any protester who was genuinely an advocate of peaceful means, would have taken one look at them, and said, 'right, I'm not going to be a part of this any longer, because to stay, would be to make myself complicit in violent behaviour'.

[Robby nz]

I hope the police and soldiers who lost their weapons got the sack. Being Thailand I doubt it. It beggars belief that a bunch of thugs can raid an army base and steal weapons. How unprofessional are the Thai army? Someone on the inside perhaps?

Most(?) of those weapons were taken from soldiers trying to control red "peaceful protesters" and reluctant to use them, even if defence, against their fellow citizens. Some of these soldiers were then badly beaten. In one recorded instance, soldiers in a large truck elected not to force their way through protesters, were pulled from the truck and beaten, and one shot while lying on the ground.

Of course, this doesn't fit the claims of blood-crazed killers the RTA are supposed to be, or of 'peaceful protesters' involved in gang attacks and the use of assault rifles, M-79 grenades and RPGs.

BTW IMHO any protester aware of these attacks who did not remove themselves from the protest site is as guilty as those they shielded and supported.

That, which I already posted elsewhere, would be one of the soldiers who was pulled from the truck by the peaceful protesters :

[seajae]

isnt it strange that the news outlets for the world havent shown these pics or used them at all in these stories, have to really wonder just whose side they are on especially with the way they write their stories so that they favour thaksin, the ptp and the reds. Still waiting for our red brothers to come in and claim these are all photoshopped, cant have reds being terrorists now can we

[Robby nz]

BTW IMHO any protester aware of these attacks who did not remove themselves from the protest site is as guilty as those they shielded and supported.

Quite... and the thing is, who would not have been aware? It's not as if things suddenly escalated out of control in 24 or 48 hours catching protesters unawares. Things had been progressively getting more dangerous for weeks, and the government had been pleading for as long for people to go home because what they were doing was illegal and because their safety could not be guaranteed.

Added to which, the black shirts were freely roaming around amongst the red shirts, and were heavily armed. Any protester who was genuinely an advocate of peaceful means, would have taken one look at them, and said, 'right, I'm not going to be a part of this any longer, because to stay, would be to make myself complicit in violent behaviour'.

If I remember rightly there were many who wanted leave near the end but the red guards wouldn't let them go, they took their ID cards off them and told them if they left without them they would be thrown in jail.

I remember seeing an old man on TV crying while telling this to a reporter as he was getting on a free bus to be taken back home after being given food and a medical check.

You may remember that one of the leaders Veera Musikapong did walk out after the reversal of the decision to go home and accept early elections as proposed by Abhisit He understood what that reversal would mean and wanted no part in it.

[Pimay1]

I hope the police and soldiers who lost their weapons got the sack. Being Thailand I doubt it. It beggars belief that a bunch of thugs can raid an army base and steal weapons. How unprofessional are the Thai army? Someone on the inside perhaps?

Most(?) of those weapons were taken from soldiers trying to control red "peaceful protesters" and reluctant to use them, even if defence, against their fellow citizens. Some of these soldiers were then badly beaten. In one recorded instance, soldiers in a large truck elected not to force their way through protesters, were pulled from the truck and beaten, and one shot while lying on the ground.

Of course, this doesn't fit the claims of blood-crazed killers the RTA are supposed to be, or of 'peaceful protesters' involved in gang attacks and the use of assault rifles, M-79 grenades and RPGs.

BTW IMHO any protester aware of these attacks who did not remove themselves from the protest site is as guilty as those they shielded and supported.

That, which I already posted elsewhere, would be one of the soldiers who was pulled from the truck by the peaceful protesters :

peaceful protesters 2010.jpg

Then comes the celebration.

[aaacorp]

Ask the journalists who get shot from the army side...

[geriatrickid]

Then there is this little lot proudly shown to the media, "Look what we have stolen"

stolen guns 2010.jpg

No. The photo was to show what the police were using against the protestors. Nice try, but you are using the photo out of context.

[geriatrickid]

Then comes the celebration.

Red shirts beat soldier.jpg

what's up with the distortions. The photo clearly shows redshirts forming a protective circle around the injured soldier.

Yes, he was assaulted. However, the intervention shown here prevented further injury.

[Robby nz]

Then there is this little lot proudly shown to the media, "Look what we have stolen"

stolen guns 2010.jpg

No. The photo was to show what the police were using against the protestors. Nice try, but you are using the photo out of context.

Nice try Gerry

How did they get them if they didn't steal them ?

[Robby nz]

Ask the journalists who get shot from the army side...

Or the ones who got shot from the red side, like this one :

[rubl]

Ask the journalists who get shot from the army side...

Ask the Canadian reporter with a death wish and getting a grenade lobbed on him. Of course his own fault, who walks with the army when they're being targeted.

Edited March 25, 2015 by rubl

[rubl]

Then comes the celebration.

Red shirts beat soldier.jpg

what's up with the distortions. The photo clearly shows redshirts forming a protective circle around the injured soldier.

Yes, he was assaulted. However, the intervention shown here prevented further injury.

Absolutely. Clearly some red shirts saw the guy had enough to keep him in hospital for a while. Better move on to the next one.

[Chris Lawrence]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8684363.stm: Thailand PM Abhisit in pledge to end Bangkok protest

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/thailand-red-shirt-protest-din-daeng-violence-2010-5: Thai Army 'Live Fire' Slaughter Zone Caught First Hand By Foreign Journalist

http://www.hrw.org/node/90498: Thailand: Revoke ‘Live Fire Zones’ in Bangkok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Thai_military_crackdown: 2010 Thai military crackdown

Just a few articles that described some of the mayhem happening back then.

Abhisit and Suthep may end up as sacrificial lambs?

A 'live fire zone' means anyone seen in this area will be shot. No exceptions. The Human Rights Watch condemed this action.

[rubl]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8684363.stm: Thailand PM Abhisit in pledge to end Bangkok protest

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/thailand-red-shirt-protest-din-daeng-violence-2010-5: Thai Army 'Live Fire' Slaughter Zone Caught First Hand By Foreign Journalist

http://www.hrw.org/node/90498: Thailand: Revoke ‘Live Fire Zones’ in Bangkok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Thai_military_crackdown: 2010 Thai military crackdown

Just a few articles that described some of the mayhem happening back then.

Abhisit and Suthep may end up as sacrificial lambs?

A 'live fire zone' means anyone seen in this area will be shot. No exceptions. The Human Rights Watch condemed this action.

some condemned the need for life fire zones. It should have been totally unnecessary, but with the sneaky gunshots in the night and the larger number of small sois to make slipping in and out easy for terrorists, there wasn't much choice. Putting a cordon around the area and 'forcefully' evacuate the people living there? Just let the terrorists go?

The UDD leaders may end up as sacrificial lambs, outlived their usefulness, unable to get Thaksin their paymaster back with an amnesty?

[Chris Lawrence]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8684363.stm: Thailand PM Abhisit in pledge to end Bangkok protest

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/thailand-red-shirt-protest-din-daeng-violence-2010-5: Thai Army 'Live Fire' Slaughter Zone Caught First Hand By Foreign Journalist

http://www.hrw.org/node/90498: Thailand: Revoke ‘Live Fire Zones’ in Bangkok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Thai_military_crackdown: 2010 Thai military crackdown

Just a few articles that described some of the mayhem happening back then.

Abhisit and Suthep may end up as sacrificial lambs?

A 'live fire zone' means anyone seen in this area will be shot. No exceptions. The Human Rights Watch condemed this action.

some condemned the need for life fire zones. It should have been totally unnecessary, but with the sneaky gunshots in the night and the larger number of small sois to make slipping in and out easy for terrorists, there wasn't much choice. Putting a cordon around the area and 'forcefully' evacuate the people living there? Just let the terrorists go?

The UDD leaders may end up as sacrificial lambs, outlived their usefulness, unable to get Thaksin their paymaster back with an amnesty?

Yeah none of them should get away with it Rubi. They all need to be held account for the actions.

But then what if Mr T did return due to the amnestiy clause. Could he still have been tried for the killings? Or what about the truck load of muslims down south?

BTW it wasn't the amnestiy clause that shook up the opposition, it was the fact that Miss Y government was going to change the senate numbers which she found that she could.(Can't helpmyself can I)?

The state is there to protect everyone. When it <deleted>@ks up it needs to be examined why.

[rametindallas]

I hope the police and soldiers who lost their weapons got the sack. Being Thailand I doubt it. It beggars belief that a bunch of thugs can raid an army base and steal weapons. How unprofessional are the Thai army? Someone on the inside perhaps?

Most(?) of those weapons were taken from soldiers trying to control red "peaceful protesters" and reluctant to use them, even if defence, against their fellow citizens. Some of these soldiers were then badly beaten. In one recorded instance, soldiers in a large truck elected not to force their way through protesters, were pulled from the truck and beaten, and one shot while lying on the ground.

Of course, this doesn't fit the claims of blood-crazed killers the RTA are supposed to be, or of 'peaceful protesters' involved in gang attacks and the use of assault rifles, M-79 grenades and RPGs.

BTW IMHO any protester aware of these attacks who did not remove themselves from the protest site is as guilty as those they shielded and supported.

In one recorded instance, soldiers in a large truck elected not to force their way through protesters, were pulled from the truck and beaten, and one shot while lying on the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeD4Te-UgFE

Redshirt protester firing sawed-off M79 grenade launcher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqnXV2ltUlE

Snipers hidden in Red shirt protesters firing M79 to troops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLuffqnszIY

In any Western country, this protest would have NEVER been allowed for so long or to barricade at all. This was not a protest but an attempted 'soft coup' by Thaksin.

Abhisit should be blamed for not ending the protest sooner. The blame must also be shared by the Thaksin allied Royal Thai Police for not controlling the mobs. DSI chief Tarit, under Yingluck''s government, was a key player in the suppression of the protests and should be called to testify. I believe there are questions that could highly embarrass him.

Edited March 25, 2015 by rametindallas

[rametindallas]

isnt it strange that the news outlets for the world havent shown these pics or used them at all in these stories, have to really wonder just whose side they are on especially with the way they write their stories so that they favour thaksin, the ptp and the reds. Still waiting for our red brothers to come in and claim these are all photoshopped, cant have reds being terrorists now can we

The major news outlets are owned/controlled by the 'Globalists' who support Thaksin.

[rubl]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8684363.stm: Thailand PM Abhisit in pledge to end Bangkok protest

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/thailand-red-shirt-protest-din-daeng-violence-2010-5: Thai Army 'Live Fire' Slaughter Zone Caught First Hand By Foreign Journalist

http://www.hrw.org/node/90498: Thailand: Revoke ‘Live Fire Zones’ in Bangkok

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Thai_military_crackdown: 2010 Thai military crackdown

Just a few articles that described some of the mayhem happening back then.

Abhisit and Suthep may end up as sacrificial lambs?

A 'live fire zone' means anyone seen in this area will be shot. No exceptions. The Human Rights Watch condemed this action.

some condemned the need for life fire zones. It should have been totally unnecessary, but with the sneaky gunshots in the night and the larger number of small sois to make slipping in and out easy for terrorists, there wasn't much choice. Putting a cordon around the area and 'forcefully' evacuate the people living there? Just let the terrorists go?

The UDD leaders may end up as sacrificial lambs, outlived their usefulness, unable to get Thaksin their paymaster back with an amnesty?

Yeah none of them should get away with it Rubi. They all need to be held account for the actions.

But then what if Mr T did return due to the amnestiy clause. Could he still have been tried for the killings? Or what about the truck load of muslims down south?

BTW it wasn't the amnestiy clause that shook up the opposition, it was the fact that Miss Y government was going to change the senate numbers which she found that she could.(Can't helpmyself can I)?

The state is there to protect everyone. When it <deleted>@ks up it needs to be examined why.

BTW is was the Blanket Amnesty Bill which was finally pushed through parliament with two readings and two votes in slightly more than 24 hours.

2013-10-30

"Four members of Thailand's opposition have resigned their positions to enable them to lead street protests against a proposed amnesty bill."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24723316

2013-11-05

"Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has appealed for public understanding over a controversial political amnesty bill which has sparked street protests."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24802596

2013-11-07

"For the past three years there has been little appetite for confrontation. Efforts by hard-line royalists to rally demonstrations against the government of Mr Thaksin's sister, Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, went nowhere.

All that changed last month when Mr Thaksin's party, Pheu Thai, suddenly expanded a modest amnesty proposal, which initially covered only ordinary people charged for involvement in past protests, to a sweeping absolution for all convictions related to political conflicts dating back to 2004."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-24846792

2013-11-09

"Opposition to the controversial amnesty bill has expanded beyond Thailand's borders, with Thai expatriates and students in several countries also staging their own protests.

The sound of whistles seems to be echoing around the world as Thais in a number of countries gather to express their disagreement about the bill. "

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Thai-protests-against-amnesty-bill-spread-to-other-30219115.html

So, there is no amnesty for the 2010 events, that's one reason why you and others are free to come with whatever stuff you think will help in getting the 'right' people charged and convicted, as long as it isn't Thaksin that is it would seem.

[Thai at Heart]

The order for security officials in the field clearly stated they must not resort to violence, but that could not be avoided because armed operatives mingled with the protesters, they said.

Well, once again, the debate about whether the army followed the rules of engagement is the issue. How come there is video of unarmed protestors clearly being pinned down behind barricades and being shot at?

Basically, the army interpreted the orders as they saw fit.