Online 90 day reporting available from April 1st

[Tanoshi]

9 minutes ago, Solinvictus said:

Frankly, it's ridiculous for them not to have the website smoothly up and running. Readily available for the thousands of people who need it that have the decency to go about it the right way.

Frankly, they don't care how much inconvenience it causes, or whether you end up having to go in person.

Same for Thais, they get the run around..... mai pen rai!

 

If you expect efficiency and consistency, your in the wrong Country. 

[Tanoshi]

16 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

I often wonder how many people might be out of a job if things got too techy?

You mean everything being achieved online, rather than the mounds of paperwork required.

Never happen - it would put the copy shops out of business.  

[Peter Denis]

25 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

...

I often wonder how many people might be out of a job if things got too techy?

You talking to me?

 

[Yorkie]

7 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

You mean everything being achieved online, rather than the mounds of paperwork required.

Never happen - it would put the copy shops out of business.  

 

I was under the impression that home scanners and printers were already doing that. I haven't used a copy shop for a decade. The only document copy that I don't have on file is the last page of my passbook and the bank provides that FOC (saving me going back home before heading toward immigration).

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

 

I was under the impression that home scanners and printers were already doing that. I haven't used a copy shop for a decade. The only document copy that I don't have on file is the last page of my passbook and the bank provides that FOC (saving me going back home before heading toward immigration).

Home scanners and printers is a rather technical term for some, who don't have a PC because they can't use one and think the 'Internet' is a train service. I think half the local expats call round for me to take their copies.

It certainly seems that way sometimes.

 

You wouldn't happen to be local, would you .......

[Advocate]

The IB 90-day online reporting is still defective today 20210220.

 

The IB is a disgrace to Thailand.

[Advocate]

On 2/18/2021 at 4:17 PM, ubonjoe said:

Did you read the 2 posts before yours?

It is temporary and may be working tomorrow. Try again tomorrow.

You can do the online report up to the day your report is due.

 

It is still not working 2 days later.

 

If there was any positive news the web site should have an announcement on the web site. It means they have no idea if and when it will be fixed.

 

Evidently the IB don't understand the principle of 'if it aint broke, don't fix it'.

[james.d]

I have just realized my 90 was due on the 15th Feb.

Is there any grace period if l go on Monday?

 

Thanks and regards 

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, Advocate said:

If there was any positive news the web site should have an announcement on the web site. It means they have no idea if and when it will be fixed.

It not a site that is down. It is immigration's extranet that is down. No site on it is working at this time.

[dave s]

Your connection is not private

 

Attackers might be trying to steal your information from
extranet.immigration.go.th (for example, passwords, messages, or
credit cards).

 

NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID

 

This server could not prove that it is extranet.immigration.go.th;
its security certificate expired in the last day. This may be caused
by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.
Your computer's clock is currently set to Sunday, February 21, 2021.
Does that look right? If not, you should correct your system's clock
and then refresh this page.
 

[Advocate]

3 minutes ago, dave s said:

Your connection is not private

 

Attackers might be trying to steal your information from
extranet.immigration.go.th (for example, passwords, messages, or
credit cards).

 

NET::ERR_CERT_DATE_INVALID

 

This server could not prove that it is extranet.immigration.go.th;
its security certificate expired in the last day. This may be caused
by a misconfiguration or an attacker intercepting your connection.
Your computer's clock is currently set to Sunday, February 21, 2021.
Does that look right? If not, you should correct your system's clock
and then refresh this page.
 

 

It still does not progress further if you bypass safety warnings and proceed to site.

[dave s]

from <a href="https://support.oracle.com/knowledge/Oracle%20Cloud/2315148_1.html">Error "Failure of Web Server bridge: ' No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent.' " When Accessing Products</a><br>:

 

 

 

Error "Failure of Web Server bridge: ' No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent.' " When Accessing Products (Doc ID 2315148.1)

Last updated on DECEMBER 03, 2020

APPLIES TO:

Primavera Unifier Cloud Service - Version 17.7 and later
Primavera P6 Enterprise Project Portfolio Management Cloud Service - Version 17.12.4.0 to 17.12.4.0 [Release 17.12]
Information in this document applies to any platform.

SYMPTOMS

When attempting to login to environments, the following error occurs.

ERROR

Failure of Web Server bridge: No backend server available for connection: timed out after 10 seconds or idempotent set to OFF or method not idempotent.

Attempt to connect to any connected environments.

 

[dave s]

21 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

It not a site that is down. It is immigration's extranet that is down. No site on it is working at this time.

 

"extranet" is the name of a machine, not the name of a network. The TM47 90 day reporting stuff, as well as the TM30 address registration software, are hosted on this machine. Immigration has bought a front end package for software development, that speaks to browsers about a particular application, holding the browser's hand where an old style single application program is broken into little pieces, each piece cooperating between code running in the browser and code running on the monster server machine. Separate machines that have auxiliary parts such as a database server, called a back end do some types of work for the front end server.This can spread the load, improve performance, and possibly reduce complexity. Users / browsers do not talk directly to the back end servers.

 

You can rent a virtual machine from Oracle or Amazon or Microsoft or whatever, and it looks like you have your own personal machine. You can buy more processing power on a cluster of cloud machines as your business grows, or cancel some of it (and the rent expense thereof) as your business tanks.

 

Over the years, people notice that some ways to do something are better than others. A company may deliberately choose the best way that anyone has found to do some task. Thus the notion of "best practices" develops. Your virtual machine may get sick and die, while other of the isolated from each other renters have no problem. You probably want to set up automated monitoring of the software you use on the server (or server cluster), that will at least notify you to come reboot your stuff if it notices that your applications have died (and your customers are getting angrier and angrier). Lots of stuff you can just grab off the shelf and set up, if your IT staff is competent to develop and maintain a computer system.

 

The immigration front end is not dead. It's creating the error message seen for days and days and days now. "Mommy! Mommy! Help! I can't get any response from the Oracle database on my back end machine, so I can't even try to do any work!"

 

"extranet.immigration.go.th" is not responding to a simple ping request. Maybe the whole machine is messed up, or maybe it has been deliberately configured not to respond to the ping protocol (a common occurrence). But a local area network does not generate "bridge" messages: something running on the extranet computer is alive enough to deliver to your browser a legitimate error message, rather than just hanging the connection and thus forcing your browser to tell you it timed out (like the ping client has done).

 

Immigration has other computers, some on different networks. The main web site, for example, is know both as "immigration.go.th" and as "www.immigration.go.th". It is in a different network place than the "extranet" machine. It was hung up and timing out earlier in the week, but now responds, although a "maintenance" image is currently overlaying its first screen.

 

 

 

C:\Users\staff>nslookup extranet.immigration.go.th
Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    extranet.immigration.go.th
Address:  118.174.40.243
C:\Users\staff>ping extranet.immigration.go.th
Pinging extranet.immigration.go.th [118.174.40.243] with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Ping statistics for 118.174.40.243:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
C:\Users\staff>nslookup immigration.go.th
Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    immigration.go.th
Addresses:  2606:4700:3036::ac43:bd05
          2606:4700:3037::6815:2bef
          172.67.189.5
          104.21.43.239
C:\Users\staff>nslookup www.immigration.go.th
Non-authoritative answer:
Name:    www.immigration.go.th
Addresses:  2606:4700:3037::6815:2bef
          2606:4700:3036::ac43:bd05
          172.67.189.5
          104.21.43.239
C:\Users\staff>ping www.immigration.go.th
Pinging www.immigration.go.th [2606:4700:3037::6815:2bef] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 2606:4700:3037::6815:2bef: time=26ms
Reply from 2606:4700:3037::6815:2bef: time=26ms
Reply from 2606:4700:3037::6815:2bef: time=26ms
Reply from 2606:4700:3037::6815:2bef: time=26ms
Ping statistics for 2606:4700:3037::6815:2bef:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 26ms, Maximum = 26ms, Average = 26ms
C:\Users\staff>
 

[Yorkie]

22 minutes ago, dave s said:

 

This can spread the load, improve performance, and possibly reduce complexity.
 

 

[dave s]

1 hour ago, Advocate said:

 

It still does not progress further if you bypass safety warnings and proceed to site.

If you run a web server, best practices say to set up authentication. When you install a web client or "browser", it usually comes "out of the box" with the information about the major "certificate authority" companies. Then the technicians who maintain web servers buy a certificate (or more commonly, rent one for a year at a time) for the server from one of the big companies, and install it in a certain place on the server. Your browser normally demands this certificate at the start of talking to a server, and checks whether it has been validly made by one of the big authentication companies (cha-ching! for a price, of course), before it will work with the server. You can be a "cheap charlie" and not buy a certificate, but then not many browsers will want to talk to your server. When the annual lease is about to expire, the big company starts hassling the server administrator with e-mails about sending more money. If you don't pay up, you don't get a new certificate valid for another year. The design of the certificate stuff tries to make it so difficult that only the big companies, not hackers, can make certificates. You just buy them.. This is a trivial task, requiring little brain power. But, we are in Thailand.

 

Didn't this same nonsense just happen a little while ago? "Agents" for the RTP constantly extort enough to buy BMWs, but immigration cannot cough up  few bucks for a necessary security item?

 

Come to Thailand and spend money!!! You might remember that one of T.A.T.'s fantasies about "luring" rich, "well heeled", high spending tourists, in spite of the Covid-19 pandemic, was its "safe and secure Thailand" slogan. Yes, your browser will let you bypass its warning and proceed. But it's usually a bad idea. You trust T.A.T. so much, that you feel protected when they wrap a "safe and secure Thailand" piece of toilet paper around the toilet in the hotel room. And now, you're going to similarly trust immigration, no matter what <deleted> is in their server toilet. Up to you, I guess. This is Thailand.

 

 

 

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[JetsetBkk]

23 hours ago, james.d said:

I have just realized my 90 was due on the 15th Feb.

Is there any grace period if l go on Monday?

 

Thanks and regards 

 

Reporting in person, you used to have 7 days grace. I haven't heard that that has changed. You should be OK. Please let us know either way.

[dave s]

OK, I found the TVF posting from last year, that I was remembering. Immigration let their security certificate expire on November 22 last year, just like now.They finally renewed it a couple days later. According to Excel, exactly 90 days after November 22 is yesterday, when Advocate and others started noticing the security error messages. Apparently, back then they only renewed it quarterly, rather than for a full year. So they are saving money. B29.08, to be exact, according to the xe.com web site. How many Chinese submarines will that buy? How many Smart BMWs, remember them?

 

Old western joke:

    "Is that a real diamond ring?"

    "If not, I've been cheated out of 29 cents."

 

If they are paying 90 days at a time, maybe they do not expect to exist after May 21. Will they have voided all the immigration laws by then, and have no need of enforcement? Or will they have deported every single foreigner by then? Or ..... ?

 

So, thanks to Thailand's advanced technology, you now will have a choice of why you can't get things done. If they buy another dollar's worth of security certificate, the (in)security error messages will go away, but you will still not be able to do TM30 and TM47 reporting because the back end server will still be dead. Whereas, if they reboot against the "bridge" problem in the server cluster, you will still get the security certificate hassle.

 

[orlandian]

Lets encrypt certificates are free - you can setup the server to renew automatically 

 

can't believe that the whole reporting system is down for few days now 

[Advocate]

90-day online reporting still not working 20220222 09:30 AM.

[mtls2005]

6 minutes ago, Advocate said:

90-day online reporting still not working 20220222 09:30 AM.

 

Might as well just post when it's back up?

 

TM30 down too.

[WhatsNext]

Thanks for this topic saved me downloading 6 browsers and yelling cursing words at thai immigration for half an hour. Still offline, they can't do anything right in this joke of a country*

 

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[NE1]

Only 6 years on and still having trouble ,

let's face it , it is not of great importance to Immi. if it works or not .

 

[ubonjoe]

1 hour ago, NE1 said:

Only 6 years on and still having trouble ,

let's face it , it is not of great importance to Immi. if it works or not .

 

A fews year ago immigration took down the extranet for months due to security concerns after some attacks on servers here.

I think hotels and ect are probably complaining about it louder than expats are since they have to do the TM30 reports and normally do them online and cannot do them when the extranet is down.

[Yorkie]

I generally plan on submitting my on-line report some 10 days in advance of the actual reporting date (used to be eight) because of this, not unusual, occurance.

 

This time I submitted the report for a non-computer literate mate seven days before the due date. If the site is not back in order by Wednesday, he will have to report in person.

 

[Edit: the application was submitted in full but was not notified as "approved" before the site went down]

 

[greg71]

Hello , as we all know the online portal isnt working , today was the last day for myself to do the latest 90 day report and thus cannot be done . So if im correct its the MTT office i must attend and what docs would i need , also would making a online appointment be advantgeous or just a walk in ? Regards 

[ubonjoe]

27 minutes ago, greg71 said:

So if im correct its the MTT office i must attend and what docs would i need , also would making a online appointment be advantgeous or just a walk in ?

You would need your passport and maybe a completed TM47 form.

A appointment would same time. Site here: http://203.151.166.132/immigrant_queue/booking/

[foreverlomsak]

3 hours ago, Yorkie said:

I generally plan on submitting my on-line report some 10 days in advance of the actual reporting date (used to be eight) because of this, not unusual, occurance.

 

This time I submitted the report for a non-computer literate mate seven days before the due date. If the site is not back in order by Wednesday, he will have to report in person.

 

[Edit: the application was submitted in full but was not notified as "approved" before the site went down]

 

Ditto, but I did receive the e-mail notification a.m. 18th (Thursday) saying approved for what that's worth, cannot get in to get the approval slip.

Everybody sing along now

"Hey ho, hey ho, it's off to immigration we go".

 

In the morning if it's not fixed.

[foreverlomsak]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

You would need your passport and maybe a completed TM47 form.

I'm taking a copy of the "Pending" page, which I printed on submission and a copy of the approval e-mail, hopefully that's all they'll need, along with the previous TM47 receipt and my passport.

But in just case I'll take, but not handover until asked, a completed TM47 and a complete copy of passport pages, copy of TM6 (departure slip), the Yellow house book and a copy thereof (never done TM30 so can't take that).

Because some offices are starting to request proof of funds along with 90 day reports, I'm also going to take an updated (today) bank book and a copy thereof (extension due end April).

I'll post a follow-up of what they took.

[Solinvictus]

Jokes on who?

[Phulublub]

1 hour ago, foreverlomsak said:

Because some offices are starting to request proof of funds along with 90 day reports,

They are?  Or are you confusing the "requirement" to show evidence of maintaining 800K foer three months after new extension? 

 

If the latter, then it is nothing to do with your 90 day report which may, or may not, be concurrent. 

 

In my case, they are separate, but when I read the (Jomtien) paper, it tells me that I have to show evidence at an unspecified date at least three months after approval.  Since next year's extension application will be more than this required minimum, I think I will wait until then if I have no other reason to visit Immigration.

 

PH