Online 90 day reporting available from April 1st

[mtls2005]

Wonder if there will be a ceremony/unveiling tomorrow? Press coverage?

Or just a quiet flip of a switch?

And is the TM30 system covered by the 22 March date?

I wonder if everyone has been added into the "database" automagically? And accurately?

[ubonjoe]

7 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Wonder if there will be a ceremony/unveiling tomorrow? Press coverage?

Or just a quiet flip of a switch?

And is the TM30 system covered by the 22 March date?

I wonder if everyone has been added into the "database" automagically? And accurately?

I doubt there will anything more than restarting the extranet that all online reporting is on.

The announcement stating the 22nd mentions TM30 reporting.

[OJAS]

So their server has supposedly been down for "system maintenance". This is a task which normally takes both my UK and Thai banks, for example, a matter of hours to accomplish, not several weeks! 

[KeeTua]

2 hours ago, OJAS said:

So their server has supposedly been down for "system maintenance". This is a task which normally takes both my UK and Thai banks, for example, a matter of hours to accomplish, not several weeks! 

The system maintenance or upgrades by those banks probably take several weeks to accomplish also but the big difference is the work is performed on offline virtual machines and when the time comes, like late Saturday night, they bring the live system down long enough to bring the changed configuration online which can take a few hours and should happen without any big surprises.

[Advocate]

20210322 09:11 90-day reporting online still not working.

 

The IB fortune-teller got it wrong again.

[Orton Rd]

Yes still no go. Absolute disgrace, got as far as the log in button though, then no response

[jsnuk]

From IB website: "Notification of staying in the Kingdom over 90 days: ...

4. The notification must be made within 15 days before or after 7 days the period of 90 days expires."

 

This sounds like there's a 7-day grace period for reporting in person (without penalty) after the expiry date.

OR is it left unsaid that: "Sure, you can report up to a week late, but we're also going to fine you 2,000 Baht for being up to 7 days late."

 

I presume the former, but having been conned by these folks before -- can someone please clarify (from experience)?

 

Edited March 22, 2021 by jsnuk
clarity

[jsnuk]

22 minutes ago, Advocate said:

The TV IB-apologists will have to work overtime.

They still have until 23:59:59 on Monday to keep their word ;-)

[Advocate]

9 minutes ago, jsnuk said:

They still have until 23:59:59 on Monday to keep their word ????

 

No they don't.

 

When a commitment is made to have something available by a particular date it usually means from the opening of business on that date.

 

Anybody who believes IB personnel are working after 16:30 is delusional.

 

Liberate the IB shills from their bondage.

Edited March 22, 2021 by Advocate

[jsnuk]

7 minutes ago, Advocate said:

 

No they don't.

 

When a commitment is made to have something available by a particular date it usually means from the opening of business on that date.

 

Anybody who believes IB personnel are working after 16:30 is delusional.

 

Liberate the IB shills from their bondage.

I think you missed the cynicism in my post, so I'll try again.   Having something "available by opening of business" suggests that these noble IB workers -- who always go the extra mile to make the life of their farangs guests easy -- were toiling away late into Sunday evening to get the system ready on time ... as if that would actually happen in our lifetime. 

[ubonjoe]

31 minutes ago, jsnuk said:

I presume the former, but having been conned by these folks before -- can someone please clarify (from experience)?

You will not be fined it you do the report within 7 days after the report date that includes the report date in the count.

I have had many reports done after the report date without ever being fined for it.

[jsnuk]

3 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You will not be fined it you do the report within 7 days after the report date that includes the report date in the count.

I have had many reports done after the report date without ever being fined for it.

Many thanks for the clarification!  So, I can postpone my 500 km round trip to BKK for a few days ... and maybe get a reprieve on the several 100-long queues that have been reported at MTT in past days.

[cliveshep]

You got to love the way they operate here. Having posted TM47 recorded and signed for 14 days before expiry and got the screen shot for tracking showing it was delivered the following day I waited for the reply, and waited, and waited and.............you get the picture. 4 weeks after it expired still no reply and as I had to go in for my annual marriage extension a week or so later decided to go and ask at the same time - except it was no longer at CW. 

 

So helpful idiot on reception gave me a map and address and a QR code to scan for directions and told me to book an appointment at the new location to go ask for the receipt without which I couldn't ask for a new one later.

 

Amazingly I got an appointment the following day so we went in the car following the directions and eventually found the place. True as they say we were whisked to the front of the queue with our booking and all the bits of paper proving we sent it in and they sorted it out. Only slight hitch was the map led us to one location, the Immigration 1 Temporary Visa offices in Popular Road, and the booking was for somewhere MTT also in Popular Road - par for Thai efficiency of course - but the lady who saw us was a total star and said don't worry, next time come and ask for me again and I'll do it for you. 

 

So she ignored the booking cock-up, took all our papers and my passport and vanished for 5 minutes to reappear with a copy of the receipt.

 

All good except that next week I got to send it in again as it is 15 days before the (incorrect) expiry date. It would have been churlish to point out that the lady had used the delivery date plus 90 days instead of the expiry date plus 90 days, so uniquely I am sending in a 90 day report 30 days after getting the last one. Good game as Brucie used to say. (Only UK expats will grasp the significance of that!)

 

Hopefully if I send it in I'll get a receipt, the Immigration Website still says one can send to any Immigration Office and lists CW but I am thinking they have not got their act together so maybe the Popular road site that were so helpful would be a safer bet? Or maybe colour scan in hi-res and send it to say 3 or 4 different offices and see who comes back first - if any?

 

Complying with the rules is quite difficult when even the writers of the rules seem a bit incapable or incompetent to follow them!

[gunderhill]

48 minutes ago, cliveshep said:

You got to love the way they operate here. Having posted TM47 recorded and signed for 14 days before expiry and got the screen shot for tracking showing it was delivered the following day I waited for the reply, and waited, and waited and.............you get the picture. 4 weeks after it expired still no reply and as I had to go in for my annual marriage extension a week or so later decided to go and ask at the same time - except it was no longer at CW. 

 

So helpful idiot on reception gave me a map and address and a QR code to scan for directions and told me to book an appointment at the new location to go ask for the receipt without which I couldn't ask for a new one later.

 

Amazingly I got an appointment the following day so we went in the car following the directions and eventually found the place. True as they say we were whisked to the front of the queue with our booking and all the bits of paper proving we sent it in and they sorted it out. Only slight hitch was the map led us to one location, the Immigration 1 Temporary Visa offices in Popular Road, and the booking was for somewhere MTT also in Popular Road - par for Thai efficiency of course - but the lady who saw us was a total star and said don't worry, next time come and ask for me again and I'll do it for you. 

 

So she ignored the booking cock-up, took all our papers and my passport and vanished for 5 minutes to reappear with a copy of the receipt.

 

All good except that next week I got to send it in again as it is 15 days before the (incorrect) expiry date. It would have been churlish to point out that the lady had used the delivery date plus 90 days instead of the expiry date plus 90 days, so uniquely I am sending in a 90 day report 30 days after getting the last one. Good game as Brucie used to say. (Only UK expats will grasp the significance of that!)

 

Hopefully if I send it in I'll get a receipt, the Immigration Website still says one can send to any Immigration Office and lists CW but I am thinking they have not got their act together so maybe the Popular road site that were so helpful would be a safer bet? Or maybe colour scan in hi-res and send it to say 3 or 4 different offices and see who comes back first - if any?

 

Complying with the rules is quite difficult when even the writers of the rules seem a bit incapable or incompetent to follow them!

I  wouldnt  bank on anything at CW immigration  now, Wife  informs  me they are  being complete  <deleted> at the moment and reckon they are just cashing  in on the website  not working. Recent Japanese  client of  hers  doing TM30 had  signed up  online with my Wife helping her, everything went  fine, this  was a  year ago or so, now  immigration  say they have  no information on this Japanese woman even though Wife saves everything and  has printed  copies of everything to show them. She thinks they may simply have lost all the  info somewhere in their intranet <deleted>, but they still want to charge the woman 2000baht, the woman has gone to the Police to complain about it as she is  100% legal.  They sure know how to treat their customers victims.

[Pilotman]

So, the 22nd half over and still no online reporting.  Are they liars, incompetent, can't tell the time, don't have a calendar, what is it?  

[gunderhill]

Just now, Pilotman said:

So, the 22nd half over and still no online reporting.  Are they liars, incompetent, can't tell the time, don't have a calendar, what is it?  

I'm going for  incompetent with a  hint of couldn't give a $hit because they are a govt. dept. where time  has  no meaning and customer service is a dirty word. They should  get a new  motto "don't  like it you can leave, don't do it and we  will jail you"

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, Advocate said:

 

Anybody who believes IB personnel are working after 16:30 is delusional.

 

A few years ago we had an enterprising IO at the Surin (Kab Cheong) Office who arranged to be available at a Surin town restaurant one evening per week for Farangs to report their 90 days. She charged ฿ 100.00 each for this. Unfortunately, the greedy <deleted> who owned the restaurant stipulated that she receive 50% of the monies so it was soon discontinued.

[Advocate]

3 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

A few years ago we had an enterprising IO at the Surin (Kab Cheong) Office who arranged to be available at a Surin town restaurant one evening per week for Farangs to report their 90 days. She charged ฿ 100.00 each for this. Unfortunately, the greedy <deleted> who owned the restaurant stipulated that she receive 50% of the monies so it was soon discontinued.

 

Despite the fact it was helpful, it is corrupt on the grounds that money was charged and on the grounds that it was performed outside the premises of the IB.

[KeeTua]

53 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

So, the 22nd half over and still no online reporting.  Are they liars, incompetent, can't tell the time, don't have a calendar, what is it?  

Fact is they really don't need to be in any particular hurry since there are still two other methods to do the 90 day report, three methods if you count agents. I think their number one priority to have the site functional again would be to lessen the work load on their officers especially in the busy locations. At the bottom of the list of priorities would be making it functional for the ever complaining Farangs.

[Yorkie]

8 minutes ago, KeeTua said:

Fact is they really don't need to be in any particular hurry since there are still two other methods to do the 90 day report, three methods if you count agents.

 

Only one other method hereabouts (Isaan). Unless things have changed, reporting by post is not permitted by Surin Immigration and we don't have "agents".

[mokwit]

2 hours ago, cliveshep said:

all the bits of paper proving we sent

What were they? - I only have a Thai Post till receipt with a tracking number and using that nomber in Thai Post website it says it was delivered and "Natcha' was the recipient - but i sent it registered not 'signed for' so no signature confirmation.

 

Is what I have enough?

[mahtin]

Due date was the 15th, changed to the 22nd  ...next the 29th?

[Orton Rd]

44 minutes ago, mahtin said:

Due date was the 15th, changed to the 22nd  ...next the 29th?

 

April the first as originally would be my guess ????

[gunderhill]

28 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

 

April the first as originally would be my guess ????

And it did'nt  work then either, anyway they are getting some funny comments on facebook, one suggested   call 1111 to which the reply was you may as  well call mickey  mouse as  1.  theres  more chance he  will answer and 2. probably make more sense.

 

In the meantime all immigrations other  posts on their facebook page  do  nothing but show us  how  good  they are with numerous  photos shoots. Maybe if they cut  out the photo shoots  charts and self praise and actually did their jobs.

[gunderhill]

1 hour ago, KeeTua said:

I think their number one priority

Is  to cash in quickly before the site gets  back up   online, certainly  looks that way from what I'm hearing form numerous  sources.

[gunderhill]

1 hour ago, KeeTua said:

ever complaining Farangs.

You might want to check your  facts and  see that many of the complaints are coming from THAIS on facebook.

Edited March 22, 2021 by gunderhill

[david2923]

Just tried online reporting  at 3PM today, No dice

[gunderhill]

28 minutes ago, david2923 said:

Just tried online reporting  at 3PM today, No dice

Never fear as  soon as it is working it  will crash within minutes.

[KeeTua]

3 hours ago, gunderhill said:

You might want to check your  facts and  see that many of the complaints are coming from THAIS on facebook.

I don't use Facebook so if its not too much trouble please explain to me which group of Thais, outside of Immigration, would even be aware that 90 day reporting online is down and if they are aware what are they complaining about? Thanks in advance.

[ubonjoe]

32 minutes ago, KeeTua said:

don't use Facebook so if its not too much trouble please explain to me which group of Thais, outside of Immigration, would even be aware that 90 day reporting online is down and if they are aware what are they complaining about?

They might be complaining about the online TM30 reporting being down since it is on the extranet along with 90 day reporting.