jacky54 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 'Some flight attendants reportedly began crying' - pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tywais Posted March 31, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2015 I always assumed forward momentum and glide ratio would prevent a plane from falling from the sky?Any aircraft can stall at any speed. When it stalls, sometimes the pilot can reestablish laminar flow over the wings and sometimes they cannot. In any case it takes time to recover from a stall and during that time, it falls like a lead balloon. I have some doubt that any aircraft can stall at any speed as you state. I believe there is a certain stall speed associated with any fixed wing aircraft. It would be interesting to be proved wrong though. He is correct, the stall depends solely on angle of attack and not airspeed. Of course there is a relationship and that the slower the aircraft the higher the angle of attack needed to keep it at altitude. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thian Posted March 31, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2015 Yesterday my big bike had to go for service to the Honda dealer (8000 km). They changed the oil and that was it. After reading this thread i decided to check the maintenance schedule and of course they had to check/replace many more parts then just the oil. Now my dealer has a problem. I'm tired of the Thai and their way of maintenance. You just can't trust them! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toybits Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Just goes to show the ICAO report must have some truth to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaPiPuPePo Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I have some doubt that any aircraft can stall at any speed as you state. I believe there is a certain stall speed associated with any fixed wing aircraft. It would be interesting to be proved wrong though. He is correct, the stall depends solely on angle of attack and not airspeed. Of course there is a relationship and that the slower the aircraft the higher the angle of attack needed to keep it at altitude. Good succinct answer....obviated my response but it was going to be "just google it!" AFAIK the f-16 is the world's only plane whose maximum engine thrust exceeds its weight (which varies of course) so it can theoretically fly straight up like a rocket. But even one of those can stall out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EyesWideOpen Posted March 31, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2015 Report on the flight http://avherald.com/h?article=483fc32e Hard to believe this airline is still in existence with their 1-2-Go debacle in Phuket. Couldn't pay me to get on one of their aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Two-GO_Airlines_Flight_269 "Well used" aircraft http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Orient%20Thai%20Airlines.htm I couldn't agree more. That company utilise nothing but flying coffins. Anyone who flies with them needs their head examining in my opinion. It wasn't that jumbo that was parked at Udon for years was it ??? or similar aircraft. Apparently this was a 737-300 (old as dirt). I saw that 747 at Udon. Have a photo of it somewhere. It should be in a museum somewhere. That 747 parked at Udon was in essence for sale. When I tried to buy it to part it out, the company said it was no longer for sale. After giving it some thought, I realised that Orient Thai was carrying it on the books for many millions of dollars. If they sold it for 100,000, then they would be forced to report the loss. Anybody that sets foot on a Orient Thai plane has to have a death wish, or really like to save a few bucks. Their airline 1-2 Go had to be the scariest airline ever to fly in Thailand. I flew one of their antique 747 planes that they were using on the Bangkok Chiang Mai route. Never again !!!! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baboon Posted March 31, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) 'Some flight attendants reportedly began crying' - pathetic Somewhat harsh, I think. They were just (I presume) youngsters going through an extremely frightening experience in the wake of the Germanwings tragedy. I know that I would have probably quite literally shat my pants. Edited March 31, 2015 by baboon 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Yesterday my big bike had to go for service to the Honda dealer (8000 km). They changed the oil and that was it. After reading this thread i decided to check the maintenance schedule and of course they had to check/replace many more parts then just the oil. Now my dealer has a problem. I'm tired of the Thai and their way of maintenance. You just can't trust them! That's a Thai bike, just bigger...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Flint Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 This is a new weapon, shared between usa and conspiracy theorists. It acts like a suction pump, and tries to drag the plane to a deserted island, to do something with in the future. I read this on youtube so it must be true 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longstebe Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Report on the flight http://avherald.com/h?article=483fc32e Hard to believe this airline is still in existence with their 1-2-Go debacle in Phuket. Couldn't pay me to get on one of their aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Two-GO_Airlines_Flight_269 "Well used" aircraft http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Orient%20Thai%20Airlines.htm I couldn't agree more. That company utilise nothing but flying coffins. Anyone who flies with them needs their head examining in my opinion. It wasn't that jumbo that was parked at Udon for years was it ??? or similar aircraft. Ha ha, I remember that, what the effin ell was that doing there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemonjelly Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Ladies and gentlemen, the life jackets are stowed under the seat, with the adult diapers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Coconuts News: "plunges from sky" = save emergency landing .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNXBKKMAN Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Report on the flight http://avherald.com/h?article=483fc32e Hard to believe this airline is still in existence with their 1-2-Go debacle in Phuket. Couldn't pay me to get on one of their aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Two-GO_Airlines_Flight_269 "Well used" aircraft http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Orient%20Thai%20Airlines.htm I couldn't agree more. That company utilise nothing but flying coffins. Anyone who flies with them needs their head examining in my opinion. You could write a book on Orient Thai incidents over the years and that not even including the fatel accident at Phuket. The airline is owned by an influential person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Haggis Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I have some doubt that any aircraft can stall at any speed as you state. I believe there is a certain stall speed associated with any fixed wing aircraft. It would be interesting to be proved wrong though. He is correct, the stall depends solely on angle of attack and not airspeed. Of course there is a relationship and that the slower the aircraft the higher the angle of attack needed to keep it at altitude. Good succinct answer....obviated my response but it was going to be "just google it!" AFAIK the f-16 is the world's only plane whose maximum engine thrust exceeds its weight (which varies of course) so it can theoretically fly straight up like a rocket. But even one of those can stall out. I believe it was a low level stall that was the cause of the recent Royal Thai Air Force F16 based out of Korat, sadly with the loss of the pilot. I'm not sure your info about the vertical ascent is only possible for the F16, pretty sure the Mig 29 and Su 27 along with other FBW fighter jets have the same ability. I would have thought that a vertical climb would have been dependent on how much thrust the afterburners produced, how much air is sucked into the intakes,and how much fuel she was carrying to feed the burners, hence why the majority of modern fighter aircraft can reach their ceiling altitude pretty quickly. getting back to the topic however, as scary as this must've been for all on board, from that picture it didn't look like a full flight, it also stated that there was 119 on board, which would have also included the crew.. the 737-300 can carry up to 149 .. and here's me thinking that the flights to and from China have been packed, given the recent TAT figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNXBKKMAN Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Report on the flight http://avherald.com/h?article=483fc32e Hard to believe this airline is still in existence with their 1-2-Go debacle in Phuket. Couldn't pay me to get on one of their aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Two-GO_Airlines_Flight_269 "Well used" aircraft http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Orient%20Thai%20Airlines.htm I couldn't agree more. That company utilise nothing but flying coffins. Anyone who flies with them needs their head examining in my opinion. It wasn't that jumbo that was parked at Udon for years was it ??? or similar aircraft. Ha ha, I remember that, what the effin ell was that doing there? They have been parked at Udon, Phitsanulok, Utapao, Korat, DMK and can be spotted at the side off the road in suburban Bangkok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Report on the flight http://avherald.com/h?article=483fc32e Hard to believe this airline is still in existence with their 1-2-Go debacle in Phuket. Couldn't pay me to get on one of their aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Two-GO_Airlines_Flight_269 "Well used" aircraft http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Orient%20Thai%20Airlines.htm I couldn't agree more. That company utilise nothing but flying coffins. Anyone who flies with them needs their head examining in my opinion. As I recall it was Orient Thai had bought the 747 that crashed on its last flight with China Airways ( CI 611). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickcar Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 About 3 or 4 years ago a flew to phuket on air Asia and chaingrai on one to go. The air Asia plane looked very old and not cleaned at all on the outside. The One to Go plane looked almost new. Both medium size planes. Has something changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Report on the flight http://avherald.com/h?article=483fc32e Hard to believe this airline is still in existence with their 1-2-Go debacle in Phuket. Couldn't pay me to get on one of their aircraft. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-Two-GO_Airlines_Flight_269 "Well used" aircraft http://www.airfleets.net/ageflotte/Orient%20Thai%20Airlines.htm I was in Phuket a few weeks ago after a long break. They finally got rid of the wreckage which has been sat under a tarpaulin at the eastern end of the airport for years. They obviously had to expand the concreted area so they can park more aircraft. Unfortunately they haven't expanded the airport building, which is a craphole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apalink_thailand Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I always assumed forward momentum and glide ratio would prevent a plane from falling from the sky? Bleed air issue on one engine. Had to conduct emergency descent. This would be done at a high descent rate, which would be felt as if the plane was "plummeting". It would be a rapid descent from 29,000 + feet, down to 10,000 in minutes. So, without a cabin announcement, I would say the "pucker factor" would be at the top of the scale. Especially in light of the GermanWings crash. Bleed air is used to pressurize the cabin so they needed to get down to an altitude where the passengers wouldn't be hypoxic. Interesting but, OT fly old 747's. Surely one engine failure would not shut down the entire bleed air system? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicog Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 AFAIK the f-16 is the world's only plane whose maximum engine thrust exceeds its weight (which varies of course) so it can theoretically fly straight up like a rocket. But even one of those can stall out. They still fly the Lightning at air shows I think. Watched exactly that in awe when I was a kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apalink_thailand Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Ladies and gentlemen, the life jackets are stowed under the seat, with the adult diapers. Something tells me that the passengers on THAT flight were more busy trying to open the windows not find life vests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee b Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 wow... maybe Japan, Korea and soon the rest of the world are right... I'm sure they are. After what has already been said this is a massive slap in the face for Thai aviation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 AFAIK the f-16 is the world's only plane whose maximum engine thrust exceeds its weight (which varies of course) so it can theoretically fly straight up like a rocket. But even one of those can stall out. When I was in the Air Force, I remember occasionally tower would give F4's approval for unlimited/unrestricted departure which means they are approved for vertical climb out. Example below but not quite vertical as he isn't at max performance and afterburners are not on. Photo here of 100% vertical though - https://www.pinterest.com/pin/12244230209251640/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55Jay Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) I'm a pilot that often flies a twin-engine aircraft and I can assure you that when an engine fails, the aircraft doesn't just "plunge out of the sky". If the pilot responds to it quickly, chances are passengers won't even notice (depending on the aircraft type). Planes can fly fine on one engine, especially if they are already straight and level at altitude. Perhaps there was also depressurisation issues, hence the rapid descent and oxygen masks. It wouldn't just nose dive due to a single engine failure. As a general point of interest, wouldn't a two engine jet require a lower altitude for single engine operations though? Something to do with the thrust to weight and air density. Edit: Read in link this was indeed decompression like you said, hence rapid descent. Incident: Orient Thai B733 near Kunming on Mar 28th 2015, loss of cabin pressure http://avherald.com/h?article=483fc32e&opt=0 Edited March 31, 2015 by 55Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dean008 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 you are not allowed to say that, its called thai bashing, or is it thetruth??? Another typical Thai news cover up...'It never happened '....'Sweep it under the carpet '....'It was Yingluck's fault '....Heads in the sand.....Living in denial.....Thainess. In short....anything but the transparent truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docshock13 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Had roundtrip bkk to krabi on this airline. As we boarded, there were other 1-2 Go planes on the tarmac with parts lying out in the open. It was an old MD and all the signage in the cabin was in Spanish. It looked like it had been retrofitted for more seats and oxygen masks with shoddy riveting job above the seats. Seats looked like they hadn't been cleaned since the 70s. Cabin crew looked tired, unkempt, and some had runs in their nylons and old grandma shoes. I immediately got uneasy. Decided to book Thai Airways for the return to bkk. About a week later the Phuket crash occurred. As someone earlier mentioned, this airline shouldnot be allowed to be in business, but the owner and his wife are "people of status" here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguyfromanotherforum Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 To be honest if I was in that airplane I'd be crying too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) Isn't this the Thai airline that had a plane impounded at Gatwick for months due to safety issues and had a nasty crash at Phuket amidst questions about safety procedures and the foreign pilot's qualifications and experience? Yes it is. Also goes under the name 1 to go or some such nonsense. The alleged irregularities over the Phuket crash were cleared up in a way that was mutually satisfactory to all involved with the exception of the victims and their families. But the UK authorities obviously refused to negotiate with the slime and wouldn't let plane go till all the necessary work was done, which obviously wasnt thought necessary by the 12 employees who handle safety issues at the Thai Aviation Dept (nice lucrative work if you can get it). It is very obvious that this airline would never has been given a licence to fly by any respectable aviation authority that cares for the lives of passengers and crew. Edited March 31, 2015 by Dogmatix 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docshock13 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I would hazard a guess that the owners don't even fly their own airline when they travel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
than Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 Oh nooo, more bad news for thai aviation. Who will fly with any of them from now on? Not me or my collegues.... But this happened saturday? Then why it's in the news on tuesday?? This is a good example of exotic airlines in Thailand... Those are carriers who give bad pictures of civil aviation in Thailand... old fleet with lack maintenance. This is the main problem rise by ICAO since few year without fix by former "elect" government ................. All charter or small budget carriers in Thailand are under eyes of ICAO....... Thailand has got 21 carriers only 8 reach ICAO standard..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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