Prayut has a swipe at media in six-month progress report

[yellowboat]

I don't trust any media in any country. I don't trust governments nor corporations. I do feel the General is good for Thailand, for the time being. I feel he needs space to kick some butt, not just Thai's but also interfering foreign countries, mmm.. the US for example, if you keep pushing someone, they will push back. No wonder Thailand is cozying up to China & Russia. The US should stop pretending to be the "World Police" & treat Thailand with more respect, that's how you keep an ally.

"I feel he needs space to kick some butt" Article 44 gives him god like powers without fear to prosecution in Thailand. What more does he need ? Oh how desperate we are in need to believe and not give a moment's hesitation to trust. Thailand means little to the US at the moment.

I am sure that many TVF members are aghast at the fact that the PM has not yet abused his "God like powers, without fear to prosecution in Thailand."

What a terrible disappointment for the naysayers.....

We shall see. Will be happy to eat my words, but he still wields Saddam Hussein like powers for a "man of piece". Other than causing tremendous worry, he has done little since usurping power.

[yellowboat]

In Prayut's 6 month progress report did he or his ministers actually note any accomplishments?

In Yingluck's 3 years did she accomplish anything?

If she did could you please list them chronologically.

Thank you.

It is what she did not do. Before the good general, foreigners could have a second home in Thailand. Now Condos are going unsold or unrented, restaurants have lost their regular customers and the feeling about Thailand now is hopelessness. Hopelessness as the good general tirades against the press, gives himself god like powers and does little to make anyone feel good about Thailand. But if it makes you feel better to rail against the red shirts, feel free. It is yesterday's news now.

Some of the greatest leaders have done nothing, other than allow people to live their lives without interference.

Absolutely correct. Apart from losing money in a populist scheme, corruption, nepotism and shopping to name a few things YL was a great leader because she otherwise did nothing, ".. other than allow people to live their lives without interference"

Hello ! Thailand ! Your bar for the country is a bit high. You are soon to be disappointed further.

[tbthailand]

I don't trust any media in any country. I don't trust governments nor corporations. I do feel the General is good for Thailand, for the time being. I feel he needs space to kick some butt, not just Thai's but also interfering foreign countries, mmm.. the US for example, if you keep pushing someone, they will push back. No wonder Thailand is cozying up to China & Russia. The US should stop pretending to be the "World Police" & treat Thailand with more respect, that's how you keep an ally.

"I feel he needs space to kick some butt" Article 44 gives him god like powers without fear to prosecution in Thailand. What more does he need ? Oh how desperate we are in need to believe and not give a moment's hesitation to trust. Thailand means little to the US at the moment.

I am sure that many TVF members are aghast at the fact that the PM has not yet abused his "God like powers, without fear to prosecution in Thailand."

What a terrible disappointment for the naysayers.....

not yet?

Seriously...

Just every day since May 22nd...

[aussieinthailand]

In Prayut's 6 month progress report did he or his ministers actually note any accomplishments?

In Yingluck's 3 years did she accomplish anything?

If she did could you please list them chronologically.

Thank you.

It is what she did not do. Before the good general, foreigners could have a second home in Thailand. Now Condos are going unsold or unrented, restaurants have lost their regular customers and the feeling about Thailand now is hopelessness. Hopelessness as the good general tirades against the press, gives himself god like powers and does little to make anyone feel good about Thailand. But if it makes you feel better to rail against the red shirts, feel free. It is yesterday's news now.

Some of the greatest leaders have done nothing, other than allow people to live their lives without interference.

Absolutely correct. Apart from losing money in a populist scheme, corruption, nepotism and shopping to name a few things YL was a great leader because she otherwise did nothing, ".. other than allow people to live their lives without interference"

And no other government in Thailand, or any other country has ever lost money in a policy, be it populist or not,,, get a grip mate.

As for condo's not being sold, and unrented, well there may be a few other factors that could have impact on that, as I've bought a condo recently out of 240 apartments only one has not sold as yet...

[Alwyn]

"if people do not respect the law, the country cannot survive".

Edited April 18, 2015 by Alwyn

[mikemac]

There is no progress reported in the progress report.

It would be a simple matter for the government to prepare a press release prior to the PM's speech and to request the media to print it in full. The media would go along with this, since writing and publishing coherent articles is so difficult for them.

I would like to help, by providing a concise summary of the Junta government's accomplishments. In all seriousness:

1. We successfully overthrew an elected government and appointed ourselves to all positions of power

2. We told our friends in Lumpini Park to go home. After they left, the street violence decreased significantly.

3. We arrested and detained without trial about 200 to 300 people, and we made sure you don't know who most of them are, or where they are.

4. We created a National Legislative Assembly that does almost no legislating.

5. We uncovered some weapons caches that would be sufficient to arm about 100 people for about 3 days of armed conflict.

6. We paid rice farmers some money that was owed them.

7. We imposed martial law, and then we lifted it, by replacing it with an order that permits the PM and a wide range of military officers to act outside the law.

8. We announced various rail projects that might happen if we can find some other country to finance them.

9. We told the aviation sector to do better.

10. We complained to other countries about their criticism, explained to them what we are trying to do, and now we think they understand us better. However, they are still criticizing us, so we are going to explain ourselves some more.

11. We cannot report any progress with the economy; the economy is struggling.

12. We can report some small progress on human trafficking; but on human rights overall, the international community seems to believe we have taken a big step backward.

13. We strengthened our ties with countries who do not have a problem with us: China and Russia have expressed their support.

14. We shut down opposition television stations; and we have informed the remaining media they have a duty to the country to avoid criticizing us.

15. We have announced a major initiative in reducing corruption. We arrested a very high level police official. We are looking at a list of 100 names of other government officials, but we cannot tell you who they are, or what crimes they have committed.

16. We have drafted a new Constitution. We have shared only some of the key provisions. We have made no commitment to a referendum.

17. We have announced that we have a road map for reconciliation, a new Charter and elections. We have also announced that none of these things will be finalized until there is peace and order.

18. We are therefor here to maintain control as long as necessary.

19. We have repeatedly assured you that if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

Nice list, you must be very proud of it.

As a polished and professional junta basher you are more than likely a Shin fan, as that is the way it usually works.

Now, seeing as you are so good at compiling lists can you please list all the previous governments' accomplishments during the three years they were in power ? (I would not dare ask you to list all their disasters, lies, failures and low-points as that list would take weeks to write)

Come on, it should not be too hard for a master list maker like yourself.........................

[26vinny]

_{I don`t envy anybody trying to do his job, CORRUPTION is at the heart of the nation,almost impossible to stop it, he is being paid by the elitist scum, check his bank account, which makes him part of the problem, and 1 part of a problem trying to cure itself will never happen, shame he might be suppressing the media, that is the only way to keep the thai`s from rioting etc again, but its all gonna come to nothing when he steps down, as there are more poor people than rich and they will vote against the junta`s party, because of the suppression and 1 sided corruption tactics. just 1 big circus to the whole world and he is just the CLOWN.}

[Chris Lawrence]

In Prayut's 6 month progress report did he or his ministers actually note any accomplishments?

In Yingluck's 3 years did she accomplish anything?

If she did could you please list them chronologically.

Thank you.

It is what she did not do. Before the good general, foreigners could have a second home in Thailand. Now Condos are going unsold or unrented, restaurants have lost their regular customers and the feeling about Thailand now is hopelessness. Hopelessness as the good general tirades against the press, gives himself god like powers and does little to make anyone feel good about Thailand. But if it makes you feel better to rail against the red shirts, feel free. It is yesterday's news now.

Some of the greatest leaders have done nothing, other than allow people to live their lives without interference.

Absolutely correct. Apart from losing money in a populist scheme, corruption, nepotism and shopping to name a few things YL was a great leader because she otherwise did nothing, ".. other than allow people to live their lives without interference"

The one thing that has happened during the General's regime is that Thailand is in its worst economic state in 40 years. I think that is significant.

Even Abhisit adopted the policies of the Thaksin Government to keep the economy moving forward.

As much as some TV'ers have disdain for the T's, their policy's actually catapulted the Thai economy on the world stage.

The General's major factor to date is to stop opposition to the minority Bangkok elite. The effect that is having is to strangle the economic growth of the country.

What the General wants is for the media to be nuted, have no forward thinking and not contribute.

"We – and by that I mean all involved in this fight for justice, including us three, our families, and you, our supporters – have created a huge global awareness of not just our cause, but the far wider and more vital issues of press freedom, the persecution of journalists, and of justice in Egypt," Greste wrote from prison in a letter released in December.

"But, even more than that, we have reignited public discussion and awareness of the vital role that unfettered journalism plays in any healthy, functioning democracy. Never has cleared-eyed, critical, sceptical journalism been more necessary to help make sense of a world overloaded with information." Peter Greste.

[yellowboat]

In Yingluck's 3 years did she accomplish anything?

If she did could you please list them chronologically.

Thank you.

It is what she did not do. Before the good general, foreigners could have a second home in Thailand. Now Condos are going unsold or unrented, restaurants have lost their regular customers and the feeling about Thailand now is hopelessness. Hopelessness as the good general tirades against the press, gives himself god like powers and does little to make anyone feel good about Thailand. But if it makes you feel better to rail against the red shirts, feel free. It is yesterday's news now.

Some of the greatest leaders have done nothing, other than allow people to live their lives without interference.

Absolutely correct. Apart from losing money in a populist scheme, corruption, nepotism and shopping to name a few things YL was a great leader because she otherwise did nothing, ".. other than allow people to live their lives without interference"

And no other government in Thailand, or any other country has ever lost money in a policy, be it populist or not,,, get a grip mate.

As for condo's not being sold, and unrented, well there may be a few other factors that could have impact on that, as I've bought a condo recently out of 240 apartments only one has not sold as yet...

Did they make money or just cut their losses? All I have read is that there is over supply in Bangkok and that buying a condo there is the worst investment on can make. Hope you fare better

[LannaGuy]

There is no progress reported in the progress report.

It would be a simple matter for the government to prepare a press release prior to the PM's speech and to request the media to print it in full. The media would go along with this, since writing and publishing coherent articles is so difficult for them.

I would like to help, by providing a concise summary of the Junta government's accomplishments. In all seriousness:

1. We successfully overthrew an elected government and appointed ourselves to all positions of power

2. We told our friends in Lumpini Park to go home. After they left, the street violence decreased significantly.

3. We arrested and detained without trial about 200 to 300 people, and we made sure you don't know who most of them are, or where they are.

4. We created a National Legislative Assembly that does almost no legislating.

5. We uncovered some weapons caches that would be sufficient to arm about 100 people for about 3 days of armed conflict.

6. We paid rice farmers some money that was owed them.

7. We imposed martial law, and then we lifted it, by replacing it with an order that permits the PM and a wide range of military officers to act outside the law.

8. We announced various rail projects that might happen if we can find some other country to finance them.

9. We told the aviation sector to do better.

10. We complained to other countries about their criticism, explained to them what we are trying to do, and now we think they understand us better. However, they are still criticizing us, so we are going to explain ourselves some more.

11. We cannot report any progress with the economy; the economy is struggling.

12. We can report some small progress on human trafficking; but on human rights overall, the international community seems to believe we have taken a big step backward.

13. We strengthened our ties with countries who do not have a problem with us: China and Russia have expressed their support.

14. We shut down opposition television stations; and we have informed the remaining media they have a duty to the country to avoid criticizing us.

15. We have announced a major initiative in reducing corruption. We arrested a very high level police official. We are looking at a list of 100 names of other government officials, but we cannot tell you who they are, or what crimes they have committed.

16. We have drafted a new Constitution. We have shared only some of the key provisions. We have made no commitment to a referendum.

17. We have announced that we have a road map for reconciliation, a new Charter and elections. We have also announced that none of these things will be finalized until there is peace and order.

18. We are therefor here to maintain control as long as necessary.

19. We have repeatedly assured you that if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

Nice list, you must be very proud of it.

As a polished and professional junta basher you are more than likely a Shin fan, as that is the way it usually works.

Now, seeing as you are so good at compiling lists can you please list all the previous governments' accomplishments during the three years they were in power ? (I would not dare ask you to list all their disasters, lies, failures and low-points as that list would take weeks to write)

Come on, it should not be too hard for a master list maker like yourself.........................

"more than likely a Shin fan, as that is the way it usually works"

pathetic defense of junta i.e. all who oppose must be Shin fans

[smutcakes]

In Prayut's 6 month progress report did he or his ministers actually note any accomplishments?

In Yingluck's 3 years did she accomplish anything?

If she did could you please list them chronologically.

Thank you.

No i cannot list anything, why the hell should i and what relevance has it got.

The speech was advertised as a 6 month progress report. I asked what accomplishments Prayut and his ministers highlighted, i am not sure why your getting your knickers in a twist about it.

[deckape]

I congratulate all posters that focused on only one or two things to ridicule in the General's speech. Talk about a target rich environment.

[LannaGuy]

I don't trust any media in any country. I don't trust governments nor corporations. I do feel the General is good for Thailand, for the time being. I feel he needs space to kick some butt, not just Thai's but also interfering foreign countries, mmm.. the US for example, if you keep pushing someone, they will push back. No wonder Thailand is cozying up to China & Russia. The US should stop pretending to be the "World Police" & treat Thailand with more respect, that's how you keep an ally.

"I feel he needs space to kick some butt" Article 44 gives him god like powers without fear to prosecution in Thailand. What more does he need ? Oh how desperate we are in need to believe and not give a moment's hesitation to trust. Thailand means little to the US at the moment.

I am sure that many TVF members are aghast at the fact that the PM has not yet abused his "God like powers, without fear to prosecution in Thailand."

What a terrible disappointment for the naysayers.....

not yet?

Seriously...

Just every day since May 22nd...

absolutely! spot on

[LuckyLew]

Not too many days ago Mr P was asking the press to help uncover the truth about the crackdowns

Now he is back to taking pot shots at them

Guess the press where not to open and willing to help him since he sad he could execute them

[fobuff]

"The media should ask forward-looking questions" like Sir when will democracy be back so that you can diappear in the abyss like all the other coup general misfits

[tbthailand]

There is no progress reported in the progress report.

It would be a simple matter for the government to prepare a press release prior to the PM's speech and to request the media to print it in full. The media would go along with this, since writing and publishing coherent articles is so difficult for them.

I would like to help, by providing a concise summary of the Junta government's accomplishments. In all seriousness:

1. We successfully overthrew an elected government and appointed ourselves to all positions of power

2. We told our friends in Lumpini Park to go home. After they left, the street violence decreased significantly.

3. We arrested and detained without trial about 200 to 300 people, and we made sure you don't know who most of them are, or where they are.

4. We created a National Legislative Assembly that does almost no legislating.

5. We uncovered some weapons caches that would be sufficient to arm about 100 people for about 3 days of armed conflict.

6. We paid rice farmers some money that was owed them.

7. We imposed martial law, and then we lifted it, by replacing it with an order that permits the PM and a wide range of military officers to act outside the law.

8. We announced various rail projects that might happen if we can find some other country to finance them.

9. We told the aviation sector to do better.

10. We complained to other countries about their criticism, explained to them what we are trying to do, and now we think they understand us better. However, they are still criticizing us, so we are going to explain ourselves some more.

11. We cannot report any progress with the economy; the economy is struggling.

12. We can report some small progress on human trafficking; but on human rights overall, the international community seems to believe we have taken a big step backward.

13. We strengthened our ties with countries who do not have a problem with us: China and Russia have expressed their support.

14. We shut down opposition television stations; and we have informed the remaining media they have a duty to the country to avoid criticizing us.

15. We have announced a major initiative in reducing corruption. We arrested a very high level police official. We are looking at a list of 100 names of other government officials, but we cannot tell you who they are, or what crimes they have committed.

16. We have drafted a new Constitution. We have shared only some of the key provisions. We have made no commitment to a referendum.

17. We have announced that we have a road map for reconciliation, a new Charter and elections. We have also announced that none of these things will be finalized until there is peace and order.

18. We are therefor here to maintain control as long as necessary.

19. We have repeatedly assured you that if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

Nice list, you must be very proud of it.

As a polished and professional junta basher you are more than likely a Shin fan, as that is the way it usually works.

Now, seeing as you are so good at compiling lists can you please list all the previous governments' accomplishments during the three years they were in power ? (I would not dare ask you to list all their disasters, lies, failures and low-points as that list would take weeks to write)

Come on, it should not be too hard for a master list maker like yourself.........................

As a polished and professional junta basher you are more than likely a Shin fan, as that is the way it usually works.

come on, guy, ... I'm pretty certain that some of the most ardent junta-bashers hate Thaksin....

Now, your reaction has popped up already and it's also completely irrelevant (and answered, as far as that goes...)

What would be more interesting is if you actually take issue with the items listed - I do...

item 3: The known number of people detained is not 200-300, but around 700. Those are the ones that are known. The real number is unknown.

The rest are all accurate although a bit of color could be added if it weren't illegal to do so, ... for example, the reasons for the arrest mentioned in item 15...

[Torrens54]

I was not at all impressed with Channel News Asia (CNA) from Singapore and their coverage of this story on Friday.

They had an interview with some American guy at a University in Chiang Mai (NOT C.M.U) who in the space of just a few minutes, made repeated references to what he termed a "Dictator" and "Dictatorship." The guy was red-faced and looking as though, he was having a fit of Hysterics.

The TV station then failed to interview anyone with a different point of view. Very Poor Journalism on the part of what is normally a good and balanced news service.

As for the University "spokesman", I would suggest the Prime Minister's Office should have a look at the tape from CNA and perhaps take Legal action against him.

Edited April 18, 2015 by Torrens54

[Lite Beer]

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha addressed the public in a live TV broadcast yesterday morning toannounce the achievements of his government over the last six months. According to the prime minister, Thailand’s future is bright.

Read More: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/818394-government-announces-its-6-month-progress-report/

[yellowboat]

I was not at all impressed with Channel News Asia (CNA) from Singapore and their coverage of this story on Friday.

They had an interview with some American guy at a University in Chiang Mai (NOT C.M.U) who in the space of just a few minutes, made repeated references to what he termed a "Dictator" and "Dictatorship." The guy was red-faced and looking as though, he was having a fit of Hysterics.

The TV station then failed to interview anyone with a different point of view. Very Poor Journalism on the part of what is normally a good and balanced news service.

As for the University "spokesman", I would suggest the Prime Minister's Office should have a look at the tape from CNA and perhaps take Legal action against him.

Channel News Asia is rather heavily censored by the Singapore Government. Not sure why they are taking just one side.

Take legal action against some foreign student ? It is doubtful the good general enjoys crushing ants under his boots. He ought to have more pressing things on his mind like the economy and slavery. The only thing that he is afraid of is the foreign press. Hassling an American student in one of the opposition's strong holds would cause far too much trouble. Even he knows that. This person's comments will be forgotten by Monday afternoon. Most do not need an American student to tell us what is going on in Thailand.

[phoenixdoglover]

There is no progress reported in the progress report.

It would be a simple matter for the government to prepare a press release prior to the PM's speech and to request the media to print it in full. The media would go along with this, since writing and publishing coherent articles is so difficult for them.

I would like to help, by providing a concise summary of the Junta government's accomplishments. In all seriousness:

1. We successfully overthrew an elected government and appointed ourselves to all positions of power

2. We told our friends in Lumpini Park to go home. After they left, the street violence decreased significantly.

.........

Nice list, you must be very proud of it.

As a polished and professional junta basher you are more than likely a Shin fan, as that is the way it usually works.

Now, seeing as you are so good at compiling lists can you please list all the previous governments' accomplishments during the three years they were in power ? (I would not dare ask you to list all their disasters, lies, failures and low-points as that list would take weeks to write)

Come on, it should not be too hard for a master list maker like yourself.........................

From a logical standpoint, the accomplishments or lack thereof on the part of the previous government, don't actually change the accomplishments, or lack thereof, of the current government. I hope that clears things up for you.

[yellowboat]

There is no progress reported in the progress report.

It would be a simple matter for the government to prepare a press release prior to the PM's speech and to request the media to print it in full. The media would go along with this, since writing and publishing coherent articles is so difficult for them.

I would like to help, by providing a concise summary of the Junta government's accomplishments. In all seriousness:

1. We successfully overthrew an elected government and appointed ourselves to all positions of power

2. We told our friends in Lumpini Park to go home. After they left, the street violence decreased significantly.

3. We arrested and detained without trial about 200 to 300 people, and we made sure you don't know who most of them are, or where they are.

4. We created a National Legislative Assembly that does almost no legislating.

5. We uncovered some weapons caches that would be sufficient to arm about 100 people for about 3 days of armed conflict.

6. We paid rice farmers some money that was owed them.

7. We imposed martial law, and then we lifted it, by replacing it with an order that permits the PM and a wide range of military officers to act outside the law.

8. We announced various rail projects that might happen if we can find some other country to finance them.

9. We told the aviation sector to do better.

10. We complained to other countries about their criticism, explained to them what we are trying to do, and now we think they understand us better. However, they are still criticizing us, so we are going to explain ourselves some more.

11. We cannot report any progress with the economy; the economy is struggling.

12. We can report some small progress on human trafficking; but on human rights overall, the international community seems to believe we have taken a big step backward.

13. We strengthened our ties with countries who do not have a problem with us: China and Russia have expressed their support.

14. We shut down opposition television stations; and we have informed the remaining media they have a duty to the country to avoid criticizing us.

15. We have announced a major initiative in reducing corruption. We arrested a very high level police official. We are looking at a list of 100 names of other government officials, but we cannot tell you who they are, or what crimes they have committed.

16. We have drafted a new Constitution. We have shared only some of the key provisions. We have made no commitment to a referendum.

17. We have announced that we have a road map for reconciliation, a new Charter and elections. We have also announced that none of these things will be finalized until there is peace and order.

18. We are therefor here to maintain control as long as necessary.

19. We have repeatedly assured you that if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

Nice list, you must be very proud of it.

As a polished and professional junta basher you are more than likely a Shin fan, as that is the way it usually works.

Now, seeing as you are so good at compiling lists can you please list all the previous governments' accomplishments during the three years they were in power ? (I would not dare ask you to list all their disasters, lies, failures and low-points as that list would take weeks to write)

Come on, it should not be too hard for a master list maker like yourself.........................

Bashing those who usurp power with the threat of force deserve no less than verbal abuse. How do some people cheer them on ? Loving freedom and respecting a representative form government makes you a shin lover ? How petty ! This forum offers chilling lessons as to those who have no regard for their and others personal freedoms.

[billd766]

In Prayut's 6 month progress report did he or his ministers actually note any accomplishments?

In Yingluck's 3 years did she accomplish anything?

If she did could you please list them chronologically.

Thank you.

well that is a completely irrelevant point and a comparison that is wrong from the start... The start is that the Yingluck government was chosen by the people of Thailand and, yeah, you could call an accomplishment.

Then, as you know, they went about doing the basic job of governing. Some things went well (calming the border issues), some didn't (flood response). There was a platform for the government and they worked on it... There was give and take, minimum wage passed, then delayed to accommodate businesses and flooding recovery.

oh, they also survived attack after attack from the feeble opposition... The dems filed their first court case against the government in August 2011.

I know that people here like to pretend that nothing happened (unless it was "bad"), for three years, but the fact is that any government can accomplish something, the 2006 Junta kept the lights on and wrote a new military charter. Even the Abhisit government, which was hardly legitimate, pretended to have policies and implement them. The PTP government did the same.

During all of those governments there were things that worked, things that didn't work, corruption, cronyism, .... in short all of the same things that mark Thai politics and Thai society... And throughout all of that time there was the military - either in the background or sometimes in the foreground - playing it's usual role on the political scene...

Now it is in the foreground, and to call it a 'government' is rather generous, much less to compare it to any government elected by The People.

(PS: I imagine that by pointing out that something did happened between 2011 and 2014 will further my "credentials" as a PTP supporter... For the record, I support governments being elected, beyond that, I support having the right to criticize them. Neither is the case today...)

Well Smutcakes made a statement about the things that this government has achieved in a time period.

My question (which by the way you completely failed to answer) was what had the PTP achieved in it 3 years?

So as you have not answered my question, can I assume that the PTP achieved nothing, or can someone else give me an answer?

[billd766]

Well I have read the thread up to post #52 at 11.30 this morning and apart from the posters who are bashing the current government not one of them has spoken up and told what achievements the PTP government has made in 3 years.

To me that means that either nothing happened or they are too shy, but not to shy to bash the current government.

[DM07]

Well I have read the thread up to post #52 at 11.30 this morning and apart from the posters who are bashing the current government not one of them has spoken up and told what achievements the PTP government has made in 3 years.

To me that means that either nothing happened or they are too shy, but not to shy to bash the current government.

...or it is totally off-topic?!

[tbthailand]

In Prayut's 6 month progress report did he or his ministers actually note any accomplishments?

In Yingluck's 3 years did she accomplish anything?

If she did could you please list them chronologically.

Thank you.

well that is a completely irrelevant point and a comparison that is wrong from the start... The start is that the Yingluck government was chosen by the people of Thailand and, yeah, you could call an accomplishment.

Then, as you know, they went about doing the basic job of governing. Some things went well (calming the border issues), some didn't (flood response). There was a platform for the government and they worked on it... There was give and take, minimum wage passed, then delayed to accommodate businesses and flooding recovery.

oh, they also survived attack after attack from the feeble opposition... The dems filed their first court case against the government in August 2011.

I know that people here like to pretend that nothing happened (unless it was "bad"), for three years, but the fact is that any government can accomplish something, the 2006 Junta kept the lights on and wrote a new military charter. Even the Abhisit government, which was hardly legitimate, pretended to have policies and implement them. The PTP government did the same.

During all of those governments there were things that worked, things that didn't work, corruption, cronyism, .... in short all of the same things that mark Thai politics and Thai society... And throughout all of that time there was the military - either in the background or sometimes in the foreground - playing it's usual role on the political scene...

Now it is in the foreground, and to call it a 'government' is rather generous, much less to compare it to any government elected by The People.

(PS: I imagine that by pointing out that something did happened between 2011 and 2014 will further my "credentials" as a PTP supporter... For the record, I support governments being elected, beyond that, I support having the right to criticize them. Neither is the case today...)

Well Smutcakes made a statement about the things that this government has achieved in a time period.

My question (which by the way you completely failed to answer) was what had the PTP achieved in it 3 years?

So as you have not answered my question, can I assume that the PTP achieved nothing, or can someone else give me an answer?

I would suggest that you can assume that you are unable to read....

or assume that you have lost your memory and can't recall for yourself 2011-2014, ...

or assume that you are possibly just unable to understand what goes on around you??

or just assume that your logic of connecting the policies and activities of the last elected government of Thailand with the current regime is irrelevant and no one else will play your petty game...

[NeilSA1]

I don't trust any media in any country. I don't trust governments nor corporations. I do feel the General is good for Thailand, for the time being. I feel he needs space to kick some butt, not just Thai's but also interfering foreign countries, mmm.. the US for example, if you keep pushing someone, they will push back. No wonder Thailand is cozying up to China & Russia. The US should stop pretending to be the "World Police" & treat Thailand with more respect, that's how you keep an ally.

"I feel he needs space to kick some butt" Article 44 gives him god like powers without fear to prosecution in Thailand. What more does he need ? Oh how desperate we are in need to believe and not give a moment's hesitation to trust. Thailand means little to the US at the moment.

I am sure that many TVF members are aghast at the fact that the PM has not yet abused his "God like powers, without fear to prosecution in Thailand."

What a terrible disappointment for the naysayers.....

not yet?

Seriously...

Just every day since May 22nd...

Sorry, I thought that the reference was made specifically to article 44, which was a little later than May 22nd.......

Edited April 19, 2015 by NeilSA1

[mikemac]

There is no progress reported in the progress report.

It would be a simple matter for the government to prepare a press release prior to the PM's speech and to request the media to print it in full. The media would go along with this, since writing and publishing coherent articles is so difficult for them.

I would like to help, by providing a concise summary of the Junta government's accomplishments. In all seriousness:

1. We successfully overthrew an elected government and appointed ourselves to all positions of power

2. We told our friends in Lumpini Park to go home. After they left, the street violence decreased significantly.

3. We arrested and detained without trial about 200 to 300 people, and we made sure you don't know who most of them are, or where they are.

4. We created a National Legislative Assembly that does almost no legislating.

5. We uncovered some weapons caches that would be sufficient to arm about 100 people for about 3 days of armed conflict.

6. We paid rice farmers some money that was owed them.

7. We imposed martial law, and then we lifted it, by replacing it with an order that permits the PM and a wide range of military officers to act outside the law.

8. We announced various rail projects that might happen if we can find some other country to finance them.

9. We told the aviation sector to do better.

10. We complained to other countries about their criticism, explained to them what we are trying to do, and now we think they understand us better. However, they are still criticizing us, so we are going to explain ourselves some more.

11. We cannot report any progress with the economy; the economy is struggling.

12. We can report some small progress on human trafficking; but on human rights overall, the international community seems to believe we have taken a big step backward.

13. We strengthened our ties with countries who do not have a problem with us: China and Russia have expressed their support.

14. We shut down opposition television stations; and we have informed the remaining media they have a duty to the country to avoid criticizing us.

15. We have announced a major initiative in reducing corruption. We arrested a very high level police official. We are looking at a list of 100 names of other government officials, but we cannot tell you who they are, or what crimes they have committed.

16. We have drafted a new Constitution. We have shared only some of the key provisions. We have made no commitment to a referendum.

17. We have announced that we have a road map for reconciliation, a new Charter and elections. We have also announced that none of these things will be finalized until there is peace and order.

18. We are therefor here to maintain control as long as necessary.

19. We have repeatedly assured you that if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear.

Nice list, you must be very proud of it.

As a polished and professional junta basher you are more than likely a Shin fan, as that is the way it usually works.

Now, seeing as you are so good at compiling lists can you please list all the previous governments' accomplishments during the three years they were in power ? (I would not dare ask you to list all their disasters, lies, failures and low-points as that list would take weeks to write)

Come on, it should not be too hard for a master list maker like yourself.........................

As a polished and professional junta basher you are more than likely a Shin fan, as that is the way it usually works.

come on, guy, ... I'm pretty certain that some of the most ardent junta-bashers hate Thaksin....

Now, your reaction has popped up already and it's also completely irrelevant (and answered, as far as that goes...)

What would be more interesting is if you actually take issue with the items listed - I do...

item 3: The known number of people detained is not 200-300, but around 700. Those are the ones that are known. The real number is unknown.

The rest are all accurate although a bit of color could be added if it weren't illegal to do so, ... for example, the reasons for the arrest mentioned in item 15...

If you and your sidekick both read my comment again, or perhaps had someone read it for you and explain it to you, you will see I used the terms "more than likely" and "usually". As far as the Junta attackers go on this forum I think I was well within my rights to say that. Most of them abuse the junta in one topic while defending the Shins in another.

And I agree "that some of the most ardent junta-bashers hate Thaksin", never said otherwise.

Anyone could write a list condemning the Shin regime, highlighting their failures, and it would be a mile long.

Polish up on your grammar, the pair of you, and stop trying to split hairs.

[yellowboat]

Well I have read the thread up to post #52 at 11.30 this morning and apart from the posters who are bashing the current government not one of them has spoken up and told what achievements the PTP government has made in 3 years.

To me that means that either nothing happened or they are too shy, but not to shy to bash the current government.

They could have built doll houses or finger painted. They were elected. If the Thai people were unhappy with their performance, they would get voted out. Instead, an elitist backed mob took to the streets and the military had, what they thought, was an excuse for a coup. Why wasn't there a no confidence vote? Because we all know who would have won.

It still amazes me that people who have enjoyed great freedoms in the west, back those who depose an elected government install military law or Article 44, which is pretty much the same thing.

What Yingluck did not do is screw with tourism or with those who wished to do business in the Kingdom. That all changed last summer.

[Thai at Heart]

This bloke is a fool isn't he.

[phoenixdoglover]

If you and your sidekick both read my comment again, or perhaps had someone read it for you and explain it to you, you will see I used the terms "more than likely" and "usually". As far as the Junta attackers go on this forum I think I was well within my rights to say that. Most of them abuse the junta in one topic while defending the Shins in another.

And I agree "that some of the most ardent junta-bashers hate Thaksin", never said otherwise.

Anyone could write a list condemning the Shin regime, highlighting their failures, and it would be a mile long.

Polish up on your grammar, the pair of you, and stop trying to split hairs.

"Most of them abuse the junta in one topic while defending the Shins in another."

Actually, what I see most is people criticizing the Junta and defending the previously elected government (and not the "Shins", as you suggest).

Your point of view is a gross distortion of the main issue at hand. "Accomplishments" are not the issue (although a case can be made the Junta's assertion of progress is largely rhetorical).

What is the main issue is that the previous government was elected in a process that was deemed acceptable by international observers, and thus perpetuated a recognized democracy (the most recent Thai variant, anyway); while the current Junta assumed power through a coup, and rules without any legitimacy gained from a referendum or election of representatives.

The defense is for a democratic system of government, irrespective of the good or bad personalities at the helm.

Could it be any clearer?.