Dutch lawmaker tells migrants not to come to Netherlands

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Dutch lawmaker tells migrants not to come to Netherlands
MIKE CORDER, Associated Press

THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — Dutch anti-Islam opposition lawmaker Geert Wilders has copied part of Australia's approach to stopping boat migrants by making a video telling would-be asylum seekers considering making the treacherous boat crossing from North Africa to Europe: "You will not make the Netherlands home."

The video, posted on Wilders' website, echoes a similar message recorded by the Australian government last year that warns immigrants: "Anyone who travels illegally by boat will not make Australia home."

In Wilders' video, which could be seen on his Freedom Party's website on Wednesday, he says in English: "No way."

Wilders, whose popularity in the Netherlands is based mainly on his tough anti-Islam, anti-immigration rhetoric, then switches to speaking in Dutch to call for European Union navy patrols to send back all migrants they intercept and not transport them to Europe.

Leaders of the European Union will gather Thursday in Brussels for an emergency summit in the wake of a shipwreck off Libya last weekend that authorities believe may have killed more than 800 migrants.

Ahead of that meeting, Italy urged the EU to take tougher action against the human tide.

Defense Minister Roberta Pinotti said human smugglers should be targeted with military action and Premier Matteo Renzi urged the EU to swiftly craft a long-range, comprehensive policy on the migrants.

In Australia, Prime Minister Tony Abbott also suggested Europe follow his country's lead in turning away asylum seekers' boats.

"The only way you can stop the deaths is to stop the people-smuggling trade. The only way you can stop the deaths is, in fact, to stop the boats," Abbott told reporters in the nation's capital, Canberra, on Tuesday.


-- (c) Associated Press 2015-04-23

[Somtamnication]

I wish Cameron would do the same.

[ABCer]

I wish they would do what they say.

[Dannyboy666]

Good News...

[simple1]

Abbott is being disingenuous as Indonesia, under pressure, co-operated with his turn back the boats policy. There is not a functioning government in Libya, the main country for embarkation, with whom to collaborate / negotiate to provide safe passage for returnees

Edited April 23, 2015 by simple1

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed.

[steven100]

The only way is to stop the people smugglers .... this will stop the boats.

People smuggling should be mandatory ' life in prison ' or death penalty ... this will stop them.

But .. turning the boats back is good as word spreads that the smuggling will not work and therefore people will not pay them.

Europe needs to do the same as Australia.

[MaxYakov]

"Immigrants who are already legally in our countries, who keep to the law and assimilate into our culture, are welcome to stay and are equal to anybody else.

But to those who have crossed our borders illegally, want to wage jihad, put Sharia law above our laws, or commit violent crimes, we say loud and clear: Leave our country! You do not belong here!

And when jihadists want to leave our country, I say: Do not stop them, but let them leave! But let them never return. Never again."

Ref: Geert Wilders Weblog - Dresden Speech, 13 April 2015

Edited April 23, 2015 by MaxYakov

[JDGRUEN]

If the U.K. and the E.U. countries had any sense at all - they governments would simply declare a stoppage of all immigration except on a highly selective screening ... people who possess skills in science, engineering, etc., have a job offer, and who can contribute something to society besides living off the dole, protesting and demanding more rights and generally acting like asses in other peoples countries.

Edited April 23, 2015 by JDGRUEN

[shirtless]

This policy does not work great idea i wish australia would look after Australians instead of supporting these ingrates

[boomerangutang]

Plan for the future: free condoms for everyone residing in supply countries. Also: free tube tying for any person over age 20 who freely elects the surgery (doctors provided by western countries). It won't happen, but hey, you heard it first here.

What's the alternative? Women in poor miserable countries continuing to pop out babies like bunnies, most of whom will grow up to try desperately to get to a bleeding-heart farang country which is better managed and offers hand-outs to everyone.

There's a science fiction short story (I can't recall the name) by Larry Niven which describes a planet which, when viewed from space, shows each continent ringed by what looks like a black line. Upon closer inspection, those black lines are masses of people, all on the edge of survival, hanging out and dying by seashores. The only nutrition, is a bit found at the water's edge, enough for 1/100th the desperate billions amassed along those shores.

[jefro]

Plan for the future: free condoms for everyone residing in supply countries. Also: free tube tying for any person over age 20 who freely elects the surgery (doctors provided by western countries). It won't happen, but hey, you heard it first here.

What's the alternative? Women in poor miserable countries continuing to pop out babies like bunnies, most of whom will grow up to try desperately to get to a bleeding-heart farang country which is better managed and offers hand-outs to everyone.

There's a science fiction short story (I can't recall the name) by Larry Niven which describes a planet which, when viewed from space, shows each continent ringed by what looks like a black line. Upon closer inspection, those black lines are masses of people, all on the edge of survival, hanging out and dying by seashores. The only nutrition, is a bit found at the water's edge, enough for 1/100th the desperate billions amassed along those shores.

Was the Larry Niven story "Ringworld"?

[avocadowangnamkeouw]

The boy Wilders is preaching hate among us all over the world.

Blaming 'others' for big problems that can not be simplified by his rhetoric's.

We have seen that before.

In my opinion he and his 'believers' are potentially a bigger problem.

[Anthony5]

Wilders could have copied Thailand's immigration laws, far easier to keep immigrants at large.

[maidee]

i don't understand all the fuzz

just make a law that people can only get benefits, when they WORKED legally, paying taxes in the country for many years for giving them gifts like : monthly allowance, same as a pensionner, free housing, free anything ...

for the boats used, what do they do with it afterwards ?

[Anthony5]

i don't understand all the fuzz

just make a law that people can only get benefits, when they WORKED legally, paying taxes in the country for many years for giving them gifts like : monthly allowance, same as a pensionner, free housing, free anything ...

for the boats used, what do they do with it afterwards ?

That law exists for years already in most European countries, but it only applies to people who were born in the country.

I for example have a problem to get my domicile registered at my parents home, where I grew up since I was born, because I stay in Thailand. If I return to my country I can not get any benefits because I've been out of the social security system for more than 3 years, so I will first have to work again something like 5 years full time for a company. Being self employed and paying taxes doesn't count.

I have emailed my local mayor if it would help if I first change nationality to Moroccan or Turk?

Edited April 23, 2015 by Anthony5

[does]

Fully agree. And it is revealing that a hate monger like Wilders has in common with many Western/Australian politicians that they refuse the see the relation between cause and effect. Wilders decries radical Islamic extremism but never ever discusses its cause.

Ask Western/Australian lawmakers the following question: "Who was the first democratically elected leader of an Islamic country and how and why was he deposed?" I bet less than 3% of them would know the answer (Mossadegh of Iran in 1953, when southerm European countries were still fascist dictatorships).

The boy Wilders is preaching hate among us all over the world.

Blaming 'others' for big problems that can not be simplified by his rhetoric's.

We have seen that before.

In my opinion he and his 'believers' are potentially a bigger problem.

[MaxYakov]

Plan for the future: free condoms for everyone residing in supply countries. Also: free tube tying for any person over age 20 who freely elects the surgery (doctors provided by western countries). It won't happen, but hey, you heard it first here.

What's the alternative? Women in poor miserable countries continuing to pop out babies like bunnies, most of whom will grow up to try desperately to get to a bleeding-heart farang country which is better managed and offers hand-outs to everyone.

There's a science fiction short story (I can't recall the name) by Larry Niven which describes a planet which, when viewed from space, shows each continent ringed by what looks like a black line. Upon closer inspection, those black lines are masses of people, all on the edge of survival, hanging out and dying by seashores. The only nutrition, is a bit found at the water's edge, enough for 1/100th the desperate billions amassed along those shores.

You may be referring to The Mote in God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.

Another Sci Fi writer, George R. R. Martin wrote a series of short stories that were combined into a novel, Tuf Voyaging. It involved huge Ecological Engineering Corps, millinia-old seed ships capable of ecologically engineering entire planets and Tuf's providing new food sources for overpopulated planets using the long-lost ship's life form cloning capability. A good read and I always thought Hollywood should have run with it. Are we off-topic yet?

Edited April 23, 2015 by MaxYakov

[rethaier]

The boy Wilders is preaching hate among us all over the world.

Blaming 'others' for big problems that can not be simplified by his rhetoric's.

We have seen that before.

In my opinion he and his 'believers' are potentially a bigger problem.

No he is not preaching hate. He is preaching sensibility. I don't want my country to become Islamic, I don't want terrorists living in my midst and I certainly don't want a hate preaching Imam in a mosque in every district, do you?

Sorry it is Ostriches like yourself that are the biggest threat to western democratic countries and their freedom.

[Boatfreak]

Then maybe WE should stop plundering THEM http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/oceans/video-how-europe%E2%80%99s-plunder-west-africa-affecting-local-fishing-communities-20120305

[rethaier]

Then maybe WE should stop plundering THEM http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/oceans/video-how-europe%E2%80%99s-plunder-west-africa-affecting-local-fishing-communities-20120305

We never should have plundered them in the first place. But now we have a bigger threat and it must be dealt with.

[godden]

Well done that man.

[Ulic]

If the port/country they embarked from was safe enough for them to travel to making this journey

then it is safe enough for them to be returned to. The only way to end the migration is to not accept

the migrants in the first place. Rescue and return is the only way to stop this.

[meltingpot2015]

The only way you can stop the deaths is to stop the people-smuggling trade. The only way you can stop the deaths is, in fact, to stop the boats

and the only way to stop the boats?, is to buy all the boats? A boat buy-back scheme perhaps?, to buy all the boats from the people smugglers (why stop there Mr Abbott, just buy all the boats in the whole world, that'll stop 'em). Of all the crazy ideas the Boat buy-back scheme's gotto be top of the list.

Edited April 23, 2015 by meltingpot2015

[Steely Dan]

Geert Wilders PVV are the largest party in Holland. Anti-immigration parties are indeed riding high throughout Europe to the degree that coalitions of minority parties are colluding to keep them out of power, as is the case with Sweden. Thankfully we are rapidly reaching the stage where the will of the majority will finally gain control of policy, only then will the party end for the people smugglers and colonizers from a hostile alien ideology.

[NanLaew]

If the port/country they embarked from was safe enough for them to travel to making this journey

then it is safe enough for them to be returned to. The only way to end the migration is to not accept

the migrants in the first place. Rescue and return is the only way to stop this.

I think the latest, most tragic event saw the vessel departing from and sinking near Libya. I doubt that anyone can call that country 'safe enough' for anything right now.

I am sure that the EU nations will be rushing to form a special, combination SAR/SEAL team to intercept, rescue and deliver these poor souls back where they came from.

[steven100]

Fully agree. And it is revealing that a hate monger like Wilders has in common with many Western/Australian politicians that they refuse the see the relation between cause and effect. Wilders decries radical Islamic extremism but never ever discusses its cause.

Ask Western/Australian lawmakers the following question: "Who was the first democratically elected leader of an Islamic country and how and why was he deposed?" I bet less than 3% of them would know the answer (Mossadegh of Iran in 1953, when southerm European countries were still fascist dictatorships).

The boy Wilders is preaching hate among us all over the world.

Blaming 'others' for big problems that can not be simplified by his rhetoric's.

We have seen that before.

In my opinion he and his 'believers' are potentially a bigger problem.

you are wrong ... it's dogooders like you that cost the country billions instead it could be spent on their own to create jobs.

I don't want asylum seekers in my country, I don't like people smugglers ... they should be shot.

Stop the damn boats ... stop the smugglers that make hundreds of thousands of $$.

I agree ...we disagree

Edited April 23, 2015 by steven100

[Gulfsailor]

Geert Wilders PVV are the largest party in Holland. Anti-immigration parties are indeed riding high throughout Europe to the degree that coalitions of minority parties are colluding to keep them out of power, as is the case with Sweden. Thankfully we are rapidly reaching the stage where the will of the majority will finally gain control of policy, only then will the party end for the people smugglers and colonizers from a hostile alien ideology.

PVV is far from the largest party in Holland. In some polls they do well from time to time, but in actual elections they don't. As such they currently represent about 8% of voters in the Dutch version of the lower house.

[dragonfly94]

The boy Wilders is preaching hate among us all over the world.

Blaming 'others' for big problems that can not be simplified by his rhetoric's.

We have seen that before.

In my opinion he and his 'believers' are potentially a bigger problem.

He is not preaching hate but warning about the obvious, to all but the PC apologists, of the dangers of Islamic immigration.

[jeanpierre]

Then maybe WE should stop plundering THEM http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/blog/oceans/video-how-europe%E2%80%99s-plunder-west-africa-affecting-local-fishing-communities-20120305

who is we??? not me!!!