Type O Marriage Visa Foreign man vs Foreign Women

[flyingsaucersarereal]

So I was looking at the requirements to be married to a Thai Women vs a Foreign women being married to a Thai man.

The one thing that jumps out to me is the financial requirements for the foreign man.

A foreign man needs 400,000 Thai Baht in a Thai bank or proof of 40,000 monthly income.

Foreign women married to a Thai man needs nothing! Why is this?

Is it so crazy that a women could support her husband? Anyway just thought this was a little weird!

[CharlieH]

Wrong forum...MOVED to Visa

[Maestro]

It is so because that's how it is written in Police Order 327/2557. The Police Order gives no explanation for this difference and as far as I know, no explanation has been published elsewhere.

Is it so crazy that a women could support her husband?

If you read the clause 2.18(6) carefully, you will notice that there is no mention of "support" and therefore this does not enter into the discussion. You may have to look at the original Thai text to get a clear understanding of this clause, as the English translation may be inadequate.

[ubonjoe]

By Thai tradition the husband supports their wife. That is the best explanation I can give. Some offices do ask the husband to provide some sort financial proof.

[Lite Beer]

All part of the discrimination against Thai Women.

A Thai Man can live with his foreign Wife with little problem.

A Thai Woman cannot live with her foreign Husband without all sorts of hassle.

[evadgib]

This will surely be challenged by Thai wives when ASEAN kicks in.

[ubonjoe]

This will surely be challenged by Thai wives when ASEAN kicks in.

You must be writing about the ASEAN Economic Community (AEC) since ASEAN has existed for many years.

The AEC will make no difference for the subject of this topic. Many people are under the false impression that the AEC is like the EEC. It is no where near to it.

[abrahamzvi]

By Thai tradition the husband supports their wife. That is the best explanation I can give. Some offices do ask the husband to provide some sort financial proof.

This unfortunate practice does exist in most, if not in practically all, western countries. Although they all write the word EQUALITY in capital letters on their flags, it is much more difficult for a foreign man married to a local woman to get a residence permit than for a foreign woman married to a local. Most countries will deny this, but in practice this is a fact

[evadgib]

This will surely be challenged by Thai wives when ASEAN kicks in.

You must be writing about the ASEAN Economic Community (AEC) since ASEAN has existed for many years.

The AEC will make no difference for the subject of this topic. Many people are under the false impression that the AEC is like the EEC. It is no where near to it.

Call it wishful thinking

What's stopping a gaggle of wives challenging anyway?

[ubonjoe]

This will surely be challenged by Thai wives when ASEAN kicks in.

You must be writing about the ASEAN Economic Community (AEC) since ASEAN has existed for many years.

The AEC will make no difference for the subject of this topic. Many people are under the false impression that the AEC is like the EEC. It is no where near to it.

Call it wishful thinking

What's stopping a gaggle of wives challenging anyway?

Nothing is stopping them from trying.

It took several years of challenges in court and complaints about the nationality act discriminating against women because wives of Thai men could easily get Thai citizenship. But when they made it equal in the change done in 2008 the bureaucrats forced through a ministerial regulation that still makes it hard for a man to get Thai nationality. That regulation is why a man has to be working here and earning a salary of 40k baht in order to apply.

I would like to see a push to change the regulation to where a man married to a Thai could get permanent residency without the requirement to be working here.

[technologybytes]

Actually I thought the amount of income a foreign man requires depends on his nationality, so that's racist and sexist all in the same law.

[ubonjoe]

Actually I thought the amount of income a foreign man requires depends on his nationality, so that's racist and sexist all in the same law.

For extension of stay based upon marriage it is the same income requirement of 40k baht for all nationalities.

I think you are confusing it with the salary requirement for an extension based upon working which varies by nationality.

[SOTIRIOS]

...considering there are practically no rights associated with this display and outlay of cash....the laws should absolutely be ammended...

...the right to bring your money over....put everything in your wife's name...and then be kicked to the curb.....

...end result...egomaniac 'victim' wives.....broken homes and families....and scarred children.....

...the focus has too easily become money...capital...assets....

...not marriage...family....love.......

..a partnership has to be equal...equal rights.....

...not a lopsided rendition.....

...as it stands now...the laws...and lack of them...perpetuate this gross...perverse...injustice...

...with foreign men often losing all...including the children.....

[lilyblue]

I married three years ago I'm Australian and my husband is Thai.

Whilst I didn't have to show financial records my husband did. And the threshold was the same - 40,000 per month. They also seemed to be a lot more interested in where we lived, his employer etc than friends (male) who married Thai females.

The main thing is in Thailand the husband of foreign or Thai nationality must show ability to support spouse for you to qualify for spouse visa.

We had issue that my husband receives most of his income as cash and as such doesn't bank it all - we had issues getting approved.

[Maestro]

At what immigration office was this? You must have been dealing with an immigration officer who did not understand the rules.

[Bigstef]

I married three years ago I'm Australian and my husband is Thai.

Whilst I didn't have to show financial records my husband did. And the threshold was the same - 40,000 per month. They also seemed to be a lot more interested in where we lived, his employer etc than friends (male) who married Thai females.

The main thing is in Thailand the husband of foreign or Thai nationality must show ability to support spouse for you to qualify for spouse visa.

We had issue that my husband receives most of his income as cash and as such doesn't bank it all - we had issues getting approved.

Thanks for your post, while visiting me.... my sister met a Thai men 2 years ago and now they are talking of getting married next year, and come live LOS

[cnx355]

Women of the world should be happy and publish that worldwide ! This is a country were discrimination against foreign male is welcome !

Rich Thai women do not care about that, so only the poor women could benefit and it is not important in Thailand.

[lilyblue]

Then law is clear for applying for a spouse visa if female there are rules that apply for my husband to qualify to support me.

Totally different consideration to proving income to support Thai female if you are a farang male.

As the case of Thai man marrying farang female is not many there's a lot of differing opinion.

They were very suspicious about it all did I just want a visa etc.

It was annoying I couldn't use my income to show support of my Thai husband but that's just the way it is.

We originally applied where we live in Surat Thai but ended up finalising in nakhon si thammarat astthat's where his family is, house is etc. But job is in Surat thani.

Main thing if anyone applying as a farang female is your Thai husband needs income showing in bank account unless has own business then business accounts OK from what we were told.

If your future husband is more cash than salary you can find them being a bit difficult.

I do know from talking with the officials that theu do view different nationalities differently - no surprises there. Western farang females is UK USA Australia Canada no issues too hard, they seem to look at Chinese Indian differently.

It helped we are both professionals in corporate type work. And we had a temple wedding both families attending. My husband had already come to ausralia for 6 months to live before we got married so whem we were asked questions they seemed happy.

Main thing was the money support issue.

[Mario2008]

Then law is clear for applying for a spouse visa if female there are rules that apply for my husband to qualify to support me.

Totally different consideration to proving income to support Thai female if you are a farang male.

As the case of Thai man marrying farang female is not many there's a lot of differing opinion.

They were very suspicious about it all did I just want a visa etc.

It was annoying I couldn't use my income to show support of my Thai husband but that's just the way it is.

We originally applied where we live in Surat Thai but ended up finalising in nakhon si thammarat astthat's where his family is, house is etc. But job is in Surat thani.

Main thing if anyone applying as a farang female is your Thai husband needs income showing in bank account unless has own business then business accounts OK from what we were told.

If your future husband is more cash than salary you can find them being a bit difficult.

I do know from talking with the officials that theu do view different nationalities differently - no surprises there. Western farang females is UK USA Australia Canada no issues too hard, they seem to look at Chinese Indian differently.

It helped we are both professionals in corporate type work. And we had a temple wedding both families attending. My husband had already come to ausralia for 6 months to live before we got married so whem we were asked questions they seemed happy.

Main thing was the money support issue.

That office didn't follow the official rules. A Thai husband does not have to show any income to be allowed to live with his foreign wife in Thailand. The rules are very clear.

[RasiMike]

I married three years ago I'm Australian and my husband is Thai.

Whilst I didn't have to show financial records my husband did. And the threshold was the same - 40,000 per month. They also seemed to be a lot more interested in where we lived, his employer etc than friends (male) who married Thai females.

The main thing is in Thailand the husband of foreign or Thai nationality must show ability to support spouse for you to qualify for spouse visa.

We had issue that my husband receives most of his income as cash and as such doesn't bank it all - we had issues getting approved.

Lilyblue

Do you know if this is the case for all nationalities? One of our neighbours is married to a Korean lady who's husband certainly does not earn anywhere close to the 40K sum. In fact, the wife supports him and their teenage son.

[ubonjoe]

I married three years ago I'm Australian and my husband is Thai.

Whilst I didn't have to show financial records my husband did. And the threshold was the same - 40,000 per month. They also seemed to be a lot more interested in where we lived, his employer etc than friends (male) who married Thai females.

The main thing is in Thailand the husband of foreign or Thai nationality must show ability to support spouse for you to qualify for spouse visa.

We had issue that my husband receives most of his income as cash and as such doesn't bank it all - we had issues getting approved.

Lilyblue

Do you know if this is the case for all nationalities? One of our neighbours is married to a Korean lady who's husband certainly does not earn anywhere close to the 40K sum. In fact, the wife supports him and their teenage son.

It does not apply to any nationality. There is no requirement for a Thai husband to have any income for his foreign wife to apply for an extension.

That can be confirmed by looking at clause 2.18 of Police Order 327/2557 basis for extension of stay.

[rhodie]

By Thai tradition the husband supports their wife. That is the best explanation I can give. Some offices do ask the husband to provide some sort financial proof.

This unfortunate practice does exist in most, if not in practically all, western countries. Although they all write the word EQUALITY in capital letters on their flags, it is much more difficult for a foreign man married to a local woman to get a residence permit than for a foreign woman married to a local. Most countries will deny this, but in practice this is a fact

Any example in a modern western democracy? Maybe in the Arab world, but if anything, the trend is to discrimination of men. Of course anywhere in the world, money talks.

[Mario2008]

By Thai tradition the husband supports their wife. That is the best explanation I can give. Some offices do ask the husband to provide some sort financial proof.

This unfortunate practice does exist in most, if not in practically all, western countries. Although they all write the word EQUALITY in capital letters on their flags, it is much more difficult for a foreign man married to a local woman to get a residence permit than for a foreign woman married to a local. Most countries will deny this, but in practice this is a fact

Any example in a modern western democracy? Maybe in the Arab world, but if anything, the trend is to discrimination of men. Of course anywhere in the world, money talks.

Discrimination of Thai women.

The rules make it a lot more difficult for a Thai woman to start a family with a foreign male than for a Thai man to start a family with a foreign female.

[ColdSingha]

...considering there are practically no rights associated with this display and outlay of cash....the laws should absolutely be ammended...

...the right to bring your money over....put everything in your wife's name...and then be kicked to the curb.....

...end result...egomaniac 'victim' wives.....broken homes and families....and scarred children.....

...the focus has too easily become money...capital...assets....

...not marriage...family....love.......

..a partnership has to be equal...equal rights.....

...not a lopsided rendition.....

...as it stands now...the laws...and lack of them...perpetuate this gross...perverse...injustice...

...with foreign men often losing all...including the children.....

i don't think it's a visa requirement to put all your money in your spouse's name

[PoorSucker]

For all that crying equal rights,. 

They will never make it as easy for you as a male. 

Let the ladies have it as it is, don't bother me. 

When you complain, do you really except to get the same privilege as the ladies. 

Your complaint might end up with ladies must have same finances as men. 

Let's let the ladies alone. 

[Phuket Man]

Discrimination against Thai women. Simple as that.

 

A Thai man can live with his spouse with ease.

A Thai lady cannot.