Dengue fever spreading in Krabi

[fishbrando]

Stay stuck in your science and watch people die !

There are people out there who really "cure" diseases ... something your "science" rarely does !!!

Jonas Salk would have gotten a kick out of hearing this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Salk

[Johpa]

Viruses are pretty easy to "cure" ... as it's just a piece of information and not a living organism

the immune system can handle it quite well.

So all that's needed is a bit of help to the immune system.

As one with a compromised immune system, you seem to know little about the immune system and its difficulties in fighting any virus. That is not to say that your adaptive immune system is defenseless against a newly encountered virus, but it is a struggle that takes time for the body to mount a full defense and not everyone survives that interim period. And honestly, no amount of vitamin C is going to significantly speed up the time it takes for the immune system to respond with a full clonal expansion. Most people do survive dengue, and a few may get through with relative ease. But for many it is a very difficult and painful disease. And for a few it is terminal.

And why would you assume that a virus is not a living organism? It multiplies, it mutates and evolves relative to Darwinian forces no differently than more complex cellular organisms. Information may exist on a memory chip as a static alternative to entropy, but a virus is something all together different and far more complex.

[LawrenceN]

Why don't they just fog the place regularly like they do in Singapore, then there wouldn't be this problem. Also get rid of all the damn soi dogs at the same time.

Fog the dogs?

[LawrenceN]

An education campaign about stagnant water and hefty fines for any tiny place with stagnant water found on any site for the owner.

But education and Thailand - it does not go together…

Heavy fines are a ham-fisted approach (e.g. Singapore) and many people simply can't afford to pay so it will result in all sorts of other behaviour as people try to get off without paying...remember Thailand is the hub of bribery and corruption....and can you imagine any law enforcement agecy in Thailand getting round to inspecting properties for puddles???

However a good well produced all-year-round TV and media campaign could work if it changes te mindset and makes "harbouring" dengue an anti-social thing to do.

"Your neighbour's pond could kill your children"

- perhaps a bit bit strong, but you get my drift?

Maybe "Your pond could kill your neighbor's children" would be more effective. I can see my Thai neighbors shrugging and saying, "There's nothing I can do about my neighbor's pond," but I see them as compassionate toward children in general. Sorry it this seems like nit-picking. You have a good idea and I mean my suggestion lightly, tongue-in-cheek.

[Fullstop]

Brain..... Car or Motorsy....do you drive/ride daily?

Seems like "Brain" is reluctant to answer that question.

As suspected ... just another "Soapbox Hypocrite" blowing hot air.

[simple1]

As some of my Thai extended family in Pattaya have suffered from Dengue fever, especially the children, I'm interested in this topic. I did some research and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising. The use of papaya leaf compounds & development of vaccines may be complicated as there are four dengue virus serotypes.

In Australia there is a funded research program for developing a vaccine that indicates availability around 2020. Whether a vaccine can be developed that is affordable for those in affected areas in countries such as Thailand is an open question.

Edited June 19, 2015 by simple1

[cumgranosalum]

1. Chemicals are sprayed all the time

2. Simple Coconut oil is antibiotic and in combination with Vitamin C works

3. The lower leaves of a papaya tree work just fine [juice and drink] - Thai people gave me the tip and it works for them and for me !

... there is something much better but I am not allowed to write it in this forums due to the forum rules !!!

brian perhaps you can explain how an "antibiotic" can cure dengue?

Edited June 19, 2015 by cumgranosalum

[cumgranosalum]

As some of my Thai extended family in Pattaya have suffered from Dengue fever, especially the children, I'm interested in this topic. I did some research and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising. The use of papaya leaf compounds & development of vaccines may be complicated as there are four dengue virus serotypes.

In Australia there is a funded research program for developing a vaccine that indicates availability around 2020. Whether a vaccine can be developed that is affordable for those in affected areas in countries such as Thailand is an open question.

" and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising." - in short no there aren't........this kind of language is very misleading - "studies that are promising" - it actually means "there is no evidence "

if your research entails Googling then you need to be hyper-critical of any of the articles....when it comes down to it there is at present NOTHING that can demonstrate papaya as a treatment for Dengue.

of course if you ask you local Papaya growers association, you'll get a different spin altogether.

as for the vaccine, there are a lot of research programs going on, Thailand claimed a "breakthrough" last year or so ago....well they've gone a it quite now....thew main problem is that there are 4 or even5) types of dengue which makes a universal vaccine very difficult.....even potentially dangerous.....

[thaibeachlovers]

Why don't they just fog the place regularly like they do in Singapore, then there wouldn't be this problem. Also get rid of all the damn soi dogs at the same time.

Are you serious? Singapore is a pin prick on the world map. Singapore is almost completely developed with no natural water features and is easy to control, unlike Thailand with rivers and forest all over. I live next to a large swamp with drains running through it and a lake- how are they going to fog that?

The only way to stop dengue in LOS is to treat cases of dengue to remove the source, and they do need a campaign to educate people about the symptoms and make sure they get treated straight away.

[thaibeachlovers]

"In Indonesia, there are large signs all over the place, warning residents not to have stagnant water anywhere."

Ever seen a rice field? They don't grow rice in Indonesia?

555

Rice fields ain't stagnant Einstein.

Since when do mossies require stagnant water to breed? It just has to be still.

BTW, the swamp next door to me is stagnant. I think there are a lot of swamps in LOS.

[misterphil]

Why don't they just fog the place regularly like they do in Singapore, then there wouldn't be this problem. Also get rid of all the damn soi dogs at the same time.

Are you serious? Singapore is a pin prick on the world map. Singapore is almost completely developed with no natural water features and is easy to control, unlike Thailand with rivers and forest all over. I live next to a large swamp with drains running through it and a lake- how are they going to fog that?

The only way to stop dengue in LOS is to treat cases of dengue to remove the source, and they do need a campaign to educate people about the symptoms and make sure they get treated straight away.

Sorry to hear that you have to live near a swamp. Are you from Louisiana?

[simple1]

As some of my Thai extended family in Pattaya have suffered from Dengue fever, especially the children, I'm interested in this topic. I did some research and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising. The use of papaya leaf compounds & development of vaccines may be complicated as there are four dengue virus serotypes.

In Australia there is a funded research program for developing a vaccine that indicates availability around 2020. Whether a vaccine can be developed that is affordable for those in affected areas in countries such as Thailand is an open question.

" and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising." - in short no there aren't........this kind of language is very misleading - "studies that are promising" - it actually means "there is no evidence "

if your research entails Googling then you need to be hyper-critical of any of the articles....when it comes down to it there is at present NOTHING that can demonstrate papaya as a treatment for Dengue.

of course if you ask you local Papaya growers association, you'll get a different spin altogether.

as for the vaccine, there are a lot of research programs going on, Thailand claimed a "breakthrough" last year or so ago....well they've gone a it quite now....thew main problem is that there are 4 or even5) types of dengue which makes a universal vaccine very difficult.....even potentially dangerous.....

There are reviews e.g.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3614241/

http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/news/218558/papaya-leaf-extracts-cure-dengue-study

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/an-dengue-vaccine/4156196

http://www.globalvaccines.org/content/dengue+fever+vaccine+program/19615

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/research-puts-dengue-fever-vaccine-within-reach/story-e6frg8y6-1227157190856

[Fullstop]

"In Indonesia, there are large signs all over the place, warning residents not to have stagnant water anywhere."

Ever seen a rice field? They don't grow rice in Indonesia?

555

Rice fields ain't stagnant Einstein.

Since when do mossies require stagnant water to breed? It just has to be still.

BTW, the swamp next door to me is stagnant. I think there are a lot of swamps in LOS.

They don't ... but other animals (fish, fresh water crustaceans, water beetles, dragon fly nymphs etc) live in rice paddies and fresh water areas and eat the mozzie larvae.

[cumgranosalum]

"In Indonesia, there are large signs all over the place, warning residents not to have stagnant water anywhere."

Ever seen a rice field? They don't grow rice in Indonesia?

555

Rice fields ain't stagnant Einstein.

Since when do mossies require stagnant water to breed? It just has to be still.

BTW, the swamp next door to me is stagnant. I think there are a lot of swamps in LOS.

stagnant means "still"

[cumgranosalum]

As some of my Thai extended family in Pattaya have suffered from Dengue fever, especially the children, I'm interested in this topic. I did some research and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising. The use of papaya leaf compounds & development of vaccines may be complicated as there are four dengue virus serotypes.

In Australia there is a funded research program for developing a vaccine that indicates availability around 2020. Whether a vaccine can be developed that is affordable for those in affected areas in countries such as Thailand is an open question.

" and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising." - in short no there aren't........this kind of language is very misleading - "studies that are promising" - it actually means "there is no evidence "

if your research entails Googling then you need to be hyper-critical of any of the articles....when it comes down to it there is at present NOTHING that can demonstrate papaya as a treatment for Dengue.

of course if you ask you local Papaya growers association, you'll get a different spin altogether.

as for the vaccine, there are a lot of research programs going on, Thailand claimed a "breakthrough" last year or so ago....well they've gone a it quite now....thew main problem is that there are 4 or even5) types of dengue which makes a universal vaccine very difficult.....even potentially dangerous.....

There are reviews e.g.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3614241/

http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/news/218558/papaya-leaf-extracts-cure-dengue-study

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/an-dengue-vaccine/4156196

http://www.globalvaccines.org/content/dengue+fever+vaccine+program/19615

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/research-puts-dengue-fever-vaccine-within-reach/story-e6frg8y6-1227157190856

yopu realise that's exactly what I'm saying? none of these are definitive trials or "promising" and some are simply media reports.

you need to understand how a clinical trial works before you cite words like promising as if they are fact or even scientifically convincing.

irt doesn't matter how often it is SUGGESTED it doesn't become a serious proposition until it is demonstrated and repeated in proper (e.g. double blind)clinical trials.

As I've said before - "the plural of anecdote is not data"

sometimes it helps to stand back a little

- Dengue is a virus.....

if I told you that Papaya would cure AIDS (virus) or the common cold (virus) would you believe me?

Edited June 19, 2015 by cumgranosalum

[thaibeachlovers]

"In Indonesia, there are large signs all over the place, warning residents not to have stagnant water anywhere."

Ever seen a rice field? They don't grow rice in Indonesia?

555

Rice fields ain't stagnant Einstein.

Since when do mossies require stagnant water to breed? It just has to be still.

BTW, the swamp next door to me is stagnant. I think there are a lot of swamps in LOS.

stagnant means "still"

Just checked the dictionary and fair enough.

I always think of stagnant water as being a green colour from all the algae growing in it, and still water as being clear but not moving.

[simple1]

As some of my Thai extended family in Pattaya have suffered from Dengue fever, especially the children, I'm interested in this topic. I did some research and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising. The use of papaya leaf compounds & development of vaccines may be complicated as there are four dengue virus serotypes.

In Australia there is a funded research program for developing a vaccine that indicates availability around 2020. Whether a vaccine can be developed that is affordable for those in affected areas in countries such as Thailand is an open question.

" and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising." - in short no there aren't........this kind of language is very misleading - "studies that are promising" - it actually means "there is no evidence "

if your research entails Googling then you need to be hyper-critical of any of the articles....when it comes down to it there is at present NOTHING that can demonstrate papaya as a treatment for Dengue.

of course if you ask you local Papaya growers association, you'll get a different spin altogether.

as for the vaccine, there are a lot of research programs going on, Thailand claimed a "breakthrough" last year or so ago....well they've gone a it quite now....thew main problem is that there are 4 or even5) types of dengue which makes a universal vaccine very difficult.....even potentially dangerous.....

There are reviews e.g.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3614241/

http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/news/218558/papaya-leaf-extracts-cure-dengue-study

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/an-dengue-vaccine/4156196

http://www.globalvaccines.org/content/dengue+fever+vaccine+program/19615

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/research-puts-dengue-fever-vaccine-within-reach/story-e6frg8y6-1227157190856

yopu realise that's exactly what I'm saying? none of these are definitive trials or "promising" and some are simply media reports.

you need to understand how a clinical trial works before you cite words like promising as if they are fact or even scientifically convincing.

irt doesn't matter how often it is SUGGESTED it doesn't become a serious proposition until it is demonstrated and repeated in proper (e.g. double blind)clinical trials.

As I've said before - "the plural of anecdote is not data"

sometimes it helps to stand back a little

- Dengue is a virus.....

if I told you that Papaya would cure AIDS (virus) or the common cold (virus) would you believe me?

http://www.sanofipasteur.com/en/articles/the-new-england-journal-of-medicine-publishes-results-of-final-landmark-phase-III-efficacy-clinical-study-of-sanofi-pasteur-s-dengue-vaccine-candidate.aspx

[MoonShadow]

Why don't they just fog the place regularly like they do in Singapore, then there wouldn't be this problem. Also get rid of all the damn soi dogs at the same time.

Actually Singapore has and has always had a serious Dengue problem; they also have very good PR....just take a look at their own Government statistics here http://www.dengue.gov.sg/subject.asp?id=74 or just Google Dengue Fever-Singapore and look!!

Hmmmmmm, Strange how I've worked in Singapore many times before, and never even seen 1 mosquito. Also lived here for many years and seen 1000's of mosquito's.

I lived and worked in Singapore for 4 years.....you don't find them in airports or shopping malls or offices but pretty well every where else.....especially on and around construction sites.

[thaibeachlovers]

Why don't they just fog the place regularly like they do in Singapore, then there wouldn't be this problem. Also get rid of all the damn soi dogs at the same time.

Actually Singapore has and has always had a serious Dengue problem; they also have very good PR....just take a look at their own Government statistics here http://www.dengue.gov.sg/subject.asp?id=74 or just Google Dengue Fever-Singapore and look!!

Hmmmmmm, Strange how I've worked in Singapore many times before, and never even seen 1 mosquito. Also lived here for many years and seen 1000's of mosquito's.

I lived and worked in Singapore for 4 years.....you don't find them in airports or shopping malls or offices but pretty well every where else.....especially on and around construction sites.

I was with ANZUK, and there were never any mossies around the base, but they fogged just about every day.

Makes me laugh where I live in LOS when they come around to do the annual fogging- complete waste of time.

[cumgranosalum]

As some of my Thai extended family in Pattaya have suffered from Dengue fever, especially the children, I'm interested in this topic. I did some research and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising. The use of papaya leaf compounds & development of vaccines may be complicated as there are four dengue virus serotypes.

In Australia there is a funded research program for developing a vaccine that indicates availability around 2020. Whether a vaccine can be developed that is affordable for those in affected areas in countries such as Thailand is an open question.

" and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising." - in short no there aren't........this kind of language is very misleading - "studies that are promising" - it actually means "there is no evidence "

if your research entails Googling then you need to be hyper-critical of any of the articles....when it comes down to it there is at present NOTHING that can demonstrate papaya as a treatment for Dengue.

of course if you ask you local Papaya growers association, you'll get a different spin altogether.

as for the vaccine, there are a lot of research programs going on, Thailand claimed a "breakthrough" last year or so ago....well they've gone a it quite now....thew main problem is that there are 4 or even5) types of dengue which makes a universal vaccine very difficult.....even potentially dangerous.....

There are reviews e.g.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3614241/

http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/news/218558/papaya-leaf-extracts-cure-dengue-study

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/an-dengue-vaccine/4156196

http://www.globalvaccines.org/content/dengue+fever+vaccine+program/19615

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/research-puts-dengue-fever-vaccine-within-reach/story-e6frg8y6-1227157190856

yopu realise that's exactly what I'm saying? none of these are definitive trials or "promising" and some are simply media reports.

you need to understand how a clinical trial works before you cite words like promising as if they are fact or even scientifically convincing.

irt doesn't matter how often it is SUGGESTED it doesn't become a serious proposition until it is demonstrated and repeated in proper (e.g. double blind)clinical trials.

As I've said before - "the plural of anecdote is not data"

sometimes it helps to stand back a little

- Dengue is a virus.....

if I told you that Papaya would cure AIDS (virus) or the common cold (virus) would you believe me?

http://www.sanofipasteur.com/en/articles/the-new-england-journal-of-medicine-publishes-results-of-final-landmark-phase-III-efficacy-clinical-study-of-sanofi-pasteur-s-dengue-vaccine-candidate.aspx

I'm getting the impression you haven't read these papers.....this is still the press release by the company...although the tests look good (promising??) we are still awaiting peer review

The NEJ is a well respected journal and you saw my comments on vaccines ( the site you quote is that of the company itself - not NEJ)....the early reports (which you cited) were in 2012 and i said we are still waiting - I also explained what the problems were regarding the various strains. They said in the article dated 2014 that they would hope to be marketing by 2015............well they still have time...

it would also seem you seem that you are confusing 2 issues

firstly the eventual arrival of a vaccine....which will take time....and the possibility of Papaya as a cure

A vaccine is being take seriously - I have never disputed that but papaya is quite a different kettle of fish.

So rather than posting web addresses perhaps you'd like to actually articulate your viewpoint?

Edited June 19, 2015 by cumgranosalum

[misterphil]

Why don't they just fog the place regularly like they do in Singapore, then there wouldn't be this problem. Also get rid of all the damn soi dogs at the same time.

Actually Singapore has and has always had a serious Dengue problem; they also have very good PR....just take a look at their own Government statistics here http://www.dengue.gov.sg/subject.asp?id=74 or just Google Dengue Fever-Singapore and look!!

Hmmmmmm, Strange how I've worked in Singapore many times before, and never even seen 1 mosquito. Also lived here for many years and seen 1000's of mosquito's.

I lived and worked in Singapore for 4 years.....you don't find them in airports or shopping malls or offices but pretty well every where else.....especially on and around construction sites.

I worked in the shipyards and still never saw any.

[Fullstop]

"In Indonesia, there are large signs all over the place, warning residents not to have stagnant water anywhere."

Ever seen a rice field? They don't grow rice in Indonesia?

555

Rice fields ain't stagnant Einstein.

Since when do mossies require stagnant water to breed? It just has to be still.

BTW, the swamp next door to me is stagnant. I think there are a lot of swamps in LOS.

stagnant means "still"

That's one literal dictionary meaning. In nature it means "stiil water with heaps of micro-organisms" ... that mozzie lavae like to eat.

[cumgranosalum]

Rice fields ain't stagnant Einstein.

Since when do mossies require stagnant water to breed? It just has to be still.

BTW, the swamp next door to me is stagnant. I think there are a lot of swamps in LOS.

stagnant means "still"

That's one literal dictionary meaning. In nature it means "stiil water with heaps of micro-organisms" ... that mozzie lavae like to eat.

No sir, that's a non-scientific inference - it comes from the Latin for a pool which means still water.

when it comes to breeding mosquitoes, the key factor is lack of movement in the water...not how clean or dirty it is.......

Edited June 19, 2015 by cumgranosalum

[connda]

I've had it. Nasty stuff that I never want again.

[simple1]

As some of my Thai extended family in Pattaya have suffered from Dengue fever, especially the children, I'm interested in this topic. I did some research and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising. The use of papaya leaf compounds & development of vaccines may be complicated as there are four dengue virus serotypes.

In Australia there is a funded research program for developing a vaccine that indicates availability around 2020. Whether a vaccine can be developed that is affordable for those in affected areas in countries such as Thailand is an open question.

" and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising." - in short no there aren't........this kind of language is very misleading - "studies that are promising" - it actually means "there is no evidence "

if your research entails Googling then you need to be hyper-critical of any of the articles....when it comes down to it there is at present NOTHING that can demonstrate papaya as a treatment for Dengue.

of course if you ask you local Papaya growers association, you'll get a different spin altogether.

as for the vaccine, there are a lot of research programs going on, Thailand claimed a "breakthrough" last year or so ago....well they've gone a it quite now....thew main problem is that there are 4 or even5) types of dengue which makes a universal vaccine very difficult.....even potentially dangerous.....

There are reviews e.g.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3614241/

http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/news/218558/papaya-leaf-extracts-cure-dengue-study

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/an-dengue-vaccine/4156196

http://www.globalvaccines.org/content/dengue+fever+vaccine+program/19615

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/research-puts-dengue-fever-vaccine-within-reach/story-e6frg8y6-1227157190856

yopu realise that's exactly what I'm saying? none of these are definitive trials or "promising" and some are simply media reports.

you need to understand how a clinical trial works before you cite words like promising as if they are fact or even scientifically convincing.

irt doesn't matter how often it is SUGGESTED it doesn't become a serious proposition until it is demonstrated and repeated in proper (e.g. double blind)clinical trials.

As I've said before - "the plural of anecdote is not data"

sometimes it helps to stand back a little

- Dengue is a virus.....

if I told you that Papaya would cure AIDS (virus) or the common cold (virus) would you believe me?

http://www.sanofipasteur.com/en/articles/the-new-england-journal-of-medicine-publishes-results-of-final-landmark-phase-III-efficacy-clinical-study-of-sanofi-pasteur-s-dengue-vaccine-candidate.aspx

I'm getting the impression you haven't read these papers.....this is still the press release by the company...although the tests look good (promising??) we are still awaiting peer review

The NEJ is a well respected journal and you saw my comments on vaccines ( the site you quote is that of the company itself - not NEJ)....the early reports (which you cited) were in 2012 and i said we are still waiting - I also explained what the problems were regarding the various strains. They said in the article dated 2014 that they would hope to be marketing by 2015............well they still have time...

it would also seem you seem that you are confusing 2 issues

firstly the eventual arrival of a vaccine....which will take time....and the possibility of Papaya as a cure

A vaccine is being take seriously - I have never disputed that but papaya is quite a different kettle of fish.

So rather than posting web addresses perhaps you'd like to actually articulate your viewpoint?

There is research into the use of papaya leaf as a potential source product in Malaysia and one or two other countries. From my reading in some of the links there is progress being made on treating low platelet count in dengue fever, how long it will take to prove or disprove the benefits I don't know. The use of papaya has proven to be very helpful in some other medical applications e.g. Chymopapain injections

[ukrules]

I have not seen enough diligence in respect to making sure there is no still water in many places around Thailand - so this is not a surprise.

Considering 100 mosquito eggs can hatch from something as small as a soft drink bottle cap containing water there's no way they will ever be stopped.

[cumgranosalum]

yopu realise that's exactly what I'm saying? none of these are definitive trials or "promising" and some are simply media reports.

toms that are promising. The use of papaya leaf compounds & development of vaccines may be complicated as there are four dengue virus serotypes.

In Australia there is a funded research program for developing a vaccine that indicates availability around 2020. Whether a vaccine can be developed that is affordable for those in affected areas in countries such as Thailand is an open question.

" and there are studies into the use of papaya leaves to address the symptoms that are promising." - in short no there aren't........this kind of language is very misleading - "studies that are promising" - it actually means "there is no evidence "

if your research entails Googling then you need to be hyper-critical of any of the articles....when it comes down to it there is at present NOTHING that can demonstrate papaya as a treatment for Dengue.

of course if you ask you local Papaya growers association, you'll get a different spin altogether.

as for the vaccine, there are a lot of research programs going on, Thailand claimed a "breakthrough" last year or so ago....well they've gone a it quite now....thew main problem is that there are 4 or even5) types of dengue which makes a universal vaccine very difficult.....even potentially dangerous.....

There are reviews e.g.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3614241/

http://www.biospectrumasia.com/biospectrum/news/218558/papaya-leaf-extracts-cure-dengue-study

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-26/an-dengue-vaccine/4156196

http://www.globalvaccines.org/content/dengue+fever+vaccine+program/19615

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/research-puts-dengue-fever-vaccine-within-reach/story-e6frg8y6-1227157190856

you need to understand how a clinical trial works before you cite words like promising as if they are fact or even scientifically convincing.

irt doesn't matter how often it is SUGGESTED it doesn't become a serious proposition until it is demonstrated and repeated in proper (e.g. double blind)clinical trials.

As I've said before - "the plural of anecdote is not data"

sometimes it helps to stand back a little

- Dengue is a virus.....

if I told you that Papaya would cure AIDS (virus) or the common cold (virus) would you believe me?

http://www.sanofipasteur.com/en/articles/the-new-england-journal-of-medicine-publishes-results-of-final-landmark-phase-III-efficacy-clinical-study-of-sanofi-pasteur-s-dengue-vaccine-candidate.aspx

I'm getting the impression you haven't read these papers.....this is still the press release by the company...although the tests look good (promising??) we are still awaiting peer review

The NEJ is a well respected journal and you saw my comments on vaccines ( the site you quote is that of the company itself - not NEJ)....the early reports (which you cited) were in 2012 and i said we are still waiting - I also explained what the problems were regarding the various strains. They said in the article dated 2014 that they would hope to be marketing by 2015............well they still have time...

it would also seem you seem that you are confusing 2 issues

firstly the eventual arrival of a vaccine....which will take time....and the possibility of Papaya as a cure

A vaccine is being take seriously - I have never disputed that but papaya is quite a different kettle of fish.

So rather than posting web addresses perhaps you'd like to actually articulate your viewpoint?

There is research into the use of papaya leaf as a potential source product in Malaysia and one or two other countries. From my reading in some of the links there is progress being made on treating low platelet count in dengue fever, how long it will take to prove or disprove the benefits I don't know. The use of papaya has proven to be very helpful in some other medical applications e.g. Chymopapain injections

This is my problem with this - it is NOT a double blind trial and is not peer reviewed as far as I'm aware - you are just googling for headlines that you think might support your idea....real research the research comes first and the idea or conclusion comes AFTER>..........As for the Malaysian thing; that's what they are claiming but it is not peer reviewed as yet. Furthermore it is worth bearing in mind that Dengue lasts for about 5 days....so many claims about platelets are in fact just what one would expect with no treatment.....

however you aren't actually addressing any of the points I was making, just throwing up web addresses without making any point at all...you seem to think that because it's on the net it must be true.......

as said none of these trials or whatever have shown convincingly that papaya has any effect.........

Edited June 19, 2015 by cumgranosalum

[Jimlove]

Just another reason to avoid Crappi

[SiSePuede419]

"Rice grows best under stagnant water conditions"

https://books.google.com/books?id=XKSDBTBz1fkC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=rice+grows+best+stagnant+water&source=bl&ots=3W7SKkN6FL&sig=GerPsQ_or1OdBCPqCFdLmwdoIBg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=X1CEVdmLLYLz-QGguIGACg&ved=0CBUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=rice%20grows%20best%20stagnant%20water&f=false

Standing water = mosquito eggs. Ask any Thai who's grown rice in paddies and they will tell you about the mosquito's.

You're ignorant and uneducated.

I can tell most of the posters here have never cultivated food in their entire lives. No doubt you grew up in cities and suburbs and think food comes from Big C, 555.

You should publically apologize to the Thai people for your Ignorance regarding their #1 Food source.

Your suggestion of getting rid of standing water would mean the end of rice production in Thailand.

Go back to your barstools in the red light districts and continue to be out of touch with nature and Thai culture, 555

Edited June 19, 2015 by SiSePuede419

[cumgranosalum]

"Rice grows best under stagnant water conditions"

https://books.google.com/books?id=XKSDBTBz1fkC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=rice+grows+best+stagnant+water&source=bl&ots=3W7SKkN6FL&sig=GerPsQ_or1OdBCPqCFdLmwdoIBg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=X1CEVdmLLYLz-QGguIGACg&ved=0CBUQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=rice%20grows%20best%20stagnant%20water&f=false

Standing water = mosquito eggs. Ask any Thai who's grown rice in paddies and they will tell you about the mosquito's.

You're ignorant and uneducated.

I can tell most of the posters here have never cultivated food in their entire lives. No doubt you grew up in cities and suburbs and think food comes from Big C, 555.

You should publically apologize to the Thai people for your Ignorance regarding their #1 Food source.

Your suggestion of getting rid of standing water would mean the end of rice production in Thailand.

Go back to your barstools in the red light districts and continue to be out of touch with nature and Thai culture, 555

The water being referred to is n the tiny pools that accumulate in things like old car tires, flowerpots etc....this is quite enough for the Aedes mosquito to use for breeding. ...and why it is so successful in urban areas.

As I understand it the eggs are laid above the waterline and any slight increase in water results in the larvae hatching out.

Larger bodies of water usually have fish or other predators which at least keep the population levels down if to eradicate them and the lower population density makes transmission more difficult.

Mosquitoes are a important part of the food chain. - they ca never be completely eradicated so other approaches are needed;

Making the mosquito incapable of carrying or transmitting the virus is one, making the males sterile is being tried with genetic modification.....

The other is the risk of transmission of the virus is higher in denser populations - ie cities.....the mosquito has to bite an infected person and then bite another person and successfully inject the virus.

Therefore in rural areas dengue is less easily transmitted.

Only the females need blood

Their flight range is usually less than 200 meters

They have a limited adult lifespan - 2 to 4 weeks

Dengue isn't the only disease they can transmit.

not all mosquitoes are Dengue carriers (aedes)