webfact Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Prayuth: Thai Fugitive Lese Majeste Suspect 'Not a Thai'By Khaosod EnglishBANGKOK — Junta chairman Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha has asserted that a fugitive Redshirt activist wanted by Thai authorities for insulting the monarchy is no longer a Thai citizen."Since he fled this country to another, it shows that he is no longer a Thai person, and he cannot stay in Thailand," Gen. Prayuth said, referring to Ekapop Luera, a former student activist who says he is currently living in New Zealand to avoid prosecution for defaming the monarchy, a crime known as lese majeste.Nevertheless, Gen. Prayuth said his government is still attempting to extradite Ekapop, but admitted that there has been no response from the New Zealand government concerning the request."At this moment, New Zealand has not given us any reply at all," Gen. Prayuth told reporters. "Sometimes, it's hard for [other countries] to understand when it comes to extradition, because they don't have this law. Mostly, they use human rights laws. But our country's law is our country's law."Thailand’s lese majeste law, the harshest of its kind in the world, bans any action or comment deemed critical of the monarchy and carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison.Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/detail.php?newsid=1434705013 -- Khaosod English 2015-06-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOC Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 >> "At this moment, New Zealand has not given us any reply at all," Gen. Prayuth told reporters. "Sometimes, it's hard for [other countries] to understand when it comes to extradition, because they don't have this law. Mostly, they use human rights laws. But our country's law is our country's law."<< Quote "Mostly they have human rights laws" Yes what a disgrace!! When we have LM and Article 44................ Seriously Mr. P sometimes it is a good idea to keep the gob shut!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOC Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 >>Nevertheless, Gen. Prayuth said his government is still attempting to extradite Ekapop, but admitted that there has been no response from the New Zealand government concerning the request.<< Quote No response from NZ, what a surprise. Maybe it is because the NZ government believe in the freedom of speech?? (Google it Mr P) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 "he is no longer a Thai person, and he cannot stay in Thailand" If he no longer can stay in Thailand how does that extradition work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Many countries, including the UK, have LM laws on their law books, most of them do not use them as political weapons. The Junta's insistence of pursuing their idealogical opponents on LM charges only enhances the victim's claim for asylum. The reason they are not getting a reply from countries like New Zealand is the folk whose job it is to reply have not stopped laughing at the request. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOC Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 "At this moment, New Zealand has not given us any reply at all," Gen. Prayuth told reporters. " Please, please NZ reply, and tell the Thais to stuff their outdated and draconian LM law!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is not lawfully possible to do this, according to a UN Convention?! ...but hey, this is Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackcab Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Many countries, including the UK, have LM laws on their law books, most of them do not use them as political weapons. The Junta's insistence of pursuing their idealogical opponents on LM charges only enhances the victim's claim for asylum. The reason they are not getting a reply from countries like New Zealand is the folk whose job it is to reply have not stopped laughing at the request. The UK doesn't currently have a LM law. Scotland used to have one, but not anymore. The UK does have a law about offending people, but that applies to everyone, not just royalty. If the UK had a LM law then Spitting Image would never have been aired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew65 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is not lawfully possible to do this, according to a UN Convention?! ...but hey, this is Thailand! Article 15.(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it is not lawfully possible to do this, according to a UN Convention?! ...but hey, this is Thailand! Article 15.(1) Everyone has the right to a nationality. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality But a simple sentence from the PM can remove someone's birthright ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alocacoc Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 They got already a new Passport from New Zealand. So what now P. ? And i thought Kim is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Booooh- farking - hoooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 I actually LIKE the General/PM/Dingbat! Everyday he opens his mouth and give me something to laugh about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 "he is no longer a Thai person, and he cannot stay in Thailand" If he no longer can stay in Thailand how does that extradition work? my logic sector just got a shortcut..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Many countries, including the UK, have LM laws on their law books, most of them do not use them as political weapons. The Junta's insistence of pursuing their idealogical opponents on LM charges only enhances the victim's claim for asylum. The reason they are not getting a reply from countries like New Zealand is the folk whose job it is to reply have not stopped laughing at the request. The UK doesn't currently have a LM law. Scotland used to have one, but not anymore. The UK does have a law about offending people, but that applies to everyone, not just royalty. If the UK had a LM law then Spitting Image would never have been aired. yes other laws like for hate speech, causing civil unrest, etc. If jokes about the royal family would be illegal they would have to jail half UK. On the other hand...what did the British Queen ever do for the people and how many people would listen when she speaks something..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegee Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Another good example of Thais making themselves lose face to the rest of the world and being stupidly oblivious to it. The only possible reason I can see they've made such a fool of themselves is because - as usual - this story is actually purely Thai-centric (a misguided attempt at control of the Thai population still in Thailand) and the outside world is merely a tool to use or abuse as is the Buddha-given right for all Thai thugs, thieves, liars and scammers. And another thing: "Sometimes, it's hard for [other countries] to understand when it comes to extradition, because they don't have this law." No sir, it's actually hard for YOU to understand that we understand and reject it because it is IMMORAL and UNCIVILIZED. It seems to be what jumped up, glorified, rice-picking peasants do as well as calling people 'farang' based on their race. "...our country's law is our country's law." In other words, they have no reasonable justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djjamie Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) If anyone saw the speech he made attacking the monarchy they would agree he should be arrested for poor taste and lack of tact. LM laws aside. But then that is a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law and even more predictable is his attitude towards this. He cannot simply live in NZ, he has to stir and push the Junta which is a famous RS trait that follows breaking the law. At the end of the day he broke the law and so he does the famous RS trick of running as fast as you can away from accountability. So we have France, Dubai and now New Zealand as red shirt havens. We should have bets on which country the next red shirt terrorist will hide in? Edited June 19, 2015 by djjamie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) If anyone saw the speech he made attacking the monarchy they would agree he should be arrested for poor taste and lack of tact. LM laws aside. But then that is a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law. He broke it and so he does the famous RS trick of running as fast as you can away from accountability. So we have France, Dubia and now New Zealand as red shirt havens. We should have bets on which country the next red shirt terrorist will hide in? You should also be arrested for encouraging members to illegally gamble, then. Yours is clearly also a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law... Edited June 19, 2015 by baboon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djjamie Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 If anyone saw the speech he made attacking the monarchy they would agree he should be arrested for poor taste and lack of tact. LM laws aside. But then that is a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law. He broke it and so he does the famous RS trick of running as fast as you can away from accountability. So we have France, Dubia and now New Zealand as red shirt havens. We should have bets on which country the next red shirt terrorist will hide in? You should also be arrested for encouraging members to illegally gamble, then. Yours is clearly also a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law... If that is your best rebuttal I automatically win the argument. Thank you my dear friend for admitting defeat. Never read the speech I gather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Not sure how you remove someone's citizenship.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 If anyone saw the speech he made attacking the monarchy they would agree he should be arrested for poor taste and lack of tact. LM laws aside. But then that is a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law and even more predictable is his attitude towards this. He cannot simply live in NZ, he has to stir and push the Junta which is a famous RS trait that follows breaking the law. At the end of the day he broke the law and so he does the famous RS trick of running as fast as you can away from accountability. So we have France, Dubai and now New Zealand as red shirt havens. We should have bets on which country the next red shirt terrorist will hide in? Talking of bets, do you think we should start offering odds on when you're going to answer any questions on where you get your percentage figures from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 If anyone saw the speech he made attacking the monarchy they would agree he should be arrested for poor taste and lack of tact. LM laws aside. But then that is a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law. He broke it and so he does the famous RS trick of running as fast as you can away from accountability. So we have France, Dubia and now New Zealand as red shirt havens. We should have bets on which country the next red shirt terrorist will hide in? You should also be arrested for encouraging members to illegally gamble, then. Yours is clearly also a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law... If that is your best rebuttal I automatically win the argument.Thank you my dear friend for admitting defeat. Never read the speech I gather. You didn't make any argument, you just stated your opinion. What you did do however, was encourage wagering which is against the law. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djjamie Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 If anyone saw the speech he made attacking the monarchy they would agree he should be arrested for poor taste and lack of tact. LM laws aside. But then that is a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law. He broke it and so he does the famous RS trick of running as fast as you can away from accountability. So we have France, Dubia and now New Zealand as red shirt havens. We should have bets on which country the next red shirt terrorist will hide in? You should also be arrested for encouraging members to illegally gamble, then. Yours is clearly also a predictable 7%'er attitude towards Thai law... If that is your best rebuttal I automatically win the argument.Thank you my dear friend for admitting defeat. Never read the speech I gather. You didn't make any argument, you just stated your opinion. What you did do however, was encourage wagering which is against the law. End of story. Goodness me my dear friend..Joining the dots was not your strong point in primary school hey? If anyone saw the speech he made attacking the monarchy they would agree he should be arrested for poor taste and lack of tact. LM laws aside. So to spell it out AGAIN!!! My argument is he should be arrested for poor taste and lack of tact despite the LM laws... Do you honestly not see what I was saying or are you just trying to get your post count up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BirdsandBooze Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Many countries, including the UK, have LM laws on their law books, most of them do not use them as political weapons. The Junta's insistence of pursuing their idealogical opponents on LM charges only enhances the victim's claim for asylum. The reason they are not getting a reply from countries like New Zealand is the folk whose job it is to reply have not stopped laughing at the request. The UK doesn't currently have a LM law. Scotland used to have one, but not anymore.The UK does have a law about offending people, but that applies to everyone, not just royalty. If the UK had a LM law then Spitting Image would never have been aired. yes other laws like for hate speech, causing civil unrest, etc. If jokes about the royal family would be illegal they would have to jail half UK. On the other hand...what did the British Queen ever do for the people and how many people would listen when she speaks something..... You do know that the lese majeste law here also protects foreign monarchs and their Regents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Is poor taste and lack of tact against the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 (edited) Many countries, including the UK, have LM laws on their law books, most of them do not use them as political weapons. The Junta's insistence of pursuing their idealogical opponents on LM charges only enhances the victim's claim for asylum. The reason they are not getting a reply from countries like New Zealand is the folk whose job it is to reply have not stopped laughing at the request. The UK doesn't currently have a LM law. Scotland used to have one, but not anymore.The UK does have a law about offending people, but that applies to everyone, not just royalty. If the UK had a LM law then Spitting Image would never have been aired. yes other laws like for hate speech, causing civil unrest, etc. If jokes about the royal family would be illegal they would have to jail half UK. On the other hand...what did the British Queen ever do for the people and how many people would listen when she speaks something..... Well for the last 60 odd years she has been an effective and well regarded monarch, who has acted as a non political head of state. She remains a well respected, well loved even, non political leader.I thought hard about the term leader, because I know it can be translated as Fuhrer, and that does have unfortunate connotations. But then I thought " b*ll*cks", if he is going to have a pop at Her Majesty, why not? Edited June 19, 2015 by JAG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just1Voice Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Is poor taste and lack of tact against the law? Only in N. Korea and Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djjamie Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Is poor taste and lack of tact against the law? An articulate rebuttal is not your strong point is it? Send me a PM with what this guy said and tell me how it would be an acceptable speech anywhere in the world. I bet you can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Is poor taste and lack of tact against the law?An articulate rebuttal is not your strong point is it? Send me a PM with what this guy said and tell me how it would be an acceptable speech anywhere in the world. I bet you can't. So the answer is no and you are talking crap as usual. Do you think for even an instant I would have any interest in communicating with you privately for any reason whatsoever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdoglover Posted June 19, 2015 Share Posted June 19, 2015 Is poor taste and lack of tact against the law?An articulate rebuttal is not your strong point is it? Send me a PM with what this guy said and tell me how it would be an acceptable speech anywhere in the world. I bet you can't. In the US, giving speeches about the President that are in poor taste and show lack of tact will not get you arrested, and may get you invited to repeat the performance in front of other detractors. We're like an online forum! Oh, consider your dumb point rebutted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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