Complete mess !

[berybert]

Just in need of some info.

My retirement extension runs out on the 12th of September and I will not have 800 thousand baht 3 months prior to this.

My re-entry permit is valid until the 15th of December.

I expect to be back in Thailand in mid October, this is after my retirement visa will have expired so I guess I will need to go thru the procedure to get another visa.

So will I need to apply for 30-60 day visa then leave the country before I can reapply or will the re-entry permit survice ?

[Lite Beer]

Your Re Entry Permit expires on the same date as your extension of stay.

Best way is to arrive in Thailand with a Non Imm O Visa and extend your stay for 12 months.

IE start again.

[KhunBENQ]

I am also quite confused by your numbers.

How can one get a re-entry permit valid longer than the extension of stay?

Anyway, if this is in fact true:

My retirement extension runs out on the 12th of September and I will not have 800 thousand baht 3 months prior to this.

then you have to "restart".

A preferred method is applying for a new single Non O in your home country before reentering Thailand.

Two months after the reentry (assuming you have the financials in order then) apply for a new retirement extension for one year.

No big mess.

(overlapping with Lite Beers answer)

Edited June 21, 2015 by KhunBENQ

[KhunBENQ]

More precise:

After reentering Thailand with the Non O you can apply as soon as the financials are in order.

No need to wait if you don't fancy so.

And: the money has to be in the account for 60 days only (as it is a new/first application).

Edited June 21, 2015 by KhunBENQ

[berybert]

OK thanks. Getting the money sorted is no problem. I wasn't expecting to come back as soon as looks likely.

I may even return next month so that would negate the bother of getting a tourist visa I guess. Could I then sort out a new retirement visa while the old one is still active ? Now you can see where the mess comes in.

[KhunBENQ]

You can leave and reenter without a new visa before Sep 12 assuming you have a valid re-entry permit.

Anyday before Sep 12 is OK and then rush to the immigration to get the new extension (which will start from Sep 12 then).

Valid re-entry permit:

this is the real "mess' in your post. Something is wrong here.

Do you really have a stamp with an extension to stay until 12 Sep 2015 AND a re-entry permit valid until 15 Dec 2015???

Legally impossible. Either a mishap/wrong stamp or you have a real good explanation for that.

BUT: if you don't have the 800k in the bank now (less than 3 months to Sep 12 and no income/pension etc,) then this can not work!

Better restart with a new Non O.

Edited June 21, 2015 by KhunBENQ

[berybert]

You can leave and reenter without a new visa before Sep 12 assuming you have a valid re-entry permit.

Anyday before Sep 12 is OK and then rush to the immigration to get the new extension (which will start from Sep 12 then).

Valid re-entry permit:

this is the real "mess' in your post. Something is wrong here.

Do you really have a stamp with an extension to stay until 12 Sep 2015 AND a re-entry permit valid until 15 Dec 2015???

Legally impossible. Either a mishap/wrong stamp or you have a real good explanation for that.

BUT: if you don't have the 800k in the bank now (less than 3 months to Sep 12 and no income/pension etc,) then this can not work!

Better restart with a new Non O.

Yes I left Thailand on the 13 of May. I have my passport in front of me and it has a re-entry permit which is stamped... Valid until 10 Dec 2015.

8 months from date of issue, so it doesn't make much sense.

So it looks like I shall have to redo a Non O visa.

[ubonjoe]

It appears they stamped the wrong date on your re-entry permit.

Do you have any income you could combine with the money in the bank to reach 800k baht or more. With a combination of income and money in the bank there is no written requirement for the money to be in the bank for 3 months.

[berybert]

It appears they stamped the wrong date on your re-entry permit.

Do you have any income you could combine with the money in the bank to reach 800k baht or more. With a combination of income and money in the bank there is no written requirement for the money to be in the bank for 3 months.

Sorry Joe just seen your message.

I was letting my house out which was paying me to be in Thailand on the retirement.

I am now back in the house and will re let it either August or September so I wont be able to go that route.

I don't mind starting the visa from scratch, just really after the info of knowing what to do.

Would I need to get a 30 day visa or 60 or double entry etc ?

I will be able to put about 1 million in my bank account there for 2 months before I redo it.

Cheers.

[Maestro]

Going fora visa-exempt entry is risky because the airline could refuse you boarding without an onward airline ticket out of Thailand within 30 days from arrival.

If on the date of application for the visa you can show proof of the equivalent of 800k Baht in a bank account anywhere in the world, you should be able to get a single-entry non-O visa for travelling to Thailand to apply for a retirement extension in Thailand.

Alternatively, you can apply for a tourist visa for one or two entries, depending on how long it will take you to increase the balance in your Thai bank to 800k, then in Thailand get a change of visa to non-O (fee 2,000 Baht) and subsequently apply for the one-year retirement extension.

[TheAppletons]

Going fora visa-exempt entry is risky because the airline could refuse you boarding without an onward airline ticket out of Thailand within 30 days from arrival.

If on the date of application for the visa you can show proof of the equivalent of 800k Baht in a bank account anywhere in the world, you should be able to get a single-entry non-O visa for travelling to Thailand to apply for a retirement extension in Thailand.

Alternatively, you can apply for a tourist visa for one or two entries, depending on how long it will take you to increase the balance in your Thai bank to 800k, then in Thailand get a change of visa to non-O (fee 2,000 Baht) and subsequently apply for the one-year retirement extension.

Then he shows them the re-entry permit with the 10 December date. Airlines aren't immigration experts. (Can you tell that it irritates the hell out of me that airlines involve themselves in something in which they have no expertise?)

[bigt3116]

Going fora visa-exempt entry is risky because the airline could refuse you boarding without an onward airline ticket out of Thailand within 30 days from arrival.

If on the date of application for the visa you can show proof of the equivalent of 800k Baht in a bank account anywhere in the world, you should be able to get a single-entry non-O visa for travelling to Thailand to apply for a retirement extension in Thailand.

Alternatively, you can apply for a tourist visa for one or two entries, depending on how long it will take you to increase the balance in your Thai bank to 800k, then in Thailand get a change of visa to non-O (fee 2,000 Baht) and subsequently apply for the one-year retirement extension.

Then he shows them the re-entry permit with the 10 December date. Airlines aren't immigration experts. (Can you tell that it irritates the hell out of me that airlines involve themselves in something in which they have no expertise?)

Airlines involve themselves because THEY are responsible for flying you back out of the country if they let you board with the incorrect paperwork.

[TheAppletons]

Then he shows them the re-entry permit with the 10 December date. Airlines aren't immigration experts. (Can you tell that it irritates the hell out of me that airlines involve themselves in something in which they have no expertise?)

Airlines involve themselves because THEY are responsible for flying you back out of the country if they let you board with the incorrect paperwork.

I know why they do it and all too often they are clueless about what they are looking at and have no idea as to the vagaries of a particular country's immigration policy. So they can "involve" themselves all they want but they have no authority to do so and often times don't know what they are doing.

I can cite numerous examples where - because of the type of work I was doing and country treaties - I didn't require a visa to enter a country and remain there. Even when I explained the situation to the airline rep - who has no formal training or expertise in the immigration laws of all 196 countries on the planet (who does?) - that person is not allowed to think for themselves or apply common sense.

Great update, though, thanks.