Prayut may or may not discuss Camronwit during Japan visit

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Prayut may or may not discuss Camronwit during Japan visit
The Nation

BANGKOK: -- IT REMAINS to be seen whether Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha will discuss the case of former police chief Pol Lt-General Camronwit Thoopkrajang during his visit to Japan, Foreign Minister General Tanasak Patimapragorn said yesterday.

Camronwit is currently being prosecuted in Japan for carrying a firearm while trying to board a flight back to Thailand.

"We need to analyse the stance of Japanese authorities at the Mekong-Japan Summit on Saturday, or assess the situation before deciding whether the issue should be raised eventually," he said.

Tanasak said the Foreign Ministry was in the process of helping Camronwit, as it would with any Thai traveller facing problems overseas.

"And if or when the case is decided against him, a request for his temporary release on bail will be made according to Japan's legal system," he added.

Pol Maj-General Aphichart Suribunya, chief of the Police Foreign Affairs Division, said Camronwit could possibly face further imprisonment in Thailand if the Japanese court finds him guilty of carrying the handgun without permission after he has served a third of his sentence in Japan.

Aphichart said he preferred not to comment on the pending verdict, saying it could be deemed contempt of court.

Meanwhile, one of Camronwit's interviews has been circulating Thai social media in which he talks about his four favourite handguns, including the North American Arms 0.22 calibre revolver he was caught with in Japan.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/national/Prayut-may-or-may-not-discuss-Camronwit-during-Jap-30263369.html


-- The Nation 2015-06-30

[davehowden]

"Prayut may or may not discuss Camronwit during Japan visit"

Startling news indeed!

[tominbkk]

Why would they care what Prayut has to say about it?

[ezzra]

Will he or won't he? who are you kidding? of course he will.... and anyone who think otherwise

is only deluding him self... here you have a Thai general sitting in jail, and another Thai ,brother

general will not intervene on his behalf?.....

[lujanit]

Camronwit is guilty of an international offence, attempting to bring a loaded weapon onto a commercial flight. No attempt of the continuing BS by Camronwit and his son can change the facts. The Japanese have no choice but to jail him for 10 years as their law dictates. Any less sentence is a total cop out and would result in an enormous loss of face for the Japanese. Also it would tell the world that Japan consider passenger and airplane are not their number one priority when it comes to air travel.

[LannaGuy]

the suspense... will he? won't he? the world is waiting with baited breath... will it make CNN? BBC? will HE ask?

only time will tell folks...

[jaidam]

I am having trouble understanding why Prayuth feels compelled to throw the entire Thai civil aviation sector, airport screening, firearms licensing departments, police force and department of common sense under the bus just to save a fellow general that committed a serious crime abroad. Millions will lose face and credibility to save the face of the potential hijacker Camronwit. Disgraceful and utterly unforgivable, Prayuth's position on this saga should be that he wants to see justice carried out without interference. Period.

[Tatsujin]

I am having trouble understanding why Prayuth feels compelled to throw the entire Thai civil aviation sector, airport screening, firearms licensing departments, police force and department of common sense under the bus just to save a fellow general that committed a serious crime abroad. Millions will lose face and credibility to save the face of the potential hijacker Camronwit. Disgraceful and utterly unforgivable, Prayuth's position on this saga should be that he wants to see justice carried out without interference. Period.

Prayuth and Thailand are not well regarded in Japan currently, kind of like an errant, wilful child, and not long ago Prayuth was "summoned" (immediately) to go meet with their PM where he had the way things work reminded to him.

Bottom line, (despite what the Thai's claim) Camronwit brought his own gun from Thailand, to Japan, breaking a whole host of laws (all of which he was fully aware of and thought he could ignore because of who he is). He won't be getting any help from Thailand, aside from some feeble public attempts that won't achieve anything.

Thailand has pissed off Japan a little too much over the past few years, and their new cosy relationship with China is not sitting well. I'm sure they will be given a choice very soon ... keep the Japanese auto industry and investment and cut back on ties with China, or they move to another neighboring country who will welcome them with wide open arms.

[Manbing]

Fascinating, he may or may not eat sushi, visit a geisha or take a long sh!t.

The world waits with baited breathe.

[ChrisY1]

Will he or won't he? who are you kidding? of course he will.... and anyone who think otherwise

is only deluding him self... here you have a Thai general sitting in jail, and another Thai ,brother

general will not intervene on his behalf?.....

The one in the can is a policeman with a close association with the exile.....the other is an army general with close assocition with the elite...not the closest of buddies I would imagine!

[Yunla]

I have the same dilemma when I approach the chocolates aisle in Tescos. It is always too soon to issue a clear statement of intent.

[DP25]

Will he or won't he? who are you kidding? of course he will.... and anyone who think otherwise

is only deluding him self... here you have a Thai general sitting in jail, and another Thai ,brother

general will not intervene on his behalf?.....

The guy arrested in Japan is a POLICE general. Not a military general. The POLICE general is a staunch, long time Thaksin ally who was appointed by Thaksin and has used his power to help Thaksin every chance he gets. If you haven't noticed, the current government is not friends with Thaksin, they aren't going to be using their influence to help Thaksin's buddy get out of trouble.

[siddv]

I guess it will depend on whether or not the Japanese press knows how to ask the right questions... Perhaps they will need to be schooled with the rest of the world press!!

[halloween]

I hope the discussion is brief, the general expressing his view in 2 words of 4 and 3 letters, in that order.

[Srikcir]

Prayut should take note of how the Japanese can arrest someone of a crime using their own "organic" laws without having to resort to absolute power.

Japan is a REAL democratic constitutional monarchy with REAL democratic soldiers.

The 1947 Japanese constitution holds that the people, acting through the elected Diet, were supreme. Unlike Prayut who holds himself supreme. The Japanese new constitution took four months to write and was passed by an elected Diet (aka "parliament").

Prayut would do well to remain silent about Japan's due process of law.

[BestBitterPhuket]

Prayuth should NOT interfere in the Japanese judicial process. Thailand doesn't like foreigners interfering in Thailand, so then the Thais should keep out of other countries affairs. If anything, this crooked ex-police should be arrested in Thailand for having an illegal gun and bringing it onboard a thai flight.

[FangFerang]

A definitely almost vague announcement about an event that can only be said to be possible. Further, Prayuth announced there may or may not be elections in 2018...that there may or may not be freedom of the press in 2017...and that there may or may not be permission given for meetings to discuss the referendum in 2016....

[Artisi]

I have the same dilemma when I approach the chocolates aisle in Tescos. It is always too soon to issue a clear statement of intent.

It is a problem I also have faced many times, best bet is to stay well clear of that aisle and make an instant decision at the checkout counter, always a lesser number of chocolates to choose from.

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

Will he or won't he? who are you kidding? of course he will.... and anyone who think otherwise

is only deluding him self... here you have a Thai general sitting in jail, and another Thai ,brother

general will not intervene on his behalf?.....

The one in the can is a policeman with a close association with the exile.....the other is an army general with close assocition with the elite...not the closest of buddies I would imagine!

So even after they release the amount of wealth of the PTP politicians (especially Taksin and Ying and family, Chalerm and the boys) you still don't consider them elite?

[Thai at Heart]

Will he or won't he? who are you kidding? of course he will.... and anyone who think otherwise

is only deluding him self... here you have a Thai general sitting in jail, and another Thai ,brother

general will not intervene on his behalf?.....

The one in the can is a policeman with a close association with the exile.....the other is an army general with close assocition with the elite...not the closest of buddies I would imagine!

So even after they release the amount of wealth of the PTP politicians (especially Taksin and Ying and family, Chalerm and the boys) you still don't consider them elite?

You really don't get the class system do you. Having a phone company and being a copper with a love of scotch doesn't confer elite status in anyone.

Cash doesn't buy class in Thailand or anywhere else.

[theguyfromanotherforum]

I may or may not post on the forum today

[smutcakes]

Will he or won't he? who are you kidding? of course he will.... and anyone who think otherwise

is only deluding him self... here you have a Thai general sitting in jail, and another Thai ,brother

general will not intervene on his behalf?.....

The guy arrested in Japan is a POLICE general. Not a military general. The POLICE general is a staunch, long time Thaksin ally who was appointed by Thaksin and has used his power to help Thaksin every chance he gets. If you haven't noticed, the current government is not friends with Thaksin, they aren't going to be using their influence to help Thaksin's buddy get out of trouble.

If only Thai politics was as simple as an either your against me or your with me....

I think you will find that although he was known as a TS ally, i have no doubt he is very well connected to many army Generals, obviously police and politicians of all colours.

It is a very murky world of back room deals, flip flopping allegiances, old debts to be repaid, not simply a black and white for or against.

In any respect Prayuth should not assist, and neither should the embassy or foreign ministry, anymore than they would the average Joe on the street.

[Baerboxer]

Prayut should take note of how the Japanese can arrest someone of a crime using their own "organic" laws without having to resort to absolute power.

Japan is a REAL democratic constitutional monarchy with REAL democratic soldiers.

The 1947 Japanese constitution holds that the people, acting through the elected Diet, were supreme. Unlike Prayut who holds himself supreme. The Japanese new constitution took four months to write and was passed by an elected Diet (aka "parliament").

Prayut would do well to remain silent about Japan's due process of law.

How would Japanese law regard government ministers and MP's being paid a salary over and above their normal state salary by a convicted criminal fugitive; being told what to do and how to act by the criminal fugitive and openly cavorting with him?

Prayut would do well to learn how other countries would deal with such treason.

[torpedo1970]

Lets see if he is going to follow his own words.....

He keep saying others should not interfere with Thailand internals.....

But Thailand can interfere with Japan Internals....

this is going to be a joy to watch....

[MZurf]

Will he or won't he? who are you kidding? of course he will.... and anyone who think otherwise

is only deluding him self... here you have a Thai general sitting in jail, and another Thai ,brother

general will not intervene on his behalf?.....

The guy arrested in Japan is a POLICE general. Not a military general. The POLICE general is a staunch, long time Thaksin ally who was appointed by Thaksin and has used his power to help Thaksin every chance he gets. If you haven't noticed, the current government is not friends with Thaksin, they aren't going to be using their influence to help Thaksin's buddy get out of trouble.

They already are....

[Artisi]

Lets see if he is going to follow his own words.....

He keep saying others should not interfere with Thailand internals.....

But Thailand can interfere with Japan Internals....

this is going to be a joy to watch....

"Joy to watch" probably about as interesting as watching paint dry.

[Dogmatix]

With the Thai economy in deep sh*t and Japan being a super important investor and trading partner, I would hope our prime minister has more important things to discuss with his Japanese counterpart than yet another corrupt Thai police thug who has committed a criminal offence and should now be left to face the Japanese legal system.

Do terrorists who are caught in Japan about to board a plane with a loaded gun normally get bail? If not, why should Camronwit?

Please don't try to pretend that he might receive any punishment in Thailand, if he ever makes it back home in his lifetime. He and all the other police generals and colonels in the country are considered above the law. If not, why would he dare to carry a loaded illegal gun around Thailand and even boast about it to the media?

[Dogmatix]

Perhaps Prayut needs Camronwit back because he is president of the Board of Commissioners of the Port Authority of Thailand.

[dick turpin]

Chances of Camronwit coming back on the

PM's plane......let's start with less than zero.

[baboon]

Prayut should take note of how the Japanese can arrest someone of a crime using their own "organic" laws without having to resort to absolute power.

Japan is a REAL democratic constitutional monarchy with REAL democratic soldiers.

The 1947 Japanese constitution holds that the people, acting through the elected Diet, were supreme. Unlike Prayut who holds himself supreme. The Japanese new constitution took four months to write and was passed by an elected Diet (aka "parliament").

Prayut would do well to remain silent about Japan's due process of law.

How would Japanese law regard government ministers and MP's being paid a salary over and above their normal state salary by a convicted criminal fugitive; being told what to do and how to act by the criminal fugitive and openly cavorting with him?

Prayut would do well to learn how other countries would deal with such treason.

Japanese law would regard it as a legal matter to be handled by the courts, as would the military who would remain in the barracks. Yes, you heard right - the military would remain in the barracks! Amazing, isn't it?