webfact Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Former Bromsgrove soldier Lance Whitmore jailed for 50 years in Thailand for drug dealingBY ANDY RICHARDSONLance WhitmoreFile photo source internetLance Whitmore's sentence leaves his mother devastatedBANGKOK: -- A former Bromsgrove soldier has been jailed for 50 years in Thailand for drug dealing.Lance Whitmore was sentenced at Ratchada Criminal Court after being caught with close to 200 ecstasy tablets.His heartbroken mother, Debbie Caswell, said: “I am devastated. I don’t know how he will cope.”Whitmore had been on trial after he was caught trying to sell drugs to an undercover detective.Mrs Caswell said: “I got the call this morning from his lawyer. I am just devastated - I am finding it hard to function at the moment.“I believe we will be appealing but at this moment in time I am just in shock.“I just don’t know how he will cope with this sentence. It is the worst possible news.”Whitmore, aged 26, who has already been behind bars up for eight months in rat-infested Klong Prem prison, will face a hellish existence as he serves his sentence.Full story: http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/former-bromsgrove-soldier-lance-whitmore-9558757-- Mirror 2015-07-01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooked Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 So, come on members of the hang 'em high club, what are you waiting for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikrit Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 First !! .................. I hate drug dealers !! ............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 If you cant do the time dont do the crime. Anybody dealing drugs is dealing DEATH. scum of the earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 So, come on members of the hang 'em high club, what are you waiting for? I was waiting for the computer to warm up... more seriously, this is disproportionate to the crime committed by far. and there hundreds of other cases that people got away with much with less jail time, Thai justice, much can be said about it, being fair, above board and proportional are not what I would have described it... let's hope that an appeal in front of other non hanging judges will reduce the term significantly.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Praematura Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 The Thais that committed attempted murder in Chiangmai last week got $250 baht fine, yet this guy gets 50 years? My wife's cousin got busted for a similar amount in Bangkok and was out in 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daoyai Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 "E" isn't particularly dangerous, addictive or destructive. Most truly civilized countries wouldn't be too concerned with this crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konying Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Makes you wonder how king pings get out in 5-10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimay1 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 She added: “He has done wrong, but there is a reason he got mixed up in all that, everything that was going on. It's called personal choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetley Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 So, come on members of the hang 'em high club, what are you waiting for? I was waiting for the computer to warm up... more seriously, this is disproportionate to the crime committed by far. and there hundreds of other cases that people got away with much with less jail time, Thai justice, much can be said about it, being fair, above board and proportional are not what I would have described it... let's hope that an appeal in front of other non hanging judges will reduce the term significantly.... A guy in our village recently got out after 6 years for dealing a similar amount. Seems an example is being set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 "E" isn't particularly dangerous, addictive or destructive. Most truly civilized countries wouldn't be too concerned with this crime. You think methamphetamine mixed with caffeine is not particularity dangerous ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 He knew the risks when he started dealing. I am sure he was all billy big balls when he was raking in the cash. I have very little sympathy for him, but 50 years is ridiculous. A straight 3 year stretch would be more appropiate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBadGeordie Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 The sentence appear to follow a similar methodology to the pricing structure for entry to National Parks in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESmith Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 He should have appeared traumatized & cried when the police arrested him. Then he could've gone home & escaped the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rametindallas Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) This sentence is over-kill for any possible damage to society from MDMA (street name ecstasy). In my opinion, it is over-kill even if he had been selling heroin. Opium was 100% legal in Thailand until 1962 and if you go to rural Isaan, many villagers smoke ganja. Ecstasy therapy approved for trial in Marin County http://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Ecstasy-therapy-approved-for-trial-in-Marin-6283115.php Brain Scans Hint at Therapy Uses of Ecstasy for Anxiety, PTSD http://psychcentral.com/news/2014/01/18/brain-scans-hint-at-therapy-uses-of-ecstasy-for-anxiety-ptsd/64700.html The Role of MDMA (Ecstasy) in Coping with Negative Life Situations Among Urban Young Adults http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3235684/ For those vehemently against any sale of any illicit drug, there are, believe it or not, shades of gray in the dangers associated with different drugs. Cigarettes and alcohol are perfectly legal and are far more damaging to society than most illicit drugs. Every drug you could want has been legal (10 day supply) in Portugal for more than 14 years and illicit drug use has gone down 30% and drug deaths are down by 50% without the criminal justice system being involved. Can anyone find any negative stories on Portugal's relaxing of drug laws? NO! Some people are risk-takers, some people are gay, and some people are drawn to drugs. There is something inside them that makes them that way and criminalization has never stopped, or even reduced, these behaviors. I'm glad my world is not 'black and white'. . Edited July 1, 2015 by rametindallas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 "E" isn't particularly dangerous, addictive or destructive. Most truly civilized countries wouldn't be too concerned with this crime. You think methamphetamine mixed with caffeine is not particularity dangerous ? Ecstacy is supposed to mainly comprise MDMA, back in the 70s marketed as the 'love drug', but now often mainly made up of amphetamines. The 50 year sentence seems extraordinary, especially as he pleaded guilty, was it commuted from a death sentence? Anyone know if it was an importation or drugs acquired locally. Hopefully the guy will get sentence reductions in the coming years. Does HMG arrange repatriation after a certain period to serve time in UK prison? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rametindallas Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 "E" isn't particularly dangerous, addictive or destructive. Most truly civilized countries wouldn't be too concerned with this crime. You think methamphetamine mixed with caffeine is not particularity dangerous ? From the US Food and Drug Administration: DrugFacts: MDMA (Ecstasy or Molly) http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/mdma-ecstasy-or-molly Yes, I think "methamphetamine mixed with caffeine" IS particularly dangerous but that is not what ecstasy is. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rametindallas Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 The sentence appear to follow a similar methodology to the pricing structure for entry to National Parks in Thailand. It is also very similar to the penalty for picking wild mushrooms in the National Forests. Some judges in Thailand have NO sense of proportion. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badbanker Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 So he will do 8 years max and then be sent back to the UK to serve another 3 or 4 and then paroled to go about his business! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khun Paul Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Although one could say good, he deserves it, the sentence far outweighs the crime and should be reduced to one tenth of what it is and barred from re- entering Thailand for life . No parole a straight 5 years then out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dopenhagen Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 less than 200 ecstasy tablets, and 50 years... insanity ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rijit Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Imo a racially motivated sentence. rijit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms22 Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 This is nothing short of scandalous. I know of Thai people who have committed very similar crimes. They are out from behind bars within a few months. No lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Drug dealing is against the law, and the penalties can be severe here...And people should understand that. But somehow, justice has gone seriously wrong here when this guy gets a 50-year sentence and the Red Bull kid who killed a cop is never even prosecuted, much less, convicted or sentenced. Thai people get far less, sometimes just a few years, for actually killing other people. But this guy gets a 50-year sentence. It's not right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manbing Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 So, come on members of the hang 'em high club, what are you waiting for? I was waiting for the computer to warm up... more seriously, this is disproportionate to the crime committed by far. and there hundreds of other cases that people got away with much with less jail time, Thai justice, much can be said about it, being fair, above board and proportional are not what I would have described it... let's hope that an appeal in front of other non hanging judges will reduce the term significantly.... I wonder if the disproportionate sentence is driven by the fact that this guy is not Thai. A variation of double charging. In similar cases, are Thais given such large sentences? Saying that, what a KN@B. Anyone dealing any drugs in Thailand is a fool. 50 yrs includes extra rice porridge for being retarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seastallion Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 "E" isn't particularly dangerous, addictive or destructive. Most truly civilized countries wouldn't be too concerned with this crime. You think methamphetamine mixed with caffeine is not particularity dangerous ? Ecstacy is supposed to mainly comprise MDMA, back in the 70s marketed as the 'love drug', but now often mainly made up of amphetamines. The 50 year sentence seems extraordinary, especially as he pleaded guilty, was it commuted from a death sentence? Anyone know if it was an importation or drugs acquired locally. Hopefully the guy will get sentence reductions in the coming years. Does HMG arrange repatriation after a certain period to serve time in UK prison? What's the chances he inadvertently made a protocol feaux pas in court? Or there's a backroom plan, made before sentencing, along the lines of, "Grease the right palms and I can get this reduced." that the judge knows about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I know the lad has done wrong, but 50 years he must be devastated. Hope He has a good group of friends who can visit him and keep him in supply of good food and drink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technologybytes Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) The thing with crime, and this includes drug dealing, is that nobody ever expects to get caught. No matter what, this is excessive punishment. I don't know how long he will actually spend in jail, I suspect he could get transferred to a UK jail within 5 years, but the punishment here does not fit the crime. British guys in Thai jails have a harder time than many other nationalities as they get no support from the UK government. There are charities that can help, but basically he will need to depend on help from friends and family outside for even basics like food and basic medicine etc. Much as I dislike drug dealing, I feel sorry for this guy. Edited July 1, 2015 by technologybytes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanpierre Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 hi guy's you all know farang pay's more than thai's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Not a Dutch guy this time I thought we had a monopoly on this one. Crazy sentence far too high but most drug sentences are far too high. I know the hang em high brigade won't agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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