JAS21 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Ive been looking at both the Camry and the Accord. I driven the Camry Hybrid and will drive the Accord Hybrid this coming week. Im not convinced that the Hybrid option is the way to go. I read good and bad things about the Accord Hybrid fuel consumption and there are huge variations on www.fuelly.com. To be honest fuel consumption is not the top priority although getting 17-18km/ltr would be nice. Battery warranty on both cars is 10 years. I know the price of an exchange Camry battery but not as yet the Accord Battery. Both use completely different Hybrid systems and battery types. What is interesting about the Accord pricing structure is that their basic hybrid is actually cheaper than their 2.4EL Navi and the spec is not massively different. Has anyone had/have either of these two hybrids or any strong views ... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The plain gas engine is far greener if you look at the big picture. How does the "Baht per km" stack up against your 3 Litre diesel pickup considering the Camry burns a rather more expensive fuel? Are any plug-in hybrids (i.e. a hybrid with a decent range in EV mode which can be plugged-in at night for a low cost charge) available in Thailand? Is either vehicle available with a turbo-diesel? Also (off topic), look at the location of the air intake, a lot of cars have it very low down, ideal for sucking up water in an all too common flooding situation. EDIT Don't forget, both cars use battery technology similar to that found in laptops and mobiles phones. When was the last time you had a phone or laptop battery that lasted 5 years, let alone 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Camry Fuel E85 22.68 P.L. Truck Fuel 24.49.P.L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Is the Camry hybrid E85 compatible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Yes they won a Golden Green Award. Hybrid/E85. Camry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAS21 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Is the Camry hybrid E85 compatible?Apparently so ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i8ZavFL20c ... Edited July 12, 2015 by JAS21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I suppose to be Younger is a Deciding Factor. I've used a Honda , nice but no thanks.i just kept waiting for it to go wrong. Oldy Syndrome I suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xen Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Just as a point of interest , most of the taxis in Sydney are now Camry Hybrids A mate of mine who is a cabbie says they are great although a bit smaller than the previous tank like things they used to drive. I would assume they would turn them over just before the 10 year battery warranty expires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 The Taxi is on the go 24/7. Most here would not use them that much. Batteries thrive on hard use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinot Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 How many miles do you drive a year? Unless it's significant, the hybrid doesn't make sense. Google "efficacy of hybrid cars" for more information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 How many miles do you drive a year? Unless it's significant, the hybrid doesn't make sense. Google "efficacy of hybrid cars" for more information. I doubt any Google results for that search would have any relevance in Thailand, where hybrids enjoy massive tax savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi850m2 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 So how much is a battery change on those hybrid cars? +100K baht for sure? Only guessing. The batteries have to be binned correctly as they contain some nasty stuff, do they do it correctly here in Thailand? A hybrid make sense to me, spend over 50% of the time in traffic jams in Pattaya and are not going anywhere. Sometimes only manage 7.5km/l in the truck because of that. As soon as doing a trip outside Pattaya +12km/l, hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Just as a point of interest , most of the taxis in Sydney are now Camry Hybrids A mate of mine who is a cabbie says they are great although a bit smaller than the previous tank like things they used to drive. I would assume they would turn them over just before the 10 year battery warranty expires. In Sydney the maximum age of a cab is 6.5 years. http://www.transport.nsw.gov.au/operators/taxis/taxi-vehicle-standards/specifications-taxis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 (edited) So how much is a battery change on those hybrid cars? +100K baht for sure? Only guessing. The batteries have to be binned correctly as they contain some nasty stuff, do they do it correctly here in Thailand? A hybrid make sense to me, spend over 50% of the time in traffic jams in Pattaya and are not going anywhere. Sometimes only manage 7.5km/l in the truck because of that. As soon as doing a trip outside Pattaya +12km/l, hmm. Seems the batteries have a core credit component to the cost, I would assume Toyota dispose of them correctly. And yeah, 100K + for a new battery. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1078138_toyota-hybrid-battery-replacement-cost-guide Edited July 13, 2015 by Don Mega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keemapoot Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 So how much is a battery change on those hybrid cars? +100K baht for sure? Only guessing. The batteries have to be binned correctly as they contain some nasty stuff, do they do it correctly here in Thailand? A hybrid make sense to me, spend over 50% of the time in traffic jams in Pattaya and are not going anywhere. Sometimes only manage 7.5km/l in the truck because of that. As soon as doing a trip outside Pattaya +12km/l, hmm. For sure Hybrid makes sense if you spend most of your time in BKK or Pattaya traffic jams, with the jerky acceleration and braking etc., it's astounding how bad the fuel economy gets in those conditions. I think the cost of replacing those batteries will also be astounding to hybrid owners as the car approaches 10 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guzzi850m2 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 For sure Hybrid makes sense if you spend most of your time in BKK or Pattaya traffic jams, with the jerky acceleration and braking etc., it's astounding how bad the fuel economy gets in those conditions. I think the cost of replacing those batteries will also be astounding to hybrid owners as the car approaches 10 years old. Cheers keemapoot, Well the hybrids are very complicated cars which don't suit Thailand well, LOL. Furthermore I have been driven on flooded roads in the truck quite a lot already, perhaps in 0.5 m once, I rather not do that in a (hybrid) sedan car so despite the Pop Star's low opinion about them, my water melon hauler has been good and people gives me space. I normally change car/truck after 5-6 years where the vehicle should run without problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I don't have a lo opinion on trucks,road trains or hybrids.Every. Vehicle has its function. I drive on hi ways sp prefer cars and benzene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmh8 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I agree with crossy pretty much. on paper your class for class honda beats your toyota every time on efficiency, output price and stuff. when you look at hybrid a lot of it is to cash in on niche market of those who want to be doing more for environment usually european. the gasoline car will be more efficient and cheaper and more environmentally friendly in the long run. hybrid engines may or may not get there in the end, but at the moment the technology is still developing /improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajahnlau Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Have a Camry hybrid here in Canada and just turned over 500k on a 2009. Fuel savings are very significant compared to other gas engines in Chev's or Fords. Any drivers buying new cars are replacing them with the Camry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Have a Camry hybrid here in Canada and just turned over 500k on a 2009. Fuel savings are very significant compared to other gas engines in Chev's or Fords. Any drivers buying new cars are replacing them with the Camry. Really? so Ford and Chev are out of business in CA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 The hybrid cars site state Honda Civic outsold its rivals by15k units in 2014/15. In Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajahnlau Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Have a Camry hybrid here in Canada and just turned over 500k on a 2009. Fuel savings are very significant compared to other gas engines in Chev's or Fords. Any drivers buying new cars are replacing them with the Camry. Really? so Ford and Chev are out of business in CA? Didn't think I said they were out of business,maybe u should read again. To clarify more I should say these are cars for commercial uses. Chev's also make a trans. that only last 250-300k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Seems. You got that wrong,it's Civics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Have a Camry hybrid here in Canada and just turned over 500k on a 2009. Fuel savings are very significant compared to other gas engines in Chev's or Fords. Any drivers buying new cars are replacing them with the Camry. Really? so Ford and Chev are out of business in CA? I cannot find any reference for the Camry sales but I do notice the Chev Volt is listed as being the best hybrid seller in Canada. http://www.durhamregion.com/community-story/5655051-2016-chevrolet-volt-provides-unique-content-at-great-value-for-canada/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Well seeing we Google the Topic and no one has a definitive answer ill go with Hybrid Cars Unbiased Report...Not that id poke one with a stick. here.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 got a link to that report ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I just Googled best selling Hybrids,clicked a few n came up Civic. Rather surprised . Too lazy to re check Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 Ahhh righto, you are talking world market, not canada market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 No the Hybrid site clearly stated.. in 2014/15 outsold by 15K units US/Canada. Civic.? i thought it strange too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Mega Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 (edited) So highly likely the link I provided that states the Volt is the best seller is correct then (for the canadian market which was the topic of conversation). Edited July 15, 2015 by Don Mega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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