wabothai Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 "The Minister of Agriculture and Cooperatives, Petipong Pungbun Na Ayudhya, has revealed the eradication progress of the Illegal, unreported and unregulated (IUU) fishing by the Thai authorities, stating that positive progress has resulted from the many measures utilized, such as the establishment of new laws and the national plan to eradicate IUU fishing. The government will be discussing with representatives of the European Union further on any extra measures required to lift the countrys status." I've got one measure that is required....enforce the laws. The discussion is based on "how do we get away with things" rather than understanding or an attempt to understand that what they are doing is wrong. Staus and face is all that counts. SICK !!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongoz Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Anyone surprised at this news? edit double post Edited July 17, 2015 by bongoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) I wonder why the EU play's ball just now, when they blind folded their demands for the past 30 years.......a ne way of meddling in internal Thai politics perhaps? So refuse to do business with the EU and teach them a lesson about who's boss. Sorted. Edited July 17, 2015 by baboon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Is Thailand part of Eu? I don't think so. Then which right is it dare give orders to Thailand ? The damages that it causing to the European countries doesn't enough for them ? Are you the guy who's business card says: Cosmopolitan? If not, go for it. As you already proved to have deep insight on global issues. Edited July 17, 2015 by Lupatria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongoz Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Anyone surprised at this news?Maybe only Thailand which still can't get foreigners to understand. Can't get them to understand what??????? Thailand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a99az Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 EU should climb back in there box and sort them selves out before trying to fix everyone else's problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 EU should climb back in there box and sort them selves out before trying to fix everyone else's problems. Or Thailand can simply cut exports to the EU in protest if they don't agree....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a99az Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Is Thailand part of Eu? I don't think so. Then which right is it dare give orders to Thailand ? The damages that it causing to the European countries doesn't enough for them ? Fact of life old chap, if you want to trade with the EU then they can set the rules, simple !!! The way things look just now it would not take much of a nudge and the EU would look rather different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FritsSikkink Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 The EU is indirectly telling the junta to give democracy back to the people in the shortest time. Ditto the GSP privilege by USA. They will take it off the table if the junta prolong their stay. BS nothing to do with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 No more stalling for time and hoping problem goes away ala Thai style. This is what the EU expects and if Thailand want to sell fish to them, then shape up or ship out! Not hard to understand is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Is Thailand part of Eu? I don't think so. Then which right is it dare give orders to Thailand ? The damages that it causing to the European countries doesn't enough for them ? Fact of life old chap, if you want to trade with the EU then they can set the rules, simple !!! Yup, one of the golden rules - he who has the gold, rules! Surely Thai understand that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mot Dang Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Get it done RFT (right first time), and move on to next problem. Hearts and minds Mr.P, hearts and minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casindonet Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Hoping for EU to just blow the whistle & show the red card..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willyumiii Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 "address issues such as ensuring all fishing vessels are registered, have registered equipment and are fitted with a Vessel Monitoring System (VMS). But, but, but..what about the slavery???? Is there a gorilla in the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 "...while the number of legal and illegal vessels must be sorted as this issue is the key to the solution of the IUU practices." Here's a wild idea, how about not allowing illegal vessels to fish? I can really appreciate the idea. However like most things in Land of Scams/Lack of Sanctions most of the corruption benefits whom? Some would say.... police/army/govt. lackies/politicians/ and all the oligarchy know in the country by "don't you know who I am?" Oh yeah, I forgot. Anyone who can afford a fishing boat big enough to poach in other countries waters is by definition a quality person and above the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djjamie Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 This is no surprise especially when Prayut bends to the whim of unregistered boat owners allowing them two more months to be registered after they intimidated and threatened registered boat owners. Instead of giving them two more months to be registered they should have given them two months in jail for intimidation of lawful boat owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 This is no surprise especially when Prayut bends to the whim of unregistered boat owners allowing them two more months to be registered after they intimidated and threatened registered boat owners. Instead of giving them two more months to be registered they should have given them two months in jail for intimidation of lawful boat owners. Um you are aware of where most of the support which gave him the excuse to come to power came from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rametindallas Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 I wonder why the EU play's ball just now, when they blind folded their demands for the past 30 years.......a ne way of meddling in internal Thai politics perhaps? Possibly, since EU member nations are having some financial difficulties, this is a way to reduce foreign competition and boost the profits of EU member nation's fishing industries and has nothing to do with Thailand's internal politics (what an ugly can of worms that is). . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rametindallas Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Is Thailand part of Eu? I don't think so. Then which right is it dare give orders to Thailand ? The damages that it causing to the European countries doesn't enough for them ? No one is telling Thailand what to do. The EU is telling Thailand that it will stop buying Thai seafood if Thailand refused to stop slave labor and practices that are detrimental to the environment. Thailand is perfectly free to tell the EU to 'kiss off'. Thailand can decide for itself it selling their seafood to the EU is worth the trouble to clean up their fisheries industry. Balance of trade is important to most countries and Thailand will lose a lot of foreign money (that it uses to buy foreign products), if the EU stops buying Thai seafood, so it is in Thailand's interests to keep the EU's business (it helps stop slavery and helps the environment also). I hope this helps you understand what is going on. For myself, I won't buy food products from China because I am worried about contaminants and quality. Am I telling China what to do? No. I am, however, telling China that if they don't clean up their food industry, they will not get my business. As a consumer, I get to choose not to buy from pirates and outlaws and my government makes sure I, mostly, have safe sources to choose from. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
englishoak Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) Is Thailand part of Eu? I don't think so. Then which right is it dare give orders to Thailand ? The damages that it causing to the European countries doesn't enough for them ? Quite simple, if they want to sell their stuff and trade they need to follow the trading standards set, Thailand is not special and it can either comply or if not, then its bye bye.... sell it to china for all the EU cares. Edited July 17, 2015 by englishoak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgmr Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 When was the letter received? What has been the reply? Or is it another case of mai pen rai.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 again one of these EU policies where it shoots itself in the foot. instead of cheap shrimps and cheap pangasius from unregistered fishers, they will now get expensive shrimps and pangasius from registered fishers. great. At the end, the improvement in fishing practices will again be paid as always by the EU consumer. Most of them don't have any money left to go on holidays in Thailand either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somo Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 ""The EU sent a letter saying our actions were still not correct both in terms of administration and legislation," Defense Minister Prawit Wongsuwan told reporters on Friday." What is the Defense Minister doing opening mail that has nothing to do with him? Nobody seems to know what is going on and nosing in on other peoples area of authority cannot help matters. He should go back to playing with the model submarines the chinese sent him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 If only Thailand had its submarines, then the EU would fear the Thai military and not threaten a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabothai Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 EU should climb back in there box and sort them selves out before trying to fix everyone else's problems. Or Thailand can simply cut exports to the EU in protest if they don't agree....... why not close all your borders so you don't have to deal with us ........farangs. And then see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 again one of these EU policies where it shoots itself in the foot. instead of cheap shrimps and cheap pangasius from unregistered fishers, they will now get expensive shrimps and pangasius from registered fishers. great. At the end, the improvement in fishing practices will again be paid as always by the EU consumer. Most of them don't have any money left to go on holidays in Thailand either... A couple of tiny silver coins extra to ensure safety and quality of food which has not arrived at the table by way of slave labour. Count me in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) again one of these EU policies where it shoots itself in the foot. instead of cheap shrimps and cheap pangasius from unregistered fishers, they will now get expensive shrimps and pangasius from registered fishers. great. At the end, the improvement in fishing practices will again be paid as always by the EU consumer. Most of them don't have any money left to go on holidays in Thailand either... You're ignoring the slave labor issue, and the fact that illegal, unrestricted fishing is depleting the ocean's fish stocks. This does more than just remove seafood from the menu, once the coastal fish stocks have crashed impoverished fishermen sometimes turn to piracy. That's what happened in Somalia, and Thai fishing boats contributed to that desperate situation. If you are not familiar with the expression "the tragedy of the commons" you should look into it. The oceans are an example of such a tragedy on a global scale. Edited July 17, 2015 by heybruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudcrab Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 again one of these EU policies where it shoots itself in the foot. instead of cheap shrimps and cheap pangasius from unregistered fishers, they will now get expensive shrimps and pangasius from registered fishers. great. At the end, the improvement in fishing practices will again be paid as always by the EU consumer. Most of them don't have any money left to go on holidays in Thailand either... You're ignoring the slave labor issue, and the fact that illegal, unrestricted fishing is depleting the ocean's fish stocks. This does more than just remove seafood from the menu, once the coastal fish stocks have crashed impoverished fishermen sometimes turn to piracy. That's what happened in Somalia, and Thai fishing boats contributed to that desperate situation. If you are not familiar with the expression "the tragedy of the commons" you should look into it. The oceans are an example of such a tragedy on a global scale. No need to look any further for evidence of depleted fish stocks - the North Sea is a prime example of raping the ocean. And it wasn't done by Thai fishermen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidieunimaitre Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 EU should climb back in there box and sort them selves out before trying to fix everyone else's problems. Where box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nidieunimaitre Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 again one of these EU policies where it shoots itself in the foot. instead of cheap shrimps and cheap pangasius from unregistered fishers, they will now get expensive shrimps and pangasius from registered fishers. great. At the end, the improvement in fishing practices will again be paid as always by the EU consumer. Most of them don't have any money left to go on holidays in Thailand either... You're ignoring the slave labor issue, and the fact that illegal, unrestricted fishing is depleting the ocean's fish stocks. This does more than just remove seafood from the menu, once the coastal fish stocks have crashed impoverished fishermen sometimes turn to piracy. That's what happened in Somalia, and Thai fishing boats contributed to that desperate situation. If you are not familiar with the expression "the tragedy of the commons" you should look into it. The oceans are an example of such a tragedy on a global scale. No need to look any further for evidence of depleted fish stocks - the North Sea is a prime example of raping the ocean. And it wasn't done by Thai fishermen. Great logic. Europe raped it's ocean. Therefore Thailand has the right to rape it's ocean too. More logic: Europe did this in a previous century, Thailand still lives in a previous century (or two). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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