More aprons needed if EASA and FAA ban Thai airlines

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More aprons needed if EASA and FAA ban Thai airlines

BANGKOK, 23 July 2015 (NNT)-Airports of Thailand (AoT) is seeking additional parking aprons for Thai airplanes should they be banned by European and American aviation agencies.

According to the AoT President, Nitinai Sirismattakarn, Thai airlines could be banned from flying to certain European nations and the United States.

The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) will make a decision later this year whether the Thai airlines meet the safety requirements.

The ban could result in the need for temporary parking spaces for the airplanes that will be grounded. They are expected to take to the air again once their new destinations have been identified.

The AoT has sought assistance from the Royal Thai Air Force, the Civil Aviation Organization and

In response to the requested assistance, U-Tapao-Rayong-Pattaya International Airport has already reserved 20 parking spots for the Thai-registered aircraft in case the EASA and the FAA decide to impose the ban. Meanwhile, more airport personnel have been assigned to conduct baggage screening at Don Muang International Airport.

A similar system, said to be the most effective security system, now in use at Suvarnabhumi International Airport will be introduced at Don Muang when the second departure terminal is open at the end of this year.


-- NNT 2015-07-23

[baboon]

Why not just fix the planes up or scrap them?

[Ricardo]

Because it's the Thai DCA which appears to be faulty/broken/undermanned, not necessarily the aircraft themselves, some of them (Air Asia or Thai Lion or even TG's recent-acquisitions), are brand-spanking-new !

[Chang_paarp]

Why not just fix the planes up or scrap them?

The planes may be OK, however, Thai and the whole industry in Thailand does not have enough qualified staff to certify them which is where the the latest problem has arisen with other countries safety authorities.

[LomSak27]

Looks like they are expecting bad news.

They still have 60 days to implement reforms and changes, I would have thought that is enough.

[jonclark]

Why not just fix the planes up or scrap them?

The planes may be OK, however, Thai and the whole industry in Thailand does not have enough qualified staff to certify them which is where the the latest problem has arisen with other countries safety authorities.

I wonder if aircraft QA and Inspection is a reserved for Thai job category. If they lack qualified and appropriate staff then surely the sensible way forward is to remove this as a reserved occupation and bring in foreign staff.

[bangkokfrog]

They should be congratulated for the contingency planning.

[IMA_FARANG]

I can remember back in the late 1970's when I first came to Thailand I often flew on Thai Airways which at that time had many of it's services and even safety inspections and cabin crew training certifications "partnered" with the then SAS airlines out of Copenhagen.

Thai had excellent services and had a good safety inspection and staff training reputation because they took their certified cabin staff and maintenance staff from SAS training certification courses.

Then SAS had financial problems and went out of business.

Thai has never recovered from that time.... and Thai has been going down since then in quality and reputation since that time.

Maybe it's time for Thai to consider another "partnership" with some European airline (let's just say Luftansa) to get it's training and certification standards back into shape.

[pisico]

MORE APRONS NEEDED???

I wonder what the powers-that-be are cooking?

[pisico]

Why not just fix the planes up or scrap them?

Not possible. That is an anti-Thainess measure.

If the floods affecting Bangkok for decades is an indication of Thai resolve to correct a problem, we can expect a flood of bans before the "leadership" decides to tackle the problem. A country that is a firm believer of Karma and amulets cannot be proactive.

[ovenman]

Apart from THAI itself, which Thai airlines actually fly to either the EU or the US? Realistically, how many "grounded" aircraft would this entail?? Seems like yet another non-story coming out of a government agency.

[deckape]

I wonder if the lack of English language skills exacerbate these problems they are having with ICAO and the FAA? How much of the paperwork is in English?

[Orac]

Apart from THAI itself, which Thai airlines actually fly to either the EU or the US? Realistically, how many "grounded" aircraft would this entail?? Seems like yet another non-story coming out of a government agency.

I doubt it is just US and EU that are in question. FAA and EASA restrictions following the ICAO downgrade would almost certainly be followed by others. Restrictions are already in place for Japan, S Korea and Indonesia.

[ginjag]

I wonder if the lack of English language skills exacerbate these problems they are having with ICAO and the FAA? How much of the paperwork is in English?

Try BING--Google Thai -English translations

[Oziex1]

So If my car was out of registration and deemed to be unroadworthy would I pay the registration and have the tyres replaced to make it roadworthy. No I would just build a new garage to store it in until I could find another place to drive it as is.

Ay yay yay.

[GiantFan]

We will ground them until we find new destinations to fly them to.

Duh. If these new destinations had so much potential, THAI would already be flying there.

Talk about spin.

[cloudhopper]

"They are expected to take to the air again once their new destinations have been identified."

Suitable destinations where concerns for air safety are a lesser priority will take some time to identify.

[Basil B]

Another reserved occupation??? maybe one day they will realise they need to issue work permits for suitably qualified persons...

[tx22cb]

If the Thai aviation systems and processes are sub-standard at the deadline, ban them.

Some people will never improve without a short sharp shock.

[bongoz]

I can remember back in the late 1970's when I first came to Thailand I often flew on Thai Airways which at that time had many of it's services and even safety inspections and cabin crew training certifications "partnered" with the then SAS airlines out of Copenhagen.

Thai had excellent services and had a good safety inspection and staff training reputation because they took their certified cabin staff and maintenance staff from SAS training certification courses.

Then SAS had financial problems and went out of business.

Thai has never recovered from that time.... and Thai has been going down since then in quality and reputation since that time.

Maybe it's time for Thai to consider another "partnership" with some European airline (let's just say Luftansa) to get it's training and certification standards back into shape.

I already thought THAI Airways were using a different country to inspect their fleet? Was reported about a month ago.

[Traveling Sailor]

Looks like they are expecting bad news.

They still have 60 days to implement reforms and changes, I would have thought that is enough.

It would be for a normal country, but TIT. All these people do is talk, talk, talk until their back is against the wall. Then they will try to blame someone else. Only after all of that does not work will they actually do something. And even then, they will do a 1/2 assed job and need to redo it a couple of times before they get it right.

I am reminded of the report here on TV a couple f months ago that talked about the decreasing average IQ scores here in the LOS ( Land of Scams).

Edited July 23, 2015 by Traveling Sailor

[Lupatria]

Why not just fix the planes up or scrap them?

The planes may be OK, however, Thai and the whole industry in Thailand does not have enough qualified staff to certify them which is where the the latest problem has arisen with other countries safety authorities.

I wonder if aircraft QA and Inspection is a reserved for Thai job category. If they lack qualified and appropriate staff then surely the sensible way forward is to remove this as a reserved occupation and bring in foreign staff.

If they lack qualified and appropriate staff then surely the sensible way forward is to remove this as a reserved occupation and bring in foreign staff.

Impossible as long as those in the job have many highly skilled and trained motorbike mechanics, plumbers, hairdresser and phone repair men in the family to take these positions.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Lupatria

[Rinrada]

Thai Airway board recently appointed a Foreigner...Ex CEO Oman Airlines ( W.P.) as a Special Advisor to the President so looks like somebody is listening and things might start happening.

Latest press release also mentions that they intend to fulfill further "foreign specialists" positions..

[Down the rabbit hole]

Looks like they are expecting bad news.

They still have 60 days to implement reforms and changes, I would have thought that is enough.

It would be for a normal country, but TIT. All these people do is talk, talk, talk until their back is against the wall. Then they will try to blame someone else. Only after all of that does not work will they actually do something. And even then, they will do a 1/2 assed job and need to redo it a couple of times before they get it right.

I am reminded of the report here on TV a couple f months ago that talked about the decreasing average IQ scores here in the LOS ( Land of Scams).

That seems like a pretty good assessment of the Thai psyche, I thought I was a lone voice in the wilderness but it seems not.

Unfortunately, it's all pretty much inevitable if you keep people poor, stupid and propagandised so they represent an almost limitless supply of obedient, cheap and unskilled labour. But now, businesses aren't coming to TL because of the lack of skilled labour, so the 1%ers appear to have bitten themselves in the ass. Som nam na.

Edited July 23, 2015 by Down the rabbit hole

[mikemac]

Looks like they are expecting bad news.

They still have 60 days to implement reforms and changes, I would have thought that is enough.

It would be for a normal country, but TIT. All these people do is talk, talk, talk until their back is against the wall. Then they will try to blame someone else. Only after all of that does not work will they actually do something. And even then, they will do a 1/2 assed job and need to redo it a couple of times before they get it right.

I am reminded of the report here on TV a couple f months ago that talked about the decreasing average IQ scores here in the LOS ( Land of Scams).

That seems like a pretty good assessment of the Thai psyche, I thought I was a lone voice in the wilderness but it seems not.

Unfortunately, it's all pretty much inevitable if you keep people poor, stupid and propagandised so they represent an almost limitless supply of obedient, cheap and unskilled labour. But now, businesses aren't coming to TL because of the lack of skilled labour, so the 1%ers appear to have bitten themselves in the ass. Som nam na.

You can rest assured that you are not alone.

(read forum rule #11)

[cracker1]

Why not just fix the planes up or scrap them?

The planes are not the problem, it is the people that manage, fly, and service them, and administer the International systems required to operate and airline.

[trainman34014]

Thai Airway board recently appointed a Foreigner...Ex CEO Oman Airlines ( W.P.) as a Special Advisor to the President so looks like somebody is listening and things might start happening.

Latest press release also mentions that they intend to fulfill further "foreign specialists" positions..

They can 'advise ' all they want but will the Presidents brain be missing? More often than not when people talk to Thai's about what should be done to put things right the lights appear to be on....but there's nobody in ! Not so many years back Dutch experts arrived to advise about flood prevention systems but they left after a couple of weeks as they were told that Thai's know what the problems are and know how to fix them without outside help. Thai's at most levels of management have brick walls for brains and are also terrified of Westerners who are a lot smarter than them.

My ''advice '' would be leave the idiots to go their own way and eventually sink into the mud with their Capital City, as after all, it's not that far into the future.

[Searat7]

A friend in USA told me his (half) Thai nephew who is a pilot for one of the Thai airlines has been asked to write some airline operations manuals because his English is very good. I sense that the task to bring DCA up to standard is so big that they are pulling out all the stops.

[kickstart]

Thai Airway board recently appointed a Foreigner...Ex CEO Oman Airlines ( W.P.) as a Special Advisor to the President so looks like somebody is listening and things might start happening.

Latest press release also mentions that they intend to fulfill further "foreign specialists" positions..

Here in Lopburi there are some army bases,a few years ago some Israli airplaine machanics where there servicing Thai military helicopters,they where in Lopburi for a good few weeks.

It has happened in the past,I know this was the importaint army,might happen to a civilian airline.