kannot Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0cNQnFRak Not accelerating , not turning the wheel, not braking just cruising along at 90-100kmh when THIS happened!! The only thing I can think of is either a diesel spill ( but pick up in front who was accelerating was ok) or I may have touched on the yellow line on the right which started this off. Six opposite locks later back under control. I was actually not bothered by this but stopped as I thought I may have had a puncture, but everything was fine............I think Im too relaxed!!! This is one reason I never go out on my bike in the wet in Thailand Toyota Hilux 2 wheel drive 2.5 Im guessing the guy behind was quite excited Edited September 2, 2015 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 There's a puddle of water on the far right of the road, covering the yellow line at the 5 seconds mark. As your rear right crossed over that, it aquaplaned, and because you don't have a limited slip diff, the rear right wheel accelerated. As soon as it's out of the puddle, it gets some traction and away you go..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmylife Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Its time to change new tire for your truck Bro , for your own safety . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkt83100 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It not only shows your good reaction, but also reminds everyone to slow down in the rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 100 km/h at dense rain, touched slippery strip, old or low profile tyres, rut?, puddle/aquaplaning, One or more of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 100% the truck drivers fault.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Its time to change new tire for your truck Bro , for your own safety . Nope the tyres are fine in fact only 6 months old plenty of tread on them and not a lot of water on the road either, the rain wasnt heavy and no puddles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Its time to change new tire for your truck Bro , for your own safety . Nope the tyres are fine in fact only 6 months old plenty of tread on them and not a lot of water on the road either, the rain wasnt heavy and no puddles You can see the puddle that caused it lol, even at this crappy low res. Watch from 5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 100 km/h at dense rain, touched slippery strip, old or low profile tyres, rut?, puddle/aquaplaning, One or more of the above. not dense rain at all, yes touched slippery strip possibly, tyres standard bridgestone truck tyres 6 months old plenty of tread, no puddles this is the You tube heavily compressed version the original has NO puddles at the 5 second mark or any on the right but i cant upload the original 200mb file, Im going with the yellow line slippery, along with manhole covers was always wary of these when learning to drive bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 100% the truck drivers fault.. Yeah Im convinced of that too bloody Thais, actually could have been some diesel on the road but I didnt go back to have a look, anyway yeah be careful!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Heres a still from the original, there is no pool of water on the yellow lines If u can see a puddle circle it and ill skip on a bit (shadows where trees are but these are not puddles) but this is about 1 second before it started, I wasnt right over on the edge wheel probably only just on the line Edited September 3, 2015 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 An excellent recovery.... As I'm sure you are aware, with so many tree's in the ditch to the right and the truck to the left somewhere in a Parallel Universe this event had tragic consequences.... As many posters have already mentioned - Your rear wheel aquaplaned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew55 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Thanks for sharing the video. Sobering how easy it can be. I'm glad the outcome was ok. Your response seemed great and luck was with you. Do you think it was an avoidable error on your part that caused the incident? If I may add - Tires are a more complex issue than just amount of tread. Factors include date since made, pattern, balance and compound (basically a compromise between traction and wear) Be extra conscious of that on your bike and choose a tire that will disappoint you with the kms that you get out of them for what it cost you. The tread on the original tires on my pick-up looked as good as new after 80,000km but they didn't stick to anything let alone a wet road. Again, thanks for the share, glad all OK and stay safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 An excellent recovery.... As I'm sure you are aware, with so many tree's in the ditch to the right and the truck to the left somewhere in a Parallel Universe this event had tragic consequences.... As many posters have already mentioned - Your rear wheel aquaplaned... Well I cant see what on,? really the rain was NOT heavy at all in fact looking at the road very little on it anywhere and I have the original which shows nothing there at all, dont be fooled on the far right of the road in the video what looks like water is a shadow off the trees running all along the edge of the road, any water by the line would have been very very shallow and perfectly normal for the tyres to be able to cope, I know aquaplaning and there just wasnt enough there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Thanks for sharing the video. Sobering how easy it can be. I'm glad the outcome was ok. Your response seemed great and luck was with you. Do you think it was an avoidable error on your part that caused the incident? If I may add - Tires are a more complex issue than just amount of tread. Factors include date since made, pattern, balance and compound (basically a compromise between traction and wear) Be extra conscious of that on your bike and choose a tire that will disappoint you with the kms that you get out of them for what it cost you. The tread on the original tires on my pick-up looked as good as new after 80,000km but they didn't stick to anything let alone a wet road. Again, thanks for the share, glad all OK and stay safe. Well the tyres are not more than 6 months old so im still a bit puzzled, tyre pressure is ok for an empty pick up not over inflated as i do them myself and the rain was not a lot and really no standing water, no troughts in the road?? Could I have avoided it??? well youve seen the video, I wouldnt have thought the speed was excessive and the rain certainly wasnt even mildly heavy, sure i could have stayed home though ...hahaha Edited September 3, 2015 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 An excellent recovery.... As I'm sure you are aware, with so many tree's in the ditch to the right and the truck to the left somewhere in a Parallel Universe this event had tragic consequences.... As many posters have already mentioned - Your rear wheel aquaplaned... Well I cant see what on,? really the rain was NOT heavy at all in fact looking at the road very little on it anywhere and I have the original which shows nothing there at all, dont be fooled on the far right of the road in the video what looks like water is a shadow off the trees running all along the edge of the road, any water by the line would have been very very shallow and perfectly normal for the tyres to be able to cope, I know aquaplaning and there just wasnt enough there. Was your truck empty ? (i.e. nothing in the back) You mentioned that you were neither accelerating nor decelerating at the time. You mentioned that your right hand wheels were riding the 'Yellow' line - could it be that there was a lack of traction on rear-right wheel, the rear-left over-sped (limited slip-diff). With the exception of the non-existent puddle - IMHO in post 2 has explained the most likely cause. And, as other posters have mentioned - this is an excellent post - If for no other reason than to remind us drivers how easily and instantly an accident could occur out of nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 An excellent recovery.... As I'm sure you are aware, with so many tree's in the ditch to the right and the truck to the left somewhere in a Parallel Universe this event had tragic consequences.... As many posters have already mentioned - Your rear wheel aquaplaned... Well I cant see what on,? really the rain was NOT heavy at all in fact looking at the road very little on it anywhere and I have the original which shows nothing there at all, dont be fooled on the far right of the road in the video what looks like water is a shadow off the trees running all along the edge of the road, any water by the line would have been very very shallow and perfectly normal for the tyres to be able to cope, I know aquaplaning and there just wasnt enough there. Was your truck empty ? (i.e. nothing in the back) You mentioned that you were neither accelerating nor decelerating at the time. You mentioned that your right hand wheels were riding the 'Yellow' line - could it be that there was a lack of traction on rear-right wheel, the rear-left over-sped (limited slip-diff). With the exception of the non-existent puddle - IMHO in post 2 has explained the most likely cause. And, as other posters have mentioned - this is an excellent post - If for no other reason than to remind us drivers how easily and instantly an accident could occur out of nowhere. Yes truck empty and I know these are tail happy when empty, Im not 100% sure the wheel was on the line but I can only see this as the initial cause, white lines are very slippery, first thing we learnt about bikes and rain was white lines and manhole covers in the UK, Im not ruling out something on the side ot the road such as some diesel or oil, roads had been dry for sometime and I know a lot of stuff like this sinks into the small gaps of stone in the road and then when it rains floats out. No puddles there though, honest guv!! Id agree one wheel or both went but cant see a big cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weka Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Kannot, can you please detail what you did with your arms and feet I can work out the obvious stuff like turned the wheel, but I'd like to learn a bit more eg. brakes? accelerator? hard turning of steering wheel etc I guess the theory behind what you did to recover so well thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Kannot, can you please detail what you did with your arms and feet I can work out the obvious stuff like turned the wheel, but I'd like to learn a bit more eg. brakes? accelerator? hard turning of steering wheel etc I guess the theory behind what you did to recover so well thanks My deep belief in God saved me ( check avatar), it was a miracle, well I survived so it must be?? OK turn into any skid , rear of car goes left turn right so for this hard right hard left hard right hard left but you gotta to be fast and as severity eases also ease back on turn severity and in the wet totally avoid any gas or brake 100% as your already on the limit of grip. Basically keep those front wheels heading straight ahead Practicing on icy roads in the UK was good Edited September 3, 2015 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weka Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Thanks Kannot Seems you understand the science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Heres a still from the original, there is no pool of water on the yellow lines If u can see a puddle circle it and ill skip on a bit (shadows where trees are but these are not puddles) but this is about 1 second before it started, I wasnt right over on the edge wheel probably only just on the line That's the original? You need a better dashcam, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Having watched the Vid id sooner walk. You Cant interpret Thai road conditions as well as my Wife. Failed Practical Test big time. Bad Workman blame s Tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Heres a still from the original, there is no pool of water on the yellow lines If u can see a puddle circle it and ill skip on a bit (shadows where trees are but these are not puddles) but this is about 1 second before it started, I wasnt right over on the edge wheel probably only just on the line That's the original? You need a better dashcam, LOL Thats already compressed somewhat on conversion from sd card to com however I will be updating soon, any recommendations? Hey but no standing water Heres a thought did u see the white marker studs in the road on the right??? they could have been the start of it with the white line helping Edited September 3, 2015 by kannot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash999 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Heres a still from the original, there is no pool of water on the yellow lines If u can see a puddle circle it and ill skip on a bit (shadows where trees are but these are not puddles) but this is about 1 second before it started, I wasnt right over on the edge wheel probably only just on the line At this point you can see the puddle on the right side. At first I thought it was a shadow too, but the tree-line is fairly constant and the dark area gets more pronounced at that point. Also if you look a bit to the right you can see a reflection of light off the water further into the shoulder at the same place- helps to replay the video and look to the right. Where the darker spot finishes is where the car begins to rotate. Nice job keeping the vehicle going in the right direction, especially with that first scary lurch towards the trees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Heres a still from the original, there is no pool of water on the yellow lines If u can see a puddle circle it and ill skip on a bit (shadows where trees are but these are not puddles) but this is about 1 second before it started, I wasnt right over on the edge wheel probably only just on the line At this point you can see the puddle on the right side. At first I thought it was a shadow too, but the tree-line is fairly constant and the dark area gets more pronounced at that point. Also if you look a bit to the right you can see a reflection of light off the water further into the shoulder at the same place- helps to replay the video and look to the right. Where the darker spot finishes is where the car begins to rotate. Nice job keeping the vehicle going in the right direction, especially with that first scary lurch towards the trees! Hmmmm......... really no it wasnt standing water. Let me see if can find a better image Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_smith237 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 An excellent recovery.... As I'm sure you are aware, with so many tree's in the ditch to the right and the truck to the left somewhere in a Parallel Universe this event had tragic consequences.... As many posters have already mentioned - Your rear wheel aquaplaned... Well I cant see what on,? really the rain was NOT heavy at all in fact looking at the road very little on it anywhere and I have the original which shows nothing there at all, dont be fooled on the far right of the road in the video what looks like water is a shadow off the trees running all along the edge of the road, any water by the line would have been very very shallow and perfectly normal for the tyres to be able to cope, I know aquaplaning and there just wasnt enough there. Was your truck empty ? (i.e. nothing in the back) You mentioned that you were neither accelerating nor decelerating at the time. You mentioned that your right hand wheels were riding the 'Yellow' line - could it be that there was a lack of traction on rear-right wheel, the rear-left over-sped (limited slip-diff). With the exception of the non-existent puddle - IMHO in post 2 has explained the most likely cause. And, as other posters have mentioned - this is an excellent post - If for no other reason than to remind us drivers how easily and instantly an accident could occur out of nowhere. Yes truck empty and I know these are tail happy when empty, Im not 100% sure the wheel was on the line but I can only see this as the initial cause, white lines are very slippery, first thing we learnt about bikes and rain was white lines and manhole covers in the UK, Im not ruling out something on the side ot the road such as some diesel or oil, roads had been dry for sometime and I know a lot of stuff like this sinks into the small gaps of stone in the road and then when it rains floats out. No puddles there though, honest guv!! Id agree one wheel or both went but cant see a big cause. A diesel spill is an equally viable explanation... although I'm not sure why the other vehicles were not impacted. One of the wheels slipped (rear right), the other gripped (rear left). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 This is 1 second on and it all goes t**s up in the next second ......no puddles Tried to get a bit better shot but my image composer buggers things up a bit but no water on the line file size now 4mb not 400k jpeg to bmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Nothing to do with the rain or your car skidding, but why were you overtaking without knowing what was in front of the car in front of you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Nothing to do with the rain or your car skidding, but why were you overtaking without knowing what was in front of the car in front of you? It's a dual divided road Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsmylife Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Pick-up truck is lighter at behind and it always lost control very much , wherether is rain or dry . Edited September 3, 2015 by itsmylife Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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