No more Out/In stamps on Thai-Cambo border - for anyone

[jspill]

this borders are hardly a tourist spot and the international press really don't care about that.

It is a disaster for the people working illegal here.

"It is a disaster for the people working illegal here". Good, they are the ones who are causing problems for the many ex pats here who have the right visa.

I see this posted on these forums on a regular basis, still waiting on any evidence of it. Just how do people breaking the rules affect you, if you're not?

[robblok]

Why do an in out, i was on a non O marriage I never left the country just did a 90 day report.

I think a lot of us would like to know how you managed that? Just to clear it up, is that the marriage visa that you pay 5000 Baht for

and then do the 90 day reporting for up to the next 15 months?

The visa where you have 400k in the bank and pay 1900 bt for the visa. Its valid for a year and you dont have to leave the country.

No such visa robblok.

There is if your married and you keep 400k in the bank you pay every year 1900bt. Been doing that for years. This year was my last as i am getting divorced. (its an extension on the non O based on marriage)

[Don Mega]

I think a lot of us would like to know how you managed that? Just to clear it up, is that the marriage visa that you pay 5000 Baht for

and then do the 90 day reporting for up to the next 15 months?

The visa where you have 400k in the bank and pay 1900 bt for the visa. Its valid for a year and you dont have to leave the country.

No such visa robblok.

There is if your married and you keep 400k in the bank you pay every year 1900bt. Been doing that for years. This year was my last as i am getting divorced. (its an extension on the non O based on marriage)

As I said, there is no such thing.

Read what you posted... the clue is the word extension.

[NoshowJones]

this borders are hardly a tourist spot and the international press really don't care about that.

It is a disaster for the people working illegal here.

"It is a disaster for the people working illegal here". Good, they are the ones who are causing problems for the many ex pats here who have the right visa.

I see this posted on these forums on a regular basis, still waiting on any evidence of it. Just how do people breaking the rules affect you, if you're not?

I would think that would be obvious, so I am not going to go into things that have been on Thaivisa so often.

[jspill]

I would think that would be obvious, so I am not going to go into things that have been on Thaivisa so often.

Paz made this post saying overstayers don't have any effect on others, the same logic holds true for 'illegal workers' (e.g. teaching Thai on a tourist visa, crime of the century):

'People associate an Immigration infraction with real crime. They also are worried that the behavior will "cast a bad light on foreigners", which clearly isn't true, Thailand doesn't even know and much less care.'

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/839006-overstay-more-than-a-year/page-2#entry9601013

If some people's immigration infractions could actually make things harder for everyone else, we'd have all been kicked out by now.

[4evermaat]

Q: so is there a minimum amount of time needed e.g. 1 night, 2 nights, etc required to re-enter at the same border?

Out-In needs that clarification. I realize it might not be the same at each border.

Edit: if so, will TV start a new pinned topic on Out-In reports of the neigboring borders?

My understanding is yes, you need to spend at least a night, preferably 2-3 days away for it not to be considered an in/out. Same day travel back to Thailand is considered in/out.

Problem is though, at some of the Myanmar crossings, without a Myanmar visa in your passport you can't legally spend more than a day in Myanmar (for example at the Myawady crossing) because in order to stay overnight, you'll need a visa. In that case, it's up to the Thai side to let you out in the first place.

This is not a problem at any of the Cambodian borders, which only have one entry system.

I figured. Seems like UbonJoe took on my suggestion and started a new pinned topic dealing specifically with border run alternatives to track entry/exit reports at specific borders.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/856730-border-run-alternatives/

This is more efficient that another 20-50 page thread that likely incites panic and mis-info.

[nidieunimaitre]

Robblok means an extension of a non imm O visa.

That extension requires paperwork and possibly tea.

The non imm O does not, but needs to be renewed every 15 or 17 months, outside Thailand, easy in your own country. Downside: the border runs every 3 or 5 months, with visa & tea for the Cambodians.

Wrong. Its an extension to stay based on marriage. Once the extension has been granted your O-visa or as your putting it non imm O is null and void. I am on my 4 th marriage extension and it is not a visa. This extension requires you to report every 90 days to your immigration office,

I fully agree with you, except for 1 word: ??? WRONG ???

Enlighten me please!

"Marriage" is the key word and it's not a visa extension. Otherwise you're in agreement with each other!

Indeed.

I was wrong.

This is not an extension of a non imm O visa (O = other, here O = marriage).

This is indeed an extension BASED on a non imm O visa (O = other, here O = marriage).

Deer oh deer, will I ever recover face? Will somebody's huge but fragile ego ever heal?

[NoshowJones]

I would think that would be obvious, so I am not going to go into things that have been on Thaivisa so often.

Paz made this post saying overstayers don't have any effect on others, the same logic holds true for 'illegal workers' (e.g. teaching Thai on a tourist visa, crime of the century):

'People associate an Immigration infraction with real crime. They also are worried that the behavior will "cast a bad light on foreigners", which clearly isn't true, Thailand doesn't even know and much less care.'

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/839006-overstay-more-than-a-year/page-2#entry9601013

If some people's immigration infractions could actually make things harder for everyone else, we'd have all been kicked out by now.

I see where you are coming from, but the illegals are the reasons for the crackdowns at the borders, and it has affected the visa runners who are legal

and not working, and as far as I am aware, some of the visa companies have been forced out of business.

It seems to me that illegal workers are different from overstayers, and have made it harder for genuine tourists and people who want to stay here in Thailand,

and who cannot afford the money in the bank for marriage and retirement extensions.

[robblok]

The visa where you have 400k in the bank and pay 1900 bt for the visa. Its valid for a year and you dont have to leave the country.

No such visa robblok.

There is if your married and you keep 400k in the bank you pay every year 1900bt. Been doing that for years. This year was my last as i am getting divorced. (its an extension on the non O based on marriage)

As I said, there is no such thing.

Read what you posted... the clue is the word extension.

My mistake i got it.

[jspill]

the illegals are the reasons for the crackdowns at the borders

Of course, nothing to do with terrorism, the bomber having been let through at a Cambodian border, and the entire immigration department being under scrutiny for corruption/bribe taking... no, it's all those western expats living close to the border doing 30 day runs and teaching English.

[ldiablo]

How did this topic suddenly turn into a topic about Brazil?

[ldiablo]

How did this suddenly turn into a topic about Brazil?

[khwaibah]

How did this suddenly turn into a topic about Brazil?

I vote for Sosua Dominican Republic.

[NoshowJones]

the illegals are the reasons for the crackdowns at the borders

Of course, nothing to do with terrorism, the bomber having been let through at a Cambodian border, and the entire immigration department being under scrutiny for corruption/bribe taking... no, it's all those western expats living close to the border doing 30 day runs and teaching English.

I am not referring to the Bangkok atrocity, I am talking about illegal workers, a different thing altogether.

[professor21]

so if you go to Poipet or Kohkong for a visa exempt entry you will be turned away from entering Thailand, but you could stay for a day in Poipet and it's a legit visa exempt entry?

[jspill]

I am not referring to the Bangkok atrocity, I am talking about illegal workers, a different thing altogether.

I still don't think illegal workers are making things any harder for legal westerners

The 2014 'crackdown' on tourist visas, which turned out to only be about out/in visa exempts, was focused on Vietnamese, Laotian and Russian illegal workers... do you really think the presence of those, however big, makes life 'harder for the rest of us', visa wise?

Its posted here ad nauseam, but I see no real correlation.

I think people just want to feel better about doing things 'by the book', imagining that they're somehow appreciated more by Thailand for being legal... this in a country which itself is engaged in human trafficking for profit.

[daveAustin]

A temporary hassle for those in the region, for sure, but there are always options and just think yourselves lucky that visas / extensions are still relatively easy to get.

[paz]

Thai immigration changes the rules about every 3 months. Very good for boosting tourism. I do not make any visas for Thailand, I just use the visa-free entry to this country, then I go to Laos, also visa-free entry, and then I come back on visa-free entry.

I wasn't aware that Laos operated a visa exempt scheme - is this something new?

Citizens of some countries can enter Laos visa exempt. E.g Switzerland.

[silverado]

You know Brazil gives a 10 year resident visa for like $300....

they do ? tell me more.... what are the requirements ?

Spent 6 weeks in South America (albeit only in Spanish-speaking countries) last year for the first time since 1999 and LOVED it.

If I can get some expected funds released in 2017, I am seriously considering to move to South America

you are not alone

[nidieunimaitre]

How did this suddenly turn into a topic about Brazil?

Blame it on the caipirinha.

[domdom]

Hello

To stop that b... about Brazil.. here is a link; Long term visas are VERY difficult to get.. For retirement visas you need to justify more than 2000 dollars income per month to get it..(as real fell a lot recently it is no more 3600 dollars per month, but apparently it is planned to put the level in reals higher to get back to arount 3500 dollars per month). Here a link..

http://novayork.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/visas.xml

For retired, here is the copy of the text..

) Retired person

• Documents required from the applicant and his/her dependents :
• affidavit of the payment institution on means of support, declaring amount of the month income and resource, certified by a notary public and legalized by the Consulate. A US$ 20.00 will be charged. Applicants must provide official documentation stating a minimum pension of R$ 6,000.00, equivalent to US$ 3,600.00 (three thousand six hundred dollars) a month per person plus 2 (two) dependents for their life term, as well as bank statement verifying service for regular transfers to Brazil. An additional R$ 2.000,00, equivalent to US$ 1,200.00 in the monthly pension will be necessary for each dependent in case the applicant has more than two dependents. (Exchange rate: 1 Real = 1.66 US Dollar)

So.. Thailand is far better

The only country easy for long term visas in South America is Argentina.. With 800 dollars income per month, you get a visa and renew it there for 3 years and then you have residency for life without having to make any visa anymore

PM me if more info wanted

Have a nice week end.

[fireplay]

Hello

To stop that b... about Brazil.. here is a link; Long term visas are VERY difficult to get.. For retirement visas you need to justify more than 2000 dollars income per month to get it..(as real fell a lot recently it is no more 3600 dollars per month, but apparently it is planned to put the level in reals higher to get back to arount 3500 dollars per month). Here a link..

http://novayork.itamaraty.gov.br/en-us/visas.xml

For retired, here is the copy of the text..

) Retired person

• Documents required from the applicant and his/her dependents :
• affidavit of the payment institution on means of support, declaring amount of the month income and resource, certified by a notary public and legalized by the Consulate. A US$ 20.00 will be charged. Applicants must provide official documentation stating a minimum pension of R$ 6,000.00, equivalent to US$ 3,600.00 (three thousand six hundred dollars) a month per person plus 2 (two) dependents for their life term, as well as bank statement verifying service for regular transfers to Brazil. An additional R$ 2.000,00, equivalent to US$ 1,200.00 in the monthly pension will be necessary for each dependent in case the applicant has more than two dependents. (Exchange rate: 1 Real = 1.66 US Dollar)

So.. Thailand is far better

The only country easy for long term visas in South America is Argentina.. With 800 dollars income per month, you get a visa and renew it there for 3 years and then you have residency for life without having to make any visa anymore

PM me if more info wanted

Have a nice week end.

Sorry guys i should have clarified and my info was being fed to me by my brazilian mate who was translating portuguese from brazils gov immigration site. The situation i proposed would be under some stricter guidlines...working for an international company with interests in Brazil...upon my own further research it does seem especially for the retired blokes Argentina would be the way to go to get that second passport.

[NoshowJones]

I am not referring to the Bangkok atrocity, I am talking about illegal workers, a different thing altogether.

I still don't think illegal workers are making things any harder for legal westerners

The 2014 'crackdown' on tourist visas, which turned out to only be about out/in visa exempts, was focused on Vietnamese, Laotian and Russian illegal workers... do you really think the presence of those, however big, makes life 'harder for the rest of us', visa wise?

Its posted here ad nauseam, but I see no real correlation.

I think people just want to feel better about doing things 'by the book', imagining that they're somehow appreciated more by Thailand for being legal... this in a country which itself is engaged in human trafficking for profit.

Illegal workers have made it more difficult for some people under 50 years old to stay in Thailand.

I am not saying it is right or wrong, but many younger folk used to live full time in Thailand and do

border runs every 90 days. Was illegal workers not mainly responsible for this being stopped?

I knew one guy who lived in Thailand and contributed financially to his girlfriends business, he also got rent

every month from his house being let in the UK. Last I heard he is now living in Laos.

[domdom]

Hello

Any country in the world (or most of them) offer easily visas for people working for international companies..

I clarify Argentina's easy visa is not only for retired.. For retired the monthly income to prove is 200 dollars ( 2000 pesos) and for "rentistas" without any age condition the income should be 800 dollars per month (8000 pesos). They want a proof of income outside the country (bank rents, flat rents etc.. etc..)

Have a nice day

[fireplay]

Hello

Any country in the world (or most of them) offer easily visas for people working for international companies..

I clarify Argentina's easy visa is not only for retired.. For retired the monthly income to prove is 200 dollars ( 2000 pesos) and for "rentistas" without any age condition the income should be 800 dollars per month (8000 pesos). They want a proof of income outside the country (bank rents, flat rents etc.. etc..)

Have a nice day

How are the beaches in argentina?

[domdom]

There you can forget about beaches unless you like cold water and crowdy beaches ...

To got there you have to enjoy countryside, lakes, horses etc..

Have a nice day

[Nice Boyd]

There you can forget about beaches unless you like cold water and crowdy beaches ...

To got there you have to enjoy countryside, lakes, horses etc..

Have a nice day

it's worth living there just for the Steaks and Chimmichura sauce...Argentina

[domdom]

Yes, and after some weeks, you get fed up of steaks..

[Michael8511]

Guys. What the big problem with the Cambodia border visa. Just be honest most of the hundreds of border crossings there per day are visa runs. If you have a tourist visa you can get the 3rd mont at local immigration office. At the land crossing you will get 14 days. This visa runs are as we all know used by people that are living in Thailand and for some reason can't get a retirement or marriage visa. If you are a tourist and like to stay longer time in Thailand get the proper visa and you will not have any problem. I can assure you that if a person would be crossing the US border and renew their visa every time the visa expired would have serious problems and not be welcome back to US for 6-10 years. In all honesty visa runs and language schools is not a way to live legally in Thailand neither work there. I think it's about time that all visa run applicants realize this and get the correct visa and you would not have problem. I just feel bad for all back packers that are moving around in the area and need to use the land border crossings as they are on low budget. There is to much talks here about ways to use visa runs and how to be able to get these visas at the lowest cost without getting a tourist visa. Thai immigration can read so it was just a ticking bomb until they would close the land borders. And guys how do you think the visa run organizers get your visa so fast when you are at the casino, money talks here too.

[phrodan]

They should just ban all out-in runs. People have been abusing them for years.

Why your concern over the visa status of people you don't know in a country you are not a citizen of and have no rights therein?

I bet that looked a clever reply when you wrote it.

My concern is that I and many others are being buffeted by constantly changing visa regulations due to people abusing them.

I'll point out to you that two of the people that liked your post use a visa service in Pattaya that guarantees retirement extensions for a mere 25,000 baht - no need to prove the 65,000 income level or 800,000 baht. Corruption much? illegal much?

As normal, it's the people who do the right thing that will end up paying the price for these chancing, hypocritical clowns.......

ps - if they ever catch on to the 65,000 baht electronic wheelspin half of the retirement visas in Thailand will be nullified overnight.