How far has America really progressed?

[Lite Beer]

EDITORIAL
How far has America really progressed?
The Nation

WASHINGTON: -- Donald Trump's strange response to a question about the 'threat' posed by Muslims to the US, raises questions about him and bigotry in general

It was Donald Trump's moment of truth and the questions didn't even come from his competitors but from an ordinary person at a town hall meeting at a local high school in New Hampshire.

The question to Trump, the front-runner in the 2016 Republican campaign and a billionaire property mogul, was combined with a statement: "We have a problem in this country. It's called Muslims. We know our current president is one," the man said of Barack Obama. "You know he's not even an American?"

"We have training camps growing where they want to kill us. That's my question," the man in the audience continued, "When can we get rid of it?"

At that very moment, Trump had a decision to make. Should he answer the question to the best of his ability or should he rebuke the questioner who had not only insulted Muslims but was wrong about Obama's faith and nationality.

Trump mumbled on, as vaguely as possible, about how bad things are out there but essentially said: "We're going to be looking at that and plenty of other things."

The questioner was speaking into a microphone, and his remarks was heard by several journalists sitting near the back of the gymnasium, according to press reports.

But no matter how hard his campaign people said he didn't hear the entire question, the damage has been done.

Trump's refusal to rebut the question suggest that he is a man who is unable to think on his feet. Although no American presidents ever make major decisions without consulting top advisers and strategists, the ability to think on one's feet is also important, especially during the campaigning when candidates on a campaign trail never know what kind of question is going to be thrown at them.

It may not be a fair thing to do but people do actually judge the candidate from how he or she reacted and their response to such questions while on their feet.

"He knew, or he should have known, that what that man was asking was not only way out of bounds, it was untrue," said Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton who was quick to condemn Trump's response in New Hampshire.

"He should have from the beginning repudiated that kind of rhetoric, that level of hatefulness."

Condemnation from the Clinton camp could be expected. But what's sad about this whole thing is that his fellow Republicans are keeping mum, refusing to denounce Trump's cynical strategy probably for fear of losing votes. What about self respect?

The incident at New Hampshire was not the only the bigotry Americans face. There are plenty of other examples and incidents. The challenge is what one is to do about it.

The recent incident involving the arrest of a young Muslim schoolboy in Texas over a clock his teacher thought was a bomb.

The young man was trying to impress his teacher with the electronic clock that he had assembled. What a nerd, one might say. But the fact that he was a Muslim, and that he was carrying a gadget that beeped, was enough to handcuffed him and put him through an interrogation.

The fact that America has elected a black president is also a testimony of how things have changed. In fact, it was only a few decades ago - and within the lifetime of many of these US presidential candidates - that many American public figures commonly referred to blacks as "niggers" on television or public events knowing how offensive that was.

And although America's treatment of the blacks left a deep ugly scar in its history, the country and its society has shown the world that it can come to terms with the past by admitting its mistakes, acknowledge the contribution of its minorities, named parks, cities and roads after the people they locked up in reservations and praised those who helped push through the Civil Rights movement. For that America deserved to be praised.

Unfortunately, it's people like Ahmed, the boy with the clock, who are becoming the latest outcasts.

What's disturbing is that people like Trump and other public figures see no need to speak about such bigotry or how their unwillingness to talk about such things reflects poorly on American political culture and institutions.

But the fact that Trump can get away with what he says about Muslims, women, ethnic minorities suggests that America has not come very far, in terms of mindset, from the days when American public figures openly used the N-word.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/How-far-has-America-really-progressed-30269157.html

-- The Nation 2015-09-20

[ezzra]

All is fair in love and war, and now you can also add politics to it, there have been a many presidents, PM, monarchs

and all kind of head of states with closets full of skeletons and deeds that were kept well covered for many decades,

it has been know that people will do anything to get to this coveted office or positions, including selling their own souls

to the devil and indulge in murders of opponents like we know so well in this country,

So for a candidate to receive a inappropriate questions and not response to in in a proper manner is not new,

and Trump is no different....

[JakeSully]

Racism hides in plain sight.

In the 1500's colonialism of the United States started.

In the 1600 and 1700's Irish women (who were not thought to be white) were bred with slaves (blacks) like cattle to produce mutt slaves since it was cheaper to breed than to import from slavers bringing slaves on boats from Africa.

In the 1860's a war was fought over slavery after the President issued the Emancipation Proclamation.

In the 1940's when Japanese could not be trusted after Pearl Harbor, they were shipped off into camps. Italians too had their things confiscated since they were not considered true Americans.

In the 1950's and 60's riots took place over whether black students could attend a white school or ride in the front of the bus. The Ku Klux Klan lynched and killed 3 whites to make a point that they didn't want anyone helping blacks. The battle flag was raised to show resistance to change.

In the 1960's Star Trek's first kiss with Captain Kirk and Uhura under a spell had to be edited out because it was too controversial in the Deep South.

In the 1990's.. the world watched as Rodney King's attackers were acquitted of assault and excessive force despite the video tape.

In the 2000's.. 30 states amended their constitution to deny equal rights to gay people.

All of these have been overcome but it's a constant struggle as bigots will always find a new way to show their superiority and xenophobia of others.

We've come a lot further than the editorial's write thinks but we at least have the power to overcome wrongs.

And regarding this Muslim thing.. Trump wants to be the next POTUS. The people will decide themselves if they're scared of Muslims or bigots. I think it will be the latter.

[Pimay1]

The incident at New Hampshire was not the only the bigotry Americans face. There are plenty of other examples and incidents. The challenge is what one is to do about it.

That is really rich coming from a news organization in a country where racism and bigotry are not the exception but the norm. How about "How far has Thailand really progressed?" Sweep around your own front door comes to mind.

Edited September 20, 2015 by Pimay1

[canuckamuck]

Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim? I mean if the progressives are all hot about making Muslims as American as apple pie, surely calling the president one should not get the same reaction as if this man committed a hate crime.

As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,

[NeverSure]

Racism hides in plain sight.

What race is gay or Muslim? Racism?

[JakeSully]

In a bigot's mind being gay, muslim, black, brown, yellow, russian, communist is all reason to discrimate. But lesbians are welcome as long as they like putting on a show!

[Seastallion]

Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim? I mean if the progressives are all hot about making Muslims as American as apple pie, surely calling the president one should not get the same reaction as if this man committed a hate crime.

As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,

"Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim?"

No, it's not. But your spin is hollow. The redneck prefaced his question with the statement that "There's something wrong with America, and that is Muslims...".

That is an insult to Muslims, and to then go on and assert that the POTUS is one of those people that are "wrong with America" is an insult to him.

How do you see so clearly that it is true that there are camps where Muslims plot to kill Americans? It's your imagination, not fact.

You'd better call the FBI, because they haven't come across any camps recently, except camps run by and for "survivalists" that are plotting to kill Muslims and fight the "gummint".

Edited September 20, 2015 by Seastallion

[canuckamuck]

Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim? I mean if the progressives are all hot about making Muslims as American as apple pie, surely calling the president one should not get the same reaction as if this man committed a hate crime.

As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,

"Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim?"

No, it's not. But your spin is hollow. The redneck prefaced his question with the statement that "There's something wrong with America, and that is Muslims...".

That is an insult to Muslims, and to then go on and assert that the POTUS is one of those people that are "wrong with America" is an insult to him.

How do you see so clearly that it is true that there are camps where Muslims plot to kill Americans? It's your imagination, not fact.

You'd better call the FBI, because they haven't come across any camps recently, except camps run by and for "survivalists" that are plotting to kill Muslims and fight the "gummint".

The cells are over the world, The FBI uncovers them occasionally, so you are wrong. Have you missed the last 15 years of Jihad?

[Credo]

Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim? I mean if the progressives are all hot about making Muslims as American as apple pie, surely calling the president one should not get the same reaction as if this man committed a hate crime.

As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,

I don't know who, or even if either scenario is insulting. It is factually incorrect. That's all. Sadly, it is used to denigrate a person and to malalign a religion.

It is fear mongering at it's best. Terrorist cells are quite different from training camps.

Trump is getting to be more of a disappointment every day and every time he opens his mouth. There is very little substance.

[Seastallion]

Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim? I mean if the progressives are all hot about making Muslims as American as apple pie, surely calling the president one should not get the same reaction as if this man committed a hate crime.

As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,

"Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim?"

No, it's not. But your spin is hollow. The redneck prefaced his question with the statement that "There's something wrong with America, and that is Muslims...".

That is an insult to Muslims, and to then go on and assert that the POTUS is one of those people that are "wrong with America" is an insult to him.

How do you see so clearly that it is true that there are camps where Muslims plot to kill Americans? It's your imagination, not fact.

You'd better call the FBI, because they haven't come across any camps recently, except camps run by and for "survivalists" that are plotting to kill Muslims and fight the "gummint".

The cells are over the world, The FBI uncovers them occasionally, so you are wrong. Have you missed the last 15 years of Jihad?

The "camps" in question are purported to be IN America.....would you please link us with evidence (that you so clearly know about) of camps in America where Muslims plot to kill Americans.

Then call me wrong.

[canuckamuck]

Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim? I mean if the progressives are all hot about making Muslims as American as apple pie, surely calling the president one should not get the same reaction as if this man committed a hate crime.

As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,

I don't know who, or even if either scenario is insulting. It is factually incorrect. That's all. Sadly, it is used to denigrate a person and to malalign a religion.

It is fear mongering at it's best. Terrorist cells are quite different from training camps.

Trump is getting to be more of a disappointment every day and every time he opens his mouth. There is very little substance.

The man was exercising free speech, He believes America is threatened by cultural change, the same cultural change that has turned parts of North Africa into a bloodbath.

But the people are not angry with the man, they are angry because Trump did not respond in the prescribed PC fashion.

[canuckamuck]

Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim? I mean if the progressives are all hot about making Muslims as American as apple pie, surely calling the president one should not get the same reaction as if this man committed a hate crime.

As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,

"Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim?"

No, it's not. But your spin is hollow. The redneck prefaced his question with the statement that "There's something wrong with America, and that is Muslims...".

That is an insult to Muslims, and to then go on and assert that the POTUS is one of those people that are "wrong with America" is an insult to him.

How do you see so clearly that it is true that there are camps where Muslims plot to kill Americans? It's your imagination, not fact.

You'd better call the FBI, because they haven't come across any camps recently, except camps run by and for "survivalists" that are plotting to kill Muslims and fight the "gummint".

The cells are over the world, The FBI uncovers them occasionally, so you are wrong. Have you missed the last 15 years of Jihad?

The "camps" in question are purported to be IN America.....would you please link us with evidence (that you so clearly know about) of camps in America where Muslims plot to kill Americans.

Then call me wrong.

As usual the debate turns to semantics. You will stick to the term camps and disregard the term cell. Is there really so much difference? You can't have one without the other, and certainly they have discovered cells. The 9/11 gang were trained in camps and then became cells.

[Credo]

Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim? I mean if the progressives are all hot about making Muslims as American as apple pie, surely calling the president one should not get the same reaction as if this man committed a hate crime.

As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,

I don't know who, or even if either scenario is insulting. It is factually incorrect. That's all. Sadly, it is used to denigrate a person and to malalign a religion.

It is fear mongering at it's best. Terrorist cells are quite different from training camps.

Trump is getting to be more of a disappointment every day and every time he opens his mouth. There is very little substance.

The man was exercising free speech, He believes America is threatened by cultural change, the same cultural change that has turned parts of North Africa into a bloodbath.

But the people are not angry with the man, they are angry because Trump did not respond in the prescribed PC fashion.

The man is not asking a question. He is making a statement and the statement is factually false.

It has nothing to do with being PC.

A training camp is very, very different from a terrorist cell.

[Seastallion]

"Canuckamuck said "As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,""

"Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim?"

No, it's not. But your spin is hollow. The redneck prefaced his question with the statement that "There's something wrong with America, and that is Muslims...".

That is an insult to Muslims, and to then go on and assert that the POTUS is one of those people that are "wrong with America" is an insult to him.

How do you see so clearly that it is true that there are camps where Muslims plot to kill Americans? It's your imagination, not fact.

You'd better call the FBI, because they haven't come across any camps recently, except camps run by and for "survivalists" that are plotting to kill Muslims and fight the "gummint".

The cells are over the world, The FBI uncovers them occasionally, so you are wrong. Have you missed the last 15 years of Jihad?

The "camps" in question are purported to be IN America.....would you please link us with evidence (that you so clearly know about) of camps in America where Muslims plot to kill Americans.

Then call me wrong.

As usual the debate turns to semantics. You will stick to the term camps and disregard the term cell. Is there really so much difference? You can't have one without the other, and certainly they have discovered cells. The 9/11 gang were trained in camps and then became cells.

It's not semantics at all. A "training camp" is very different from a cell. You claim that there are tarining camps of Muslims. You also claim that they are ISIS....and now it appears you base that on pre-ISIS incidents, and you can NOT show any evidence that there are "Muslim training camps".

[Seastallion]

Is it insulting to Muslims to call Obama a Muslim, or is it insulting to Obama to be called a Muslim? I mean if the progressives are all hot about making Muslims as American as apple pie, surely calling the president one should not get the same reaction as if this man committed a hate crime.

As far as there being camps where Muslims are plotting the death of Americans, clearly this is true. ISIS and others have cells everywhere,

I don't know who, or even if either scenario is insulting. It is factually incorrect. That's all. Sadly, it is used to denigrate a person and to malalign a religion.

It is fear mongering at it's best. Terrorist cells are quite different from training camps.

Trump is getting to be more of a disappointment every day and every time he opens his mouth. There is very little substance.

The man was exercising free speech, He believes America is threatened by cultural change, the same cultural change that has turned parts of North Africa into a bloodbath.

But the people are not angry with the man, they are angry because Trump did not respond in the prescribed PC fashion.

Now you're making an interpretation of what the man said. He said nothing (and implied nothing) about "cultural change". He was very clear that he hates Muslims, period.

People are not angry with the man because people make mental excuses for idiots...he's a redneck bigot, what else can we expect from him? Also, he's not running for POTUS, who we expect to have a few more brains and a bit more decency.

Edited September 20, 2015 by Seastallion

[Credo]

I don't want to get into a discussion about semantics, but mistaking a training camp for a cell is a little like mistaking a green light for a red light. They are both a color, but still very different. I think it is would be rather difficult to have a training camp in the US and have it go undiscovered. It's possible, but highly unlikely. There are probably plenty of cells and plenty of people being tracked.

If Trump wants to impress, then he should impress with knowledge.

[NeverSure]

In a bigot's mind being gay, muslim, black, brown, yellow, russian, communist is all reason to discrimate. But lesbians are welcome as long as they like putting on a show!

So, there would be no bigots among the gay, muslim, black, brown, yellow, russian, or communist populations?

Wouldn't it depend upon whose ox is being gored?

Which of the above groups contain no people who are bigoted against Christians or Jews?

[Seastallion]

Racism hides in plain sight.

In the 1500's colonialism of the United States started.

In the 1600 and 1700's Irish women (who were not thought to be white) were bred with slaves (blacks) like cattle to produce mutt slaves since it was cheaper to breed than to import from slavers bringing slaves on boats from Africa.

In the 1860's a war was fought over slavery after the President issued the Emancipation Proclamation.

In the 1940's when Japanese could not be trusted after Pearl Harbor, they were shipped off into camps. Italians too had their things confiscated since they were not considered true Americans.

In the 1950's and 60's riots took place over whether black students could attend a white school or ride in the front of the bus. The Ku Klux Klan lynched and killed 3 whites to make a point that they didn't want anyone helping blacks. The battle flag was raised to show resistance to change.

In the 1960's Star Trek's first kiss with Captain Kirk and Uhura under a spell had to be edited out because it was too controversial in the Deep South.

In the 1990's.. the world watched as Rodney King's attackers were acquitted of assault and excessive force despite the video tape.

In the 2000's.. 30 states amended their constitution to deny equal rights to gay people.

All of these have been overcome but it's a constant struggle as bigots will always find a new way to show their superiority and xenophobia of others.

We've come a lot further than the editorial's write thinks but we at least have the power to overcome wrongs.

And regarding this Muslim thing.. Trump wants to be the next POTUS. The people will decide themselves if they're scared of Muslims or bigots. I think it will be the latter.

To tie it in with the other topic....

[ABCer]

The old love, hatred or fear never dies.

In our compulsion to be Politically Correct (when was it born? why do we need it?) we invent various 'new' terminology. For example:

A formerly called anti-Semite calls himself anti-Zionist. And feels like being kosher.

A formerly called Inquisitor calls himself a zealot for pure Christianity. And feels like being a Saint.

A formerly called murderer, rapist and slaver of all people he considers unfaithful infidels calls himself a Jihadist. And feels like being halal.

A formerly called black or a negro calls himself an Afro-American. And feels like being ... I don't know what he feels? White? Equal? Undercover? Different?

A formerly called Communist calls himself a Democrat. And feels like he acquired a 'human face'.

A formerly called homosexual calls himself a sexually disoriented person. And feels like being 'normal'.

etc. etc. etc.

First I want to point out that a new name does not change the subject, the object or the concept. Not in the least.

Now back to OP. Though it wasn't stated in the article title, I guess the progress of America is estimated in the sense of politics, political correctness, religious beliefs, religious differences or fear of imminent faith driven violence.

Some posters reduced it to Islamophobia. Some posters deny the existence of basis for such fear.

The fear is not baseless. Otherwise it is difficult to explain many events starting from 9/11, to Boston bombing, to mass shootings in schools and churches right across America.

The explanation reducing the issue to Islamophobia is more interesting. A phobia is a psychological or psychiatric condition. The science holds that it is not baseless. Usually it is based on some memories.

Could it be based on our genetic memories of fears from 7th to 12th Centuries? Could it have been reinforced by what we see happening today in Middle East? In Europe?

I cannot speak for many other people. From different countries, of different faiths, with different life experiences.

I can only speak for myself.

I am not Religious.

I do not fear Catholics. I do not fear Jews. I do not fear Protestants. I do not fear Buddhists.

I am afraid of Muslims. I do not want to convert. I do not want to be killed. I do not want to live as a Dhimmi or a slave.

I am an Islamophobe! And I have a good reason for it.

All the Politically Correct people disapproving this can go to... Hereford and Hartwood.

[squarethecircle]

As far as the bigotry claim, at 0:47 Trump clearly states "most Muslims are wonderful people." Why is it that leftists think that anyone who does not conform to their narrow worldview is a bigot?

[Berkshire]

What people outside of America don't get is that the majority of Americans don't think the same as that racist dude...or even Trump. I would imagine some non-Americans tuning in to that GOP debate think that the only people running for POTUS were on that stage. So damage is already being done internationally in terms of people's perception of the USA. But the GOP is not America and is becoming more irrelevant by the day. We should thank Trump for this, although the Huckabee's and Cruz's of that party are even more dangerous. This will all blow over in 2016 when the Dems win yet again...no matter who comes out from that party.

[Seastallion]

Now back to OP. Though it wasn't stated in the article title, I guess the progress of America is estimated in the sense of politics, political correctness, religious beliefs, religious differences or fear of imminent faith driven violence.

Some posters reduced it to Islamophobia. Some posters deny the existence of basis for such fear.

The fear is not baseless. Otherwise it is difficult to explain many events starting from 9/11, to Boston bombing, to mass shootings in schools and churches right across America.

The explanation reducing the issue to Islamophobia is more interesting. A phobia is a psychological or psychiatric condition. The science holds that it is not baseless. Usually it is based on some memories.

Could it be based on our genetic memories of fears from 7th to 12th Centuries? Could it have been reinforced by what we see happening today in Middle East? In Europe?

I cannot speak for many other people. From different countries, of different faiths, with different life experiences.

I can only speak for myself.

I am not Religious.

I do not fear Catholics. I do not fear Jews. I do not fear Protestants. I do not fear Buddhists.

I am afraid of Muslims. I do not want to convert. I do not want to be killed. I do not want to live as a Dhimmi or a slave.

I am an Islamophobe! And I have a good reason for it.

All the Politically Correct people disapproving this can go to... Hereford and Hartwood.

" A phobia is a psychological or psychiatric condition". "I am an Islamophobe!"

Well, I suppose we should congratulate you on admitting your mental affliction.

Does this mean people have to make allowances for you, quietly tut-tutting but excusing your bigotry?

Would you make the same allowances for Judeophobes, as JT calls them?

[Seastallion]

As far as the bigotry claim, at 0:47 Trump clearly states "most Muslims are wonderful people." Why is it that leftists think that anyone who does not conform to their narrow worldview is a bigot?

He's a bigot because he makes it out to be the entire religion. "There's a Muslim problem" is clear. He tries to mitigate it by saying "most Muslims are wonderful people", but that doesn't cut it. If he thinks it's just a few, then he should say "There's a problem with a few Muslims".

He chooses to encompass the entire group.

[Steely Dan]

Operationally Obama is a Muslim, whether or not he actually is one is besides the point, actions trump labels every time in determining what is what.

As for the op, the use of the word 'progressed' is an Orwellian inversion, it has actually regressed during the last six years in terms of its world standing and the assaults on its constitution and cynical attempts to divide and rule from within.

Edited September 20, 2015 by Steely Dan

[Seastallion]

What people outside of America don't get is that the majority of Americans don't think the same as that racist dude...or even Trump. I would imagine some non-Americans tuning in to that GOP debate think that the only people running for POTUS were on that stage. So damage is already being done internationally in terms of people's perception of the USA. But the GOP is not America and is becoming more irrelevant by the day. We should thank Trump for this, although the Huckabee's and Cruz's of that party are even more dangerous. This will all blow over in 2016 when the Dems win yet again...no matter who comes out from that party.

What you don't get is that these people claim to represent the people that vote for them. Politicians ARE representative of their constituents.

[Seastallion]

Operationally Obama is a Muslim, whether or not he actually is one is besides the point, actions trump labels every time in determining what is what.

Perhaps the most ridiculous statement ever posted to these boards.

What exactly is "operationally Muslim"? What does a Muslim operate like?

[Steely Dan]

Operationally Obama is a Muslim, whether or not he actually is one is besides the point, actions trump labels every time in determining what is what.

Perhaps the most ridiculous statement ever posted to these boards.

What exactly is "operationally Muslim"? What does a Muslim operate like?

Aid Hijira (Muslim immigration).

Pedal fictions about Islam's place in U.S history.

Show sympathy towards alien blasphemy laws over your own constitution.

Invoke Muslim privilege at every step such as inviting a kid to the White House because he was suspended from school.

Seed your government departments with Muslim brotherhood sympathizers.

Facilitate the birth of a Caliphate by retreating from the Middle East leaving a vacuum in its place.

Stop the FBI and CIA from profiling by religion whilst one religion is by far and away the most problematic.

Hide and obfuscate jihadist attacks by calling them anything but the terrorism they are - for example the Fort Hood murder was classified as workplace violence.

Actively campaign for Muslim candidates standing against Christian ones in Kenya, Nigeria to name but two.

To do everything in his power to undermine the sole Jewish state in the world by paving the way for her genocidal mortal enemy to become a nuclear power.

The list is endless, he could dress like a Hare Krishna or Jain but as I stated operationally Obama might as well be Muslim.

[jalansanitwong]

What Muslim country welcomes Christians ? I cant think of any. Muslims are the most intolerant hateful people on the planet. Virtually all terrosist attacks can be blamed on muslims.

There are hundreds of mosques in Europe. How many cathedrals are there in saudi Arabia, Iran or UAE?

How many ISIS terrorists and criminals have mingled in with the millions of economic refugees from Syria and other backwater places?

The Christian world is welcoming these rejects which explains why Christianity is in decline and many are converting to Buddhism and Hinduism or nothing at all.

Refugees are not legitimate migrants. Migrants have a documented medical history and many have financial means.. Refugees have neither.

The biggest threat to the west is all these mindless minority socialists and PC do-gooders who despise , loathe and publicly ridcule everyone that disagrees with their pathetic social engineering agenda..

Europe will fall over first then Australia and USA.

[ABCer]

With love and condolences to many posters on TV:

Islamophobia is not Racism! Never was and never will be.

Islam is a religious cum political cum social way of life. It does not belong to any Race, Nationality or Ethnicity.

One may be a Jew, an Indian, a redskin american Indian, a black African, a Scott or an Arab and be a Muslim.

All this Politically Correct crap about 'Good Muslims' does not hold water.

There is only one Allah, only one Mohammed, only one Q'uran and only one way of life according to them.

Anything or anybody not conforming is to be exterminated. Physically. Preferably with great pain.

This is exactly why Righteous Muslims (Jihadis) are exterminating, raping and enslaving not only Infidels but your 'Good Muslims'.

Besides, the endless supply of Jihadis comes from all Races, all Nationalities, all countries and from 'Good Muslims' as well.

The last Crusade was a very long time ago. We didn't win. We made a truce. It was holding for over 600 years beautifully.

The West and Islam had a healthy respect for each other. And apart from trade and some cultural interaction there were no major wars or territorial claims.

Than, about 50 - 60 years back some accursed group of Liberals have evolved so much as to invent

Political Correctness

Tolerance

Multiculturalism

Sexual revolution

Globalization.

All of which were offered to Islam!

Of course Islam took all this offerings as a clear sign of weakness. And it was right!

Islam did not evolve. Islam knows no Liberalization and nothing that comes with it.

Bingo! Your Europe is lost to Islam irrevocably! Refugees from Islamic countries are demanding(!) entry.

Muslims (good and bad) demand(!) Sharia Laws in areas of their concentration. Muslims rape European women for not conforming to their ways.

Muslims (good and bad) quickly replace Europeans by out-breeding them in all of Europe.

And what do we see in America?

Obama teaching: "I praise Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings … a faith known for great diversity and racial equality.” He must be mad!

Trump trying eloquence: " We do have Muslim problems... but most Muslims are wonderful people..."

A Plaque on both your households!