ThaiBob Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Since Volkswagen has shot itself in the foot, http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/09/23/vw-volkswagen-winterkorn-first-take-resign/72677478/ Are VW diesels sold in Thailand? Will the fallout impact the proposed new Thailand plant. Will Audi, BMW and MB diesels come out unscathed as the reputation of the German car industry is damaged? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Who knows... to all questions. All I can say is, don't be surprised if more 'special ECU programs' are discovered... Over the years I've heard several rumors of such. Not just for FE/emissions tests either - I've even heard a rumor of a special program to pass noise pollution tests. All just rumors though, so not naming anything Edited September 24, 2015 by IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartman Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Thailand ideal market for the technology expect Bosch are well involved so any thing with that OE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) I wonder what VW are going to display on their "Eco Stickers" that become mandatory this December? http://car.go.th/ For that matter, I wonder what they're all going to display Under the 2016 tax rules, it's not just about fines - it's about taxes applied too. Double whammy. Edited September 24, 2015 by IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinkpanther99 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 This article says Audi A3, 2009 – 2015 are also affected by this. I'm not sure the image of VW will ever recover. I also wouldn't bet against VW being the only car maker involved in such malpractice. And I've no idea if VW in Thailand are affected. I would be pretty angry if I was a VW owner right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) They offer models with TDI (turbo diesel) motors. No idea whether its the motor affected by the fraud. http://www.volkswagen.co.th/en/models/Scirocco/trimlevel_overview.s9_trimlevel_detail.suffix.html/scirocco~2F2-0-tdi.html#/tab=894f82042d7129139dfdfe3cc92666d1 VW is a small player in Thailand. Expensive and no prestige. Thats a nono. Even the distribution/marketing seems to be in Singapore? BMW and Mercedes are bigger here. I often saw BMW diesel cars, 5 series. Lets hope that BMW and the other German manufacturers are "clean" Edited September 24, 2015 by KhunBENQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) Here's what the elephant in the room wants to ask: What if all manufacturers are found to have done the same? Should we all be rushing out to buy our diesel cars now, before diesel cars are either pulled from sale to avoid litigation/taxes/fines, or even just banned? Edited September 24, 2015 by IMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornishcarlos Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I think VW were going to buy Red Bull F1 team, guess that deal is off the table now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 I think VW were going to buy Red Bull F1 team, guess that deal is off the table now Reckon they might need to save that money now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 A bit more on the story, looks like VW were not the first to be caught. Something similar was picked up on trucks in 1998. http://www.vox.com/2015/9/21/9365667/volkswagen-clean-diesel-recall-passenger-cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace of Pop Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Here's what the elephant in the room wants to ask: What if all manufacturers are found to have done the same? Should we all be rushing out to buy our diesel cars now, before diesel cars are either pulled from sale to avoid litigation/taxes/fines, or even just banned? BlueTEC will be within a few sights, I should think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireboy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Should be some cheap VWs on the market going forward... even the petrol ones being savaged by this! I wonder if it will bring down any bad sentiment on their other brands such as Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb17 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 They offer models with TDI (turbo diesel) motors. No idea whether its the motor affected by the fraud. http://www.volkswagen.co.th/en/models/Scirocco/trimlevel_overview.s9_trimlevel_detail.suffix.html/scirocco~2F2-0-tdi.html#/tab=894f82042d7129139dfdfe3cc92666d1 VW is a small player in Thailand. Expensive and no prestige. Thats a nono. Even the distribution/marketing seems to be in Singapore? BMW and Mercedes are bigger here. I often saw BMW diesel cars, 5 series. Lets hope that BMW and the other German manufacturers are "clean" BBC ran an article about the guy who tested the VW cars - he said a BMW X 5 was actually cleaner than the published figures on the road. So looks like BMW kept their act together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IMHO Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Should be some cheap VWs on the market going forward... even the petrol ones being savaged by this! I wonder if it will bring down any bad sentiment on their other brands such as Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche?? Well ignoring Audi, because the Q3 is part of the scandal... do you feel any ill sentiment towards Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini or Porsche as a result? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MobileContent Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 They offer models with TDI (turbo diesel) motors. No idea whether its the motor affected by the fraud. http://www.volkswagen.co.th/en/models/Scirocco/trimlevel_overview.s9_trimlevel_detail.suffix.html/scirocco~2F2-0-tdi.html#/tab=894f82042d7129139dfdfe3cc92666d1 VW is a small player in Thailand. Expensive and no prestige. Thats a nono. Even the distribution/marketing seems to be in Singapore? BMW and Mercedes are bigger here. I often saw BMW diesel cars, 5 series. Lets hope that BMW and the other German manufacturers are "clean" BBC ran an article about the guy who tested the VW cars - he said a BMW X 5 was actually cleaner than the published figures on the road. So looks like BMW kept their act together. +1 You are correct. Mercedes Benz refused by the way to provide a car for the tests and their is a possibility that Mercedes Benz might be tested soon. Volvo by the way had the worse test of all and Renault too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 This article says Audi A3, 2009 – 2015 are also affected by this. I'm not sure the image of VW will ever recover. I also wouldn't bet against VW being the only car maker involved in such malpractice. And I've no idea if VW in Thailand are affected. I would be pretty angry if I was a VW owner right now Why? like pollution of anything is a major concern in Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
empireboy Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Should be some cheap VWs on the market going forward... even the petrol ones being savaged by this! I wonder if it will bring down any bad sentiment on their other brands such as Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche?? Well ignoring Audi, because the Q3 is part of the scandal... do you feel any ill sentiment towards Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini or Porsche as a result? I don't really expect so, but it sure doesn't help them! This sort of behaviour is not something one expects from such an enduring brand as VW... terrible shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nithisa78 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Who knows... to all questions. All I can say is, don't be surprised if more 'special ECU programs' are discovered... Over the years I've heard several rumors of such. Not just for FE/emissions tests either - I've even heard a rumor of a special program to pass noise pollution tests. All just rumors though, so not naming anything perfect another old woman spreading rumors. just so you understand why your life goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Wonderful Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Who knows... to all questions. All I can say is, don't be surprised if more 'special ECU programs' are discovered... Over the years I've heard several rumors of such. Not just for FE/emissions tests either - I've even heard a rumor of a special program to pass noise pollution tests. All just rumors though, so not naming anything Seems so. Diesel-Skandal noch größer? - BMW überschreitet europäische Abgasnorm deutlich http://focus.de/4969260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangmick Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Should be some cheap VWs on the market going forward... even the petrol ones being savaged by this! I wonder if it will bring down any bad sentiment on their other brands such as Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche?? Well ignoring Audi, because the Q3 is part of the scandal... do you feel any ill sentiment towards Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini or Porsche as a result? If I could afford any of the above, I would join the rest of the owners and care nothing about the rest of us peasants. All unsuitable for Thai roads anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toany Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) it seems that the extra pollution is likely to have killed some people. If this is true. It is Germany that should be carrying out the investigation. They should take everybody involved to court. From the person that wrote the coed up to the CEO. Any person involved should either be fined or jailed. Millions of people have bought VW cars because of lies told to them. Each one of them deserves compensation. Compensation should be paid until VW does not have any money or assets left. When questions were asked in 2014, the company again lied and tried to cover up their cheating. If Germany does not investigate these events, it will reflect badly on Germany. Like the German soldiers that committed mass murder during World War I and II. Following orders is not an excuse. Hundreds of VW employees have knowingly been involved in polluting the world and deceiving the public and authorities. A VW internal investigation should not be acceptable. Edited September 24, 2015 by Toany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FredNL Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Emission tests in Thailand ??? They even don't know how high the CO emission must be, after the installation of LPG- / LPi-system. I searched whole BKK for a CO meter and had one flown in from the Netherlands. You had to see the faces !!! Before they set the system using the onboard CPU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Should be some cheap VWs on the market going forward... even the petrol ones being savaged by this! I wonder if it will bring down any bad sentiment on their other brands such as Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche?? Well ignoring Audi, because the Q3 is part of the scandal... do you feel any ill sentiment towards Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini or Porsche as a result? I'm quite concerned about my Bugatti's resale now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 Who knows... to all questions. All I can say is, don't be surprised if more 'special ECU programs' are discovered... Over the years I've heard several rumors of such. Not just for FE/emissions tests either - I've even heard a rumor of a special program to pass noise pollution tests. All just rumors though, so not naming anything perfect another old woman spreading rumors. just so you understand why your life goes wrong. I doubt very much IHMO's 'life has gone wrong'. Open your eyes and ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toany Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 VW has cheated and lied to at least 11 million customers. 11 Million people will loose money because of this. The company does not deserve to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodsie888 Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 VW has cheated and lied to at least 11 million customers. 11 Million people will loose money because of this. The company does not deserve to survive. Nearly 600,000 employees might disagree with you. Sure they've done something very wrong, we all agree with that. Maybe some other Manufacturer's are a little concerned too? Have you thought about your own position if VW were to fold or fail to survive? The world wide ramifications of such a thing would hurt us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toany Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 (edited) I am sure the CEO will disagree as well, as he walks away from his job with million in pensions. As will the 11 million who bought a VW because of lies told to them. The crime is beyond belief. The CEO should offer his pension and wages from the last 7 years to go to the cheated VW owners. Edited September 24, 2015 by Toany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim walker Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 This will be devastating news for Thailand as they are so well known globally for their pollution controls you never seen a wif of fumes from an exhaust in Bangkok even from these old green 1940's and 50s classics busses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puukao Posted September 24, 2015 Share Posted September 24, 2015 i was driving behind a VW the other day and now i feel very, very sick.. can i sue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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