Popular Post swissie Posted October 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2015 While the discussion TM 30/28 rages on. I shall be presenting my yellow House-Book for visa-extension purposes next week at Nakhon Pathom Immigration. If not accepted as legal proof of residence, I shall be tearing up my yellow house book on the spot and in full view of everyone present and will deposit the remains of my house book in the nearest waist basket. End of message. Cheers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMac Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 You don't need a house book for extension of stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oncearugge Posted October 1, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 1, 2015 I am sure the tantrum will be a great source of amusement. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 You don't need a house book for extension of stay. There are immigration offices that do require it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 They will accept your house book as proof of residence. But they could ask for the owner of the resdience that the yellow book is for to do a TM30. A TM28 would only be needed if you are changing your address. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMac Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 There are immigration offices that do require it. Perhaps for retirement. But the immigration is the authority to issue such residence certificates. So chicken & egg. Got my yellow book copies returned when applying for extension. That is on marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 There are immigration offices that do require it. Perhaps for retirement. But the immigration is the authority to issue such residence certificates. So chicken & egg. Got my yellow book copies returned when applying for extension. That is on marriage. I'm on marriage and they keep my copies. As I said some immigrations offices do and its is very plain that the YTB is becoming more and more recognized by the Thai authortizes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fang37 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I am still very confused. Retirement visa Own a condo in CNX - up for sale - have a Yellow Book. Live in wife's house situated on MIL's land. Help me please, Dorothy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMac Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Yeah, as usual, it depends on the weather and the last night of the officer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMac Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 @Dorothy Did my last extension in CNX and yellow book was not required. Marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 I am still very confused. Retirement visa Own a condo in CNX - up for sale - have a Yellow Book. Live in wife's house situated on MIL's land. Help me please, Dorothy. If you want a YTB for the address of the house you are livening and your MIL owns that house she will be part of the process. "A YTB is address specific. There is no cancellation. When you move to a new address you must go to the issuing amphur that your original YTB was issued by and request a transfer letter to your new address and new amphur. You present these documents to your new amphur and they will issue you with a new YTB with all your details applied. You will be instructed to return your original YTB to the old address as it is the only one that will be issued to that address and the next foreigner will be aded to that YTB. I have personally been through this." The abouve is from me on another forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMac Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Answered that . They may ask you to cancel it. Not sure if it is not in the script, invented, or anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) Did my fourth extension in Khon Kaen last Tuesday. Yellow book and copies presented (like last year). They kept the copies for the files. No questions asked. Until 2013 I used copies of blue book and ID of wife. My TM30 (from my wife in 2011): never asked for. In July I did a new motorcycle license (from ground up). Yellow book was sufficient. No one asking for residence cert. from immigration. Just that they used the wrong address from the car license until I pointed them to entry in the house book Tearing apart yellow house book: maybe you should tear a Thai flag too. Could be good for some time in the monkeyhouse Edited October 1, 2015 by KhunBENQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) You don't need a house book for extension of stay. There are immigration offices that do require it. That's not very helpful. Why didn't you name at least one? I certainly don't need it here in Nakhon Sawan. When I asked the official if it was worth getting, she shrugged and said, "Up to you." (well, the Thai equivalent). I have to say I've never been asked for either document. Been on retirement visa since 1997. Edited October 2, 2015 by Acharn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendintheclowns Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Had my house built on vacant land owned by a Thai company . There is no yellow book, anyone ever apply for a yellow book, under same circumstances? What paperwork needed. Local amour has never heard of a Farang getting a yellow book. I'll deal with that by going to the capital of the province. Just need to know paperwork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maoro2013 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I believe that when I changed my address the yellow book was merely updated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fang37 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Had my house built on vacant land owned by a Thai company . There is no yellow book, anyone ever apply for a yellow book, under same circumstances? What paperwork needed. Local amour has never heard of a Farang getting a yellow book. I'll deal with that by going to the capital of the province. Just need to know paperwork. Farangs do not own land. Condo - OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Had my house built on vacant land owned by a Thai company . There is no yellow book, anyone ever apply for a yellow book, under same circumstances? What paperwork needed. Local amour has never heard of a Farang getting a yellow book. I'll deal with that by going to the capital of the province. Just need to know paperwork. Has there been a blue house book issued for the house? It there is no blue book then a yellow book cannot be issued. Only the local Amphoe can issue a house book. Going to the capital will not help because there is no provincial level entity that issues house books. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunBENQ Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I believe that when I changed my address the yellow book was merely updated. The address can not be updated. For a new house (address) a new book is needed. Fairly easy process due to the reports I have read in the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I believe that when I changed my address the yellow book was merely updated. The address can not be updated. For a new house (address) a new book is needed. Fairly easy process due to the reports I have read in the forum. As no two amphurs have the same requirements if he moved within the same amphur this is a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sendintheclowns Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Had my house built on vacant land owned by a Thai company . There is no yellow book, anyone ever apply for a yellow book, under same circumstances? What paperwork needed. Local amour has never heard of a Farang getting a yellow book. I'll deal with that by going to the capital of the province. Just need to know paperwork. Has there been a blue house book issued for the house? It there is no blue book then a yellow book cannot be issued. Only the local Amphoe can issue a house book. Going to the capital will not help because there is no provincial level entity that issues house books. Thanks for that. We have a Blue Book, issued in the name of the company; due to the planning permit being issued in the name of the company also.. We are in ourtr 790's and worried about our wills, where we treat the house as being owned by us. we paid for it personally (ie outside of the company). Legal advice was to bring a copy of the building contract (in our name). to the local office ans ask them to change the name on the building permit. they said no.can do. The local office said that farang could not own a house.very clearly. Despite this, the planning Dept Chief gave us a letter certifying that we live at the house address. Our lawyer's advice is to have the Company prepare a Directors resolution, allowing us to build a house on its land. Our lawyer suggested that we then take all paperwork and go to Muang NST. There, at lease they understand the concept of farang being allowed to own a house. and hopefull, will give us a letter of instructions to take back to the local office. Sorry that this background was not posted first time, as I thought it was maybe off topic. as I reread this, I think I must be dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 TM30 and proof of residence are two separate issues. The TM30 is an obligation on the 'owner' to report to immigration an alien in residence. I have a yellow book, a copy of which was asked for on extension application and my wife was also asked to complete the TM30. At the last extension(retirement) she was asked to complete the TM30 again even though I had a TM30 receipt in my passport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fang37 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 #21 You are the owner of the shares in the company? They have a value. Therefore, the value of the shares are included in your assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perconrad Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I believe that when I changed my address the yellow book was merely updated. The address can not be updated. For a new house (address) a new book is needed. Fairly easy process due to the reports I have read in the forum. KhunBENQs info is not all correct. When we, my wife and I, moved from Thalang, Phuket to Kantharalak, Sisaket I got a filled out form at Thalang amphur to give to my new amphur and in Kantharalak they updated my yellow book with my new address at my wife's house here. But it was an easy process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh2121 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 At Sri Racha I use my yellow book solely as proof of where I live. However, as I am not the owner, they still require a TM30 completed by the owner and a copy of his/her Thai ID card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Jones Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Every Official here make their own rules and Laws as they feel like and very bizarre and weird its accepted by Govt but TiT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquorice Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Had my house built on vacant land owned by a Thai company . There is no yellow book, anyone ever apply for a yellow book, under same circumstances? What paperwork needed. Local amour has never heard of a Farang getting a yellow book. I'll deal with that by going to the capital of the province. Just need to know paperwork. Has there been a blue house book issued for the house? It there is no blue book then a yellow book cannot be issued. Only the local Amphoe can issue a house book. Going to the capital will not help because there is no provincial level entity that issues house books. Thanks for that. We have a Blue Book, issued in the name of the company; due to the planning permit being issued in the name of the company also.. We are in ourtr 790's and worried about our wills, where we treat the house as being owned by us. we paid for it personally (ie outside of the company). Legal advice was to bring a copy of the building contract (in our name). to the local office ans ask them to change the name on the building permit. they said no.can do. The local office said that farang could not own a house.very clearly. Despite this, the planning Dept Chief gave us a letter certifying that we live at the house address. Our lawyer's advice is to have the Company prepare a Directors resolution, allowing us to build a house on its land. Our lawyer suggested that we then take all paperwork and go to Muang NST. There, at lease they understand the concept of farang being allowed to own a house. and hopefull, will give us a letter of instructions to take back to the local office. Sorry that this background was not posted first time, as I thought it was maybe off topic. as I reread this, I think I must be dreaming. @sendintheclowns. You might find this topic very informative re your situation. Sheryl was in the same situation but eventually received her Yellow book with some advice and her perseverance. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/849377-can-someone-please-explain-yellow-books-blue-books-amphur-letters/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquorice Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I believe that when I changed my address the yellow book was merely updated. The address can not be updated. For a new house (address) a new book is needed. Fairly easy process due to the reports I have read in the forum. As no two amphurs have the same requirements if he moved within the same amphur this is a possibility. No, a Tabian Baan only has one page for the address but multiple pages for the residents of that address. A new book must be acquired for a new address. A family of Thais can all be registered in one book, or can each have a separate book. The names can change, the address never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khwaibah Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I believe that when I changed my address the yellow book was merely updated. The address can not be updated. For a new house (address) a new book is needed. Fairly easy process due to the reports I have read in the forum. As no two amphurs have the same requirements if he moved within the same amphur this is a possibility. No, a Tabian Baan only has one page for the address but multiple pages for the residents of that address. A new book must be acquired for a new address. A family of Thais can all be registered in one book, or can each have a separate book. The names can change, the address never. The YTB was never formalized by any Thai government thats why NO two amphurs have the same requirement and do as they please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquorice Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) A TM28 and TM30 are forms for reporting address's to Immigration. TM28 for change of address. TM30 to report alien residence at that address. A House Book (Tabian Baan) is the Civil registration of the occupants of an address with the local Amphur. Every planned plot to build a residence is given a plot number, then on completion a registered address. On purchase each owner will be issued a Blue Tabian Baan detailing address and names of occupiers. Foreign Condo owners will be issued a Blue book as a registration of that Condo address with the local Amphur, but their names will not be included in the book. Foreigners can only be named in a Yellow book. (The exception being a married foreigner with PR status who can be added to a blue book, but not the principal name). The Blue and Yellow Tabian Baans are proof of residence at that address and are accepted as such by any Government agency. (Not proof of ownership) It will also be accepted by Immigration as proof of residence, but copies of the owners ID card and Tabian Baan (landlord) may still be additionally requested. The Tabian Baan replaces the need for Certificates of Residence from Immigration for use at Government agencies. Unlike the C of R, it has no expiry date. The process to obtain your own Tabian Baan varies from Amphur to Amphur. The Civil Registration Act only states that foreigners are entitled to such a registration and book, but offers no National guidance on the process involved and it is therefore left to each Amphur to set it's own procedure. Although the Act was updated in 2008 allowing foreigners to obtain a Tabian Baan, in terms of foreigners actually registering their residence address with the local Amphur in Thailand, only a very small percentage have applied, so it's still a relatively new experience for some Amphur offices who have no written procedures in place when it comes to dealing with foreigners. Fortunately some are organised. It is a requirement of law to register your address to Immigration. It is optional if you want to register your address with your local Amphur office. Edited October 2, 2015 by Faz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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