MadMac Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 We bought our Scoopy at the auction for half the new price. 3 months old. Can't deprecate at all anymore 8-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRoadWarrior Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 People are on about a Benelli depreciating. I just saw a CBR500 for 123k baht, many are 129k baht. Not far off 50% depreciation in what, was it 3 years ago they came out? Maybe not even. haha. Wow. Mighty Honda keeping their value. People who buy small cheap bikes and choose them on what they predict the % of depreciation will be over 5 years are sad anyway. get ready to see even more honda 500s drop in value..... honda just announced for next year 500 is being re-styled and improved... many buyers will be ditching the current ones and getting the new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMac Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 ... many buyers will be ditching the current ones and getting the new one. How and why would they? You don't ditch a financed bike so easily (the whole village pays for it!) And then get the same thing again? We just read Honda has broken frames and broken engines and whatever else is broken. Get a Benelli! (Village will of course guarantee again) LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa al Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 ;^ Great news them prices as my Honda 250 was so reliable I'm probably gonna buy another come end for of year coupled with the exchange rate at a 5 year high in my favour these 2nd hand bikes are proper bargains in fact if you get the right deal you can even sell them on a year down the line for a similuar price. yep.I bought good one for 42 from an Austrian. Sold for 55 to a German. Ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maykilceksin Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Yeah, I'm not generally negative about it. And it is true, competition is good. We have seen that with Kawasaki and the reduced prices for big bikes, which are now on a reasonable level for most brands. But, there needs to be a lot of more water going down all the dried out rivers which cause floods in BKK right now . So far I haven't seen a single one of these bikes on the road, neither in Chiang Mai nor in Bangkok. So experiences and feedback are certainly limited given the low number of buyers. But Keeway (remember, same company) did a lot to build a bad reputation. Looking at the latter I'd rather play safe and spend money for a Honda (or Kawasaki in my case) rather than play guinea pig for the Chinese. Not even looking at resales value. totally correct points. thanks for your true comments. there are some honda haters here i guess constantly pissing on hondas. honda sold maybe 10000 cb300 and two of them got a problem! benelli will sell maybe 100 TNT 25 and lets see how many bikes will get problems. and anyway, you go to any Honda dealer (thousands of them in Thailand at every corner) and it is serviced and fixed under warranty. But benelli, where is the service? and how reliable? I am sure if you have a problem with benelli, you wait for parts. it will cost you more and you need to go maybe hundreds of clicks for finding a benelli dealer and how competent will they be? and i see very very few benelli 300 so far all over Thailand and some again very very few benelli 600. They are rarely seen on the roads. only old fart honda haters with nostalgic connections with benelli go buy this (and by knowing it is a Chinese bike now but still fooling themselves like it is an Italian bike:) or some short minded people go choose it as honda will be always better in the long run, for service, parts, resale value, quality, reliability. and that is why for every benelli sold, honda sells 10000 bikes. but again, i respect any two wheeler. Under correct circumstances, it might be a good bike but with this price and quality and with all those options ad low cc class, i dont see much future for such a bike. hope i am wrong. if they sell it for 75000 baht for example, it might be a good value but more than that, no way. one thing i have to admit, benelli 300 sounds good but i think this single cylinder one will sound like fart like most single cylinder bikes. Edited October 9, 2015 by maykilceksin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maykilceksin Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) MM , to an extent , i see your point . I must correct you over the claim Benelli and Keeway are the same however . They arent . They happen to be owned by the same "parent" company , QJ . And by this i mean no offence to either company or their products . There is a marketing link-up though , and that seems to cause this confusion . As i said , VW / Audi Group ( VAG ) own many companies , but a Golf sure aint no Diablo ! . And yes , we need more feedback , now that the doomsayers have gone quiet . they are same bike but different names! so they do generic bikes and anyone pays the money can place their brand on the bike. say it Benelli, Keeway, or Generic or KRS, god knows how many more! you dont see that or you just fool yourself or tying to fool us? as some of us here are not fooled by this. so what is this? a Generic 600, same as benelli 600 and keeway 600. http://www.ksr-moto.com/index.php/bikes_600_ksrmoto_en_int.html and this? same as benelli 302 isn't it?: http://www.keewaymotor.co.uk/bikedetail.php?id=91 and read this a bit: https://books.google.co.th/books?id=eVNf48ZmDP8C&pg=PT328&lpg=PT328&dq=benelli+generic+brand+motorcycle&source=bl&ots=wAp_o--BVW&sig=0PKhGkigaDnz1UGytXE7ID76HSw&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=benelli%20generic%20brand%20motorcycle&f=false dont tell us these are not the same bikes! and please do not mislead people. you work for benelli or something? they all owned by same group. and they just put a different brand and maybe but better brakes or forks for one and low cost ones for another, the only difference between these brands and bikes. just wake up bro! Edited October 9, 2015 by maykilceksin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_M_in_Bkk Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 People are on about a Benelli depreciating. I just saw a CBR500 for 123k baht, many are 129k baht. Not far off 50% depreciation in what, was it 3 years ago they came out? Maybe not even. haha. Wow. Mighty Honda keeping their value. People who buy small cheap bikes and choose them on what they predict the % of depreciation will be over 5 years are sad anyway. No one said Hondas keep their vaule, they only will if a very popular scooter such as a PCX, which seem to hold their value well, or classic bikes such as the RVF, NSR250, modern CBR1000RRs etc. In fact in general, second hand bike prices have gone down, I remember when it cost nearly 150,000+ for a decent 400, and they were over 10 years old. But now with the new big bikes on finance, with finance available on decent 2nd hand bikes too, prices are coming down on all 2nd hand models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 People are on about a Benelli depreciating. I just saw a CBR500 for 123k baht, many are 129k baht. Not far off 50% depreciation in what, was it 3 years ago they came out? Maybe not even. haha. Wow. Mighty Honda keeping their value. People who buy small cheap bikes and choose them on what they predict the % of depreciation will be over 5 years are sad anyway. No one said Hondas keep their vaule, People were putting forward likely depreciation as a factor for choosing one of the Honda 286's over one of the Benelli 250's or 302's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerkid Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Welcome back LL2 who is ll2 and am i missing something? There once was a member named loser He was a bit of a poser He tried to ride quick And raced with a chick But he could not get any closer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_M_in_Bkk Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 People are on about a Benelli depreciating. I just saw a CBR500 for 123k baht, many are 129k baht. Not far off 50% depreciation in what, was it 3 years ago they came out? Maybe not even. haha. Wow. Mighty Honda keeping their value. People who buy small cheap bikes and choose them on what they predict the % of depreciation will be over 5 years are sad anyway. No one said Hondas keep their vaule, People were putting forward likely depreciation as a factor for choosing one of the Honda 286's over one of the Benelli 250's or 302's. Honestly, they will depreciate about the same, but the Honda will always have the advantage in price, cos it is a Honda - quality brand and a huge network. They are both cheap bikes anyway. Time will tell with the Benlli, see what condition there are in after 30.000+ KM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Jeff skipped that the Benelli from 1911 is not the Chinese Benelli/Keeway it is today. They just bought a dormant company name and revived it. Zombie brand one may say ....and that the Honda in the same class is a 100% Thai product with a Honda sticker on it. The Benelli company is still very active in Italy, with full design, R & D and SOA manufacturing plant, so hardly a zombie brand. Unlike MG in China which is a Jizwas with an MG badge on it. IMO Benelli are also a good step up in terms of style and sound over the Thai bikes, performance wise, well at 250cc they aren't really, any of them. So how the bike makes you feel is all the more important. MG have an R&D centre in the UK and also sources some parts from UK suppliers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMac Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yeah, the British Embassy in BKK has a big poster just outside, about innovation, showing a Mini which is BMW. How do you call this? Self betrayal? 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Grumpy Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yeah, the British Embassy in BKK has a big poster just outside, about innovation, showing a Mini which is BMW. How do you call this? Self betrayal? 555 Surprised they don't charge people to look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pokerkid Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Yeah, the British Embassy in BKK has a big poster just outside, about innovation, showing a Mini which is BMW. How do you call this? Self betrayal? 555 They should have put a Rolls Royce on the poster. Oops, that is also BMW Or maybe a Bentley..... Or maybe.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMac Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) There is also a Sherlock besides the Mini, not sure what they called this...creativity? ROFL Edited October 9, 2015 by MadMac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm jeff Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Only Morgan left , and that has ---------------------------------- BMW engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetley Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 The original Cbr250 w/o abs was 95,000 baht, No it wasn't. Honda advertized it as 99,000 baht, but only one Honda dealer in the country sold it for that. Every other dealer was greedy and ripped off their customers by refusing to sell it at the advertized price. Which dealer sold for 99k? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 Several Off topic and some accusatory posts removed. Please try to stay on topic, avoid entering into slanging matches or making accusations. 7) You will respect fellow members and post in a civil manner. No personal attacks, hateful or insulting towards other members, (flaming) Stalking of members on either the forum or via PM will not be allowed.9) You will not post inflammatory messages on the forum, or attempt to disrupt discussions to upset its participants, or trolling. Trolling can be defined as the act of purposefully antagonizing other people on the internet by posting controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 The original Cbr250 w/o abs was 95,000 baht, No it wasn't. Honda advertized it as 99,000 baht, but only one Honda dealer in the country sold it for that. Every other dealer was greedy and ripped off their customers by refusing to sell it at the advertized price. Which dealer sold for 99k? I bought first delivery of the first batch for 99k from Honda at patanakarn Rd, bkk They didn't want to sell it until more arrived because it was supposed to be the display model for the window but I had the cash on me so they kindly let me take it... The owner son speaks perfect English ... Ask for khun erb Other dealers around bkk quoted me 110-160k.... The crazy 160k quote was @ Honda dindeang Rd for the record... I thought it was 106or116k misunderstanding until he punched into the calculator 160,000 and I realised he was seriously overcharging me that much lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apetley Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 The original Cbr250 w/o abs was 95,000 baht, No it wasn't. Honda advertized it as 99,000 baht, but only one Honda dealer in the country sold it for that. Every other dealer was greedy and ripped off their customers by refusing to sell it at the advertized price. Which dealer sold for 99k?I bought first delivery of the first batch for 99k from Honda at patanakarn Rd, bkkThey didn't want to sell it until more arrived because it was supposed to be the display model for the window but I had the cash on me so they kindly let me take it... The owner son speaks perfect English ... Ask for khun erb Other dealers around bkk quoted me 110-160k.... The crazy 160k quote was @ Honda dindeang Rd for the record... I thought it was 106or116k misunderstanding until he punched into the calculator 160,000 and I realised he was seriously overcharging me that much lol See your 160k bht and raise 170k bht by a Honda dealer in Utong. Bought my CBR for 99k from Chumphon Honda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedtripler Posted October 10, 2015 Share Posted October 10, 2015 The original Cbr250 w/o abs was 95,000 baht, No it wasn't. Honda advertized it as 99,000 baht, but only one Honda dealer in the country sold it for that. Every other dealer was greedy and ripped off their customers by refusing to sell it at the advertized price. Which dealer sold for 99k?I bought first delivery of the first batch for 99k from Honda at patanakarn Rd, bkkThey didn't want to sell it until more arrived because it was supposed to be the display model for the window but I had the cash on me so they kindly let me take it... The owner son speaks perfect English ... Ask for khun erb Other dealers around bkk quoted me 110-160k.... The crazy 160k quote was @ Honda dindeang Rd for the record... I thought it was 106or116k misunderstanding until he punched into the calculator 160,000 and I realised he was seriously overcharging me that much lol See your 160k bht and raise 170k bht by a Honda dealer in Utong. Bought my CBR for 99k from Chumphon Honda. Wow - 170k Price gouging is alive and well even outside bkk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBJ Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I perceive the Benelli quality to be fine for this level of bike , and its intended use . It may be over simplifying things to say "up to you" , but more and more people are buying bikes that arent Honda . Price is a reason for some , true . If people , after looking at all the information , specifications , ride reports and , yes , price , still buy a Honda , then that may well be the right bike for their needs and budget . End of the day - enjoy whatever your riding . Sums up biking really . And the most important thing for a true biker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
English_M_in_Bkk Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 MCN Reviews http://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/benelli/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARYZX6R Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 Price been released now at 94,900 bht .. Time will tell if it sells well.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casualbiker Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 ^^ ABS or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaseTheBass Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I saw the 600 one, the engine was some stone age thing, looked all a bit weird. Like a steam engine in a Ducati frame. People reported it's a lousy drive. Quality wise like keeway. Go figure. A Kawasaki does not set you back that much, neither does a Honda. Buy a real bike with some QC rather then Chinese offshots I say. Wasn't that a copied Yamaha engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktm jeff Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 There was a thought it was based on an older Yamaha R6 engine ( this was mentioned in the Benelli owners club magazine ) but it seems not to be the case as BKKRichard has pointed out too the timing chain position being different. 300 twin and 250 single are of Italian design. 94,900 is a cracking price. There is also a 250 Benelli super motard in the wings. With the release of this engine , the motard cant be far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanB Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Has anyone seen one yet in the showrooms, I am a long way away from a dealer, but was told at Udon Thani that they are out October/November? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARYZX6R Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Has anyone seen one yet in the showrooms, I am a long way away from a dealer, but was told at Udon Thani that they are out October/November? Went in there today Allan and they had 3 in the showroom,red,white and black. Nice little bike ,not for big type farangs as to small..The extra for the 300 in my opinion is well worth it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllanB Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Has anyone seen one yet in the showrooms, I am a long way away from a dealer, but was told at Udon Thani that they are out October/November? Went in there today Allan and they had 3 in the showroom,red,white and black. Nice little bike ,not for big type farangs as to small..The extra for the 300 in my opinion is well worth it.. Oh bugga, I thought it was the same size... The Udon guys said I could could get it with a Khon Kaen book ... Interesting, how the TNT25 compares with the Honda CB300f Seat height 780mm 780mm Wheelbase 1385mm 1380mm Weight 150kg 158kg BHP 24.1hp 29.2hp cc 249cc 286cc Baht 94.9k Baht 130k Baht So size-wise about the same and with the same tyres/rims. @ 110f / 140r / 17"rims After a 400km trip around Isaan over the weekend on my NV400 chasing twisties and finding very few, I have decided to buy a lightweight bike I can carry on my 4 door pickup. These tedious trips up and down main roads are not me me, even with 40+hp, I just can't be asked. 150kg is doable, the NV400 @ 230kg isn't. Go somewhere nice, off-load the bike and ride. Lazy pommy bastard...... Edited November 9, 2015 by AllanB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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