Do you even care what happens within Thailand

[anotheruser]

You could probably use the word worry in place of care.

[MaeJoMTB]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

[huawei]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

Exactly right. They also don't want to assimilate with poor(er) farangs either, like wealthy educated Thais really. Just the way the world over.

[Naam]

I live here, so yes I feel it's only natural that I care about what's going on. I try to keep abreast of current affairs and try to learn a little more about the country's history, culture, language and general attitude of its people.

A person who doesn't care about the country he's living in, is just ignorant.

there are persons who possess a multiple of your knowledge concerning the country's history, culture and the general attitude of its people. all that is available and can be studied in dozens of languages without mastering Thai. your claim smells not only of arrogance but also of utmost ignorance.

take that from somebody who has visited Thailand many dozens of times (starting 42 years ago) and living permanently in the country since nearly 11 years.

My apologies if I stepped on your toes - I fail to see how my comment/opinion smells of arrogance. That most certainly wasn't my intention.

I assume that after visiting Thailand for 42 years and living here for 11, you must care about the country, the people you meet on a daily basis, your immediate surroundings and at the very least, care enough to read and comment on this topic.

No arrogance intended.

relax! you didn't step on my toes i just had to refute your claim "ignorant". the latter applies usually to people who's assumptions are not based on facts but on lack of knowledge what others think and how they live.

let me tell you a secret but please don't tell anybody and keep it secret!

actually i don't live in Thailand, i live in my home that (due to certain reasons) i built in Thailand. i meet "Thailand" on rare occasions (once every two weeks) when i drive to my favourite supermarket to look for special goodies, when the massage lady comes to my home twice a week, when i go for a haircut and a pedicure once a month and when one of my Thai employees takes his daughter (my dedicated great-great god-daughter to my home for a visit.

i repeat "don't tell anybody or else!"

[55Jay]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

Exactly right. They also don't want to assimilate with poor(er) farangs either, like wealthy educated Thais really. Just the way the world over.

Of course, which is what Dr. Naam was essentially saying, as he often does.

[Lukecan]

I sometimes troll the girls saying "thaksin is the man" . They haye it hahahah, apparently not a lot of bangokians are fond of him

[Naam]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

it's not a matter of primitive feudal society. i live like a hermit and that since 26 years. my withdrawn lifestyle prevents contacts with locals which could turn into friendship and a bit of socialising. of course i have friends and that from a dozen different countries. we meet in Pattaya two to three times a year for a few days and then they are off to Hua Hin, Koh Samui, Phuket or another Asian country.

[big carl]

Sounds more to me like you just endure.

For myself I do care I have Thai wife and her family here. I am not here for the booze and the women. I like to see the Thais getting along. They finally have a government that makes it a lot safer on the streets. Even the red shirts their main opposition are peaceful.

It seems to me to not care about the country you choose to live in is counterproductive. There is not much you can do but running around with the attitude you don't care about the country is not exactly endearing the Thais to you. Nor is it a reason not to care.

You speak a lot of common sense in your post but I do think that the phrase "dont care" is not really either accurate or appropriate because I think that most people on this forum are very similar in that they know when they can make a difference or not and on the subject of this thread foreigners simply have no effect. impact or opinion, so why bother?

If they are like me then they didn't come to change the world they came for a peaceful retirement with a great wife in what at first glance through rose tinted specs was an idyll.

After the honeymoon period and the investment came the reality.

Its a reality that slowly comes up on you over a longish period of time and maybe like me you turn in on yourself and ignore that that you cannot change or you move Countries, the last thing on my mind would be to try to change the system here and that is what is needed to make any difference

When people see the carnage on the roads, the exploitation by the leaders of the people and the way that the police operate, then how can a sane person "Care" Oh yes they can be sad, angry with the seemingly injustice of it all but Care, for what purpose to make themselves feel better

There have been many people who cared and voiced their concern, outrage and indignation to what goes on in this Country and where are then now?

Not really a question but the answer could be in Google!

Well I have been here 9 years and yes I care. You appear to me not to care because you can not control it or they wont live up to your standards. I see the same things you do and yet I still care.

I pay attention to what is happening and it makes me feel good to see a government that is not democratic but is more concerned for its citizens than the previous government and their armed allies did. Also I do not have my head where the sun doesn't shine. Corruption is a fact of life no matter what country you are in. Yes there are a lot less corrupt but there is even more that are more corrupt. That is their business and I can do nothing about it but I still care about what goes on Thailand.

To be blunt I hear people often on Thai Visa say they don't want us here. I am quite sure their I don't care about Thailand attitude has a lot to do with the way they are treated. I never get that attitude. I try to fit in to their way of doing things and if I can't I don't get bent out of shape about it. It is their culture and many times they will try to understand my way. As long as a person fights it they will get that not wanted attitude.

Your point of view on my post has been well distorted albeit not maliciously which is why I liked your post but I think that maybe this bit from my post shows my position more clearly then the rhetoric you have used in interpreting just what it was that I said , in other words my viewpoint is clearly in line with the old words of wisdom in Charles old and well worn anecdote

From ChalieH;

"grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference"

This is my clearly stated POV I have edited because the other bits are not really relevant as to whether I care or not, clearly I must care or I would not have posted on the subject

"You speak a lot of common sense in your post but I do think that the phrase "dont care" is not really either accurate or appropriate because I think that most people on this forum are very similar in that they know when they can make a difference or not and on the subject of this thread foreigners simply have no effect. impact or opinion, so why bother?"

its rather like accepting something that cannot be changed, its not that I dont care its just that I along with others of the same POV know from life experience when to do something or not and in the given circumstance we are discussing I, at my tender age and tenuous legal position here in the LOS have decided that it is not within my capability or my interests to make comment publicly on the current state of affairs within Thailand

Let me paraphrase to make my position a little clearer, may seem unrelated to the current topic but it has a lot of commonalities in that I do care , in this instance about me getting my fix on the MTB

If Its raining at 5 0 am and I was planning to go riding with my mate Rob around the area , I accept that I cannot go, its not that I dont care its just that I accept the restrictions from a force that I cannot argue with or debate.

You can say any thing you want with enough "rhetoric"

It comes down to do you care or don't you care.

I CARE

[Naam]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

Exactly right. They also don't want to assimilate with poor(er) farangs either, like wealthy educated Thais really. Just the way the world over.

Of course, which is what Dr. Naam was essentially saying, as he often does.

your comment is, as so often, essentially rubbish

[Stargeezr]

Used to be a saying What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas!

I think that also applies to Thailand, or almost anywhere actually.

I used to want to go live in Thailand for a part of the year, but as

of the last couple of years, I am having second thoughts. I do like to

escape the Winter of Canada, and if the dollar is good here, I will maybe

go to Thailand for a longer vacation. I have been more jaded to the idea

of living in Thailand and spending money purchasing a condo, as I do not

have the same amount of trust as I did a few years back. I guess if I have enough money to

afford a trip to Thailand every 2 years or so, I should consider my self very lucky indeed!

[Stargeezr]

Oh! Actually my answer would be, I care about Thailand , more than I care about the Middle East,

as I have no plans to ever go to that part of the world. I do care what happens in my country Canada,

in as much as I hope our dollar stays fairly strong, against the USA, so I can afford to leave

on occasion to visit other countries. I hope that both Thailand and Canada can be democratic countries,

without the problems that will be happening in Europe and any country that gets invaded by the hordes

of people that are headed for Germany and other richer parts of Europe and area.

I do feel sorry for my brother in law in Bangkok, who lives very close to a Mosque and gets

woken up every morning by their call to prayer. My brother in law is a Buddhist, and also is not

very happy to be woken up so early every day. I hope I do not aver have that happen to myself

here in Canada.

[dirtycash]

no.................stopped caring a long time ago.

why should i ,its all take with thais and no give !! hey , sometimes i even laugh at their downfall.

[dirtycash]

"But came anyways because it was cheap and women are submissive. "

I've never found any 'submissive', but have found many 'readily available'.

As for what happens here,

My money is imported, so generally speaking, and short of civil war,

The worse things are locally, the better off I am as a retired person.

bet you look like your avatar

[kannot]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

it's not a matter of primitive feudal society. i live like a hermit and that since 26 years. my withdrawn lifestyle prevents contacts with locals which could turn into friendship and a bit of socialising. of course i have friends and that from a dozen different countries. we meet in Pattaya two to three times a year for a few days and then they are off to Hua Hin, Koh Samui, Phuket or another Asian country.

Welcome to the "Hermit Club" where new members arent welcome..............many people seem to think you cant live here happily without interacting all day and night with the Thais.........I just spend my days with my trees on the land my Wife owns, happy as Larry ....or Fritz?

[gk10002000]

I am not an expat yet, but every year it gets less appealing so I do follow and care about what goes on in Thailand. My first trip there was in 2004 and I have gone a total of 14 times, spending several months there in a given year as I get some breaks between my USA work contracts.

[55Jay]

Of course, which is what Dr. Naam was essentially saying, as he often does.

your comment is, as so often, essentially rubbish

As are your snarky insults.

Now go back to your room and play with your Lotus spreadsheet.

Edited October 27, 2015 by 55Jay

[Naam]

Of course, which is what Dr. Naam was essentially saying, as he often does.

your comment is, as so often, essentially rubbish

As are your snarky insults.

Now go back to your room and play with your Lotus spreadsheet.

i just finished entering today's trades and will pour and savur in a few minutes a glass of Port. next spreadsheet playing tomorrow around 0430 hrs.

[Naam]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

it's not a matter of primitive feudal society. i live like a hermit and that since 26 years. my withdrawn lifestyle prevents contacts with locals which could turn into friendship and a bit of socialising. of course i have friends and that from a dozen different countries. we meet in Pattaya two to three times a year for a few days and then they are off to Hua Hin, Koh Samui, Phuket or another Asian country.

Welcome to the "Hermit Club" where new members arent welcome..............many people seem to think you cant live here happily without interacting all day and night with the Thais.........I just spend my days with my trees on the land my Wife owns, happy as Larry ....or Fritz?

are you also talking to the trees? i do, and that quite often.

[55Jay]

your comment is, as so often, essentially rubbish

As are your snarky insults.

Now go back to your room and play with your Lotus spreadsheet.

i just finished entering today's trades and will pour and savur in a few minutes a glass of Port. next spreadsheet playing tomorrow around 0430 hrs.

I'll shall alert the media, then run your bath, sir.

[JHolmesJr]

Thai women are extremely submissive....once you have given them a solid tonguelashing and a good seeing to.

[slipperylobster]

Keeping an account back home in the states, with enough money to buy a truck and trailer....should Thailand ever go tits up for me.

Did I say tits up? Perhaps a misnomer for "bad internet".

[kannot]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

it's not a matter of primitive feudal society. i live like a hermit and that since 26 years. my withdrawn lifestyle prevents contacts with locals which could turn into friendship and a bit of socialising. of course i have friends and that from a dozen different countries. we meet in Pattaya two to three times a year for a few days and then they are off to Hua Hin, Koh Samui, Phuket or another Asian country.

Welcome to the "Hermit Club" where new members arent welcome..............many people seem to think you cant live here happily without interacting all day and night with the Thais.........I just spend my days with my trees on the land my Wife owns, happy as Larry ....or Fritz?

are you also talking to the trees? i do, and that quite often.

They make the most sense ...............but dont tell the Wife!!

[Naam]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

it's not a matter of primitive feudal society. i live like a hermit and that since 26 years. my withdrawn lifestyle prevents contacts with locals which could turn into friendship and a bit of socialising. of course i have friends and that from a dozen different countries. we meet in Pattaya two to three times a year for a few days and then they are off to Hua Hin, Koh Samui, Phuket or another Asian country.

Welcome to the "Hermit Club" where new members arent welcome..............many people seem to think you cant live here happily without interacting all day and night with the Thais.........I just spend my days with my trees on the land my Wife owns, happy as Larry ....or Fritz?

are you also talking to the trees? i do, and that quite often.

They make the most sense ...............but dont tell the Wife!!

trees and dogs!

[kannot]

Dr. Naam is the exception to the language/assimilation/quality of life rule.

I'm not sure many wealthy, educated foreign people would care to be assimilated into a primitive feudal society.

I'll have to go with Naam on this one.

it's not a matter of primitive feudal society. i live like a hermit and that since 26 years. my withdrawn lifestyle prevents contacts with locals which could turn into friendship and a bit of socialising. of course i have friends and that from a dozen different countries. we meet in Pattaya two to three times a year for a few days and then they are off to Hua Hin, Koh Samui, Phuket or another Asian country.

Welcome to the "Hermit Club" where new members arent welcome..............many people seem to think you cant live here happily without interacting all day and night with the Thais.........I just spend my days with my trees on the land my Wife owns, happy as Larry ....or Fritz?

are you also talking to the trees? i do, and that quite often.

They make the most sense ...............but dont tell the Wife!!

trees and dogs!

I fear this is where we part company............... although a well cared for dog is different to the feeeelthy mangy things that come round here crapping everywhere.

[saakura]

I wouldn't call my wife submissive, polite maybe

I suspect the OP has never progressed beyond the "Bargirl Stage" of a relationship in Thailand.

Or possibly he is one of those TV member who does not live here and never has??

On the contrary, i think he may have married a girl from a very poor economic background with little education. These are the ones still in awe of the white skinned farang god and will be submissive. The bar girls are likely to chew and spit him out with his kind of attitude.