Yingluck invited on 'personal basis'

[FritsSikkink]

So are Elmar Brok and Werner Langen personally paying her airfare, hotel and shopping expenses, or is it the EU tax payer who is funding this "jolly"

she has to pay her own expenses

[FritsSikkink]

Pretty obvious it is not an official UE invitation if it had no seals or stamps to indicate it as such. Given the world sees YL and even Thaksin as political targets it is easy to make the assumption that this invitation has nothing to do with the UE. At any rate, with YLs pending court hearing she should not be allowed to leave unless the current gov sees it as a way to be rid of her. In which case they should make her pay a surety bond of a few hundred billion baht.

Its on official paper. What do you want? Candlewax and a cygnet ring?

Believe it or not, unlike in Asia, not everything has to have a stamp to be official......If you think PTP is going around forging letterheads, then they really are playing with fire.Letters from Mps, Presidents and PMs all over the world are sent with no stamp.

A signature is sufficient....

there has to be a title after the name to make it official. got nothing to do with the EU

[Thai at Heart]

Pretty obvious it is not an official UE invitation if it had no seals or stamps to indicate it as such. Given the world sees YL and even Thaksin as political targets it is easy to make the assumption that this invitation has nothing to do with the UE. At any rate, with YLs pending court hearing she should not be allowed to leave unless the current gov sees it as a way to be rid of her. In which case they should make her pay a surety bond of a few hundred billion baht.

Its on official paper. What do you want? Candlewax and a cygnet ring?

Believe it or not, unlike in Asia, not everything has to have a stamp to be official......If you think PTP is going around forging letterheads, then they really are playing with fire.Letters from Mps, Presidents and PMs all over the world are sent with no stamp.

A signature is sufficient....

there has to be a title after the name to make it official. got nothing to do with the EU

Not at all. The letter head is sufficient. You think the PM or president tells you what his job is.

[bristolgeoff]

maybe they wanted to know how the rice scheme worked and how to be controlled by big brother from abroad,when in power

[FritsSikkink]

Pretty obvious it is not an official UE invitation if it had no seals or stamps to indicate it as such. Given the world sees YL and even Thaksin as political targets it is easy to make the assumption that this invitation has nothing to do with the UE. At any rate, with YLs pending court hearing she should not be allowed to leave unless the current gov sees it as a way to be rid of her. In which case they should make her pay a surety bond of a few hundred billion baht.

Its on official paper. What do you want? Candlewax and a cygnet ring?

Believe it or not, unlike in Asia, not everything has to have a stamp to be official......If you think PTP is going around forging letterheads, then they really are playing with fire.Letters from Mps, Presidents and PMs all over the world are sent with no stamp.

A signature is sufficient....

there has to be a title after the name to make it official. got nothing to do with the EU

Not at all. The letter head is sufficient. You think the PM or president tells you what his job is.

yes, they do

[Thai at Heart]

Pretty obvious it is not an official UE invitation if it had no seals or stamps to indicate it as such. Given the world sees YL and even Thaksin as political targets it is easy to make the assumption that this invitation has nothing to do with the UE. At any rate, with YLs pending court hearing she should not be allowed to leave unless the current gov sees it as a way to be rid of her. In which case they should make her pay a surety bond of a few hundred billion baht.

Its on official paper. What do you want? Candlewax and a cygnet ring?

Believe it or not, unlike in Asia, not everything has to have a stamp to be official......If you think PTP is going around forging letterheads, then they really are playing with fire.Letters from Mps, Presidents and PMs all over the world are sent with no stamp.

A signature is sufficient....

there has to be a title after the name to make it official. got nothing to do with the EU

Not at all. The letter head is sufficient. You think the PM or president tells you what his job is.

yes, they do

Give me some time and I will prove your statement utterly nonsensical.

Go and open a mailed circular from your phone company. There is zero requirement to provide a stamp on official documents from any organisation in Europe.

Dear Sir,

We are modifying your phone contract.....


+ an official stamp and title to make it legally binding???

Nonsense.

Go and Google letter from MEP and see and learn. Nonsense people speak on here.

[cobbler]

BWHHHHHHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA They must want lessons on how to borrow billions from IMF then filter billions from that and put in your own pocket and share some with your relatives. Then manage to stay out of jail. Absolute genius. Cheers Cobbler

[FritsSikkink]

Pretty obvious it is not an official UE invitation if it had no seals or stamps to indicate it as such. Given the world sees YL and even Thaksin as political targets it is easy to make the assumption that this invitation has nothing to do with the UE. At any rate, with YLs pending court hearing she should not be allowed to leave unless the current gov sees it as a way to be rid of her. In which case they should make her pay a surety bond of a few hundred billion baht.

Its on official paper. What do you want? Candlewax and a cygnet ring?

Believe it or not, unlike in Asia, not everything has to have a stamp to be official......If you think PTP is going around forging letterheads, then they really are playing with fire.Letters from Mps, Presidents and PMs all over the world are sent with no stamp.

A signature is sufficient....

there has to be a title after the name to make it official. got nothing to do with the EU

Not at all. The letter head is sufficient. You think the PM or president tells you what his job is.

yes, they do

Give me some time and I will prove your statement utterly nonsensical.

Go and open a mailed circular from your phone company. There is zero requirement to provide a stamp on official documents from any organisation in Europe.

Dear Sir,

We are modifying your phone contract.....


+ an official stamp and title to make it legally binding???

Nonsense.

Go and Google letter from MEP and see and learn. Nonsense people speak on here.

in a official letter you always see someones jobtitle unless it is a personal letter. as you haven't got a clue what your talking about and only believe what your great leader tells you. i will stop this conversation.

[Thai at Heart]

Pretty obvious it is not an official UE invitation if it had no seals or stamps to indicate it as such. Given the world sees YL and even Thaksin as political targets it is easy to make the assumption that this invitation has nothing to do with the UE. At any rate, with YLs pending court hearing she should not be allowed to leave unless the current gov sees it as a way to be rid of her. In which case they should make her pay a surety bond of a few hundred billion baht.

Its on official paper. What do you want? Candlewax and a cygnet ring?

Believe it or not, unlike in Asia, not everything has to have a stamp to be official......If you think PTP is going around forging letterheads, then they really are playing with fire.Letters from Mps, Presidents and PMs all over the world are sent with no stamp.

A signature is sufficient....

there has to be a title after the name to make it official. got nothing to do with the EU

Not at all. The letter head is sufficient. You think the PM or president tells you what his job is.

yes, they do

Give me some time and I will prove your statement utterly nonsensical.

Go and open a mailed circular from your phone company. There is zero requirement to provide a stamp on official documents from any organisation in Europe.

Dear Sir,

We are modifying your phone contract.....


+ an official stamp and title to make it legally binding???

Nonsense.

Go and Google letter from MEP and see and learn. Nonsense people speak on here.

in a official letter you always see someones jobtitle unless it is a personal letter. as you haven't got a clue what your talking about and only believe what your great leader tells you. i will stop this conversation.

Not at all. It is frequently contained in the letter head, with no mention beyond that.

I have received plenty of letters from many VIP, you are talking nonsense. If you like I will post letters from USA presidents, British and European PMs and presidents, MPs from UK and European Parliament. They have letter heads and signatures.

To fake the letter head in many countries would be sedition so, it rarely ever happens. They don't have to give their title because they are representing a position.

[Bakseeda]

Poor Ahbisit who didn't get invited is shooting off his mouth claiming conspiracy. He should know a thing about conspiracy.

Eric, you are back..! First... Abhisit is NOT poor.... And he does not "shoot his mouth off" he leaves that to you and your ilk..... And he probably knows "a thing or two" about conspiracy. I did not think TV posters could get so "Loh"...

And Eric..... would be good if you knew how to spell his name...

Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think.... etc etc,,,,,

[MiKT]

Well, what happened? Today, no more: 'EU invite', no more 'EU Parliament invites Yingluck' or other spins, even from 'uncle''s side...

Seemingly forced to by the reality of the facts, the whole 'Shins' fan club' has, altogether(!) and swiftly, taken a sharp inward curve, covering their 'strategic(!) retreat' with a lot of their too usual 'but's and 'if's, twisting and turning at a pace that would make a trained darvish dizzy...

Now, about the facts:

that famous letter:

Clearly not a fake, it is undersigned by two EP members. True, one is the EP President, the other the EP Secretary General and head of the EP foreign affairs commitee, both Germans, from the same political party (CDU), no 'lighweights' inside the EP.

There resides IMO already a first big issue: those two experienced politicians know oh too well the status of their official function inside the EP, though rather 'decorative', gives a not to neglect extra-weight to what they undersign, together the more so, and, now you have it: when they do it in their official function, creating, each at its level, some form of binding commitment for what they represent the EP for.

Well, don't tell me there is no serious reason then for these two versed politicians NOT TO use their title, not in the adress, not in the text, not in the signature! This reduces the existence of this letter to its real 'value': a 'personal' initiative by 2 of the 751 EPMs towards a private person of Thai nationality!

The 'form' of the letter:

Being a EU citizen who had the privilege(?) to learn a few bits about the ways of doing things inside of the Ubu-esk Babel tower the EU institutions have become, from 6 to 25 member States, with tens of thousands of massively overpaid out-of-this-world Mandarins. Let me tell you there are some very 'a-typical', 'unusual' elements in the text, to say the least.

The English language used for the letter is totally below-par. Even when it would have been prepared in German language, there are thousands(!) of top(!)-translators working for the EU, and the English would have been tip-top, not just grammatically correct. Bringing up next questions: about who the persons are who have been 'preparing', all of, or parts of, that 'limping' text, which is the language originally used, and who translated it...

The content of the letter:

Compared to the accustomed, 'cushioned' and tip-toeing, EU-style is quite astonishing. Never have I heard of or seen a letter on any of the EU institutions' headings with such an incisive, square-ish tone, totally un-diplomatic, missing any nuance, ...and very 'one-sided' (I'd say biased), with some big parts (the ones for sure in 'so-so' English) which are as good as a duplication of pure un-edited Shins' PTP/UDD propaganda releases... May I sincerely doubt any, even very private, letter of this kind was ever addressed on any EU heading to that, real, Lady, of a totally different 'caliber', in Burma...

The 'timing' of the letter:

This letter is coming just at a far too 'ideal' time for Yingluck. Very 'odd' in itself too, were it that the 'timing' was set by those two EMPs by themselves, what I cannot be totally sure of...

Also, the time it took for the letter to 'surface', say made public by the Shins' 'PR services'. Nobody would come up with the idea to send any important paper by regular mail from Europe to Thailand: it takes 3 weeks or more, when it ever arrives... 'Normal' EMS would be a basic choice, taking up to 2 weeks. 'Express' would be less than 10 days. Was the EP envelope containing the letter stamped, where, ...and when? We don't know. Or was the letter carried and delivered? We don't know either. There must be a good reason though why it 'sat' for days and weeks before being 'revealed', the Shins' strategists for sure know, we won't...

Also, please note that the EP, one of the three pillars of the EU institutions, next to the Council (political authority) and Commision (executive and administrative authority), initially supposed to be lawmakers, iwas set to become the most important of all, in the basic EU treaties, but the political union never materialised, making from the EP a hugely expensive 'big machine' (having seats in both Stratsburg and Brussels with alternate place of gathering makes it very heavy and intricate too) with as good as no authority at all (all the decisions of importance, are taken by the Council, and, even more, behind it) very 'buzzing' with those expensive 751 EPMs, having each a, richly paid, official following (the general cost per EPM ranging in the millions of Baht ...per month), 'holding court', meeting, discussing, ...making a lot of wind in an attempt to justify their existence...

Last, but not least, there are: the EU 'lobbyists'...!

As a, very specialized, 'trade' on its own, they were a nearly non-existant species for the EU a good twenty years ago, now it must have become like around the US Federal authorities, with hundreds(!) of individuals and companies making a very good living 'lobbying' the EU institutions, ...as a profession attempting to influence important EU individuals favourably towards the needs of their paying clients, or opposite towards their rivals or competitors.

And an utterly hard, vicious and corrupt business it is! Mind you, rarely brown envelopes or donut boxes are used there, rather using luxury goods, 'advantages', 'participations', 'connexions', 'free-rides', even vice...

Making me wonder whether this letter might possibly, at least for some part, have been the work of some 'lobbyist(s)', working for the Shins.

That Thaksin &Co. have been already using the services of 'lobbyists' is no secret, the name of Robert Amsterdam f.i. is quite well known in Thailand...

Wow, thousands of words and still missing the point, its very simple, as the US ambasador has just very clearly said "there is only one type of democracy" and it is not achived by a government that surpresses free speech and uses the courts to supress political opponents. The EU is making a very clear point, they don't like the way YL and the democratically elected government was hounded out of office.

[lucky11]

Well, what happened? Today, no more: 'EU invite', no more 'EU Parliament invites Yingluck' or other spins, even from 'uncle''s side...

Seemingly forced to by the reality of the facts, the whole 'Shins' fan club' has, altogether(!) and swiftly, taken a sharp inward curve, covering their 'strategic(!) retreat' with a lot of their too usual 'but's and 'if's, twisting and turning at a pace that would make a trained darvish dizzy...

Now, about the facts:

that famous letter:

Clearly not a fake, it is undersigned by two EP members. True, one is the EP President, the other the EP Secretary General and head of the EP foreign affairs commitee, both Germans, from the same political party (CDU), no 'lighweights' inside the EP.

There resides IMO already a first big issue: those two experienced politicians know oh too well the status of their official function inside the EP, though rather 'decorative', gives a not to neglect extra-weight to what they undersign, together the more so, and, now you have it: when they do it in their official function, creating, each at its level, some form of binding commitment for what they represent the EP for.

Well, don't tell me there is no serious reason then for these two versed politicians NOT TO use their title, not in the adress, not in the text, not in the signature! This reduces the existence of this letter to its real 'value': a 'personal' initiative by 2 of the 751 EPMs towards a private person of Thai nationality!

The 'form' of the letter:

Being a EU citizen who had the privilege(?) to learn a few bits about the ways of doing things inside of the Ubu-esk Babel tower the EU institutions have become, from 6 to 25 member States, with tens of thousands of massively overpaid out-of-this-world Mandarins. Let me tell you there are some very 'a-typical', 'unusual' elements in the text, to say the least.

The English language used for the letter is totally below-par. Even when it would have been prepared in German language, there are thousands(!) of top(!)-translators working for the EU, and the English would have been tip-top, not just grammatically correct. Bringing up next questions: about who the persons are who have been 'preparing', all of, or parts of, that 'limping' text, which is the language originally used, and who translated it...

The content of the letter:

Compared to the accustomed, 'cushioned' and tip-toeing, EU-style is quite astonishing. Never have I heard of or seen a letter on any of the EU institutions' headings with such an incisive, square-ish tone, totally un-diplomatic, missing any nuance, ...and very 'one-sided' (I'd say biased), with some big parts (the ones for sure in 'so-so' English) which are as good as a duplication of pure un-edited Shins' PTP/UDD propaganda releases... May I sincerely doubt any, even very private, letter of this kind was ever addressed on any EU heading to that, real, Lady, of a totally different 'caliber', in Burma...

The 'timing' of the letter:

This letter is coming just at a far too 'ideal' time for Yingluck. Very 'odd' in itself too, were it that the 'timing' was set by those two EMPs by themselves, what I cannot be totally sure of...

Also, the time it took for the letter to 'surface', say made public by the Shins' 'PR services'. Nobody would come up with the idea to send any important paper by regular mail from Europe to Thailand: it takes 3 weeks or more, when it ever arrives... 'Normal' EMS would be a basic choice, taking up to 2 weeks. 'Express' would be less than 10 days. Was the EP envelope containing the letter stamped, where, ...and when? We don't know. Or was the letter carried and delivered? We don't know either. There must be a good reason though why it 'sat' for days and weeks before being 'revealed', the Shins' strategists for sure know, we won't...

Also, please note that the EP, one of the three pillars of the EU institutions, next to the Council (political authority) and Commision (executive and administrative authority), initially supposed to be lawmakers, iwas set to become the most important of all, in the basic EU treaties, but the political union never materialised, making from the EP a hugely expensive 'big machine' (having seats in both Stratsburg and Brussels with alternate place of gathering makes it very heavy and intricate too) with as good as no authority at all (all the decisions of importance, are taken by the Council, and, even more, behind it) very 'buzzing' with those expensive 751 EPMs, having each a, richly paid, official following (the general cost per EPM ranging in the millions of Baht ...per month), 'holding court', meeting, discussing, ...making a lot of wind in an attempt to justify their existence...

Last, but not least, there are: the EU 'lobbyists'...!

As a, very specialized, 'trade' on its own, they were a nearly non-existant species for the EU a good twenty years ago, now it must have become like around the US Federal authorities, with hundreds(!) of individuals and companies making a very good living 'lobbying' the EU institutions, ...as a profession attempting to influence important EU individuals favourably towards the needs of their paying clients, or opposite towards their rivals or competitors.

And an utterly hard, vicious and corrupt business it is! Mind you, rarely brown envelopes or donut boxes are used there, rather using luxury goods, 'advantages', 'participations', 'connexions', 'free-rides', even vice...

Making me wonder whether this letter might possibly, at least for some part, have been the work of some 'lobbyist(s)', working for the Shins.

That Thaksin &Co. have been already using the services of 'lobbyists' is no secret, the name of Robert Amsterdam f.i. is quite well known in Thailand...

Wow, thousands of words and still missing the point, its very simple, as the US ambasador has just very clearly said "there is only one type of democracy" and it is not achived by a government that surpresses free speech and uses the courts to supress political opponents. The EU is making a very clear point, they don't like the way YL and the democratically elected government was hounded out of office.

How do you define democracy?

They weren't hounded out of office, they were ejected by their political opponents using free speech and protests of which the government supporting 'red shirts' tried to suppress by attacking these peaceful protests with guns and bombs. Did the government attempt to stop the murdering of innocents? No they didn't!! Did they encourage it by doing nothing? Yes they did.

By the way, there are several versions of democracy, there is the democracy that the US likes whereby those voted in are favourable to THEM, the one where they dislike the winners and are happy to see a legitimately elected democratic government over thrown by force if it is to THEIR benefit (Egypt for example) and there is flawed democracy (Thaksin style) when you buy the vote and then immediately throw the democracy rule book out of the window and start implementing your 'very undemocratic' new rules to suit your own agenda and not that of the people who you deceived and tricked into putting you there in the first place!!

I prefer the benign dictatorship resulting from a bloodless coup to any of these - especially whereby the interests of the people are foremost!!

[tbthailand]

Hahaha.

They sent it on headed paper and requested to meet with her.

They didn't ask her out for a coffee at their house did they.....

Are you implying she was ordered--or otherwise pressured--to attend?

Not at all. 2 members of various committees asked her to attend to discuss issues pertaining to these responsibilities to places where these two people carry out their professional responsibilities. They send a letter using official note paper, signed, dated, containing a reference.

And the interpretation is, "she was asked privately".

It's like getting a letter from your doctor asking you to come to the practice to discuss your recent health issues.

And someone claims the request to attend is private.

Or a business calls to offer the boss another training course to follow up on one they attended one year before.

Obviously a private request???

The junta is scared of democracy and anything that reminds people of it.

Their paranoia requires them to discredit this invitation. First it was a fake. When it was clearly not a fake, it became "private and personal" and not "official".

The text of the letter is here, and it is clearly official. The junta is in a bind - they let her go and then democracy and Yingluck get in the headlines or they don't let her go and the nature of a military regime is exposed.

[Linky]

Hahaha, the letter is brilliant. What a slap in the face for the general. Certainly let him know what they think of him.

[bangrak]

Hahaha, the letter is brilliant. What a slap in the face for the general. Certainly let him know what they think of him.

May I politely advise you and the other members of the Shins' fan club here to have a good look at what a well educated, well informed, and unbiased, Thai journalist going by the name Veera clearly explains in 'the other paper'?

I don't expect it to change your minds, but so you could read it from someone else than from us here, the bad guys who don't fall in the trap of your repetitive propaganda rhetoric...

[bangrak]

Hahaha.

They sent it on headed paper and requested to meet with her.

They didn't ask her out for a coffee at their house did they.....

Are you implying she was ordered--or otherwise pressured--to attend?

Not at all. 2 members of various committees asked her to attend to discuss issues pertaining to these responsibilities to places where these two people carry out their professional responsibilities. They send a letter using official note paper, signed, dated, containing a reference.

And the interpretation is, "she was asked privately".

It's like getting a letter from your doctor asking you to come to the practice to discuss your recent health issues.

And someone claims the request to attend is private.

Or a business calls to offer the boss another training course to follow up on one they attended one year before.

Obviously a private request???

The junta is scared of democracy and anything that reminds people of it.

Their paranoia requires them to discredit this invitation. First it was a fake. When it was clearly not a fake, it became "private and personal" and not "official".

The text of the letter is here, and it is clearly official. The junta is in a bind - they let her go and then democracy and Yingluck get in the headlines or they don't let her go and the nature of a military regime is exposed.

About paranoia... It was never said it was clearly a fake, it is addressed to a private person, it is from two individual EMPs on EP paper, it is NOT official from the EP, it is nor EP nor EU issuing an official invite to Yingluck, twist it and turn it as you want, but NO, ...and even 'Thai at Heart' admitted it yesterday!

[jayboy]

Hahaha, the letter is brilliant. What a slap in the face for the general. Certainly let him know what they think of him.

May I politely advise you and the other members of the Shins' fan club here to have a good look at what a well educated, well informed, and unbiased, Thai journalist going by the name Veera clearly explains in 'the other paper'?

I don't expect it to change your minds, but so you could read it from someone else than from us here, the bad guys who don't fall in the trap of your repetitive propaganda rhetoric...

Veera!!!

These RWKJs know how to have a laugh.

[tbthailand]

Hahaha, the letter is brilliant. What a slap in the face for the general. Certainly let him know what they think of him.

May I politely advise you and the other members of the Shins' fan club here to have a good look at what a well educated, well informed, and unbiased, Thai journalist going by the name Veera clearly explains in 'the other paper'?

I don't expect it to change your minds, but so you could read it from someone else than from us here, the bad guys who don't fall in the trap of your repetitive propaganda rhetoric...

Veera is a junta-hugger, so what would you expect him to say?

He is just following the party line....

Edited November 27, 2015 by tbthailand

[Thai at Heart]

Hahaha.

They sent it on headed paper and requested to meet with her.

They didn't ask her out for a coffee at their house did they.....

Are you implying she was ordered--or otherwise pressured--to attend?

Not at all. 2 members of various committees asked her to attend to discuss issues pertaining to these responsibilities to places where these two people carry out their professional responsibilities. They send a letter using official note paper, signed, dated, containing a reference.

And the interpretation is, "she was asked privately".

It's like getting a letter from your doctor asking you to come to the practice to discuss your recent health issues.

And someone claims the request to attend is private.

Or a business calls to offer the boss another training course to follow up on one they attended one year before.

Obviously a private request???

The junta is scared of democracy and anything that reminds people of it.

Their paranoia requires them to discredit this invitation. First it was a fake. When it was clearly not a fake, it became "private and personal" and not "official".

The text of the letter is here, and it is clearly official. The junta is in a bind - they let her go and then democracy and Yingluck get in the headlines or they don't let her go and the nature of a military regime is exposed.

About paranoia... It was never said it was clearly a fake, it is addressed to a private person, it is from two individual EMPs on EP paper, it is NOT official from the EP, it is nor EP nor EU issuing an official invite to Yingluck, twist it and turn it as you want, but NO, ...and even 'Thai at Heart' admitted it yesterday!

Admit what? In their capacity as MPs, it's an official invite.

All this hair splitting is pitiful.

[Linky]

Hahaha, the letter is brilliant. What a slap in the face for the general. Certainly let him know what they think of him.

May I politely advise you and the other members of the Shins' fan club here to have a good look at what a well educated, well informed, and unbiased, Thai journalist going by the name Veera clearly explains in 'the other paper'?

I don't expect it to change your minds, but so you could read it from someone else than from us here, the bad guys who don't fall in the trap of your repetitive propaganda rhetoric...

I am no Shin lover, i just detest the junta more.

The letter is quite clear. The last paragraph clearly states the European Parliament..... Then ends with....our collaborators....

The invitation is not personal, it is to meet the parliament to discuss opinions, which is clearly also shown by general throwing a hissy fit.

They certainly put him in his place.

[MiKT]

Well, what happened? Today, no more: 'EU invite', no more 'EU Parliament invites Yingluck' or other spins, even from 'uncle''s side...

Seemingly forced to by the reality of the facts, the whole 'Shins' fan club' has, altogether(!) and swiftly, taken a sharp inward curve, covering their 'strategic(!) retreat' with a lot of their too usual 'but's and 'if's, twisting and turning at a pace that would make a trained darvish dizzy...

Now, about the facts:

that famous letter:

Clearly not a fake, it is undersigned by two EP members. True, one is the EP President, the other the EP Secretary General and head of the EP foreign affairs commitee, both Germans, from the same political party (CDU), no 'lighweights' inside the EP.

There resides IMO already a first big issue: those two experienced politicians know oh too well the status of their official function inside the EP, though rather 'decorative', gives a not to neglect extra-weight to what they undersign, together the more so, and, now you have it: when they do it in their official function, creating, each at its level, some form of binding commitment for what they represent the EP for.

Well, don't tell me there is no serious reason then for these two versed politicians NOT TO use their title, not in the adress, not in the text, not in the signature! This reduces the existence of this letter to its real 'value': a 'personal' initiative by 2 of the 751 EPMs towards a private person of Thai nationality!

The 'form' of the letter:

Being a EU citizen who had the privilege(?) to learn a few bits about the ways of doing things inside of the Ubu-esk Babel tower the EU institutions have become, from 6 to 25 member States, with tens of thousands of massively overpaid out-of-this-world Mandarins. Let me tell you there are some very 'a-typical', 'unusual' elements in the text, to say the least.

The English language used for the letter is totally below-par. Even when it would have been prepared in German language, there are thousands(!) of top(!)-translators working for the EU, and the English would have been tip-top, not just grammatically correct. Bringing up next questions: about who the persons are who have been 'preparing', all of, or parts of, that 'limping' text, which is the language originally used, and who translated it...

The content of the letter:

Compared to the accustomed, 'cushioned' and tip-toeing, EU-style is quite astonishing. Never have I heard of or seen a letter on any of the EU institutions' headings with such an incisive, square-ish tone, totally un-diplomatic, missing any nuance, ...and very 'one-sided' (I'd say biased), with some big parts (the ones for sure in 'so-so' English) which are as good as a duplication of pure un-edited Shins' PTP/UDD propaganda releases... May I sincerely doubt any, even very private, letter of this kind was ever addressed on any EU heading to that, real, Lady, of a totally different 'caliber', in Burma...

The 'timing' of the letter:

This letter is coming just at a far too 'ideal' time for Yingluck. Very 'odd' in itself too, were it that the 'timing' was set by those two EMPs by themselves, what I cannot be totally sure of...

Also, the time it took for the letter to 'surface', say made public by the Shins' 'PR services'. Nobody would come up with the idea to send any important paper by regular mail from Europe to Thailand: it takes 3 weeks or more, when it ever arrives... 'Normal' EMS would be a basic choice, taking up to 2 weeks. 'Express' would be less than 10 days. Was the EP envelope containing the letter stamped, where, ...and when? We don't know. Or was the letter carried and delivered? We don't know either. There must be a good reason though why it 'sat' for days and weeks before being 'revealed', the Shins' strategists for sure know, we won't...

Also, please note that the EP, one of the three pillars of the EU institutions, next to the Council (political authority) and Commision (executive and administrative authority), initially supposed to be lawmakers, iwas set to become the most important of all, in the basic EU treaties, but the political union never materialised, making from the EP a hugely expensive 'big machine' (having seats in both Stratsburg and Brussels with alternate place of gathering makes it very heavy and intricate too) with as good as no authority at all (all the decisions of importance, are taken by the Council, and, even more, behind it) very 'buzzing' with those expensive 751 EPMs, having each a, richly paid, official following (the general cost per EPM ranging in the millions of Baht ...per month), 'holding court', meeting, discussing, ...making a lot of wind in an attempt to justify their existence...

Last, but not least, there are: the EU 'lobbyists'...!

As a, very specialized, 'trade' on its own, they were a nearly non-existant species for the EU a good twenty years ago, now it must have become like around the US Federal authorities, with hundreds(!) of individuals and companies making a very good living 'lobbying' the EU institutions, ...as a profession attempting to influence important EU individuals favourably towards the needs of their paying clients, or opposite towards their rivals or competitors.

And an utterly hard, vicious and corrupt business it is! Mind you, rarely brown envelopes or donut boxes are used there, rather using luxury goods, 'advantages', 'participations', 'connexions', 'free-rides', even vice...

Making me wonder whether this letter might possibly, at least for some part, have been the work of some 'lobbyist(s)', working for the Shins.

That Thaksin &Co. have been already using the services of 'lobbyists' is no secret, the name of Robert Amsterdam f.i. is quite well known in Thailand...

Wow, thousands of words and still missing the point, its very simple, as the US ambasador has just very clearly said "there is only one type of democracy" and it is not achived by a government that surpresses free speech and uses the courts to supress political opponents. The EU is making a very clear point, they don't like the way YL and the democratically elected government was hounded out of office.

How do you define democracy?

They weren't hounded out of office, they were ejected by their political opponents using free speech and protests of which the government supporting 'red shirts' tried to suppress by attacking these peaceful protests with guns and bombs. Did the government attempt to stop the murdering of innocents? No they didn't!! Did they encourage it by doing nothing? Yes they did.

By the way, there are several versions of democracy, there is the democracy that the US likes whereby those voted in are favourable to THEM, the one where they dislike the winners and are happy to see a legitimately elected democratic government over thrown by force if it is to THEIR benefit (Egypt for example) and there is flawed democracy (Thaksin style) when you buy the vote and then immediately throw the democracy rule book out of the window and start implementing your 'very undemocratic' new rules to suit your own agenda and not that of the people who you deceived and tricked into putting you there in the first place!!

I prefer the benign dictatorship resulting from a bloodless coup to any of these - especially whereby the interests of the people are foremost!!

Excuse me, every body is entitled to their opinion on TV but nobody is entitled to propagate blatant lies. They were overthrown by the army who had supported and planned for several years with Suthep and his gang of yellow shirts to overthrow the government. It was the very unpeaceful yellow shirts who were causing all the violence and the army prevented the police from arresting the protestors, who if you were actually here would know, attacked the police with grenades and guns. So it was not a bloodless coup, even the navy were involved when their so called "seals" were caught shooting at the public to cause unrest.

I think the American Ambassador put it most clearly when he said "democracy has universal, not American principals which include self determination and free speech. Note UNIVERSAL PRINCIPALS of DEMOCRACY. This is what the EU recognise as well and why they don't invite the general to speak to the EU parliament, but do invite YL who most people, both inside and outside Thailand, still consider as the legitimate representative of the Thai people.

The YL government were not perfect but they did not repress the people with no self determination or free speech, or attempt to propagate a totally repressive pseudo democracy. You can't deny this fact. Even Abhasit does not agree with what is happening now.

Quit with the lies, you are getting as bad as EJ, we know the truth and repeating your lies won't change it; and please, please quit with the Thaksin vote buying shit, all parties were buying votes and the Suthep clan were particularly active buying votes in the south, They also paid for all their demonstrators to come and clog up Bangkok until the army could step in with their self made Casus belli.

All your propaganda won't change the facts.

[exbikey]

Well, what happened? Today, no more: 'EU invite', no more 'EU Parliament invites Yingluck' or other spins, even from 'uncle''s side...

Seemingly forced to by the reality of the facts, the whole 'Shins' fan club' has, altogether(!) and swiftly, taken a sharp inward curve, covering their 'strategic(!) retreat' with a lot of their too usual 'but's and 'if's, twisting and turning at a pace that would make a trained darvish dizzy...

Now, about the facts:

that famous letter:

Clearly not a fake, it is undersigned by two EP members. True, one is the EP President, the other the EP Secretary General and head of the EP foreign affairs commitee, both Germans, from the same political party (CDU), no 'lighweights' inside the EP.

There resides IMO already a first big issue: those two experienced politicians know oh too well the status of their official function inside the EP, though rather 'decorative', gives a not to neglect extra-weight to what they undersign, together the more so, and, now you have it: when they do it in their official function, creating, each at its level, some form of binding commitment for what they represent the EP for.

Well, don't tell me there is no serious reason then for these two versed politicians NOT TO use their title, not in the adress, not in the text, not in the signature! This reduces the existence of this letter to its real 'value': a 'personal' initiative by 2 of the 751 EPMs towards a private person of Thai nationality!

The 'form' of the letter:

Being a EU citizen who had the privilege(?) to learn a few bits about the ways of doing things inside of the Ubu-esk Babel tower the EU institutions have become, from 6 to 25 member States, with tens of thousands of massively overpaid out-of-this-world Mandarins. Let me tell you there are some very 'a-typical', 'unusual' elements in the text, to say the least.

The English language used for the letter is totally below-par. Even when it would have been prepared in German language, there are thousands(!) of top(!)-translators working for the EU, and the English would have been tip-top, not just grammatically correct. Bringing up next questions: about who the persons are who have been 'preparing', all of, or parts of, that 'limping' text, which is the language originally used, and who translated it...

The content of the letter:

Compared to the accustomed, 'cushioned' and tip-toeing, EU-style is quite astonishing. Never have I heard of or seen a letter on any of the EU institutions' headings with such an incisive, square-ish tone, totally un-diplomatic, missing any nuance, ...and very 'one-sided' (I'd say biased), with some big parts (the ones for sure in 'so-so' English) which are as good as a duplication of pure un-edited Shins' PTP/UDD propaganda releases... May I sincerely doubt any, even very private, letter of this kind was ever addressed on any EU heading to that, real, Lady, of a totally different 'caliber', in Burma...

The 'timing' of the letter:

This letter is coming just at a far too 'ideal' time for Yingluck. Very 'odd' in itself too, were it that the 'timing' was set by those two EMPs by themselves, what I cannot be totally sure of...

Also, the time it took for the letter to 'surface', say made public by the Shins' 'PR services'. Nobody would come up with the idea to send any important paper by regular mail from Europe to Thailand: it takes 3 weeks or more, when it ever arrives... 'Normal' EMS would be a basic choice, taking up to 2 weeks. 'Express' would be less than 10 days. Was the EP envelope containing the letter stamped, where, ...and when? We don't know. Or was the letter carried and delivered? We don't know either. There must be a good reason though why it 'sat' for days and weeks before being 'revealed', the Shins' strategists for sure know, we won't...

Also, please note that the EP, one of the three pillars of the EU institutions, next to the Council (political authority) and Commision (executive and administrative authority), initially supposed to be lawmakers, iwas set to become the most important of all, in the basic EU treaties, but the political union never materialised, making from the EP a hugely expensive 'big machine' (having seats in both Stratsburg and Brussels with alternate place of gathering makes it very heavy and intricate too) with as good as no authority at all (all the decisions of importance, are taken by the Council, and, even more, behind it) very 'buzzing' with those expensive 751 EPMs, having each a, richly paid, official following (the general cost per EPM ranging in the millions of Baht ...per month), 'holding court', meeting, discussing, ...making a lot of wind in an attempt to justify their existence...

Last, but not least, there are: the EU 'lobbyists'...!

As a, very specialized, 'trade' on its own, they were a nearly non-existant species for the EU a good twenty years ago, now it must have become like around the US Federal authorities, with hundreds(!) of individuals and companies making a very good living 'lobbying' the EU institutions, ...as a profession attempting to influence important EU individuals favourably towards the needs of their paying clients, or opposite towards their rivals or competitors.

And an utterly hard, vicious and corrupt business it is! Mind you, rarely brown envelopes or donut boxes are used there, rather using luxury goods, 'advantages', 'participations', 'connexions', 'free-rides', even vice...

Making me wonder whether this letter might possibly, at least for some part, have been the work of some 'lobbyist(s)', working for the Shins.

That Thaksin &Co. have been already using the services of 'lobbyists' is no secret, the name of Robert Amsterdam f.i. is quite well known in Thailand...

Wow, thousands of words and still missing the point, its very simple, as the US ambasador has just very clearly said "there is only one type of democracy" and it is not achived by a government that surpresses free speech and uses the courts to supress political opponents. The EU is making a very clear point, they don't like the way YL and the democratically elected government was hounded out of office.

Many thanks for clarifying this issue.

So it's not a private invitation..."The EU is making a very clear point, they don't like the way YL and the democratically elected government was hounded out of office"

[MiKT]

Well, what happened? Today, no more: 'EU invite', no more 'EU Parliament invites Yingluck' or other spins, even from 'uncle''s side...

Seemingly forced to by the reality of the facts, the whole 'Shins' fan club' has, altogether(!) and swiftly, taken a sharp inward curve, covering their 'strategic(!) retreat' with a lot of their too usual 'but's and 'if's, twisting and turning at a pace that would make a trained darvish dizzy...

Now, about the facts:

that famous letter:

Clearly not a fake, it is undersigned by two EP members. True, one is the EP President, the other the EP Secretary General and head of the EP foreign affairs commitee, both Germans, from the same political party (CDU), no 'lighweights' inside the EP.

There resides IMO already a first big issue: those two experienced politicians know oh too well the status of their official function inside the EP, though rather 'decorative', gives a not to neglect extra-weight to what they undersign, together the more so, and, now you have it: when they do it in their official function, creating, each at its level, some form of binding commitment for what they represent the EP for.

Well, don't tell me there is no serious reason then for these two versed politicians NOT TO use their title, not in the adress, not in the text, not in the signature! This reduces the existence of this letter to its real 'value': a 'personal' initiative by 2 of the 751 EPMs towards a private person of Thai nationality!

The 'form' of the letter:

Being a EU citizen who had the privilege(?) to learn a few bits about the ways of doing things inside of the Ubu-esk Babel tower the EU institutions have become, from 6 to 25 member States, with tens of thousands of massively overpaid out-of-this-world Mandarins. Let me tell you there are some very 'a-typical', 'unusual' elements in the text, to say the least.

The English language used for the letter is totally below-par. Even when it would have been prepared in German language, there are thousands(!) of top(!)-translators working for the EU, and the English would have been tip-top, not just grammatically correct. Bringing up next questions: about who the persons are who have been 'preparing', all of, or parts of, that 'limping' text, which is the language originally used, and who translated it...

The content of the letter:

Compared to the accustomed, 'cushioned' and tip-toeing, EU-style is quite astonishing. Never have I heard of or seen a letter on any of the EU institutions' headings with such an incisive, square-ish tone, totally un-diplomatic, missing any nuance, ...and very 'one-sided' (I'd say biased), with some big parts (the ones for sure in 'so-so' English) which are as good as a duplication of pure un-edited Shins' PTP/UDD propaganda releases... May I sincerely doubt any, even very private, letter of this kind was ever addressed on any EU heading to that, real, Lady, of a totally different 'caliber', in Burma...

The 'timing' of the letter:

This letter is coming just at a far too 'ideal' time for Yingluck. Very 'odd' in itself too, were it that the 'timing' was set by those two EMPs by themselves, what I cannot be totally sure of...

Also, the time it took for the letter to 'surface', say made public by the Shins' 'PR services'. Nobody would come up with the idea to send any important paper by regular mail from Europe to Thailand: it takes 3 weeks or more, when it ever arrives... 'Normal' EMS would be a basic choice, taking up to 2 weeks. 'Express' would be less than 10 days. Was the EP envelope containing the letter stamped, where, ...and when? We don't know. Or was the letter carried and delivered? We don't know either. There must be a good reason though why it 'sat' for days and weeks before being 'revealed', the Shins' strategists for sure know, we won't...

Also, please note that the EP, one of the three pillars of the EU institutions, next to the Council (political authority) and Commision (executive and administrative authority), initially supposed to be lawmakers, iwas set to become the most important of all, in the basic EU treaties, but the political union never materialised, making from the EP a hugely expensive 'big machine' (having seats in both Stratsburg and Brussels with alternate place of gathering makes it very heavy and intricate too) with as good as no authority at all (all the decisions of importance, are taken by the Council, and, even more, behind it) very 'buzzing' with those expensive 751 EPMs, having each a, richly paid, official following (the general cost per EPM ranging in the millions of Baht ...per month), 'holding court', meeting, discussing, ...making a lot of wind in an attempt to justify their existence...

Last, but not least, there are: the EU 'lobbyists'...!

As a, very specialized, 'trade' on its own, they were a nearly non-existant species for the EU a good twenty years ago, now it must have become like around the US Federal authorities, with hundreds(!) of individuals and companies making a very good living 'lobbying' the EU institutions, ...as a profession attempting to influence important EU individuals favourably towards the needs of their paying clients, or opposite towards their rivals or competitors.

And an utterly hard, vicious and corrupt business it is! Mind you, rarely brown envelopes or donut boxes are used there, rather using luxury goods, 'advantages', 'participations', 'connexions', 'free-rides', even vice...

Making me wonder whether this letter might possibly, at least for some part, have been the work of some 'lobbyist(s)', working for the Shins.

That Thaksin &Co. have been already using the services of 'lobbyists' is no secret, the name of Robert Amsterdam f.i. is quite well known in Thailand...

Wow, thousands of words and still missing the point, its very simple, as the US ambasador has just very clearly said "there is only one type of democracy" and it is not achived by a government that surpresses free speech and uses the courts to supress political opponents. The EU is making a very clear point, they don't like the way YL and the democratically elected government was hounded out of office.

Many thanks for clarifying this issue.

So it's not a private invitation..."The EU is making a very clear point, they don't like the way YL and the democratically elected government was hounded out of office"

Correct, its a clear point. What are you a talking parrot? Very well trained to observe the truth if you are.

[bangrak]

Hahaha, the letter is brilliant. What a slap in the face for the general. Certainly let him know what they think of him.

May I politely advise you and the other members of the Shins' fan club here to have a good look at what a well educated, well informed, and unbiased, Thai journalist going by the name Veera clearly explains in 'the other paper'?

I don't expect it to change your minds, but so you could read it from someone else than from us here, the bad guys who don't fall in the trap of your repetitive propaganda rhetoric...

I am no Shin lover, i just detest the junta more.

The letter is quite clear. The last paragraph clearly states the European Parliament..... Then ends with....our collaborators....

The invitation is not personal, it is to meet the parliament to discuss opinions, which is clearly also shown by general throwing a hissy fit.

They certainly put him in his place.

When we read: 'I am no Shin lover' or anything alike at the start of a post, we already know what is automatically going to follow...

Do you have to write that for the false hope of having some credibility? When you'd think so, it'd tell a lot indeed about the Shins &Co....

[bangrak]

Well, what happened? Today, no more: 'EU invite', no more 'EU Parliament invites Yingluck' or other spins, even from 'uncle''s side...

Seemingly forced to by the reality of the facts, the whole 'Shins' fan club' has, altogether(!) and swiftly, taken a sharp inward curve, covering their 'strategic(!) retreat' with a lot of their too usual 'but's and 'if's, twisting and turning at a pace that would make a trained darvish dizzy...

Now, about the facts:

that famous letter:

Clearly not a fake, it is undersigned by two EP members. True, one is the EP President, the other the EP Secretary General and head of the EP foreign affairs commitee, both Germans, from the same political party (CDU), no 'lighweights' inside the EP.

There resides IMO already a first big issue: those two experienced politicians know oh too well the status of their official function inside the EP, though rather 'decorative', gives a not to neglect extra-weight to what they undersign, together the more so, and, now you have it: when they do it in their official function, creating, each at its level, some form of binding commitment for what they represent the EP for.

Well, don't tell me there is no serious reason then for these two versed politicians NOT TO use their title, not in the adress, not in the text, not in the signature! This reduces the existence of this letter to its real 'value': a 'personal' initiative by 2 of the 751 EPMs towards a private person of Thai nationality!

The 'form' of the letter:

Being a EU citizen who had the privilege(?) to learn a few bits about the ways of doing things inside of the Ubu-esk Babel tower the EU institutions have become, from 6 to 25 member States, with tens of thousands of massively overpaid out-of-this-world Mandarins. Let me tell you there are some very 'a-typical', 'unusual' elements in the text, to say the least.

The English language used for the letter is totally below-par. Even when it would have been prepared in German language, there are thousands(!) of top(!)-translators working for the EU, and the English would have been tip-top, not just grammatically correct. Bringing up next questions: about who the persons are who have been 'preparing', all of, or parts of, that 'limping' text, which is the language originally used, and who translated it...

The content of the letter:

Compared to the accustomed, 'cushioned' and tip-toeing, EU-style is quite astonishing. Never have I heard of or seen a letter on any of the EU institutions' headings with such an incisive, square-ish tone, totally un-diplomatic, missing any nuance, ...and very 'one-sided' (I'd say biased), with some big parts (the ones for sure in 'so-so' English) which are as good as a duplication of pure un-edited Shins' PTP/UDD propaganda releases... May I sincerely doubt any, even very private, letter of this kind was ever addressed on any EU heading to that, real, Lady, of a totally different 'caliber', in Burma...

The 'timing' of the letter:

This letter is coming just at a far too 'ideal' time for Yingluck. Very 'odd' in itself too, were it that the 'timing' was set by those two EMPs by themselves, what I cannot be totally sure of...

Also, the time it took for the letter to 'surface', say made public by the Shins' 'PR services'. Nobody would come up with the idea to send any important paper by regular mail from Europe to Thailand: it takes 3 weeks or more, when it ever arrives... 'Normal' EMS would be a basic choice, taking up to 2 weeks. 'Express' would be less than 10 days. Was the EP envelope containing the letter stamped, where, ...and when? We don't know. Or was the letter carried and delivered? We don't know either. There must be a good reason though why it 'sat' for days and weeks before being 'revealed', the Shins' strategists for sure know, we won't...

Also, please note that the EP, one of the three pillars of the EU institutions, next to the Council (political authority) and Commision (executive and administrative authority), initially supposed to be lawmakers, iwas set to become the most important of all, in the basic EU treaties, but the political union never materialised, making from the EP a hugely expensive 'big machine' (having seats in both Stratsburg and Brussels with alternate place of gathering makes it very heavy and intricate too) with as good as no authority at all (all the decisions of importance, are taken by the Council, and, even more, behind it) very 'buzzing' with those expensive 751 EPMs, having each a, richly paid, official following (the general cost per EPM ranging in the millions of Baht ...per month), 'holding court', meeting, discussing, ...making a lot of wind in an attempt to justify their existence...

Last, but not least, there are: the EU 'lobbyists'...!

As a, very specialized, 'trade' on its own, they were a nearly non-existant species for the EU a good twenty years ago, now it must have become like around the US Federal authorities, with hundreds(!) of individuals and companies making a very good living 'lobbying' the EU institutions, ...as a profession attempting to influence important EU individuals favourably towards the needs of their paying clients, or opposite towards their rivals or competitors.

And an utterly hard, vicious and corrupt business it is! Mind you, rarely brown envelopes or donut boxes are used there, rather using luxury goods, 'advantages', 'participations', 'connexions', 'free-rides', even vice...

Making me wonder whether this letter might possibly, at least for some part, have been the work of some 'lobbyist(s)', working for the Shins.

That Thaksin &Co. have been already using the services of 'lobbyists' is no secret, the name of Robert Amsterdam f.i. is quite well known in Thailand...

Wow, thousands of words and still missing the point, its very simple, as the US ambasador has just very clearly said "there is only one type of democracy" and it is not achived by a government that surpresses free speech and uses the courts to supress political opponents. The EU is making a very clear point, they don't like the way YL and the democratically elected government was hounded out of office.

How do you define democracy?

They weren't hounded out of office, they were ejected by their political opponents using free speech and protests of which the government supporting 'red shirts' tried to suppress by attacking these peaceful protests with guns and bombs. Did the government attempt to stop the murdering of innocents? No they didn't!! Did they encourage it by doing nothing? Yes they did.

By the way, there are several versions of democracy, there is the democracy that the US likes whereby those voted in are favourable to THEM, the one where they dislike the winners and are happy to see a legitimately elected democratic government over thrown by force if it is to THEIR benefit (Egypt for example) and there is flawed democracy (Thaksin style) when you buy the vote and then immediately throw the democracy rule book out of the window and start implementing your 'very undemocratic' new rules to suit your own agenda and not that of the people who you deceived and tricked into putting you there in the first place!!

I prefer the benign dictatorship resulting from a bloodless coup to any of these - especially whereby the interests of the people are foremost!!

Excuse me, every body is entitled to their opinion on TV but nobody is entitled to propagate blatant lies. They were overthrown by the army who had supported and planned for several years with Suthep and his gang of yellow shirts to overthrow the government. It was the very unpeaceful yellow shirts who were causing all the violence and the army prevented the police from arresting the protestors, who if you were actually here would know, attacked the police with grenades and guns. So it was not a bloodless coup, even the navy were involved when their so called "seals" were caught shooting at the public to cause unrest.

I think the American Ambassador put it most clearly when he said "democracy has universal, not American principals which include self determination and free speech. Note UNIVERSAL PRINCIPALS of DEMOCRACY. This is what the EU recognise as well and why they don't invite the general to speak to the EU parliament, but do invite YL who most people, both inside and outside Thailand, still consider as the legitimate representative of the Thai people.

The YL government were not perfect but they did not repress the people with no self determination or free speech, or attempt to propagate a totally repressive pseudo democracy. You can't deny this fact. Even Abhasit does not agree with what is happening now.

Quit with the lies, you are getting as bad as EJ, we know the truth and repeating your lies won't change it; and please, please quit with the Thaksin vote buying shit, all parties were buying votes and the Suthep clan were particularly active buying votes in the south, They also paid for all their demonstrators to come and clog up Bangkok until the army could step in with their self made Casus belli.

All your propaganda won't change the facts.

'Blatant lies', hmm, 'MiKT',indeed a lot of such in your prosa...

[Linky]

Hahaha, the letter is brilliant. What a slap in the face for the general. Certainly let him know what they think of him.

May I politely advise you and the other members of the Shins' fan club here to have a good look at what a well educated, well informed, and unbiased, Thai journalist going by the name Veera clearly explains in 'the other paper'?

I don't expect it to change your minds, but so you could read it from someone else than from us here, the bad guys who don't fall in the trap of your repetitive propaganda rhetoric...

I am no Shin lover, i just detest the junta more.

The letter is quite clear. The last paragraph clearly states the European Parliament..... Then ends with....our collaborators....

The invitation is not personal, it is to meet the parliament to discuss opinions, which is clearly also shown by general throwing a hissy fit.

They certainly put him in his place.

When we read: 'I am no Shin lover' or anything alike at the start of a post, we already know what is automatically going to follow...

Do you have to write that for the false hope of having some credibility? When you'd think so, it'd tell a lot indeed about the Shins &Co....

I was merely correcting your false assertion. But call me shin lover all you want, it still doesnt change the fact the EP has invited Yingy to give her opinion. So they give her opinion more credibility than the general.

Must really stick in his craw, the poor guy is running out of toys to throw out.

[bangrak]

The whole of this Shins' PTP's PR campaign (IMO rather 'agit prop') was organised around, in a nutshell: Yingluck being (officially) invited by the EU (or the EP).

What it would indeed have been when on EP paper, one or the both EMP(s) would have addressed and undersigned the letter in his/their quality of respectively president, and/or secretary general and head of the foreign affairs committee.

It has clearly appeared though she was (informally, as no date set) invited (indeed) by 2 out of 751 EMPs, in their (personal, individual) quality of EMP, no less, no more.

Same-same? Not at all so! Be assured these two weathered politicians know very well what huge difference it makes, ...and why they did it this way. As for getting the EP, as an EU institution, to caution such an invite, it would have needed a long, difficult, controversial process of (political) agreement within the whole EP, to be absolved.

For the rest, each of us may, should, have an opinion (hopefully of its own), but, please, posters here, do show some respect for the undeniable truth of the facts!

The question remaining open is: why did these two EMPs do it?

Some could be 'inclined'(?) to think it were high ideals, deep democratic feelings or a vivid interest for Thailand these two were motivated by (may I sincerely put this in doubt).

Others though (like me) might think the whole thing was a set-up arranged by (a) lobbyist(s) working for some (unknown...?) client(s) (which would be in line with, alas, quite common practices inside the EP), for this client(s) to use it to start an PR offensive attempting to create a diversion to give some shelter (and an illusion of credibility) to a certain Ms called Yingluck for what's (deservedly IMO) hanging above her head (and 'the wallet' of her family).

[Thai at Heart]

Hahaha, the letter is brilliant. What a slap in the face for the general. Certainly let him know what they think of him.

May I politely advise you and the other members of the Shins' fan club here to have a good look at what a well educated, well informed, and unbiased, Thai journalist going by the name Veera clearly explains in 'the other paper'?

I don't expect it to change your minds, but so you could read it from someone else than from us here, the bad guys who don't fall in the trap of your repetitive propaganda rhetoric...

I am no Shin lover, i just detest the junta more.

The letter is quite clear. The last paragraph clearly states the European Parliament..... Then ends with....our collaborators....

The invitation is not personal, it is to meet the parliament to discuss opinions, which is clearly also shown by general throwing a hissy fit.

They certainly put him in his place.

When we read: 'I am no Shin lover' or anything alike at the start of a post, we already know what is automatically going to follow...

Do you have to write that for the false hope of having some credibility? When you'd think so, it'd tell a lot indeed about the Shins &Co....

Oh please.

[Thai at Heart]

https://www.facebook.com/events/362050913853127/

Of course, they could have invited her by Facebook

[EnglishJohn]

The whole of this Shins' PTP's PR campaign (IMO rather 'agit prop') was organised around, in a nutshell: Yingluck being (officially) invited by the EU (or the EP).

What it would indeed have been when on EP paper, one or the both EMP(s) would have addressed and undersigned the letter in his/their quality of respectively president, and/or secretary general and head of the foreign affairs committee.

It has clearly appeared though she was (informally, as no date set) invited (indeed) by 2 out of 751 EMPs, in their (personal, individual) quality of EMP, no less, no more.

Same-same? Not at all so! Be assured these two weathered politicians know very well what huge difference it makes, ...and why they did it this way. As for getting the EP, as an EU institution, to caution such an invite, it would have needed a long, difficult, controversial process of (political) agreement within the whole EP, to be absolved.

For the rest, each of us may, should, have an opinion (hopefully of its own), but, please, posters here, do show some respect for the undeniable truth of the facts!

The question remaining open is: why did these two EMPs do it?

Some could be 'inclined'(?) to think it were high ideals, deep democratic feelings or a vivid interest for Thailand these two were motivated by (may I sincerely put this in doubt).

Others though (like me) might think the whole thing was a set-up arranged by (a) lobbyist(s) working for some (unknown...?) client(s) (which would be in line with, alas, quite common practices inside the EP), for this client(s) to use it to start an PR offensive attempting to create a diversion to give some shelter (and an illusion of credibility) to a certain Ms called Yingluck for what's (deservedly IMO) hanging above her head (and 'the wallet' of her family).

Another significant thing about this story is how most of the Thai press joined in and claimed it was indeed the EU Parliament which invited her.

Either they did not give the story any due diligence about the facts before going to press or they were deliberately playing along with the game and the whole thing is one big PR stunt. Given how I have come to realize that almost every organisation which can affect a governments popularity has the tentacles of corruption in it here, I personally suspect the latter.