Protesters tell US ambassador to "go home"

[micmichd]

Why the US always needs to open their mouth and start interfering in local affairs of other countries? How many more civil wars do they want to create?

It's not easy being the only world superpower.

On any balance sheet their are a gains column and a loss column.

Are you perhaps suggesting that if China or Russia were to take the place of the USA, that the gains column would outweigh the loss column?

Perhaps you are suggesting that neither China nor Russia would interfere in another country's affairs?

What are you suggesting by the way?

Neutrality.

[WaiLai]

That's exactly right get out but leave our all mighty dollars behind and all our free weapons and military aircraft and cruisers and destroyers that we give this country every single year.

Yeah that would be real good move for Thailand

Sounds like blackmail to me.

Do as we say or we will take away all your naughty war toys.

Not really, just making clear that certain things come with conditions and expectations of behaviour on the part of the recipient.

So it isn't aid then? They are paying for influence?

The average "Thai Joe" on the street is hoping that their revered leader can improve their well being. They don't care how it is done or who it is done with as long as it is sustainable and in the short-term. They also like to gamble and bet on a horse that has led the way and won in most races! Now guess who that would be? ask the former Soviet Union! they went bankrupt in the competition - and the satellites moved as far away from communism as they could

[LannaGuy]

Looks like they could do with some English lessons.

and lessons in democracy and lessons in freedom of speech

(yes the irony of them GATHERING is not lost! so lessons in fairness and equality too)

Edited November 29, 2015 by LannaGuy

[WaiLai]

interesting to read the anti-davies and anti-american comments ... most of them indicate that the posters did not even understand what the Ambassador said in his comments or why the crazies were out protesting ...

Rather amazing, ...

but so very true - unless they truly debated the issue

* we born and educated in the free world should never give up hope on these people - especially when the "right to self-expression and self-determination"has been taken away from them

[WaiLai]

That's exactly right get out but leave our all mighty dollars behind and all our free weapons and military aircraft and cruisers and destroyers that we give this country every single year.

Yeah that would be real good move for Thailand

Sounds like blackmail to me.

Do as we say or we will take away all your naughty war toys.

Truly?

You think that is how the game is played?

Governments are expected by the free world to protect and enhance the quality of life of its citizens.

Are you saying that the current government has even started to take steps towards these noble goals?

Please cite some examples of what they have done!

[WaiLai]

I know it might be little mind-boggling for some but try to fathom this:

1. during the American Civil War, it is estimated that between 600,000 and 800,000 people died as a result of this "american vs american" war

2. during the Cambodian Civil War, it is estimated that nearly 200,000 Khmers died

Where else did more people fight and die for their ideals?

Find me statistics which refute that the American Civil War as seen by the free world was not considered being a light at the end of a very dark tunnel! In fact, find me statistics which show that more "citizens of the world" chose a country other than the USA to immigrate to following the American Civil War!

Nothing is perfect but democracy never claims that it will be except that it will ensue to make it so.

[WaiLai]

Why the US always needs to open their mouth and start interfering in local affairs of other countries? How many more civil wars do they want to create?

It's not easy being the only world superpower.

On any balance sheet their are a gains column and a loss column.

Are you perhaps suggesting that if China or Russia were to take the place of the USA, that the gains column would outweigh the loss column?

Perhaps you are suggesting that neither China nor Russia would interfere in another country's affairs?

What are you suggesting by the way?

Neutrality.

Neutrality will lead to what specifically? Explain your comment please. You must have witnessed or researched something that would suggest "neutrality" is the best approach in guiding a nation towards personal freedoms and democracy.

[Wilsonandson]

I agree. Let's all bugger out and leave this land for the Chinese to pillage. Return after 50 years and ask how it's going so far.

When you go please take Michael Yon with you. What a wally.

[tonbridgebrit]

Thailand, Thailand, get real. You need America. Far better to have America competing with China in your country, rather than giving China exclusive rights to your country.

And Thai government, you put up a law banning protests. Well, this particular protest should be banned. These protesters are harming Thailand, have them removed, and don't let them protest again.

[Jimdandy]

In case you have forgotten, when a country is invited to open an embassy, the host government is allowing certain privileges. That's right, in essence the Thai government is saying to every country that has an embassy there that they can stick their nose in their business,

embassies exist not to stick their noses in internal affairs but to participate in diplomacy - international relations between countries. Ambassador and his (her) subordinates are representatives of their country for a host country's government. That's why embassies are always situated in capitals.

and if embassy staff start to do something else they become "persona non grata" - "for for unlawful activities incompatible with the status of a diplomat "

but Americans just think they can do whatever they want and wherever they want. the believe nobody will dare to say no.

Oh they don't!? What do you call what Russia did in Ukraine, what do you call what Spain did in Catalan region, what do you call what the Saudis are doing in Yemen? What do you call what France did in Mali?

[Johpa]

Pages of comments criticizing the US for taking on in public one of many ridiculous Thai laws that are leading this Kingdom towards totalitarianism and a place on the continuum adjacent to North Korea. Most Thais I know are despondent over the current situation and would prefer to see more public criticisms emanating from Western governments. But here on ThaiVisa the rabble is absorbed with bonking the daughters of the unemployed somtam ladies hired to carry placards they can't read. Wait awhile longer and if the madness is not contained we may see some of these useless ex-pat Farangs literally fed to the dog's for the entertainment of the demented ones.

Edited November 29, 2015 by Johpa

[harness]

USA.......Talk talk talk.

[than]

Looks like they could do with some English lessons.

and lessons in democracy and lessons in freedom of speech

(yes the irony of them GATHERING is not lost! so lessons in fairness and equality too)

The LM law disturb those who have somethings to reproach

LM law is an Thailand internal affair

US must adhere to UN Chart who stipulate (US sign chart the October 24th 1945) : NON-INTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF STATE, THE MAIN Corollary PRINCIPLE OF EQUAL SOVEREIGN STATES

As the principle of the sovereign equality of States, the principle of non-interference constitutes one of the fundamental principles of international relations.

[micmichd]

Thailand, Thailand, get real. You need America. Far better to have America competing with China in your country, rather than giving China exclusive rights to your country.

And Thai government, you put up a law banning protests. Well, this particular protest should be banned. These protesters are harming Thailand, have them removed, and don't let them protest again.

BS. They had a right to protest, so they did.

Whether their protest is justified by facts is another question.

I thought an English-speaking community was familiar with the basic idea of "agree to disagree". If not, what right would you have to complain about anything in Thailand?

[micmichd]

Looks like they could do with some English lessons.

and lessons in democracy and lessons in freedom of speech

(yes the irony of them GATHERING is not lost! so lessons in fairness and equality too)

The LM law disturb those who have somethings to reproach

LM law is an Thailand internal affair

US must adhere to UN Chart who stipulate (US sign chart the October 24th 1945) : NON-INTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF STATE, THE MAIN Corollary PRINCIPLE OF EQUAL SOVEREIGN STATES

As the principle of the sovereign equality of States, the principle of non-interference constitutes one of the fundamental principles of international relations.

So, nothing is wrong with this demonstration, right?

What was the actual trigger for it all?

TPP, or something else?

[mankondang]

Hope he listens and takes all his fellow countrymen with him

[Nobb]

Great sign since a Thai Monk leads a protest against the American consolidate. Some thing not right when a so called monk alloys the <deleted> word in his protest. Even stranger the Thai Junta PM did not chose to go against these Thai protesters. Then he make remarks like he does not need America. Never should be a leader of Thailand because he has no class in his comments or his actions! He thinks China will bell him out but there are many more Asian that would be more than happy to trade with America at cheaper prices. Go Democracy!

[phoenixdoglover]

In the absence of a severe reprimand of the protesters by the Junta, we now have a new precedent.

[gazzasore]

Not correct. If you think the Army gave up in Vietnam because of casualties, you should read some history before attempting to make comments on it.

They usually go back home when the media concentrate on the stray bombs which killed some civilians and it gets plastered all over the news.

Then the people who they were fighting go back to slaughtering their political or religious enemies by the thousand in the most barbaric manner with nobody to stop them - but those same liberals don't feel any guilt about that for some reason and the media don't report it because they caused it.

Golly John, are you sick? You actually wrote something sensible and true for once. Keep it up.

Monsanto and Dow sprayed vietnam with agent orange, many veterans have died young from skin cancer and other cancers after being sprayed on and Post Traumatic stress.

Now the Thai's are passing a bill to allow Monsanto into Thailand and infest it with GM crops and chemicals.

No wonder they are not wanted here, by the sensible ones.

What "Now the Thai's are passing a bill to allow Monsanto into Thailand "

They wouldn't be so stupid would they?

Monsanto is being kicked out of countries around the world

Why don't people learn from others Mistakes

[micmichd]

So, was this demonstration about Monsanto allowed to poison and eventually infertilize Thai crops?

[waldroj]

In the absence of a severe reprimand of the protesters by the Junta, we now have a new precedent.

The precedent was set during the Battle of Copenhagen in 1801.

"I really do not see the protesters"!

[tonbridgebrit]

Thailand, Thailand, get real. You need America. Far better to have America competing with China in your country, rather than giving China exclusive rights to your country.

And Thai government, you put up a law banning protests. Well, this particular protest should be banned. These protesters are harming Thailand, have them removed, and don't let them protest again.

BS. They had a right to protest, so they did.

Whether their protest is justified by facts is another question.

I thought an English-speaking community was familiar with the basic idea of "agree to disagree". If not, what right would you have to complain about anything in Thailand?

micmichd, what on earth are you on about ?

For a start, do you think it's good for Thailand when such anti-American demonstrations take place ? Do you reckon that people from America, Britain and Australia reckon it's good that such anti-American demonstrations take place ?

You want to talk about the idea of "agree to disgree" ? How about you talk about "consistency" when applying the law ? You do know, right, that it is against the law to have any demonstrations in Thailand ? Does that give you a problem ? You can go home to whatever country you're from IF this gives you a problem.

And NO, it doesn't give me a problem when all demonstrations in Thailand are banned. I'm just trying to say, that all demonstrations are actually banned in Thailand. Hence, this should be banned. It is, afer all, a demonstration.

You reckon I'm talking BS ? Are you talking BS ?

[Usernames]

Ought to see the huge line of Thais in the mornings lined up outside the US embassy waiting (and hoping) for visas to go to the US. Wonder what the line is like at other embassies?

[tonbridgebrit]

Got to remove these demonstrators, crackdown, and crackdown hard. The full power of the government should be released. Beijing knows how to deal with people who break the law with their demonstrations, Bangkok can learn a thing or two fom Beijing.

Remember, this is ASIA, NOT Europe or America. There's the European way of doing things, and the Asian way of doing things. Getting the two methods confused is not a good thing.

[waldroj]

tonbridgebrit

It this what you mean?

[tropo]

Why the US always needs to open their mouth and start interfering in local affairs of other countries? How many more civil wars do they want to create?

They can't help themselves

Wouldn't you expect any responsible spokesperson from a western country to make comments similar to that made by Davies?

You would expect so, but the silence is deafening. I give full credit to Davies for speaking out. It's embarrassing that Australia (add your country here) is too afraid to comment on it. Human rights violations are a world wide concern and all should join in to condemn it.

The flagrant violation of anti-demonstration laws (allowed for whatever reason?) is the most distasteful element of this event.

Edited November 29, 2015 by tropo

[lovelomsak]

Are diplomats not allowed to speak in a diplomatic way? He simply stated an obvious western view point.. It was not an instruction but a western observation,as seen in western eyes.Statements such has his do not need influence Thai policy or governence . But I feel it should be understood by thai politicians and used to their advantage now and in the future rather than attack the messenger.

[tbthailand]

Looks like they could do with some English lessons.

and lessons in democracy and lessons in freedom of speech

(yes the irony of them GATHERING is not lost! so lessons in fairness and equality too)

The LM law disturb those who have somethings to reproach

LM law is an Thailand internal affair

US must adhere to UN Chart who stipulate (US sign chart the October 24th 1945) : NON-INTERFERENCE IN INTERNAL AFFAIRS OF STATE, THE MAIN Corollary PRINCIPLE OF EQUAL SOVEREIGN STATES

As the principle of the sovereign equality of States, the principle of non-interference constitutes one of the fundamental principles of international relations.

BS: LM in Thailand is an abuse of universal human rights...

[DaddyWarbucks]

The USA should put its own house in order.

[tbthailand]

What's wrong with those people ?? All the that ambassador said was " nobody should be jailed for his/her opinion".

Those demonstrating at the US embassy are basically saying " we like to be supressed". TIT.

actually, they are saying "we like to suppress other people".