Ranger killed by bomb planted in his mother's grave in Yala

[Baerboxer]

A very nice muslin action again.

Congratulation for these coward insects.

I guess the muslin nurses may cheer again as before ...

Nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with an insurgency by those who feel their country is occupied.

Doesn't make the actions of these scum any more justifiable, but let's keep the religious hate out of this.

Actually the so called insurgency in the south is based on religious hate.

The muslim kind.

Open your eyes, don't deny things that are quite obvious

Utter nonsense.

The issue with the insurgents in the South is they don't want to be part of Thailand. They are Muslim's and Thailand isn't a Muslim country. Whilst religion is not the only and perhaps not the major initial drive of the insurgency, it is certainly a key ingredient.

Deny that religious bigotry feeds off political and civil disagreement doesn't work. Terrorists world wide appeal to religious and ethnic groups for support. The politically only terrorist groups that sprung up in Europe at one time never grew into the evil large organizations like these others. IRA, ETA, all the Muslin terror groups all appeal to religion and ethnicity to stir up support and create conflict and divide.

What would be the reaction if someone blew up Muslim graves?

[Mot Dang]

How evil, must be a new low-water mark even for terrorists.

How low can these Muslim terrorists get ? They are absolutely void of those qualities that make the rest of us human. If this behavior is in the name of Islam, then I will feel no compassion or mercy for them. This just stinks ?

[EnglishJohn]

A very nice muslin action again.

Congratulation for these coward insects.

I guess the muslin nurses may cheer again as before ...

Nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with an insurgency by those who feel their country is occupied.

Doesn't make the actions of these scum any more justifiable, but let's keep the religious hate out of this.

Actually the so called insurgency in the south is based on religious hate.

The muslim kind.

Open your eyes, don't deny things that are quite obvious

Utter nonsense.

He said open your eyes, not come out with utter nonsense.

The loyalty of a Muslim is to the religion above all else. Everything else comes second. That's why families will kill their own children if they break the rules and believe they did the right thing.

People like you who are quick to defend and slow to condemn in case you offend them are the reason this world is in such a mess.

[Baerboxer]

I would be interested to see an example of the British doing this........

Been done before, Philippines for the former and the latter, used in India by the British military.

Not sure about the cooking oil, sounds a bit sticky to me.

Part of the reasons behind the 1857 indian mutiny was the alleged use of pig or cow fat to grease bullets.

The true causes were more complex and deep rooted in social, religious and economic grievances caused by the actions of the british east india company.

Weren't those allegations spread deliberately to undermine the British native soldiers - whether Muslim or Hindu?

An example of insurgent terrorists exploiting religious beliefs.

I'm not sure who it was, but didn't one US commander order Muslim terrorists to be wrapped in pig skins?

[Baerboxer]

How evil, must be a new low-water mark even for terrorists.

How low can these Muslim terrorists get ? They are absolutely void of those qualities that make the rest of us human. If this behavior is in the name of Islam, then I will feel no compassion or mercy for them. This just stinks ?

Remember when Jewish terrorists kidnapped and executed two British Army NCO's. They eventually hung them from a Lemon tree and kindly booby-trapped one body. It was blown to pieces as the bodies were recovered. And the terrorist leader went on to become PM of Israel.

The IRA / INLA have murdered women and children and attacked soft unarmed off-duty targets for assassination.

Terrorists know no morals, ethics, or have any guilt or conscience.

Nothing to do with any religion they claim to follow.

Then they are the first to whine about their human rights must be respected. And all the PC liberal lefty <deleted> support them. That is what is truly low and sickening.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Baerboxer

[Bluespunk]

Actually the so called insurgency in the south is based on religious hate.

The muslim kind.

Open your eyes, don't deny things that are quite obvious

Utter nonsense.

The issue with the insurgents in the South is they don't want to be part of Thailand. They are Muslim's and Thailand isn't a Muslim country. Whilst religion is not the only and perhaps not the major initial drive of the insurgency, it is certainly a key ingredient.

Deny that religious bigotry feeds off political and civil disagreement doesn't work. Terrorists world wide appeal to religious and ethnic groups for support. The politically only terrorist groups that sprung up in Europe at one time never grew into the evil large organizations like these others. IRA, ETA, all the Muslin terror groups all appeal to religion and ethnicity to stir up support and create conflict and divide.

What would be the reaction if someone blew up Muslim graves?

It was a Muslim grave.

The issue isn't about religion. It is about te fact that an independent state was occupied by the Thais, a foreign force, and the rights of the indigenous population were eroded and taken away by the Thai state. That doesn't justify violence but the root cause of the violence is not faith.

[AsiaGIJoe]

How evil, must be a new low-water mark even for terrorists.

This is typical behavior for terrorists. I've seen this type of action in the Middle East.

[EnglishJohn]

A very nice muslin action again.

Congratulation for these coward insects.

I guess the muslin nurses may cheer again as before ...

Nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with an insurgency by those who feel their country is occupied.

Doesn't make the actions of these scum any more justifiable, but let's keep the religious hate out of this.

Have you walked around the South ?. I have : around those village squares where the Muslim men sit around all day. And in a few villages as part of a charity group I was helping.

And you know what ?. Most of those people look and stare at you like you are a dog turd. Same when I've been in a fish restaurant in Bangkok.

It's all about religion. They don't want their country 'back' - they have all lived in Thailand since they were born. They want their own country which is Muslim which is a completely different thing to what you try to imply.

[NCC1701A]

[jaywalker]

A very nice muslin action again.

Congratulation for these coward insects.

I guess the muslin nurses may cheer again as before ...

Nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with an insurgency by those who feel their country is occupied.

Doesn't make the actions of these scum any more justifiable, but let's keep the religious hate out of this.

I'm sure the religious hate would not be present if they didn't identify themselves as "Muslim Separatists", and if (some) Muslims weren't the killers they are, that blatantly kill in the name of Islam.

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Here's an interesting bit of history.

---

At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim

pirates were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North

Atlantic.

They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews

for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to

barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their

government and family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors

demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the

Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers – collectively referred

to as the Barbary Coast – and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to

the new American Republic.

Before the Revolutionary War, American colony merchant ships had

been under the protection of Great Britain. When

the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the

United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America

had to protect its own fleets.

Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.

Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas

Jefferson became America’s Minister to France. That same

year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following

in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States

rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American

ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000.

It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was

vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he

proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who

together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested

Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with

Tripoli’s ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked

American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much

hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador

Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the

Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who

would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their

right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make

slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim)

who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of

premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many

notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving

in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following

fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for

the safe passage of American ships or the return of American

hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over

twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was

disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President

of the United States in 1801, the

Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus

$25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed

everything. Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he

could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared

war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately

followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against

America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having

watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thugery for long enough, decided that is was finally time to meet force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the

Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he

hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower

U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to “cause to be done all other acts of

precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify”.

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to

American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States

had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly

abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli

lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The

bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these

wars led to the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as “leathernecks”

for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from

being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing

in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

America had a tradition of religious tolerance, the

fact that Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute

for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the

world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose

holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was

unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday

this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United

States.

Any doubts, just google "Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World."

Edited December 14, 2015 by jaywalker

[DM07]

Wow! That is low!

R.I.P.

[simple1]

A very nice muslin action again.

Congratulation for these coward insects.

I guess the muslin nurses may cheer again as before ...

The deceased as well as the bombing victims were Muslim.

Ah - the old 'it's not about religion' line from the liberals who have turned this world into the mess it is today. This story will be forgotten quickly but if the Army kills one of them, we have hell to pay.

He was murdered because he betrayed his faith by helping the infidels.

100% about religion.

You would be 100% incorrect by solely blaming Islam, though as the conflict extends the risk more Islamic radicalisation will come into play.

Yeah you're right RTA and other Thai security agencies do contribute to the ongoing violence as clearly evidenced by arrests for corruption in the deep South for assisting smuggling gangs.

Possibly you might be interested in other reasons for the ongoing tit for tat violence that rarely makes the mainstream news.

https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-smoldering-thai-insurgency

.

[Enoon]

A very nice muslin action again.

Congratulation for these coward insects.

I guess the muslin nurses may cheer again as before ...

The deceased as well as the bombing victims were Muslim.

Ah - the old 'it's not about religion' line from the liberals who have turned this world into the mess it is today. This story will be forgotten quickly but if the Army kills one of them, we have hell to pay.

He was murdered because he betrayed his faith by helping the infidels.

100% about religion.

Ah, Juan Ingese, the old "it's all about religion" line, from the Daily Mail reading, semi-educated, simple minded bigot, who brought his lower middle class fascist prejudice (ready made) from the UK, all fixed up and ready to go.

These educated, articulate, professionals (and the author of the paper in the link that simple1 posted SheddenPapers12_120306_ConflictinThailand_Nurakkate.pdf (a buhddhist thai army officer) disagree with you.

Perhaps you could get a grownup to help you with the difficult words?

Marvin Ott, Ph.D., senior scholar with the Asia Program at the Woodrow Wilson International Center in Washington:

"commented that the insurgency is largely self-supporting – and that Malaysia wants no part of the movement, while offers of support from Al Qaeda have been rejected."

The Rand Corparation:

"Although many of the attacks currently being perpetrated in the three Malay provinces have a definite religious element, it is not apparent that this has altered the essential localized and nationalistic aspect of the conflict."

Lowy Institute for International Policy:

Thai identity is predicated on the shibboleth of nation, religion and king, Malay Muslims have struggled to embrace ‘Thainess’. In short, many Malay Muslims cling to a different nation (imagined notions of an earlier Patani nation), a different religion (Islam rather than Buddhism), and a xxxxxxxxx xxxx (a political identity to which the xxxxxx xxxxxxx is completely extraneous).

Time Online:

The southern conflict is fueled not by blind religious rage but by political and cultural alienation. Unlike the rest of Thailand, which is predominantly Buddhist and Thai-speaking, 80% of the 1.7 million who live in the southern provinces of Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat are Malay-speaking Muslims. Like the rest of the country, however, these far-flung provinces are governed by unelected life bureaucrats dispatched by the government in Bangkok. Many in the country’s deep south feel particularly estranged from the highly centralized political system, and their insurgency – fragmented, ill defined and shadowy – harbors wide and varied goals, from the largely improbable separatist call for an independent state to the more popularly espoused demand for greater autonomy in political and administrative affairs.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Enoon

[Bluespunk]

I would be interested to see an example of the British doing this........

Been done before, Philippines for the former and the latter, used in India by the British military.

Not sure about the cooking oil, sounds a bit sticky to me.

Part of the reasons behind the 1857 indian mutiny was the alleged use of pig or cow fat to grease bullets.

The true causes were more complex and deep rooted in social, religious and economic grievances caused by the actions of the british east india company.

Weren't those allegations spread deliberately to undermine the British native soldiers - whether Muslim or Hindu?

An example of insurgent terrorists exploiting religious beliefs.

I'm not sure who it was, but didn't one US commander order Muslim terrorists to be wrapped in pig skins?

It was a myth, but it was one that exploited already underlying tensions.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Bluespunk

[Jai Dee]

A number of hate posts, troll posts, and inflammatory posts and subsequent replies have been removed from this thread.

[Bluespunk]

A very nice muslin action again.

Congratulation for these coward insects.

I guess the muslin nurses may cheer again as before ...

Nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with an insurgency by those who feel their country is occupied.

Doesn't make the actions of these scum any more justifiable, but let's keep the religious hate out of this.

Have you walked around the South ?. I have : around those village squares where the Muslim men sit around all day. And in a few villages as part of a charity group I was helping.

And you know what ?. Most of those people look and stare at you like you are a dog turd. Same when I've been in a fish restaurant in Bangkok.

It's all about religion. They don't want their country 'back' - they have all lived in Thailand since they were born. They want their own country which is Muslim which is a completely different thing to what you try to imply.

The conflict in the south is not about faith, no matter how much you want it to be, it's not.

[hoffy66]

"Paramilitary Ranger" aka security contractor and mercenary hired by the Thai Military to conduct military operations to supplement Thai military manpower. They are often used in raids on muslim villages, mosques and schools searching for insurgents. They have unrestricted access to Thai military armories and are largely unaccountable for their actions. Their operations also provide the Thai millitary with deniability to any brutality.

It should not be a surprise that they put themselves and familiy at risk for retribution by insurgents.

I would like to know where you got that information from, it sounds as if you just made it up, show us some facts to support the rubbish you are spruking,,,,,, these people do a very good job, to help bring some comfort and support to the thai people who do live in these area's...

[F4UCorsair]

"Paramilitary Ranger" aka security contractor and mercenary hired by the Thai Military to conduct military operations to supplement Thai military manpower. They are often used inh raids on muslim villages, mosques and schools searching for insurgents. They have unrestricted access to Thai military armories and are largely unaccountable for their actions. Their operations also provide the Thai millitary with deniability to any brutality.

It should not be a surprise that they put themselves and familiy at risk for retribution by insurgents.

Please seek treatment.

[Travelman868]

"Paramilitary Ranger" aka security contractor and mercenary hired by the Thai Military to conduct military operations to supplement Thai military manpower. They are often used in raids on muslim villages, mosques and schools searching for insurgents. They have unrestricted access to Thai military armories and are largely unaccountable for their actions. Their operations also provide the Thai millitary with deniability to any brutality.

It should not be a surprise that they put themselves and familiy at risk for retribution by insurgents.

Are you suggesting that his mothers grave deserved to be desecrated ?

Of course the Terrorists are kind and human when they murder 9 year olds by cutting their heads off !!!!

Give them back the 4 province's, cut them off from Thailand. Repatriate all of their people living in other parts of the country then close the border.

Any bomb attacks treat as act of war. Anything less and they will carry on planting bombs

[Rimmer]

Some inflammatory posts including a racist slur and the reply to it have been removed

[Bruzzzz]

A very nice muslin action again.

Congratulation for these coward insects.

I guess the muslin nurses may cheer again as before ...

Nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with an insurgency by those who feel their country is occupied.

Doesn't make the actions of these scum any more justifiable, but let's keep the religious hate out of this.

I'm sure the religious hate would not be present if they didn't identify themselves as "Muslim Separatists", and if (some) Muslims weren't the killers they are, that blatantly kill in the name of Islam.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's an interesting bit of history.

---

At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim

pirates were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North

Atlantic.

They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews

for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to

barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their

government and family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors

demanded.

These extortionists of the high seas represented the

Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers – collectively referred

to as the Barbary Coast – and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to

the new American Republic.

Before the Revolutionary War, American colony merchant ships had

been under the protection of Great Britain. When

the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the

United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America

had to protect its own fleets.

Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.

Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas

Jefferson became America’s Minister to France. That same

year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following

in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States

rather than engaging them in war.

In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American

ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000.

It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was

vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he

proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who

together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested

Congress decided to pay the ransom.

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with

Tripoli’s ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked

American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much

hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.

The two future presidents reported that Ambassador

Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the

Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who

would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their

right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make

slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim)

who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."

Despite this stunning admission of

premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many

notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving

in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following

fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for

the safe passage of American ships or the return of American

hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over

twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.

Jefferson was

disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President

of the United States in 1801, the

Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus

$25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed

everything. Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he

could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared

war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately

followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against

America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having

watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thugery for long enough, decided that is was finally time to meet force with force.

He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the

Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he

hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower

U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to “cause to be done all other acts of

precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify”.

When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to

American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States

had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly

abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli

lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The

bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these

wars led to the line “to the shores of Tripoli” in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as “leathernecks”

for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from

being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.

Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing

in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.

America had a tradition of religious tolerance, the

fact that Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute

for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the

world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose

holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was

unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday

this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United

States.

Any doubts, just google "Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World."

Does the Quran say anything about tributes, extortion or taking ransoms from infidels?

[simple1]

Now not enforced by Islamic rulers, excepting Daesh.

Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

— Qur'an, ^{[Quran 9:29]}