Pheu Thai seeks probe into Abhisit's qualifications to sit as MP

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Pheu Thai seeks probe into Abhisit's qualifications to sit as MP
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Abhisit

BANGKOK: -- THE PHEU THAI Party’s acting deputy spokesman, Anusorn Aimsaard, yesterday called for an investigation into whether former prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva could be disqualified from holding a seat in the House of Representatives.

The call was based on Abhisit's removal three years ago from the Army reserve and the loss of his military rank.

On Tuesday, the Civil Court ruled that former defence minister Sukumpol Suwannathat's order in 2012 to removed Abhisit from the Army reserve was legal and justified. The court dismissed Abhisit's lawsuit requesting that it revoke the order.

Anusorn said the court had confirmed facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added.

He called for responsible agencies to consider whether Abhisit's dismissal from the military would disqualify him as an MP.

The Constitution Drafting Committee has stated that under the new charter, those who have been dismissed from government agencies would not be eligible as MP candidates.

In November 2012, Sukumpol discharged Abhisit from the Army's reserve retroactively and stripped him of his military rank, alleging that the former prime minister had not gone through the conscription process required by law.

Rather, the Democrat leader allegedly had used fake documents to apply for a job as a military lecturer in 1987, where he later received his Army sub-lieutenant rank.

A conscription officer from Nakhon Nayok had been discharged on the grounds of disciplinary violations after being involved in an alleged falsification of Abhisit’s military records to enable him to receive an appointment as lecturer at the Royal Chulachomklao Military Academy.

Also, Abhisit did not have the documents to show he had been exempted from conscription while studying abroad, the court said on Tuesday.

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Pheu-Thai-seeks-probe-into-Abhisits-qualifications-30275950.html


-- The Nation 2015-12-31

[waldroj]

No doubt Abhisit will appeal the decision of the Civil Court.

On the basis that the new charter could view this as grounds for him becoming ineligible (to be an MP), we could be about to witness the fastest appeals process in Thai legal history.

[Bluespunk]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

[trogers]

Pheu Thai should look internally for dubious university degree holders. I know of one who graduated from the US with English skilled at the level of a Nana employee...

[Eric Loh]

It will another exercise in futility as politicians like Ahbisit and Suthep are protected species and no harm will fall on them. I will add generals into this category too. Until Thailand has a honest and credible judiciary system, we can expect more of this injustice.

[trogers]

It will another exercise in futility as politicians like Ahbisit and Suthep are protected species and no harm will fall on them. I will add generals into this category too. Until Thailand has a honest and credible judiciary system, we can expect more of this injustice.

I agree, and that prominent case over a decade ago pointed out this fact - It's just an honest mistake!

[thelonius]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

[scorecard]

These right wing chickenhawks are the same the world over.

Always to eager to send others into battle but never brave enough to go themselves (or send their children)

In the US there is a whole generation of Republicans who skipped Vietnam and then where only to willing to send the next generation into the middle east quagmire.

The Yellows in Thailand certainly chose the right colour to cloak themselves in.

You might like to remember the skyed 'battle cry' from the paymaster from abroad during the 2010 events 'I'll be with you...' 'I'll personally lead you in the battle...' etc.

He never arrived, even when it got quite nasty with deaths.

By the way, were jatuporn, nattawut, arisman and a dozen more very vocal red/udd sprukers ever seen when it turned nasty? NO!

[JOC]

Dear Pheu Thai.

While you are at it: What about checking if is legal for a fugitive criminal to run the country via Skype using his sister as a clone !!

[Freed1948]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

Äs somebody once said: "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".

Reds beware!

[Srikcir]

There might be better causes to disqualify Abhisit that are less nefarious in nature:

- seemingly encouraged PDRC to prevent citizens from their constitutional right to vote

- refused constitutional mandate to vote in the February 2014 election

- seemingly encouraged PDRC actions aimed at overthrow of a constitutionally elected government

- abandoned his constitutional responsibilities as an MP in the House

A former MP who consistently disrespects the nation's constitution would hardly seem qualified as an MP candidate.

[ginjag]

There might be better causes to disqualify Abhisit that are less nefarious in nature:

- seemingly encouraged PDRC to prevent citizens from their constitutional right to vote

- refused constitutional mandate to vote in the February 2014 election

- seemingly encouraged PDRC actions aimed at overthrow of a constitutionally elected government

- abandoned his constitutional responsibilities as an MP in the House

A former MP who consistently disrespects the nation's constitution would hardly seem qualified as an MP candidate.

You may be on topic but what a statement as you condone all PTP and it's boss for their wrongs but jump in with both feet on this topic-----

You want me to give you a list of PTP non achievements ??? AND wrongs, The main reason for them not being in government-----

[TEFLKrabi]

There's nothing quite like mentioning the name "Abhisit" to wake up the red team in the morning.

[tuanku]

In November 2012, Sukumpol discharged Abhisit from the Army's reserve retroactively and stripped him of his military rank, alleging that the former prime minister had not gone through the conscription process required by law.

Rather, the Democrat leader allegedly had used fake documents to apply for a job as a military lecturer in 1987, where he later received his Army sub-lieutenant rank.

A conscription officer from Nakhon Nayok had been discharged on the grounds of disciplinary violations after being involved in an alleged falsification of Abhisit’s military records to enable him to receive an appointment as lecturer at the Royal Chulachomklao Military Academy.

Also, Abhisit did not have the documents to show he had been exempted from conscription while studying abroad, the court said on Tuesday.

The inner Thainess of Thailands most "international" politician comes back to bite him - classic

[Baerboxer]

Dear Pheu Thai.

While you are at it: What about checking if is legal for a fugitive criminal to run the country via Skype using his sister as a clone !!

They would've checked but didn't think the law, any law, applied to them. They were elected so could do anything they wanted - and boy did they try!

Wonder if someone will see if illegally issuing a passport to your criminal cousin and ignoring the Ombudsman's repeated questions about it also might lead to impeachment?

[Baerboxer]

There might be better causes to disqualify Abhisit that are less nefarious in nature:

- seemingly encouraged PDRC to prevent citizens from their constitutional right to vote

- refused constitutional mandate to vote in the February 2014 election

- seemingly encouraged PDRC actions aimed at overthrow of a constitutionally elected government

- abandoned his constitutional responsibilities as an MP in the House

A former MP who consistently disrespects the nation's constitution would hardly seem qualified as an MP candidate.

You may be on topic but what a statement as you condone all PTP and it's boss for their wrongs but jump in with both feet on this topic-----

You want me to give you a list of PTP non achievements ??? AND wrongs, The main reason for them not being in government-----

He thinks it's ok for PTP to disrespect the law and the constitution - they "were elected by the "majority" of the people so could do anything they want - even try and grant an outrageous amnesty to a known criminal fugitive by sneaking it through and not following process. All the will of the people.

[scorecard]

There's nothing quite like mentioning the name "Abhisit" to wake up the red team in the morning.

And especially mentioning 'abhisit' to the red masses who have attended numerous mass (rent a crowd) rallies / attended the compulsory red 'democracy' schools (using doctored tapes) where 'hate abhsisit' was the main item on the agenda, repeated infinitum.

[Bluespunk]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

He's a politician so of course he lies. It's what they do.

However, it is complete and utter BS when PT say it is not political persecution.

That's all it is and it's what PT spent a lot of time during their reign as the lords and ladies of misrule doing.

[Bluespunk]

There might be better causes to disqualify Abhisit that are less nefarious in nature:

- seemingly encouraged PDRC to prevent citizens from their constitutional right to vote

- refused constitutional mandate to vote in the February 2014 election

- seemingly encouraged PDRC actions aimed at overthrow of a constitutionally elected government

- abandoned his constitutional responsibilities as an MP in the House

A former MP who consistently disrespects the nation's constitution would hardly seem qualified as an MP candidate.

Yeah, right.

[thelonius]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

He's a politician so of course he lies. It's what they do.

However, it is complete and utter BS when PT say it is not political persecution.

That's all it is and it's what PT spent a lot of time during their reign as the lords and ladies of misrule doing.

So let me get this straight, a Prime Minister, whose qualification to be so, is questioned by the opposition party at the time (in 2010), denies that he lied and in fact launches a lawsuit against the former Defence Minister for stripping him (abhisit) of his military rank), a lawsuit which finally in 2015 proved that abhisit did lie, falsify documents and therefore, by the laws of the land not be eligible to become an MP, let alone a Prime Minister, and that is political persecution?

I'm sorry, investigating these events now that the truth is out, is, as Anusorn said, an honest legal procedure.

Just because you don't like the messenger it doesn't make the message any less valid.

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

Pheu Thai should look internally for dubious university degree holders. I know of one who graduated from the US with English skilled at the level of a Nana employee...

And she also got her position from "erection"

[Artisi]

As Thailand ever so slowly edges towards elections, seems Phue Thai might be concerned that someone might become a problem when elections are finally called........

[Basil B]

Getting like America where the the Republicans keep calling for the removal from office of Democrats using petty arguments, gets like a broken record after a time.

[Brokeback hill]

No one likes a draft dodger. Reenlist the son of a gun.

[Bluespunk]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

He's a politician so of course he lies. It's what they do.

However, it is complete and utter BS when PT say it is not political persecution.

That's all it is and it's what PT spent a lot of time during their reign as the lords and ladies of misrule doing.

So let me get this straight, a Prime Minister, whose qualification to be so, is questioned by the opposition party at the time (in 2010), denies that he lied and in fact launches a lawsuit against the former Defence Minister for stripping him (abhisit) of his military rank), a lawsuit which finally in 2015 proved that abhisit did lie, falsify documents and therefore, by the laws of the land not be eligible to become an MP, let alone a Prime Minister, and that is political persecution?

I'm sorry, investigating these events now that the truth is out, is, as Anusorn said, an honest legal procedure.

Just because you don't like the messenger it doesn't make the message any less valid.

I don't like the messenger because their message is a lie, and, as it is a lie they created, they are not in fact a messenger but rather the liar themselves.

P.S. I am not saying what they say about Abhisit is a fabrication, rather their motives for pursuing him over it.

[ianf]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

I do hope someone prosecutes you for these gross libels.

[candide]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

He's a politician so of course he lies. It's what they do.

However, it is complete and utter BS when PT say it is not political persecution.

That's all it is and it's what PT spent a lot of time during their reign as the lords and ladies of misrule doing.

So let me get this straight, a Prime Minister, whose qualification to be so, is questioned by the opposition party at the time (in 2010), denies that he lied and in fact launches a lawsuit against the former Defence Minister for stripping him (abhisit) of his military rank), a lawsuit which finally in 2015 proved that abhisit did lie, falsify documents and therefore, by the laws of the land not be eligible to become an MP, let alone a Prime Minister, and that is political persecution?

I'm sorry, investigating these events now that the truth is out, is, as Anusorn said, an honest legal procedure.

Just because you don't like the messenger it doesn't make the message any less valid.

I don't like the messenger because their message is a lie, and, as it is a lie they created, they are not in fact a messenger but rather the liar themselves.

P.S. I am not saying what they say about Abhisit is a fabrication, rather their motives for pursuing him over it.

What's shocking about it? The dems and their allies have launched plenty of procedures (or attempted to) for exactly the same motives as the PTP does now.

[EnglishJohn]

I say they should have a relevant expert interview every politician to verify they are actually educated in the qualification they posses.

I wonder how many would pass.

[Bluespunk]

"facts discussed and presented by members of Pheu Thai, and the now-defunct People Power Party, about Abhisit's embattled military records. It was not political persecution but an honest legal procedure, he added."

Yeah, sure it is...

Well to be honest (something that abhisit is incapable of being) abhisit is frequently portrayed as the paragon of virtue in Thai politics. This proves the lie, literally. Of course it's political, but it's not persecution - the guy lied and falsified a document to exempt himself from conscription. The guy lied about a red notice for arrest of Thaksin from Interpol, he lied about ordering Veera to cross the Cambodian Border in a stunt to stir up Nationalistic feelings when he needed it, and don't get me started on his actions in 2010.

So it's anything but persecution, the guy is an habitual liar, yes, no different from most Thai politicians I'm sure, but that is the point. He is not virtuous despite all attempts to say the opposite. It is continually rammed home on here that the PTP have to abide by the law - well it's about time some of that law is spread around, although, as has been seen in the very recent past, abhisit and suthep are not regarded as the Teflon Dons of Thai politics for nothing

He's a politician so of course he lies. It's what they do.

However, it is complete and utter BS when PT say it is not political persecution.

That's all it is and it's what PT spent a lot of time during their reign as the lords and ladies of misrule doing.

So let me get this straight, a Prime Minister, whose qualification to be so, is questioned by the opposition party at the time (in 2010), denies that he lied and in fact launches a lawsuit against the former Defence Minister for stripping him (abhisit) of his military rank), a lawsuit which finally in 2015 proved that abhisit did lie, falsify documents and therefore, by the laws of the land not be eligible to become an MP, let alone a Prime Minister, and that is political persecution?

I'm sorry, investigating these events now that the truth is out, is, as Anusorn said, an honest legal procedure.

Just because you don't like the messenger it doesn't make the message any less valid.

I don't like the messenger because their message is a lie, and, as it is a lie they created, they are not in fact a messenger but rather the liar themselves.

P.S. I am not saying what they say about Abhisit is a fabrication, rather their motives for pursuing him over it.

What's shocking about it? The dems and their allies have launched plenty of procedures (or attempted to) for exactly the same motives as the PTP now.

Never said they didn't.

[sanukjim]

Remembering that Abhisit was found out to be lying about his military service when he had never been at all.