Sister of murdered backpacker Hannah Witheridge receives death threats

[TheLobster]

Reading reports that 297 Thai court and Justice websites have been attacked by Anonymous..

There was a big thread on <rule 1 of the interwebz prevents me from mentioning the name> .

This ain't going away.

Anonymous are also claiming to have pictures that prove that Luke Miller's death was 'more than just a drowning'

where did you read this TheLobster?

Facebook weareanonymous, shouldn't be difficult to find but pm me if you can't find the relevant post.

[IslandLover]

Darkknight666, on 12 Jan 2016 - 11:55, said:

CantSpell, on 12 Jan 2016 - 11:39, said:

realenglish1, on 12 Jan 2016 - 11:06, said:

This should be a fine example of how Thai police view Foreigners in Thailand and Although I cannot say with certainty that they did in fact say this. Based on my experience here in Thailand I would say it is not beyond the realm of belief

Aye and neither are the death threats and the pictures been sent to her... not beyond belief at all...

And she is just a victim, sister of the actual victim...

Not surprise the arm of some big boys could reach UK easily...

Many people can be bought and not only in Thailand...

Now, considering the above, and reflecting on another potential actor (in the full meaning of the term) in this case...

Could be a very good explanation about the silence and the hiding of Sean McAnna.

Via Sean's Facebook page you can find where his mother works quite easily, A threat against her or Sean himself would certainly terrify a person especially if you've seen a bit of their handy work. The threats are sop for these types of animals. So I would take them seriously as I'm sure those concerned are.

Good luck in trying to find Sean's facebook page now. Last time I heard, he was calling himself Sean McHaggis and even that page has been locked down after Anonymous traced him.

Edited January 13, 2016 by IslandLover

[IslandLover]

asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:13, said:asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:13, said:

asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 13:58, said:asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 13:58, said:

KunMatt, on 12 Jan 2016 - 12:12, said:KunMatt, on 12 Jan 2016 - 12:12, said:

Here is the comment from Laura, next time read the thread properly before you out yourself again; "I reported them. Like I reported the crime scene photos being sent to me. UK police logged into my Facebook and made them disappear but no one was ever punished or held accountable for any of it... as with all of it, it was swept under the rug. "

Okay I'll give you that one. Indeed a reply to a comment on her post.

In the meantime can someone give me an answer as to why that whole part about those insensitive comments from the RTP has been deleted from her original facebook posting?

Because she's been lent on, firstly by the U.K. Foreign Office, and secondly by more online abuse.

Edited January 13, 2016 by IslandLover

[IslandLover]

asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:37, said:asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:37, said:

KunMatt, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:24, said:KunMatt, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:24, said:

asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:13, said:asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:13, said:

In the meantime can someone give me an answer as to why that whole part about those insensitive comments from the RTP has been deleted from her original facebook posting?

Why don't you ask her instead of asking strangers to speculate over and over?

You disappoint me, normally you are always so observant. Half of the posts on this thread are about those comments that the RTP had supposedly made in court. And all reports in the UK media are based on Laura's facebook posting (and indeed that one reply to a comment that I had overlooked). The Guardian tried to make a nice spin that Hannah believed that the B2 could not have done it as the threats she received came from Thais.

I believe that she is being advised what to post and what not to post. I see a conspiracy at work here and I have an idea of who these advisers are. Hint: females.

Over to you.

I see a conspiracy at work here and I have an idea of who these advisers are. Hint: females.

Your misogyny is really coming to the fore now.

And just to correct some errors in your post above, 1) It was the court officials and judges who made those comments to the Witheridge family during the trial, not the RTP per se and 2) The Guardian article quotes Laura Witheridge, not Hannah. Hannah is dead.

I will say this once more. Laura Witheridge was lent on the British Foreign Office which is why she amended (i.e. toned down) her original facebook post. That post has now been removed completely because of further online abuse she has received.

So, in your opinion, this is all the work of "females". I despair at the human race sometimes.

Edited January 13, 2016 by IslandLover

[catsanddogs]

asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:37, said:asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:37, said:

KunMatt, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:24, said:KunMatt, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:24, said:

asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:13, said:asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:13, said:

In the meantime can someone give me an answer as to why that whole part about those insensitive comments from the RTP has been deleted from her original facebook posting?

Why don't you ask her instead of asking strangers to speculate over and over?

You disappoint me, normally you are always so observant. Half of the posts on this thread are about those comments that the RTP had supposedly made in court. And all reports in the UK media are based on Laura's facebook posting (and indeed that one reply to a comment that I had overlooked). The Guardian tried to make a nice spin that Hannah believed that the B2 could not have done it as the threats she received came from Thais.

I believe that she is being advised what to post and what not to post. I see a conspiracy at work here and I have an idea of who these advisers are. Hint: females.

Over to you.

I see a conspiracy at work here and I have an idea of who these advisers are. Hint: females.

Your misogyny is really coming to the fore now.

And just to correct some errors in your post above, 1) It was the court officials and judges who made those comments to the Witheridge family during the trial, not the RTP per se and 2) The Guardian article quotes Laura Witheridge, not Hannah. Hannah is dead.

I will say this once more. Laura Witheridge was lent on the British Foreign Office which is why she amended (i.e. toned down) her original facebook post. That post has now been removed completely because of further online abuse she has received.

So, in your opinion, this is all the work of "females". I despair at the human race sometimes.

For clarification if needed

Top Definition. Misogynist ... Misogynists hate and discriminate against women, but they still like &lt;deleted&gt;****g them. URBAN DICTIONARY

[Squeegee]

What strikes me about RTP contemplating a law suit against Laura is that they immediatly dismiss her claims. Its as if the RTP could never be capable of such actions. Why not investigate the police chief who she said took money from the media, investigate what was alledgedly said to her and her family by the judges. The defamation laws in Thailand seem to used to silence people. We have seen it with Andy Hall and the pinapple company, Andrew Drummond with fraudsters, an academic whos name escapes me for plagiarism and countless others. In all these cases the law was used in retaliation by wrongdoers to silence their critics and stop them revealing criminal activity.Now the police are using the same tactic.

Quite frankly, after everything going back decades this kind of behaviour is nothing less than unsurprising for a third world banana state masquerading as a civilized country, but for such authorities to apparently openly suggest they might sue Laura really goes to show how despicable the United Kingdom is in consistently abandoning its own citizens to appease trade opportunities with a foreign country that regularly kills its citizens.

The Thai police are the Thai police, so it's like complaining about a dog lifting its leg to pee, but the British government is something else entirely, least of all essentially harbouring criminal activity against its own people in far away places.

It's great that Anonymous are weighing in on what's gone on for decades in Thailand on a weekly, almost daily basis, but it's not just a bunch of questionable officials from a third world country who need to be exposed, the most guilty party to my mind is the UK government for not warning people sufficiently about the Land Of Rape, Theft And Murder.

[Khun Han]

Have you read Andy Hall's translation of the court proceedings? because I have. Now why don't you take the time to read this and then come back to me with your views on whether she was 'gang' raped (how they describe it), or not.

I don't think that the defence team would deny the fact that she was viciously raped!! The B2's DNA in the form of semen was found in both orifices of Hannah before she was bludgeoned to death by them.

I read the entire report, I see many things that the defense reported to the public were not true.

Example, we all remember all the brouhaha over the UK coroner finding no lesions indicating rape, according to Andy Hall, right?:

Here's the judge citing the UK autopsy as being consistent with the Thai autopsy:

"Police Colonel Dr Pawut, M.D, testified that there was a tear to the Second Deceased’s vulva, which is consistent with the report of the second victim’s autopsy in the United Kingdom in Document Lor. 31 (page 21)"

And what came of the media stunt of taking the DNA samples from the two defendants at the courtroom?

"Moreover, the two defendants did not provide their DNA test results which were sent for a retest by the Forensic Institute to support their defense during the witness cross-examination stage."

How about the often repeated talking point that the testimony of Dr. Pornthip's analysis of the hoe proved the two had nothing to do with the murder?:

"Even though the report of the results of the DNA tests conducted by the Institute of Forensic Science according to Document number Lor. 29 summarises the results and conclusions of the examination that the DNA of the two Defendants did not match the mixed DNA of a male found on the exhibited hoe, this is not signicicant or inconsistent because the mixed DNA of a male that was found on the hoe matched the DNA of the First Deceased. In this case, and based on the evidence given by the witness for the Plaintiff, Mr O, it transpires that Mr O was the person who regularly used the exhibited hoe and even after the crime has been committed Mr O continued to use the exhibited hoe before it was sent off for examination. However, there was no examination for a match with the DNA of Mr O. With regard to the reason for not finding a match with the DNA of the Offenders on the exhibited hoe, Khunying Pornthip M.D. explained that there could be many reasons for this, such as whether the hands are dry or sweaty which affects whether or not DNA is left on an object, or if the offenders had been wearing gloves or had put a cloth around the handle of the hoe or even if the handle of the exhibited hoe had been washed"

Or repeating that the phone was "allegedly" David Miller's:

"As for the charges brought against the Second Defendant for theft at night, the witness for the Plaintiff Mr Aung Li Zaw or Ren Ren testified that only a few hours after the crime had taken place the Second Defendant took the exhibited mobile phone to the witness, claiming that a foreigner had left it behind at the bar. Apart from this, Police Colonel Prachum Rueangthong, witness for the Plaintiff, similarly testified that after he had been informed by police officers that the Second Defendant had confessed to having taken the mobile phone and sunglasses of the First Deceased to his friend named Mr Ren Ren, the witness and his colleagues therefore went to question Mr Ren Ren and were able to seize the mobile phone belonging to the First Deceased as an exhibit. In relation to the information gathered in connection with this, the witness for the Plaintiff, Police Lieutenant Colonel Natthaphong Romsai, the officer responsible for questioning the Second Defendant and Police Lieutenant Colonel Thanongsak Aksornsom, the investigating officer of the informant and who also joined in the questioning of the Second Defendant, and Mr Phitthaya Yophetch, the lawyer who attended the interrogation of both Defendants that took place on 3 October 2014, has testified consistently in Court that the Second Defendant confessed to the fact that after having attacked and raped the Second Deceased then the Second Defendant took the mobile phone and the sunglasses belonging to the First Deceased. The witness statements for the Plaintiff in this regard all testify to the facts that they have seen and learned and the witnesses for the Plaintiff had no reason to be biased against the Defendants. It would therefore have been difficult for the police officers to undertaken the investigations and made the seizure of evidence that they did without having had the information from the prior supporting witness statements. After having seized exhibited evidence, the police officers immediately investigated the exhibited mobile phone and the Plaintiff’s witness testified to confirm as to Evidence Document number Jor 30 that the identification number or IMEI of the exhibited mobile phone matched the number of the mobile phone of the First Deceased. Moreover, Document Jor 77 obtained from the father of the First Deceased made this factual issue more sound and credible. In this regards, the Second Defendant are unable to present any evidence at all to contradict this matter. The evidence brought by the Plaintiff is therefore credible and supports beyond doubts that the exhibited mobile phone is definitely that of the First Deceased."

On the topic of lies and phones, repeating from the above:

"the witness for the Plaintiff Mr Aung Li Zaw or Ren Ren testified that only a few hours after the crime had taken place the Second Defendant took the exhibited mobile phone to the witness, claiming that a foreigner had left it behind at the bar."

This is from their own alibi:

"The Second Defendant then returned to look for his lost items because the shirt that was misplaced belonged to Mr Mau Mau, who had exchanged the shirt [with him] earlier, while they were drinking beer. Also, he needed his shoes to wear for work. Nevertheless, the Second Defendant did not find such items. Upon his return to Mr Mau Mau’s house, he found a mobile phone dropped on the beach between AC2 Shop and Maya Bar, so he kept it. The Second Defendant met Mr Mau Mau before he reached the house, so he told Mr Mau Mau about the misplaced shirt. Both the Second Defendant and Mr Mau Mau arrived home at about 4 am.

The two Defendants slept at Mr Mau Mau’s house until the morning. When they got up, they did not see Mr. Mau Mau. The First Defendant saw a motorcycle key by the side of his head, so he drove and dropped the Second Defendant at the Second Defendant’s house and rode back to his house at Moo Baan Chalok Kao village. At about 8 am, the Second Defendant showed Mr Ren Ren the mobile phone he had retrieved and told him that he had found it at the restaurant. The Second Defendant tried to turn the mobile phone on but he could not because he did not have the passcode. Then, he left the mobile phone to be recharged at Mr Ren Ren’s house. After the murder news in Koh Tao spread, the Second Defendant told the truth to Mr Ren Ren that he found the mobile phone near where the incident had happened. Then, the Second Defendant slept over at the First Defendant’s house and returned to Mr Ren Ren’s house again to ask about the phone. Mr Ren Ren said he had smashed and destroyed the phone and thrown it away because he did not want to be implicated in the crime. The Second Defendant was disinterested and did not ask further."

Before the news about the murders spread Wei Phyo lied to his friend about where he had "found" the phone, and after the news spread his friend destroyed the phone because he feared being implicated in the crime.

His own alibi all but admits that he lied for no other apparent reason than to conceal the origin of the victim's phone.

What else?:

"Next, the translator told him that the Second Defendant had been arrested and that the First Defendant could talk to him on the phone. The Second Defendant said he had been severely beaten until he had almost been killed."

"In regard to the bruises that the defendants claimed to be discovered by a doctor, it is still unclear as to when they could have occurred or by whom they were caused. According to the witness examination by the Plaintiff, following the interrogation of both the Defendants the Investigating Officers arranged for Dr Chasit to examine the Defendants as evidence and Dr Chasit testified in this Court as a witness for the Plaintiff, confirming that, based on his examination of both the Defendants, there was no evidence of bruising, that their pulses were normal and that the general health of the Defendants was in the normal range. Upon consideration of the Witness statement and the photographs taken during the examination of the Defendants conducted by Dr Chasit in Evidence Document Jor 68 it can be seen that both Defendants appeared normal and showed no traces of having been assaulted as claimed."

So was beaten nearly to death, and the photographs show nothing?

The judges claimed that the DNA evidence met international standards .

[TheLobster]

I've seen several "I've read the report posts" They are based on what many consider to to an unfair and biased trial.

Andy Hall is a clever guy and would not play his hand to point out the errors. This will be done at the next stage.

Rules of Engagement here:

Do not quote trolls/shills

Do not reply to trolls/shills just state what you are arguing against

Do not assume that everyone that likes your post is a supporter of truth and justice

Understand that a major ploy is misdirection in some posts

Understand there is no evidence of a murder having been committed by the B2 which leads to the question why a death sentence?

Be patient wait for the DNA evidence to be scrutinised

[JLCrab]

farcanell, on 12 Jan 2016 - 11:36, said:

Cyber bullying (or stalking) is a growing trend.

These people are dispicable... And words simply fail me to describe the type of person attacking this poor woman, after what she'sshe and the families have been thru... Psychotic, perhaps.

One would have thought " only in Hollywood".

I read the other day, in a different thread ( maybe regarding a vehicular accident) that if compensation is accepted, then suing for a larger amount at a later date cannot be done... So the offer of compensation, if that poster was correct, seems in line with Thai thinking

If this threat, or line of stalking, were against a person of consequence (member of parliament or nobility, for example) it would indeed be tracked down to its source... After all, the Brits probably have some of the most sophisticated electronics and cyber tools at their disposal ( not meaning to debegrate the NSA etc,) , but using them costs money

This is such a sad and bad story that it beggars belief... And the old adage " time heals"' just doesn't cut it!

I read the other day, in a different thread ( maybe regarding a vehicular accident) that if compensation is accepted, then suing for a larger amount at a later date cannot be done... So the offer of compensation, if that poster was correct, seems in line with Thai thinking

This is common with insurance companies, also in Europe, and probably worldwide. The "compensation" Laura Witheridge is referring to is something entirely different. I call it "blood money" (something which is very common in Middle-Eastern countries).

It may also be called "Travel expenses".

[JLCrab]

People have to remember that the Headman and family are worth hundreds of millions of dollars/pounds not baht! That sort of power buys a lot of friends

Bloody hell that's serious money, where did you see that?

There are hotels properties on Koh Samui worth more than that .

Are there really? I've only been to Samui once so I'm not familiar with such decadence, as I stayed in Taaling Nam. Maybe you could give us a few examples, by name and value. Strangely, I seem to remember someone using the same analogy (comparison using Samui hotels) on a previous KT thread. Might even have been you!

There are hotel properties currently publicly listed for sale in the USD $70 million range -- I compared those to much larger 5 star resorts.

[Kiwisailor]

Over 1200 members now on the "Justice for Luke page"

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1695729067325810/

There is a link through to the Anonymous page part way through

[TheLobster]

There are hotel properties currently publicly listed for sale in the USD $70 million range -- I compared those to much larger 5 star resorts.

People have to remember that the Headman and family are worth hundreds of millions of dollars/pounds not baht! That sort of power buys a lot of friends

Bloody hell that's serious money, where did you see that?

There are hotels properties on Koh Samui worth more than that .

Property prices here or there are irrelevant this is all misdirection.

Refer to my previous post

[JLCrab]

There are hotel properties currently publicly listed for sale in the USD $70 million range -- I compared those to much larger 5 star resorts.

People have to remember that the Headman and family are worth hundreds of millions of dollars/pounds not baht! That sort of power buys a lot of friends

Bloody hell that's serious money, where did you see that?

There are hotels properties on Koh Samui worth more than that .

Property prices here or there are irrelevant this is all misdirection.

Refer to my previous post

What is mis-direction is the repeated over-estimation of the financial resources and of the clout ex-Koh Tao of just one of the five Koh Tao families.

[seedy]

one Troll / Flaming post - and quoted replies - hidden

Keep it Civil please

[catsanddogs]

Maybe Hannah's sister could strike a deal with the RTP

- RTP hand over her sisters clothes that she was found murdered in that were lost following her autopsy in Thailand (then they could be independently tested for DNA).

-hand over footage from the AC bar on the morning of the murders so she could see her sisters last movements (who she was with, if she was involved in some sort of argument, who she was hanging around with before she was murdered).

- hand over copies of the statements from the 'friends'.

- hand over details of who took photographs of the crime scene before the police arrived and who uploaded them to the web.

- hand over details/contacts of two French women who gave statements to the police who said they heard the crime

- hand over documentation of phone calls made on the morning of 15.9.14 by anyone and everyone who has been a suspect.

etc etc

Hannah's sister in return may then choose to enlighten Police General Chakthio Chaijinda and his brigade as to what she has told the world what she has - and why she has told it. But you must give her some slack if she names names and then retracts them for reasons known only to herself - like the police, yes? Maybe Mr Pancake could provide translation?

Edited January 13, 2016 by catsanddogs

[Eirene]

Suing for defamation seems to be Police General Chakthio Chaijinda's response to anyone that tries to damage the image that Thailand is a wonderful country with no corruption.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/opinion/Kneejerk-reaction-from-police-chief-is-the-WRONG-R-30274791.html

[seahorse]

Reading reports that 297 Thai court and Justice websites have been attacked by Anonymous..

There was a big thread on <rule 1 of the interwebz prevents me from mentioning the name> .

This ain't going away.

Anonymous are also claiming to have pictures that prove that Luke Miller's death was 'more than just a drowning'

where did you read this TheLobster?

Facebook weareanonymous, shouldn't be difficult to find but pm me if you can't find the relevant post.

They said

"#‎Anonymous‬ are awaiting photos that will show just how much corruption and lies by the Thai police on the Island of Koh Tao exist. Our picture will clearly show it was more than just a drowning......We are awaiting pictures the Thai police do not know were taken."

so they actually "have" nothing...at the moment. I hope they produce some evidence to back up their claims.

[seahorse]

What strikes me about RTP contemplating a law suit against Laura is that they immediatly dismiss her claims. Its as if the RTP could never be capable of such actions. Why not investigate the police chief who she said took money from the media, investigate what was alledgedly said to her and her family by the judges. The defamation laws in Thailand seem to used to silence people. We have seen it with Andy Hall and the pinapple company, Andrew Drummond with fraudsters, an academic whos name escapes me for plagiarism and countless others. In all these cases the law was used in retaliation by wrongdoers to silence their critics and stop them revealing criminal activity.Now the police are using the same tactic.

Quite frankly, after everything going back decades this kind of behaviour is nothing less than unsurprising for a third world banana state masquerading as a civilized country, but for such authorities to apparently openly suggest they might sue Laura really goes to show how despicable the United Kingdom is in consistently abandoning its own citizens to appease trade opportunities with a foreign country that regularly kills its citizens.

The Thai police are the Thai police, so it's like complaining about a dog lifting its leg to pee, but the British government is something else entirely, least of all essentially harbouring criminal activity against its own people in far away places.

It's great that Anonymous are weighing in on what's gone on for decades in Thailand on a weekly, almost daily basis, but it's not just a bunch of questionable officials from a third world country who need to be exposed, the most guilty party to my mind is the UK government for not warning people sufficiently about the Land Of Rape, Theft And Murder.

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/thailand/safety-and-security

Violent sexual assaults and robberies against both men and women are reported regularly in the Koh Samui archipelago and Krabi province. These are particularly common during the monthly Full Moon parties and generally occur late at night near bars.

[seahorse]

What strikes me about RTP contemplating a law suit against Laura is that they immediatly dismiss her claims. Its as if the RTP could never be capable of such actions. Why not investigate the police chief who she said took money from the media, investigate what was alledgedly said to her and her family by the judges. The defamation laws in Thailand seem to used to silence people. We have seen it with Andy Hall and the pinapple company, Andrew Drummond with fraudsters, an academic whos name escapes me for plagiarism and countless others. In all these cases the law was used in retaliation by wrongdoers to silence their critics and stop them revealing criminal activity.Now the police are using the same tactic.

I think I read somewhere that a person can be charged with defamation even if what they claimed was actually true...

I hope that they go ahead with this ridiculous threat. It will only bring their lies and deceit to a wider audience.

[Nigeone]

Reading reports that 297 Thai court and Justice websites have been attacked by Anonymous..

There was a big thread on <rule 1 of the interwebz prevents me from mentioning the name> .

This ain't going away.

Anonymous are also claiming to have pictures that prove that Luke Miller's death was 'more than just a drowning'

where did you read this TheLobster?

Facebook weareanonymous, shouldn't be difficult to find but pm me if you can't find the relevant post.

They said

"#‎Anonymous are awaiting photos that will show just how much corruption and lies by the Thai police on the Island of Koh Tao exist. Our picture will clearly show it was more than just a drowning......We are awaiting pictures the Thai police do not know were taken."

so they actually "have" nothing...at the moment. I hope they produce some evidence to back up their claims.

They will !!

[Dogmatix]

I see the police chief has asked a legal committee to investigate whether Laura's FB post contravened any Thai laws and will file charges against her, if the committee decides that it did.

It is understandable that he should be upset about because he was made personally in charge of the investigation after the former commander of Police Region 8, Pol Lt Gen Panya Mamen, was promoted to an inactive post soon after he announced he was planning to arrest the headman's son. Police Chief, Pol Gen Chakthip, who was then commander of the Bangkok Metropolitan Police Bureau, which got a sudden extension of its territory, managed to get the investigation back on track quickly and within days the two convicts were arrested, confessed and police finished their one page handwritten DNA match with semen samples found in the body of Laura's late sister, who may not have been sexually assaulted according what little has been revealed from the independent Home Office pathologist's report. Who wouldn't be offended at receiving such an unpleasant brickbat for such a perfect job which even drew praise from Thailand's prime minister?

Hopefully Pol Gen Chakthip will be man enough to defend his personal honour and the hard earned reputation of the Royal Thai Police with lawsuits for criminal defamation and offences under the Computer Crimes Act against the grieving sister of the deceased. Undoubtedly lawyers hired by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will be able to secure her extradition to Thailand through the English courts after many years of enjoyable visits to Harrods, since the British government has showed such solidarity with the Royal Thai Police over its superb investigation of the deaths of its citizens and Laura will eventually face many years in Lard Yao women's prison, where the toms will just love her. In fact he probably won't have to wait that long. Since Laura expressed such deep affection for Thailand, she probably won't be able to resist coming on another wonderful holiday to LOS to enjoy the wonderful hospitality of Thai people and public officials.

Laura's arrest and incarceration would undoubtedly be the coup of the century for the Tourist Authority of Thailand - streaks ahead their obviously fake James video. .

Edited January 14, 2016 by Dogmatix

[asiamaster]

asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:37, said:asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:37, said:

KunMatt, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:24, said:KunMatt, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:24, said:

asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:13, said:asiamaster, on 12 Jan 2016 - 14:13, said:

In the meantime can someone give me an answer as to why that whole part about those insensitive comments from the RTP has been deleted from her original facebook posting?

Why don't you ask her instead of asking strangers to speculate over and over?

You disappoint me, normally you are always so observant. Half of the posts on this thread are about those comments that the RTP had supposedly made in court. And all reports in the UK media are based on Laura's facebook posting (and indeed that one reply to a comment that I had overlooked). The Guardian tried to make a nice spin that Hannah believed that the B2 could not have done it as the threats she received came from Thais.

I believe that she is being advised what to post and what not to post. I see a conspiracy at work here and I have an idea of who these advisers are. Hint: females.

Over to you.

I see a conspiracy at work here and I have an idea of who these advisers are. Hint: females.

Your misogyny is really coming to the fore now.

And just to correct some errors in your post above, 1) It was the court officials and judges who made those comments to the Witheridge family during the trial, not the RTP per se and 2) The Guardian article quotes Laura Witheridge, not Hannah. Hannah is dead.

I will say this once more. Laura Witheridge was lent on the British Foreign Office which is why she amended (i.e. toned down) her original facebook post. That post has now been removed completely because of further online abuse she has received.

So, in your opinion, this is all the work of "females". I despair at the human race sometimes.

Females are very observant.....

[asiamaster]

roo860, on 12 Jan 2016 - 11:52, said:

Would have thought if someone was going to say they'd been chased, they would also say it had been reported to the police.

But that's my own thoughts.

It was reported to the police. This was confirmed in the comments under Laura's original facebook post which has now been removed because more online threats have been received. It's just sick

How do you know that more online threats have been received? Have you been talking to someone?

[AleG]

I've seen several "I've read the report posts" They are based on what many consider to to an unfair and biased trial.

Andy Hall is a clever guy and would not play his hand to point out the errors. This will be done at the next stage.

Rules of Engagement here:

Do not quote trolls/shills

Do not reply to trolls/shills just state what you are arguing against

Do not assume that everyone that likes your post is a supporter of truth and justice

Understand that a major ploy is misdirection in some posts

Understand there is no evidence of a murder having been committed by the B2 which leads to the question why a death sentence?

Be patient wait for the DNA evidence to be scrutinised

You seem rather desperate to keep people from learning about the facts of the case.

As for Andy Hall, this is from the report you rather ignore:

"Mr Andrew Jonathan Hall or Andy Hall to testify on the autopsy report of the Second Deceased in Document Lor. 31, claiming that the autopsy report at the United Kingdom did not indicate an abrasive tear on the perineum from the vulva to the anus of the Second Deceased. Mr Andrew also hired an expert from the United Kingdom to conduct a gait analysis of a suspect from CCTV images, comparing that suspect to the second defendant’s motion appeared on the video footage on the date of the incident. The result of the gait analysis provided in Document Lor. 47 indicated that the second defendant was not the same man as the suspect. It is found that this witness did not learn the factual issues or was not directly involved with the case, nor is he an expert on autopsy and the analysis of the two reports. Additionally, the witness is merely the coordinator and recipient of the said reports. Almost all of the facts in the testimony are his personal opinions. His testimony constitutes hearsay evidence because he only refutes what has been written in the reports or claims that an expert has informed him of such information. Unless a relevant expert can testify before the court to confirm the information in such reports, the plaintiff cannot cross-examine the witness in order to properly examine the fact. The testimony alone is without any weight and not worthy of being taken in to account."

The defense wasted at least day of hearings so that he could vent his opinions, they should have focused on the DNA, but they didn't.

More things you rather ignore:

"The plaintiff’s examination presented Mr Mau Mau as a circumstantial witness to the scene before the crime took place. Mr Mau Mau, who is a friend of the two defendants, testified and confirmed that on the said date of the incident, he and the two defendants were playing the guitar and drinking beer and smoking cigarettes in the vicinity of the dry log not far from the crime scene. After that, Mr Mau Mau drove off on his motorcycle. The time indicated by Mr Mau Mau’s testimony was shortly before the crime was committed. Miss Phornthip Singkhamma, witness for the plaintiff, testified that she saw three persons sitting and playing a guitar at approximately 2am, which supports and give persuasiveness to the testimony given by Mr. Mau Mau. The facts provided by the testimonies in this regard are in accordance with the timecodes that appear on the from the CCTV camera footage obtained nearby the crime scene. The examination of two defendants cannot confute this fact and that there was no one else nearby except the two defendants."

The hoe used to kill Witheridge and Miller was normally left at the sample place they were seeing around 2AM:

"In addition, the point where the two defendants and Mr Mau Mau were sitting was in the same place that Mr O (no surname), the plaintiff’s witness, regularly left the exhibited hoe, which is also in the vicinity of the place that the exhibited hoe was found with the two victims’s blood stains."

That place was between were both victims were last seen (again around the same time) and the crime scene.

"The wounds to the head and face of the Second Deceased were all shown to be serious wounds matching the kind of injury that would be incurred by an attack with the blade and handle of the exhibited hoe, as Police Colonel Phawat M.D. and Khunying Pornthip M.D. have testified. The discovery of bloodstains from the Second Deceased on the exhibited hoe further lead to the undeniable suspicion that the exhibited hoe was the weapon used in the attack on the Second Deceased. The serious injury caused to her face occurred after the tear wound that occurred during the rape and so it must be concluded that after the Second Deceased was raped at the crime scene she was attacked and killed with the exhibited hoe. The evidence and connected circumstances lead to the conclusion that there can be no other finding than that the two Defendants used the exhibited hoe as a weapon to attack and kill the Second Deceased at the crime scene. Even though the report of the results of the DNA tests conducted by the Institute of Forensic Science according to Document number Lor. 29 summarises the results and conclusions of the examination that the DNA of the two Defendants did not match the mixed DNA of a male found on the exhibited hoe, this is not signicicant or inconsistent because the mixed DNA of a male that was found on the hoe matched the DNA of the First Deceased. In this case, and based on the evidence given by the witness for the Plaintiff, Mr O, it transpires that Mr O was the person who regularly used the exhibited hoe and even after the crime has been committed Mr O continued to use the exhibited hoe before it was sent off for examination. However, there was no examination for a match with the DNA of Mr O. With regard to the reason for not cinding a match with the DNA of the Offenders on the exhibited hoe, Khunying Pornthip M.D. explained that there could be many reasons for this, such as whether the hands are dry or sweaty which affects whether or not DNA is left on an object, or if the offenders had been wearing gloves or had put a cloth around the handle of the hoe or even if the handle of the exhibited hoe had been washed before being sent off for examination then DNA might not be found. Therefore the absence alone of the DNA of the Defendants on the exhibited hoe alone is not signicicant proof to confute the other evidence of the DNA from the sperm of both the Defendants found in the body of the Second Deceased. The Court hears that after the two Defendants raped the Second Deceased they used the exhibited hoe, which is a hard object with a long sharp edge, to repeatedly attack and kill the Second Deceased causing deep wounds to the head, and bone of the forehead and left eye socket. This points to the fact that both Defendants used the exhibited hoe to attack the Second Deceased with their full force resulting in the death of the Second Deceased and that they had the intention to kill her. Both Defendants are therefore guilty of jointly committing the murder of the Second Deceased in order to conceal their other offense."

Talking about concealing, something more to ignore:

"Mr. Mau Mau for interrogation and found that prior to the incident, Mr. Mau Mau and both Defendants had gone out to play the guitar, drink beer and smoke near the dry log underneath the pine tree. Thereafter, Mr. Mau Mau exchanged his shirt with the Second Defendant and borrowed the motorcycle to ride to his girlfriend’s place. Upon coming back home, Mr. Mau Mau found both Defendants were asleep. Pol. Col. asked Mr. Mau Mau to take him to the house to meet both Defendants. Upon arriving, only the First Defendant was there. From interrogations, the First Defendant could not show his passport and admitted to having illegally entered the Kingdom. The police then detained the First Defendant and seized his clothes and the motorcycle used on the night of crime for further inspection. The police interrogated the First Defendant via a Burmese Translator named Mr. Kamol Uzon, the Evidence Document marked as Jor. 52, and subsequently charged the First Defendant with illegally entering and residing in the Kingdom without due permission, according to the Arrest Record, the Evidence Document marked as Jor. 36. As for the Second Defendant, the police were informed of him having left Koh Tao on a night boat and that he would reach Surat Thani at around 6 hrs. of 2nd October B.E. 2557 (2014), therefore coordinating with Investigation Officers of Surat Thani province to follow up. The Second Defendant was found hiding on the night boat. The police then took his picture and sent it to Mr. Mau Mau for verification."

The Jersey Evening Post article on Jan 9th states that Wei Phyo (the one that fled) said to the police that he left because he had another job, but had never informed his employer he was leaving.

Also mentions that the defense own DNA specialist, Worvee Wiyamu said the forensic work was carried out to international standards.

[phuketandsee]

Just been reading the translation of the final Kho Tao judgement.

Part of the sentence they received was '20 years imprisonment for the rape of a woman who is not their wife'

So it's ok if it's their wife?

Gobsmacked. Am I missing something?

You are not missing anything. Ever watched the soaps they are addicted to here (hard I know)? Rape is a constant feature of these, frequently treated as a legitimate seduction technique. Just another aspect of Thainess.

[phuketandsee]

I've seen several "I've read the report posts" They are based on what many consider to to an unfair and biased trial.

Andy Hall is a clever guy and would not play his hand to point out the errors. This will be done at the next stage.

Rules of Engagement here:

Do not quote trolls/shills

Do not reply to trolls/shills just state what you are arguing against

Do not assume that everyone that likes your post is a supporter of truth and justice

Understand that a major ploy is misdirection in some posts

Understand there is no evidence of a murder having been committed by the B2 which leads to the question why a death sentence?

Be patient wait for the DNA evidence to be scrutinised

Excellent advice

[puukao]

Above all, never believe anything you read!!!

Since it is all false, it doesn't mean the opposite it true!!

Not believing this post doesn't mean the opposite of what i say.

the truth can only be seen by the few

everyone else is a mushroom

[asiamaster]

I've seen several "I've read the report posts" They are based on what many consider to to an unfair and biased trial.

Andy Hall is a clever guy and would not play his hand to point out the errors. This will be done at the next stage.

Rules of Engagement here:

Do not quote trolls/shills

Do not reply to trolls/shills just state what you are arguing against

Do not assume that everyone that likes your post is a supporter of truth and justice

Understand that a major ploy is misdirection in some posts

Understand there is no evidence of a murder having been committed by the B2 which leads to the question why a death sentence?

Be patient wait for the DNA evidence to be scrutinised

^ wannabee moderator

[AleG]

They said

"#‎Anonymous are awaiting photos that will show just how much corruption and lies by the Thai police on the Island of Koh Tao exist. Our picture will clearly show it was more than just a drowning......We are awaiting pictures the Thai police do not know were taken."

so they actually "have" nothing...at the moment. I hope they produce some evidence to back up their claims.

They will !!

Can you remind me what was your stance on people distributing photos of the victims on Internet?

Because, IIRC, you (and company) have expressed outrage at such photos of David Miller and Hannah Witheridge being released.

[GarryP]

I see the police chief has asked a legal committee to investigate whether Laura's FB post contravened any Thai laws and will file charges against her, if the committee decides that it did.

It is understandable that he should be upset about because he was made personally in charge of the investigation after the former commander of Police Region 8, Pol Lt Gen Panya Mamen, was promoted to an inactive post soon after he announced he was planning to arrest the headman's son. Police Chief, Pol Gen Chakthip, who was then commander of the Bangkok Metropolitan Police Bureau, which got a sudden extension of its territory, managed to get the investigation back on track quickly and within days the two convicts were arrested, confessed and police finished their one page handwritten DNA match with semen samples found in the body of Laura's late sister, who may not have been sexually assaulted according what little has been revealed from the independent Home Office pathologist's report. Who wouldn't be offended at receiving such an unpleasant brickbat for such a perfect job which even drew praise from Thailand's prime minister?

Hopefully Pol Gen Chakthip will be man enough to defend his personal honour and the hard earned reputation of the Royal Thai Police with lawsuits for criminal defamation and offences under the Computer Crimes Act against the grieving sister of the deceased. Undoubtedly lawyers hired by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs will be able to secure her extradition to Thailand through the English courts after many years of enjoyable visits to Harrods, since the British government has showed such solidarity with the Royal Thai Police over its superb investigation of the deaths of its citizens and Laura will eventually face many years in Lard Yao women's prison, where the toms will just love her. In fact he probably won't have to wait that long. Since Laura expressed such deep affection for Thailand, she probably won't be able to resist coming on another wonderful holiday to LOS to enjoy the wonderful hospitality of Thai people and public officials.

Laura's arrest and incarceration would undoubtedly be the coup of the century for the Tourist Authority of Thailand - streaks ahead their obviously fake James video. .

You're missing your vocation. You should write for Private Eye or the like. Classic post.