Fookhaht Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Great line of reasoning. A car is for transportation. What are the uses for guns? Protection of human life. I have personally saved the life of a fellow human being who was being beaten to death, by shooting a shotgun over the heads of low-life thugs on my property. They ran off, peeing their pants, while we got an aid car for the near-dead victim. For every murder or tragic accident, we probably could collect a much higher stack of life-saving anecdotes because a policeman or citizen was armed. Even the old U.K. came to its senses regarding its formerly unarmed police force. The evil in the world demands a stronger opposing force. On a larger scale, but with the same reasoning: good thing the USA finally armed itself halfway through WWII, after finally realizing you don't kow-tow to armed bullies. For every murder or tragic accident, we probably could collect a much higher stack of life-saving anecdotes because a policeman or citizen was armed. Probably not, otherwise the NRA would have created a website only for this Dream on. We're both talking in probabilities on this point, without facts. But I suspect I'm right. IMHO. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Play with guns and u kill people. Drive cars like idiots and u kill people. Serve pa-ra on your son-tam and u kill people. Sell alcohol and cigarettes and u kill people. Clever Idea: Why not just ban the whole lot? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/886144-us-father-fatally-shoots-son-mistaken-for-intruder/?p=10303837 I can drive like a f1 racer, but because some morons cannot drive fast I have to follow the regulations. I can take drugs like a champion, but because some morons can't I cannot buy them in shops. In USA Kinder chocolate are forbiddent because some kids swallow them and shock, so all the kids cannot buy them. In USA you cannot eat raw milk cheese, because "it is not safe" You cannot drink before majority, but you can buy a rifle for your 12yrs old kid..... You cannot have an abortion before medical check, discussion with a shrink, face the bigots raw of shame...but you can buy guns in Wallmart. Smoking law is harsher than gun selling Oh and do not forget the main thing : guns are designed to kill or aim...nothing else, not to open beers... Cars are not designed to kill IMHO guns are designed to protect (as are armies, medicine, chemotherapy, safety training, etc.). Not such an alien thought. Even though we have these things designed to protect, they are still misused by evil and incompetent people. BTW, I am all for better control which weeds out the cons and certifiable idiots. The best we can do. However, you ban all weapons and you end up with a defenseless crowd at a Paris concert. Edited January 13, 2016 by Fookhaht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgesAbitbol Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Great line of reasoning. A car is for transportation. What are the uses for guns? Protection of human life. I have personally saved the life of a fellow human being who was being beaten to death, by shooting a shotgun over the heads of low-life thugs on my property. They ran off, peeing their pants, while we got an aid car for the near-dead victim. For every murder or tragic accident, we probably could collect a much higher stack of life-saving anecdotes because a policeman or citizen was armed. Even the old U.K. came to its senses regarding its formerly unarmed police force. The evil in the world demands a stronger opposing force. On a larger scale, but with the same reasoning: good thing the USA finally armed itself halfway through WWII, after finally realizing you don't kow-tow to armed bullies. For every murder or tragic accident, we probably could collect a much higher stack of life-saving anecdotes because a policeman or citizen was armed. Probably not, otherwise the NRA would have created a website only for this Dream on. We're both talking in probabilities on this point, without facts. But I suspect I'm right. IMHO. :-) Well all in all, just look at the link i posted a bit earlier...you will have a big part of the answer... I am not talking about probabilities. If a lobby like the NRA does not setup a website or any kind of thread which list all the crimes prevented by guns, and if the case were true (more prevention than accidents) well I will soon ask to be a consultant, cause it's something that every pro guns would like to throw at the face of people like me...but there is not...strange no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaalle Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 My point was its a stupid comparison. You don't ban cars because they might kill people. Banning guns is viable because their sole purpose is to kill or injure some one. Hunting rifles are beside the point. I have close relatives who own them and they keep the locked up. I highly doubt they would think to brandish them among people. Sent from my A0001 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgesAbitbol Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Play with guns and u kill people. Drive cars like idiots and u kill people. Serve pa-ra on your son-tam and u kill people. Sell alcohol and cigarettes and u kill people. Clever Idea: Why not just ban the whole lot? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/886144-us-father-fatally-shoots-son-mistaken-for-intruder/?p=10303837 I can drive like a f1 racer, but because some morons cannot drive fast I have to follow the regulations. I can take drugs like a champion, but because some morons can't I cannot buy them in shops. In USA Kinder chocolate are forbiddent because some kids swallow them and shock, so all the kids cannot buy them. In USA you cannot eat raw milk cheese, because "it is not safe" You cannot drink before majority, but you can buy a rifle for your 12yrs old kid..... You cannot have an abortion before medical check, discussion with a shrink, face the bigots raw of shame...but you can buy guns in Wallmart. Smoking law is harsher than gun selling Oh and do not forget the main thing : guns are designed to kill or aim...nothing else, not to open beers... Cars are not designed to kill IMHO guns are designed to protect (as are armies, medicine, chemotherapy, safety training, etc.). Not such an alien thought. Even though we have these things designed to protect, they are still misused (N. Korea, belligerents of WW2, etc.). BTW, I am all for better control which weeds out the cons and certifiable idiots. The best we can do. However, you ban all weapons and you end up with a defenseless crowd at a Paris concert. I am quite sure guns are banned from concerts in USA as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Drive cars like idiots and u kill people. Serve pa-ra on your son-tam and u kill people. Sell alcohol and cigarettes and u kill people. Clever Idea: Why not just ban the whole lot? http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/886144-us-father-fatally-shoots-son-mistaken-for-intruder/?p=10303837 I can drive like a f1 racer, but because some morons cannot drive fast I have to follow the regulations. I can take drugs like a champion, but because some morons can't I cannot buy them in shops. In USA Kinder chocolate are forbiddent because some kids swallow them and shock, so all the kids cannot buy them. In USA you cannot eat raw milk cheese, because "it is not safe" You cannot drink before majority, but you can buy a rifle for your 12yrs old kid..... You cannot have an abortion before medical check, discussion with a shrink, face the bigots raw of shame...but you can buy guns in Wallmart. Smoking law is harsher than gun selling Oh and do not forget the main thing : guns are designed to kill or aim...nothing else, not to open beers... Cars are not designed to kill IMHO guns are designed to protect (as are armies, medicine, chemotherapy, safety training, etc.). Not such an alien thought. Even though we have these things designed to protect, they are still misused (N. Korea, belligerents of WW2, etc.). BTW, I am all for better control which weeds out the cons and certifiable idiots. The best we can do. However, you ban all weapons and you end up with a defenseless crowd at a Paris concert. I am quite sure guns are banned from concerts in USA as well You obviously haven't been to the USA. Try an outdoor concert in Texas, Wyoming or Montana, which states boast responsible gun laws and control, along with a better-trained citizenry in self-protection. The very last venues that would be visited by any self-respecting terrorist. Edited January 13, 2016 by Fookhaht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgesAbitbol Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I can drive like a f1 racer, but because some morons cannot drive fast I have to follow the regulations. I can take drugs like a champion, but because some morons can't I cannot buy them in shops. In USA Kinder chocolate are forbiddent because some kids swallow them and shock, so all the kids cannot buy them. In USA you cannot eat raw milk cheese, because "it is not safe" You cannot drink before majority, but you can buy a rifle for your 12yrs old kid..... You cannot have an abortion before medical check, discussion with a shrink, face the bigots raw of shame...but you can buy guns in Wallmart. Smoking law is harsher than gun selling Oh and do not forget the main thing : guns are designed to kill or aim...nothing else, not to open beers... Cars are not designed to kill IMHO guns are designed to protect (as are armies, medicine, chemotherapy, safety training, etc.). Not such an alien thought. Even though we have these things designed to protect, they are still misused (N. Korea, belligerents of WW2, etc.). BTW, I am all for better control which weeds out the cons and certifiable idiots. The best we can do. However, you ban all weapons and you end up with a defenseless crowd at a Paris concert. I am quite sure guns are banned from concerts in USA as well You obviously haven't been to the USA. Try an outdoor concert in Texas, Wyoming or Montana, which states boast responsible gun laws and control, along with a better-trained citizenry in self-protection. The very last venues that would be visited by any self-respecting terrorist. I never been to Texas for sure, with a stupid law like Stand your ground I will not go neither (south park has a wonderful episode about this by the way) And from what I can see, you CANNOT have a gun in a concert, sport event, and so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 IMHO guns are designed to protect (as are armies, medicine, chemotherapy, safety training, etc.). Not such an alien thought. Even though we have these things designed to protect, they are still misused (N. Korea, belligerents of WW2, etc.). BTW, I am all for better control which weeds out the cons and certifiable idiots. The best we can do. However, you ban all weapons and you end up with a defenseless crowd at a Paris concert. I am quite sure guns are banned from concerts in USA as well You obviously haven't been to the USA. Try an outdoor concert in Texas, Wyoming or Montana, which states boast responsible gun laws and control, along with a better-trained citizenry in self-protection. The very last venues that would be visited by any self-respecting terrorist. I never been to Texas for sure, with a stupid law like Stand your ground I will not go neither (south park has a wonderful episode about this by the way) And from what I can see, you CANNOT have a gun in a concert, sport event, and so on So you're willing to extrapolate that ban/prohibition to an entire society/country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dutchisaan Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 What's the use in defending a tragic incident like this? One could give a "what if" story such as, what if the intruder had been a 19 year old thug with his own gun ready to shoot anybody that resisted him. Sadly it wasn't and if it had been you would never have read about it here. So what's the use. You critics are going to criticize regardless and since the vast majority of you are not Americans, nobody really cares what your opinions are anyway. Keep tilting at windmills all you want. Just don't expect it to do any good. You know what? We will keep tilting the windmils! At least, they don't kill people.And your remark that you don't give a sh*t about the opinoin of other people the from the USA..... That just shows the brain power you have. Oh, btw, I'm sure I made some spellng mistakes in this post, so be free to blame a other non American! Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) What's the use in defending a tragic incident like this? One could give a "what if" story such as, what if the intruder had been a 19 year old thug with his own gun ready to shoot anybody that resisted him. Sadly it wasn't and if it had been you would never have read about it here. So what's the use. You critics are going to criticize regardless and since the vast majority of you are not Americans, nobody really cares what your opinions are anyway. Keep tilting at windmills all you want. Just don't expect it to do any good. You know what? We will keep tilting the windmils! At least, they don't kill people.... Tilting windmills could be lethal. However, tilting AT windmills is another matter. Edited January 13, 2016 by Fookhaht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgesAbitbol Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I am quite sure guns are banned from concerts in USA as well You obviously haven't been to the USA. Try an outdoor concert in Texas, Wyoming or Montana, which states boast responsible gun laws and control, along with a better-trained citizenry in self-protection. The very last venues that would be visited by any self-respecting terrorist. I never been to Texas for sure, with a stupid law like Stand your ground I will not go neither (south park has a wonderful episode about this by the way) And from what I can see, you CANNOT have a gun in a concert, sport event, and so on So you're willing to extrapolate that ban/prohibition to an entire society/country? It will for sure prevent any road rage, drunk, kids shooting at each other thinking it is a toy.... and so much more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) I never been to Texas for sure, with a stupid law like Stand your ground I will not go neither (south park has a wonderful episode about this by the way) And from what I can see, you CANNOT have a gun in a concert, sport event, and so on So you're willing to extrapolate that ban/prohibition to an entire society/country? It will for sure prevent any road rage, drunk, kids shooting at each other thinking it is a toy.... and so much more Oh yes, it will certainly prevent any road rage..... Human nature will always find a lethal tool, even if it is Cain destroying his brother with a club. (Any thinking person would know that what was really needed was good club-control legislation.) Edited January 13, 2016 by Fookhaht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgesAbitbol Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I never been to Texas for sure, with a stupid law like Stand your ground I will not go neither (south park has a wonderful episode about this by the way) And from what I can see, you CANNOT have a gun in a concert, sport event, and so on So you're willing to extrapolate that ban/prohibition to an entire society/country? It will for sure prevent any road rage, drunk, kids shooting at each other thinking it is a toy.... and so much more Oh yes, it will certainly prevent any road rage..... Screen Shot 2016-01-13 at 4.13.38 PM.png Human nature will always find a lethal tool, even if it is Cain destroying his brother with a club. What what really needed was good club-control legislation. It is easier to kill someone or more than one by just pressing a trigger rather than clubbing them... Probably the kid will still be alive if its dad "only" clubbed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 If I was that Dad, not sure I'd want to live any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fookhaht Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 So you're willing to extrapolate that ban/prohibition to an entire society/country? It will for sure prevent any road rage, drunk, kids shooting at each other thinking it is a toy.... and so much more Oh yes, it will certainly prevent any road rage..... Screen Shot 2016-01-13 at 4.13.38 PM.png Human nature will always find a lethal tool, even if it is Cain destroying his brother with a club. What what really needed was good club-control legislation. It is easier to kill someone or more than one by just pressing a trigger rather than clubbing them... Probably the kid will still be alive if its dad "only" clubbed him Now we're grasping at straws... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc46 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Just another example of why the general populous shouldn't be armed. When will the gun 'pro' supporters ever realise they are wrong? Probably never, too stupid ! No Stupid ,If Dad had a Baseball bat, He would have Caved in his sons Head in too,So people are Stupid for arming themselves with Baseball Bats hey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prbkk Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Just some collateral damage in the unalienable right to bear arms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manarak Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Just another example of why the general populous shouldn't be armed. When will the gun 'pro' supporters ever realise they are wrong? Probably never, too stupid ! Well, before extrapolating from a punctual event, we should first find out if the shooter was entitled to possess a gun under current gun laws or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emster23 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Would some prefer he be like bystander shot dead by stray bullet from feuding motorcycle gangs in Bangkok just a few days ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) They will probably say that the father was mentally unstable or the kid should send clear signals when going home : like yelling or ringing the bell.. Naaa That would be plain silly. It is the boy's fault for not wearing a vest and carrying an assault rifle.... Just a typical "home intrusion" and therefore a justifiable homicide under the Second Amendment...... Edited January 13, 2016 by bangon04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangon04 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Would some prefer he be like bystander shot dead by stray bullet from feuding motorcycle gangs in Bangkok just a few days ago? Here we go..... of course that kid you mention should have been sitting in the vehicle armed with his own gun and aiming it at any potential threat from passing gangbangers...... maybe take a few shots out of the window of a moving vehicle to make sure he could not be thought of as a potential target. Obviously his own fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie59 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I wonder how he feels about the 2nd amendment now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidybeard Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I will never understand Americans .... here is an English version of the same story. Dad, upon hearing a noise, opens the basement door and says "who's there" ? Son says " it's me dad" End of story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgesAbitbol Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Just another example of why the general populous shouldn't be armed. When will the gun 'pro' supporters ever realise they are wrong? Probably never, too stupid ! No Stupid ,If Dad had a Baseball bat, He would have Caved in his sons Head in too,So people are Stupid for arming themselves with Baseball Bats hey? He would have to come closer to his son and maybe recognize him...he would also have a chance to not kill it instantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chilli42 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 I have spent a lot of time around guns. Why would this guy not have treated this as a defencive situation and called the police? The gun a last resort only if his life was threatened. This guy was looking for a confrontation. He found it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeincnx Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 What's the use in defending a tragic incident like this? One could give a "what if" story such as, what if the intruder had been a 19 year old thug with his own gun ready to shoot anybody that resisted him. Sadly it wasn't and if it had been you would never have read about it here. So what's the use. You critics are going to criticize regardless and since the vast majority of you are not Americans, nobody really cares what your opinions are anyway. Keep tilting at windmills all you want. Just don't expect it to do any good. How very Thai of ChuckD in showing his Americaness. I'm an American and many of us do care and appreciate the opinions of non-Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Definitely more guns are needed in the US, the kid should also have carried one. NOT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckd Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 Great line of reasoning. A car is for transportation. What are the uses for guns? Protection of human life. I have personally saved the life of a fellow human being who was being beaten to death, by shooting a shotgun over the heads of low-life thugs on my property. They ran off, peeing their pants, while we got an aid car for the near-dead victim. For every murder or tragic accident, we probably could collect a much higher stack of life-saving anecdotes because a policeman or citizen was armed. Even the old U.K. came to its senses regarding its formerly unarmed police force. The evil in the world demands a stronger opposing force. On a larger scale, but with the same reasoning: good thing the USA finally armed itself halfway through WWII, after finally realizing you don't kow-tow to armed bullies. For every murder or tragic accident, we probably could collect a much higher stack of life-saving anecdotes because a policeman or citizen was armed. Probably not, otherwise the NRA would have created a website only for this Nothing to do with the NRA but there are sites around that detail such incidents. Google "real life armed self defense stories" and follow the bouncing ball. --------------------------------------------------------------------- http://thewellarmedwoman.com/women-and-guns/survival-stories https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/real-stories-of-self-defense-using-firearms/ http://www.cato.org/guns-and-self-defense http://www.examiner.com/article/30-days-of-guns-saving-lives-a-collection-of-true-stories-of-self-defense https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/true-stories-july-2014/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 If only the young boy had his own gun to defend himself (the NRA position, not mine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Christmas13 Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 yeah, the US even needs more GUNS GUNS GUNS to make it an even safer place than it already is...... how SICK !!! Obama got that right..... no guns, no shootings. It is as simple as that (and most civilized countries in Europe where guns r near to non-existent in public are living prove of that) I do agree with you the US has 270 million registered guns not counting the illegal ones who is protecting who ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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