16 hours ago, champa said:

Pattaya city should order the developer to cut down 1/3 of the building line on the narrow road, from 93M to be 60 M

Champa. just to simplify your point.are you referring to downsizing the width of this project?

in other words, eliminating the "Hotel wing" in red circle for example(I calculated it to be approx. 40m)

17 hours ago, champa said:

They ordered The Aetas Bangkok to be demolished to be 8 floors not to be demolished the whole building

I believe the court ordered the demolition within 60 days of December 2014.

but no demolition yet! am I right?

Is there any truth or veracity to the story that both the original developer, out of Bangkok, and the local developer of Israel origin/decent who "bought" it from said Bangkok outfit, have indeed both gotten their money out of the project and in fact, in the case of the Israeli group are getting a monthly retainer of 210,000 Baht (from the escrow account) to keep the process going? In short, where's the money in this fiasco? Who is actually losing money and who made money despite it remaining unfinished, deteriorating, losing market value, etc.?

On ‎24‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 11:05 AM, pattayadude said:

I believe the court ordered the demolition within 60 days of December 2014.

but no demolition yet! am I right?

 

so what? They then went through a lengthy appeal process  but the The Central Administrative Court in Bangkok has still upheld the original decision.

It's coming as sure as night follows day

 

http://loyaltylobby.com/2016/10/01/popular-aetas-bangkok-hotel-will-be-partly-demolished-due-to-disregarded-zoning-laws/

 

3 hours ago, BruceMangosteen said:

Is there any truth or veracity to the story that both the original developer, out of Bangkok, and the local developer of Israel origin/decent who "bought" it from said Bangkok outfit, have indeed both gotten their money out of the project and in fact, in the case of the Israeli group are getting a monthly retainer of 210,000 Baht (from the escrow account) to keep the process going? In short, where's the money in this fiasco? Who is actually losing money and who made money despite it remaining unfinished, deteriorating, losing market value, etc.?

Winners:the Bank,Construction workers(until the halt),construction company,sales team ( commissions from sales),Executives,advertisers,material suppliers, partial-demolition company(soon) and whoever profited from allowing what once said can't be done.

Losers:Whoever has a piece of the pie in the sky

1 hour ago, Asiantravel said:

It's coming as sure as night follows day

hell of a long day

3 minutes ago, pattayadude said:

hell of a long day

but nothing compared to the justice system in India where you take your problem not to be resolved but to intentionally tie  things up for at least 10 years

10 minutes ago, Asiantravel said:

but nothing compared to the justice system in India where you take your problem not to be resolved but to intentionally tie  things up for at least 10 years

In India the whole traffic comes to a halt for 10 hours because of a cow, let alone their court system gets tied up for 10 years

Actually Thai court system isn't any better than India's

 So what's the latest ?

Just now, properperson said:

 So what's the latest ?

Well, two Russians climbed to the top and took a selfie video the other day and posted it online.

10 hours ago, HLover said:

Well, two Russians climbed to the top and took a selfie video the other day and posted it online.

 

"the other day" ? February 2017 ! 

Makes many "other day" in more than 1 year...

 

 

1 minute ago, Pattaya46 said:

 

"the other day" ? February 2017 ! 

Makes many "other day" in more than 1 year...

 

 

Apologies as I am slightly retarded.

On 3/8/2018 at 9:58 AM, Pattaya46 said:

 

"the other day" ? February 2017 ! 

Makes many "other day" in more than 1 year...

 

 

It's ironic that this 2billion baht halted project will take even many more  years to get resolved one way or another in Thai courts , only construction workers and now a young couple have been able to enjoy that killer view so far!

Kudos to them!

Some DO go to great lengths to get that kiss.

sigh!

On 3/7/2018 at 10:51 PM, properperson said:

So what's the latest ?

 

Watch out for the guard dogs.

Watch out for the guard dogs.

That's not a guard dog: he's the new managing director.

I noticed today that the building opposite started to be demolished.

21 hours ago, johng said:

I noticed today that the building opposite started to be demolished.

 

That started about 6 months ago.

That started about 6 months ago.

Ok I just noticed it...driving past the noise from jackhammer's was horrendous which prompted me to stop and see what all the noise was about.

what's with these  authorities who (pretend to) run the City Hall these days???

Do they all of a sudden realize that the projects were illegally built  after they were completely built? REALLY!!

Can someone explain this or this is business as usual in LOS?

or  is this the improved and the advanced "Corruption 4.0 "?

I think their left hand perfectly knows what  their right hand is doing!

Isn't the sick homeowner who intentionally leaves the main door wide open to lure in thieves just to hunt to shoot criminals for a personal vendetta  also guilty?

C'mon!

On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 1:41 PM, Asiantravel said:

 

so what? They then went through a lengthy appeal process  but the The Central Administrative Court in Bangkok has still upheld the original decision.

It's coming as sure as night follows day

 

http://loyaltylobby.com/2016/10/01/popular-aetas-bangkok-hotel-will-be-partly-demolished-due-to-disregarded-zoning-laws/

 

If it's demolished I'll be doing the "happy dance"! 

22 hours ago, pattayadude said:

what's with these  authorities who (pretend to) run the City Hall these days???

Do they all of a sudden realize that the projects were illegally built  after they were completely built? REALLY!!

Can someone explain this or this is business as usual in LOS?

or  is this the improved and the advanced "Corruption 4.0 "?

I think their left hand perfectly knows what  their right hand is doing!

Isn't the sick homeowner who intentionally leaves the main door wide open to lure in thieves just to hunt to shoot criminals for a personal vendetta  also guilty?

C'mon!

Mafia kingpin Somchai installs his youngest son as mayor. Mafia mayor's administration approves WaterFront. Military junta takes over government and disapproves project. Pretty simple to follow actually.

19 hours ago, pegman said:

Mafia kingpin Somchai installs his youngest son as mayor. Mafia mayor's administration approves WaterFront. Military junta takes over government and disapproves project. Pretty simple to follow actually.

 

The youngest son, the ex mayor now has a cozy job and an office in the Prime Minister's (Head Junta) Office

The oldest son is also on board as 'advisor' to the Prime Minister

 

With the upcoming election, looks like the Junta wants the Chonburi votes which the Kunploems can deliver.

 

Current Administration at City Hall can backpedal or leave things in neutral and have who ever inherits the next office take care of it

2 1/2 years now since this thread started. Nothing has changed - still there, still abandoned.

 

Even if they start again, how much extra cost will be involved in repairing the damage caused by weathering. How long before the building becomes unsafe?

3 hours ago, digbeth said:

 

The youngest son, the ex mayor now has a cozy job and an office in the Prime Minister's (Head Junta) Office

The oldest son is also on board as 'advisor' to the Prime Minister

 

With the upcoming election, looks like the Junta wants the Chonburi votes which the Kunploems can deliver.

 

Current Administration at City Hall can backpedal or leave things in neutral and have who ever inherits the next office take care of it

Yes, Mayor Daley has nothing on Kamnan Poh when it comes to delivering votes. Strange bed fellows indeed. Once elections finally get done on a municipal basis we will likely see Itthiphol back in the Pattaya Mayor's chair. He can then get this project back on track under new ownership that promises to be most generous to the Kamnan's empire. Full circle as it were.

4 hours ago, tropo said:

2 1/2 years now since this thread started. Nothing has changed - still there, still abandoned.

 

Even if they start again, how much extra cost will be involved in repairing the damage caused by weathering. How long before the building becomes unsafe?

I believe Northshore condo was abandoned for a lot longer under similar conditions.

Concrete can withstand tough weather for many many years with only minimal damage.

My estimate would be 15-20 years before the elements start causing irreversible damage.

If somehow this building was sorted out and the condos are ready to be sold again after a period longer than 20 years, I wouldn't buy it if it was offered to me free

7 hours ago, digbeth said:

 

The youngest son, the ex mayor now has a cozy job and an office in the Prime Minister's (Head Junta) Office

The oldest son is also on board as 'advisor' to the Prime Minister

 

With the upcoming election, looks like the Junta wants the Chonburi votes which the Kunploems can deliver.

 

Current Administration at City Hall can backpedal or leave things in neutral and have who ever inherits the next office take care of it

If a mafia boss (currently doing 25 years in can) can install his son as a mayor of a city like Pattaya from jail,

And this new mayor allows this out of place and; allegedly illegal 50 story building / in front of a sacred hill/allegedly too high and wide/in violation of building codes/too close to sea level,

And this 50 story building gets topped off, escaping all "radars",

And the military (illegally) overthrows a prime minister in a military coup-d'etat  who was accused of abusing her powers who also happens to be the daughter of an  ex-prime minister who was ousted and escaped the country  with billions,

And this building is found to be illegal by the military junta and construction was halted since 2014,

And the junta who took over the country is still in power for a whopping 4 years,

And this ex-mayor who allowed the "illegal" building gets a "cosy job" in the "head junta's" office,

And rumor has it that the ex-mayor might get re-elected to be the Pattaya's new mayor come next election,

And rumor has it that once elected, he will allow the "illegal" building to be completed,

 

The bottom has fallen out man!

6 hours ago, pattayadude said:

If a mafia boss (currently doing 25 years in can) can install his son as a mayor of a city like Pattaya from jail,

And this new mayor allows this out of place and; allegedly illegal 50 story building / in front of a sacred hill/allegedly too high and wide/in violation of building codes/too close to sea level,

And this 50 story building gets topped off, escaping all "radars",

And the military (illegally) overthrows a prime minister in a military coup-d'etat  who was accused of abusing her powers who also happens to be the daughter of an  ex-prime minister who was ousted and escaped the country  with billions,

And this building is found to be illegal by the military junta and construction was halted since 2014,

And the junta who took over the country is still in power for a whopping 4 years,

And this ex-mayor who allowed the "illegal" building gets a "cosy job" in the "head junta's" office,

And rumor has it that the ex-mayor might get re-elected to be the Pattaya's new mayor come next election,

And rumor has it that once elected, he will allow the "illegal" building to be completed,

 

The bottom has fallen out man!

The Godfather didn't stay back in the pen long. He was released on humanitarian grounds last year. Yingluck was Thaksin's youngest sister not daughter. Other than that pretty much spot on. TIT!

9 hours ago, pattayadude said:

I believe Northshore condo was abandoned for a lot longer under similar conditions.

Concrete can withstand tough weather for many many years with only minimal damage.

My estimate would be 15-20 years before the elements start causing irreversible damage.

If somehow this building was sorted out and the condos are ready to be sold again after a period longer than 20 years, I wouldn't buy it if it was offered to me free

 It's the reinforcement steel inside the concrete that you need to be concerned with. If that's exposed to air, it expands and blows out the concrete. (concrete cancer). Unfinished buildings such as the one we're discussing have a lot of exposed steel. Right now there's no paint to protect it.

 

If you estimate 15 years to irreversible damage, then the 4 years or so this building has been abandoned has already reached 25% of your estimate. I wasn't discussing irreversible damage after decades, but the cost of getting it cleaned up to finish the project. Of course, being Thailand, they may just paint over the rust.

A lot of the 'ghost' building abandoned in Bangkok around 97-98 are now being completed now, some has been sitting there for whole decade even

some might not have that much exposed rebar but without maintainance water's gonna seeps into concrete with cracks, maybe they just render over the cracks 

1 hour ago, digbeth said:

A lot of the 'ghost' building abandoned in Bangkok around 97-98 are now being completed now, some has been sitting there for whole decade even

some might not have that much exposed rebar but without maintainance water's gonna seeps into concrete with cracks, maybe they just render over the cracks 

I don't know about ghost buildings from 97 being completed, but there are some sitting in ruins waiting to be demolished. 

 

Here's a very close example in terms of size and height to the Bali Hai Pier building we're discussing here. 

 

https://expertvagabond.com/abandoned-skyscraper-bangkok/

 

There's no way that building will ever be finished. It was more complete than the Bali Hai Pier building when it was abandoned. 

 

The fact that these buildings can remain abandoned for 2 decades on prime Bangkok real estate suggests it could also happen at Bali Hai Pier.