Man in Hospital After Suffering Injuries in Pattaya Jail

[Kabula]

Falls even off the first rung of a ladder can be traumatic, expecially if you are tall and heavy.

[beammeup]

He may have been uncooperative in giving his ATM card and pin #. At least he is still alive, lets hope he tells the true story.

[F4UCorsair]

This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence.

Overstaying is NOT a victimless offence. This guy is a victim of others overstaying. Others will be victims of his overstaying.

Authorities are sick to death of those who have no regard or respect for Thai laws, so throw offenders in the pen. You are in Thailand, so respect their laws.

I have no idea how he sustained the injuries, but others will no doubt be sure the BiB bashed him. Time may tell on that point.

It's not difficult to do the right thing, so don't bleat about victimless crime, minor breach, breach of no consequence, etc.

If your visa requires border runs, do them. They're part of the price you pay to stay in Thailand.

I see, time and again, posts looking to short circuit the visa requirements. Just comply.

Agree with what you say, but it's also the authorities that have created this mess. Money under the table for visas, payments at the border to be allowed through, etc. It's all a money making scheme for many....with the authorities turning a blind eye...or are actually involved...

Right or wrong, if that's happening, that's part of the cost of staying in Thailand, although I don't recall posts to that effect, but I haven't read every post. Are people actually charged for visas, stamps, etc., over and above the official charges?

Border run required? Do it.

If you're being scammed by authorities, and it is a way of life in some countries, move countries, but it probably won't improve much in SE Asia until you hit Singapore. But....they won't be so tolerant of overstayers, as to charge only B500 equivalent per day!! There's no such thing as a free lunch!

I don't think anybody, including those who vilify overstayers, would gain any satisfaction from seeing this guy hurt, whitemouse, however it happened.

As for 'vilifying a fellow foreigner', each overstayer is the victim of previous overstayers who have made it a hard road for those who follow.. The authorities want to stop it as a consequence of the practice being so widespread, hence the new laws from March 20.

Edited March 5, 2016 by F4UCorsair

[jesimps]

I mean the same thing is possible just because you don't carry your passport around with you all the time these days.

Pretty scary really.

Or if you're one of those despicable bridge playing types.

[mikebell]

Irrespective of right and wrong, Thai authorities make up rules to suit themselves or their pocket. This week the husband of a Thai lady who owns a bar in Bang Saray was arrested & 'fined' 50K because he made himself a coffee. A lovely restaurant here closed because it did not generate sufficient income to support the three Thai wages demanded by Thai authorities. It is staggering to see this lack of intelligence as businesses migrate to Vietnam or other more hospitable places taking their jobs and capital with them; depriving local suppliers of their business just so crooked big-wigs get to augment their bank balance. It is nothing to do with law enforcement merely greed.

Will the last farang businessman please switch off Thailand's lights as they leave.

[jesimps]

This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence.

Overstaying is NOT a victimless offence. This guy is a victim of others overstaying. Others will be victims of his overstaying.

Authorities are sick to death of those who have no regard or respect for Thai laws, so throw offenders in the pen. You are in Thailand, so respect their laws.

I have no idea how he sustained the injuries, but others will no doubt be sure the BiB bashed him. Time may tell on that point.

It's not difficult to do the right thing, so don't bleat about victimless crime, minor breach, breach of no consequence, etc.

If your visa requires border runs, do them. They're part of the price you pay to stay in Thailand.

I see, time and again, posts looking to short circuit the visa requirements. Just comply.

Watch your halo doesn't slip when you're walking on water oh perfect one. Bet you never ever did detention at school and gave the teacher barrels of apples.

[IAMHERE]

'Expired visa in passport'

You ever meet a Thai police you'd trust to interpret your passport?

That is why there is immigration police; they are trained.

[SOTIRIOS]

...send a lawyer and a reporter to see him......

[little mary sunshine]

Looks like about 20% of the real story being told here....Much

More to come, Never head of anyone being attacked by the police

If they ask for your ID and you are decent and not mouth off to them.

Edited March 5, 2016 by little mary sunshine

[johnhw]

This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence.

Lets put your allegation to the test, shall we ?

Who on this form feels that over stayers deserve to have violence inflicted upon them ?

Whitemouse says that this forum is full of people who dream about this kind of thing .

Is he correct or is he just being abusive about forum posters without reason ?

Not I, not violence, although I will admit that overstayers too dumb to comprehend the existance/importance of the expired date on their visas should be dealt with severely enough to stop the illegal practice...and without the tapdancing around "victimless, minor offences" that's only done to tunes played mostly by irresponsible, rule-ignoring, entitled, stonewalling moron fallang.

[torpedo1970]

Getting the old phone book treatment by RTP can make anybody's head ringing

[ALLSEEINGEYE]

You can expect the next story to be that the RTP are suing this man for defaming the RTP and making them look poorly.

[spidermike007]

This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence.

Lets put your allegation to the test, shall we ?

Who on this form feels that over stayers deserve to have violence inflicted upon them ?

Whitemouse says that this forum is full of people who dream about this kind of thing .

Is he correct or is he just being abusive about forum posters without reason ?

He could not possibly be more incorrect. Who would wish harm on someone for overstaying? I am not a big law and order guy, and I think it is a victimless crime. For him to be locked up for this very minor crime is in itself a crime. There are already stiff penalties in place, that prevent anyone from returning anytime soon, once they leave. And for him to have been abused the way he was? I suppose it could have been inflicted by other inmates. But, there is at least a chance it was inflicted by the cops. And for them to say he injured himself, on nearly his entire body, from convulsions? Who do they think they are addressing? Do they really consider the entire nation, and every ex-pat (including everyone on this forum), and tourist here to be that dumb and ignorant? That in itself says more about the mentality of these RCD (revenue collection department) officials, than anything else. Are they beyond reform? Who is the party to this interaction in most need of reform? I say it is the cops.

[thaiduncankk]

Irrespective of right and wrong, Thai authorities make up rules to suit themselves or their pocket. This week the husband of a Thai lady who owns a bar in Bang Saray was arrested & 'fined' 50K because he made himself a coffee. A lovely restaurant here closed because it did not generate sufficient income to support the three Thai wages demanded by Thai authorities. It is staggering to see this lack of intelligence as businesses migrate to Vietnam or other more hospitable places taking their jobs and capital with them; depriving local suppliers of their business just so crooked big-wigs get to augment their bank balance. It is nothing to do with law enforcement merely greed.

Will the last farang businessman please switch off Thailand's lights as they leave.

I think you will find that he voluntarily paid the 50k 'fine', because he did not want the case to go through the law courts.

Had he got a lawyer on the case, he most certainly would have had a better outcome.

[gandalf12]

This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence.

Are we sure we know the full story? This would be something exceptional if it is just because he over stayed his visa. Was he placid or did he attack the police? Nothing is really mentioned to the circumstances so it is very much conjecture on the part of all of us reading it

[williamgeorgeallen]

There Must be some CCTV footage .

He has quite substantial injuries from "falling over"

if cops have video footage of them selves beating some one in their custody do you think they will release it?

[F4UCorsair]

There Must be some CCTV footage .

He has quite substantial injuries from "falling over"

Police said.....he collapsed and was injured while suffering convulsions.

[BangkokKen]

beaten to convulsion for an expired passport???

what is this Korea???

[F4UCorsair]

This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence.

Overstaying is NOT a victimless offence. This guy is a victim of others overstaying. Others will be victims of his overstaying.

Authorities are sick to death of those who have no regard or respect for Thai laws, so throw offenders in the pen. You are in Thailand, so respect their laws.

I have no idea how he sustained the injuries, but others will no doubt be sure the BiB bashed him. Time may tell on that point.

It's not difficult to do the right thing, so don't bleat about victimless crime, minor breach, breach of no consequence, etc.

If your visa requires border runs, do them. They're part of the price you pay to stay in Thailand.

I see, time and again, posts looking to short circuit the visa requirements. Just comply.

Circular reasoning, and completely pathetic.

So if there weren't so many overstayers, people could overstay with impunity??

So many little policemen and hall monitors about...bet you had a lot of friends in school...

What an absurd contention!!

If there were no overstayers, there would be no overstayers to round up.

I suggest the new laws on overstaying were enacted because so many foreigners have chosen to treat Thai laws with impunity.

Imagine you're at home, wherever that is, and there are thousands of Asians, or middle easterners, many of them deadbeats living cheap, occasionally committing crime, living in your country illegally. Would you be bitching and happy that the police were rounding them up? No need to answer.

Edited March 5, 2016 by F4UCorsair

[ggt]

Ever so often ...opportunity knocks...and the police get to express their true feelings for farangs...

[Walter Travolta]

This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence.

Overstaying is NOT a victimless offence. This guy is a victim of others overstaying. Others will be victims of his overstaying.

Authorities are sick to death of those who have no regard or respect for Thai laws, so throw offenders in the pen. You are in Thailand, so respect their laws.

I have no idea how he sustained the injuries, but others will no doubt be sure the BiB bashed him. Time may tell on that point.

It's not difficult to do the right thing, so don't bleat about victimless crime, minor breach, breach of no consequence, etc.

If your visa requires border runs, do them. They're part of the price you pay to stay in Thailand.

I see, time and again, posts looking to short circuit the visa requirements. Just comply.

Circular reasoning, and completely pathetic.

So if there weren't so many overstayers, people could overstay with impunity??

So many little policemen and hall monitors about...bet you had a lot of friends in school...

What an absurd contention!!

If there were no overstayers, there would be no overstayers to round up.

I suggest the new laws on overstaying were enacted because so many foreigners have chosen to treat Thai laws with impunity.

Imagine you're at home, wherever that is, and there are thousands of Asians, or middle easterners, many of them deadbeats living cheap, occasionally committing crime, living in your country illegally. Would you be bitching and happy that the police were rounding them up? No need to answer.

Very poor comparison

[HikeFromLA]

There have been a number of foreigners very badly beaten in jail here. A British man was beaten to death in Pattaya Prison last year. The police or Corrections Dept always say he injured himself after having a fit. This "explains" the numerous bruises.

A Thai (middle class, not that it matters) once said to me, prisoners in Thailand have no rights at all.

I very much doubt the duty of care principle is applied here.

And the reason for this particular man's incarceration seems extremely petty. That is the risk everyone without connections runs, Thai or foreigner, here. You might have a car accident tomorrow and be locked up for a night with the colloquial murderers and rapists while waiting to be processed.

The way I see it, if he hadn't decided to overstay, he wouldn't have been detained.

I was arrested for a DUI in the States very early on a Saturday morning. After the communal strip search and before transfer to County facilities, most of the time I was in a holding cell with the night's 'colloquials' (?) one of which was a Vietnamese shooter, replete with paper bags tied around his hands to preserve the forensic firearms use evidence. Now who's fault was it that I suddenly had to share a room with a killer (he was subsequently charged, tried, found guilty and locked up)? Anyone?

And yes, I was read my rights very early in the whole, self-inflicted debacle but you know what?... beyond the baloney sandwiches at County, it didn't make me feel any safer or particularly 'cared for.' Being bailed at 6 AM on Monday is one of my career highlights though.

If you were pulled over at an unlawful DUI "checkpoint", without having done anything wrong. in a free American State enjoying Anglo-Saxon Common Law which of course includes the right to travel freely, and also the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty, then NO f'g g'd'mit it was not your "fault". You HAD no fault, except lacking the seykhl (street smarts) to avoid becoming a victim of today's Bandits In Blue.

if you have no knowledge of your ancestral rights, well we all have our faults. But for God's sake shut up and do not encourage others to acquiesce as sweetly as you do. You can take the Boy off the Plantation, but DAMN is it hard to take the plantation out of the Boy. I am not saying one has to fight back when faced with force majeure. I am just saying one doesn't have to like it.

[Enoon]

Any bets on the course that the "conversation" on this thread takes, when the mans name is released?

[thaidrew]

I think the whole point here is that in any civilised country the police would have some responsibility of care for persons being detained, l realise that is a joke here.

Whether the person detained is guilty of overstay or not is really not the issue.

[connda]

So, it seems now that an expired visa can be potentially fatal. Probably bridge playing too unless you sign a confession.

[connda]

He was accused of possessing an expired visa in his passport.

Oh #$%^ I have several expired visas in my passport.

I have one that hasn't expired, but I guess this guy didn't have.

Yes, seems pretty bad injury from a fall, but on the the other hand, why would he be "mishandled" if the only crime was an expired visa?

Let's hope he recovers and can explain what happened.

If he survives his stay in the hospital, I'd be very interested in hearing his side of the story.

[MockingJay]

Another low in the "Thais would never do such a thing" era...

[smotherb]

This is tragic, this poor guys only offence is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody. Whatt happened to this guy must be dream come true for people who vilify fellow foreigners who over stay. Visa sub forum here is full of posters calling for harsh punishment for foreigners who have over stayd, a very minor, victimless offence.

If he was beaten in jail, it could have come from the police or the inmates, but I doubt it was a reaction to his overstay--more likely his attitude.

However, to say, " . . . this poor guys only offence (sic) is not leaving the country, he didn't harm anybody . . . "

I can't believe that so many of you actually think it is no big deal to violate the laws of a country in which you stay. Yeah, sure, over-stayers don't harm anybody--but gee, I wonder why the overstay penalties are becoming more strict and all current immigration laws are being more strictly enforced?

[Linden]

Never say that won't happen to me..

It could happen to anyone anyday in this place.

[Tolley]

The guy done something silly and ended up in jail.

Jails are dangerous places.

Don't put yourself in a position where you will end up in jail... Simple!!

No its not simple! Many people end up in jail here when they have done absolutely nothing!!

Absolutely correct.

As I mentioned before with the new crackdown on tourists and visas you could be taken into custody because you don't have your passport with you.

Stuck in a dirty rotten stinking cesspool where even a couple of hours could turn into a disaster like the OPs.