So what did the Brexit supporters gain?

[GuestHouse]

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Edited June 25, 2016 by GuestHouse

[koolkarl]

End of muslims flooding into Britain and no longer dictated to by EC.

What a disgusting use of words and comment!

Perhaps if you had done your research on main reasons why Brexit happened, you wouldn't write such a comment or

maybe you are a muslim.

[ljd1308]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly

I wanted the UK to leave because I was fed up with London being full of Turks, Hungarians, Polish, Syrians, all working for peanuts and driving up housing and local government prices.

Britain should be full of people with British passports who speak English as their native tongue, at work and at home.

Foreigners are welcome for a two week holiday, but don't outstay that welcome.

If there are to be any immigrants, let those be the spouse and family of people with British passports.

Let a Polish family with no blood ties to the UK in, but exclude the Thai wife of a British man with a British child ....... total madness.

Free NHS healthcare for a Portuguese family working cheaply in the UK, but no free healthcare for a UK Expat who paid in all his life then made the mistake of living overseas for a year or two after he/she retired ....... insanity of the highest order.

Yet London voted to stay in....

If what you say is true in the bolded bit, how can all these people afford to live in the housing and pay the government prices they have driven up if they have less money for you because they are working for peanuts? It doesn't seem to follow that someone working for less money than you are has more money than you to pay for things.

Either they were extremely frugal and are living off savings from their homeland, or what you say doesn't actually make sense and is the exact type of scare mongering that prompted people to vote out without all the facts.....it is one or the other.

I am also not sure why it is insanity of the highest order to give health care to current tax paying residents than it does to non residents who choose to live over seas.

What is the cut off percentage of your life you need to have lived in the UK to receive benefits? My guess it is difficult to come up with an equitable amount and also without health care for current residents what is the point of having an NHS?

[ljd1308]

End of muslims flooding into Britain and no longer dictated to by EC.

What a disgusting use of words and comment!

Perhaps if you had done your research on main reasons why Brexit happened, you wouldn't write such a comment or

maybe you are a muslim.

Perhaps you should have...or perhaps you can explain how this is "End of muslims flooding into Britain"?

Do you realise some of the biggest promoters in the leave campaign were doing it so they can get more Asian immigrants? They just don't want eastern European immigrants.....that is the only thing it will have an affect on.

[Berty100]

End of muslims flooding into Britain and no longer dictated to by EC.

What a disgusting use of words and comment!

Perhaps if you had done your research on main reasons why Brexit happened, you wouldn't write such a comment or

maybe you are a muslim.

Perhaps you should have...or perhaps you can explain how this is "End of muslims flooding into Britain"?

Do you realise some of the biggest promoters in the leave campaign were doing it so they can get more Asian immigrants? They just don't want eastern European immigrants.....that is the only thing it will have an affect on.

In short, they don't want immigrants that come to work, only those who come to profit. Now who is gonna be the dupe of that?

[Caps]

End of muslims flooding into Britain and no longer dictated to by EC.

What a disgusting use of words and comment!

Perhaps if you had done your research on main reasons why Brexit happened, you wouldn't write such a comment or

maybe you are a muslim.

Perhaps you should have...or perhaps you can explain how this is "End of muslims flooding into Britain"?

Do you realise some of the biggest promoters in the leave campaign were doing it so they can get more Asian immigrants? They just don't want eastern European immigrants.....that is the only thing it will have an affect on.

Asian doesn't mean Muslim and why not take immigrants from the old commonwealth countries. Better to have a choice than to be dictated who and how many you will take..is it not?

[ljd1308]

Asian doesn't mean Muslim and why not take immigrants from the old commonwealth countries. Better to have a choice than to be dictated who and how many you will take..is it not?

No but the majority of Muslims are Asian and staying or leaving the EU has nothing to do with Muslim immigration, that is just misleading advertising from the Leave campaign....like almost all of it.

You may be right it is possible to decide for "yourselves", but who is going to decide? Will you have a referendum for everyone applying to live in Britain or will you just have a different set of people deciding the rules for you?

Going further, why does it matter to you personally who is living in Britain? You(presumably) have left for a better life for yourself in Thailand, how is that different to anyone else leaving their country for a better life in Britain?

[ljd1308]

Better to have someone you voted for democratically deciding the rules rather than some muppet in Brussels who you didn't vote for and don't try telling me they are voted for democratically because they are not....they are voted for by MEP's, the UK didn't want Juncker and he was the only nominee any way....so...how is that democratic? Don't say we voted for the MEP's, yes we did...we also vote for all the councillors in the House of Parliament...so should they vote on a new PM? Is that democratic...nope

But all you are doing in the "new" system is voting for your government to choose other people to make the decisions for you, exactly the same as currently happens.

Currently - You vote for your government, your elected government then appoints MEP's to represent them in the EU, the EU then makes decisions.

Proposed - You vote for your government, your elected government then appoints people to make the decisions.

So basically, you elect the government and they choose people who decide for you. The only difference is the location, it will now be London where once it was Brussels.

That may be the biggest issue for you and the ever so slight changes I have described could be exactly what you want, but to me if that is the main reason for leaving the EU it seems like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Personally I would look at the financial and personal costs of staying or leaving which from what I have seen/read seems to suggest it is overwhelmingly beneficial to stay, but I do understand for some people it is more important where their bureaucrats are located.

[overherebc]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly

I wanted the UK to leave because I was fed up with London being full of Turks, Hungarians, Polish, Syrians, all working for peanuts and driving up housing and local government prices.

Britain should be full of people with British passports who speak English as their native tongue, at work and at home.

Foreigners are welcome for a two week holiday, but don't outstay that welcome.

If there are to be any immigrants, let those be the spouse and family of people with British passports.

Let a Polish family with no blood ties to the UK in, but exclude the Thai wife of a British man with a British child ....... total madness.

Free NHS healthcare for a Portuguese family working cheaply in the UK, but no free healthcare for a UK Expat who paid in all his life then made the mistake of living overseas for a year or two after he/she retired ....... insanity of the highest order.

Yet London voted to stay in....

If what you say is true in the bolded bit, how can all these people afford to live in the housing and pay the government prices they have driven up if they have less money for you because they are working for peanuts? It doesn't seem to follow that someone working for less money than you are has more money than you to pay for things.

Either they were extremely frugal and are living off savings from their homeland, or what you say doesn't actually make sense and is the exact type of scare mongering that prompted people to vote out without all the facts.....it is one or the other.

I am also not sure why it is insanity of the highest order to give health care to current tax paying residents than it does to non residents who choose to live over seas.

What is the cut off percentage of your life you need to have lived in the UK to receive benefits? My guess it is difficult to come up with an equitable amount and also without health care for current residents what is the point of having an NHS?

You have to pay taxes and contribute to National insurance for 30 years to get you miserable pension they reluctantly give you.

Meanwhile the government has to fork out a lot of money every year to help other Europeans and immigrants who have never paid a penny to UK.

I resent the fact that they are entitled to more than me as I contributed more than 30 years dues and others like me are told the pensions are costing the UK too much now.

[ljd1308]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly

I wanted the UK to leave because I was fed up with London being full of Turks, Hungarians, Polish, Syrians, all working for peanuts and driving up housing and local government prices.

Britain should be full of people with British passports who speak English as their native tongue, at work and at home.

Foreigners are welcome for a two week holiday, but don't outstay that welcome.

If there are to be any immigrants, let those be the spouse and family of people with British passports.

Let a Polish family with no blood ties to the UK in, but exclude the Thai wife of a British man with a British child ....... total madness.

Free NHS healthcare for a Portuguese family working cheaply in the UK, but no free healthcare for a UK Expat who paid in all his life then made the mistake of living overseas for a year or two after he/she retired ....... insanity of the highest order.

Yet London voted to stay in....

If what you say is true in the bolded bit, how can all these people afford to live in the housing and pay the government prices they have driven up if they have less money for you because they are working for peanuts? It doesn't seem to follow that someone working for less money than you are has more money than you to pay for things.

Either they were extremely frugal and are living off savings from their homeland, or what you say doesn't actually make sense and is the exact type of scare mongering that prompted people to vote out without all the facts.....it is one or the other.

I am also not sure why it is insanity of the highest order to give health care to current tax paying residents than it does to non residents who choose to live over seas.

What is the cut off percentage of your life you need to have lived in the UK to receive benefits? My guess it is difficult to come up with an equitable amount and also without health care for current residents what is the point of having an NHS?

You have to pay taxes and contribute to National insurance for 30 years to get you miserable pension they reluctantly give you.

Meanwhile the government has to fork out a lot of money every year to help other Europeans and immigrants who have never paid a penny to UK.

I resent the fact that they are entitled to more than me as I contributed more than 30 years dues and others like me are told the pensions are costing the UK too much now.

How much did you pay into your pension on average each year of the 30 years?

When you were 25 and living in the UK surely you were entitled to benefits(if you met the criteria) without having to pay taxes for 30 years?

What about young kids who were born in the UK, if they haven't put a penny in to NI should they get government benefits?

[Caps]

Better to have someone you voted for democratically deciding the rules rather than some muppet in Brussels who you didn't vote for and don't try telling me they are voted for democratically because they are not....they are voted for by MEP's, the UK didn't want Juncker and he was the only nominee any way....so...how is that democratic? Don't say we voted for the MEP's, yes we did...we also vote for all the councillors in the House of Parliament...so should they vote on a new PM? Is that democratic...nope

But all you are doing in the "new" system is voting for your government to choose other people to make the decisions for you, exactly the same as currently happens.

Currently - You vote for your government, your elected government then appoints MEP's to represent them in the EU, the EU then makes decisions.

Proposed - You vote for your government, your elected government then appoints people to make the decisions.

So basically, you elect the government and they choose people who decide for you. The only difference is the location, it will now be London where once it was Brussels.

That may be the biggest issue for you and the ever so slight changes I have described could be exactly what you want, but to me if that is the main reason for leaving the EU it seems like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Personally I would look at the financial and personal costs of staying or leaving which from what I have seen/read seems to suggest it is overwhelmingly beneficial to stay, but I do understand for some people it is more important where their bureaucrats are located.

Yep, if you like being a Brussels whipping boy then fine, a lot of people didn't.

As for financial problems, they will sort themselves out in time

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk whilst drinking a cold beer

[ljd1308]

Better to have someone you voted for democratically deciding the rules rather than some muppet in Brussels who you didn't vote for and don't try telling me they are voted for democratically because they are not....they are voted for by MEP's, the UK didn't want Juncker and he was the only nominee any way....so...how is that democratic? Don't say we voted for the MEP's, yes we did...we also vote for all the councillors in the House of Parliament...so should they vote on a new PM? Is that democratic...nope

But all you are doing in the "new" system is voting for your government to choose other people to make the decisions for you, exactly the same as currently happens.

Currently - You vote for your government, your elected government then appoints MEP's to represent them in the EU, the EU then makes decisions.

Proposed - You vote for your government, your elected government then appoints people to make the decisions.

So basically, you elect the government and they choose people who decide for you. The only difference is the location, it will now be London where once it was Brussels.

That may be the biggest issue for you and the ever so slight changes I have described could be exactly what you want, but to me if that is the main reason for leaving the EU it seems like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Personally I would look at the financial and personal costs of staying or leaving which from what I have seen/read seems to suggest it is overwhelmingly beneficial to stay, but I do understand for some people it is more important where their bureaucrats are located.

Yep, if you like being a Brussels whipping boy then fine, a lot of people didn't.

As for financial problems, they will sort themselves out in time

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk whilst drinking a cold beer

That's kinda what i am saying, it is either a Brussels "whipping boy" or a London one.....to me it doesn't make enough difference in which one to take such drastic risks.

Obviously you are more willing to take that risk and despite how against it I am, I hope somehow you are right.

[DUS]

Yep, if you like being a Brussels whipping boy then fine, a lot of people didn't.

As for financial problems, they will sort themselves out in time

I like your optimism! Even though most people, I assume, would rather call it naivety ...

Edited June 25, 2016 by DUS

[Caps]

Yep, if you like being a Brussels whipping boy then fine, a lot of people didn't.

As for financial problems, they will sort themselves out in time

I like your optimism! Even though most people, I assume, would rather call it naivety ...

Call it what you like...its happened...get on with it which ever way it pans out, 2nd referendum, no article 50 given, fresh negotiations, leaving...only time will tell

Edited June 25, 2016 by Caps

[i claudius]

As a 27 year old Brit, the future of Britain is mine.

Except a load of poorly educated, middle aged racists have made the future oh so more sketchy.

Well done.

As one of the few young Brits on this forum, I feel for you. All the news reports that I have seen indicate that young Brits like yourself voted overwhelmingly to remain. It's the older folks who voted in the other direction. The thing is, it's the young who's going to have to deal with the fallout for much longer. It just doesn't seem fair.

We voted to be in a common market,they lied ,we have had to deal with that lie for all these years,It just wasn't fair, now we have had a chance to leave the lie Edited June 25, 2016 by i claudius

[Berkshire]

As a 27 year old Brit, the future of Britain is mine.

Except a load of poorly educated, middle aged racists have made the future oh so more sketchy.

Well done.

As one of the few young Brits on this forum, I feel for you. All the news reports that I have seen indicate that young Brits like yourself voted overwhelmingly to remain. It's the older folks who voted in the other direction. The thing is, it's the young who's going to have to deal with the fallout for much longer. It just doesn't seem fair.

Not fair you say?

There's no such thing as a Free Lunch and the sooner you Nanny Staters get a grasp of that fact - Socialsim is a great form of government until somebody else's money runs out, eh?

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” – Winston Churchill

You're very much like your hero D. Trump. You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

[overherebc]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly

I wanted the UK to leave because I was fed up with London being full of Turks, Hungarians, Polish, Syrians, all working for peanuts and driving up housing and local government prices.

Britain should be full of people with British passports who speak English as their native tongue, at work and at home.

Foreigners are welcome for a two week holiday, but don't outstay that welcome.

If there are to be any immigrants, let those be the spouse and family of people with British passports.

Let a Polish family with no blood ties to the UK in, but exclude the Thai wife of a British man with a British child ....... total madness.

Free NHS healthcare for a Portuguese family working cheaply in the UK, but no free healthcare for a UK Expat who paid in all his life then made the mistake of living overseas for a year or two after he/she retired ....... insanity of the highest order.

Yet London voted to stay in....

If what you say is true in the bolded bit, how can all these people afford to live in the housing and pay the government prices they have driven up if they have less money for you because they are working for peanuts? It doesn't seem to follow that someone working for less money than you are has more money than you to pay for things.

Either they were extremely frugal and are living off savings from their homeland, or what you say doesn't actually make sense and is the exact type of scare mongering that prompted people to vote out without all the facts.....it is one or the other.

I am also not sure why it is insanity of the highest order to give health care to current tax paying residents than it does to non residents who choose to live over seas.

What is the cut off percentage of your life you need to have lived in the UK to receive benefits? My guess it is difficult to come up with an equitable amount and also without health care for current residents what is the point of having an NHS?

You have to pay taxes and contribute to National insurance for 30 years to get you miserable pension they reluctantly give you.

Meanwhile the government has to fork out a lot of money every year to help other Europeans and immigrants who have never paid a penny to UK.

I resent the fact that they are entitled to more than me as I contributed more than 30 years dues and others like me are told the pensions are costing the UK too much now.

How much did you pay into your pension on average each year of the 30 years?

When you were 25 and living in the UK surely you were entitled to benefits(if you met the criteria) without having to pay taxes for 30 years?

What about young kids who were born in the UK, if they haven't put a penny in to NI should they get government benefits?

Of all that I earned I paid approx 30% of it to the government.

During the time I ran my own company a bit more.

PS.

When I was twenty five I was running down the Shankhill Road with a funny black and green outfit on and a rifle in my hands.

[GuestHouse]

Coming up: "Britain takes control of it's borders"

But like every other Brexit promise the reality is shy of the promise.

So look forward to:

France decides the UK can provide it's own border controls and stops preventing people who want to leave Calais for Dover from doing so.

[MissAndry]

How much did you pay into your pension on average each year of the 30 years?

The UK state pension costs around 20% of an average working persons salary per year.

(10% employee contribution + 10% employer contribution)

Essentially your employer recoups his 10% by paying you less.

Women used to get a free pass for 19 years if they had a baby (but only once).

Unemployed get a free pass for each year they sign on.

[ljd1308]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly

I wanted the UK to leave because I was fed up with London being full of Turks, Hungarians, Polish, Syrians, all working for peanuts and driving up housing and local government prices.

Britain should be full of people with British passports who speak English as their native tongue, at work and at home.

Foreigners are welcome for a two week holiday, but don't outstay that welcome.

If there are to be any immigrants, let those be the spouse and family of people with British passports.

Let a Polish family with no blood ties to the UK in, but exclude the Thai wife of a British man with a British child ....... total madness.

Free NHS healthcare for a Portuguese family working cheaply in the UK, but no free healthcare for a UK Expat who paid in all his life then made the mistake of living overseas for a year or two after he/she retired ....... insanity of the highest order.

Yet London voted to stay in....

If what you say is true in the bolded bit, how can all these people afford to live in the housing and pay the government prices they have driven up if they have less money for you because they are working for peanuts? It doesn't seem to follow that someone working for less money than you are has more money than you to pay for things.

Either they were extremely frugal and are living off savings from their homeland, or what you say doesn't actually make sense and is the exact type of scare mongering that prompted people to vote out without all the facts.....it is one or the other.

I am also not sure why it is insanity of the highest order to give health care to current tax paying residents than it does to non residents who choose to live over seas.

What is the cut off percentage of your life you need to have lived in the UK to receive benefits? My guess it is difficult to come up with an equitable amount and also without health care for current residents what is the point of having an NHS?

You have to pay taxes and contribute to National insurance for 30 years to get you miserable pension they reluctantly give you.

Meanwhile the government has to fork out a lot of money every year to help other Europeans and immigrants who have never paid a penny to UK.

I resent the fact that they are entitled to more than me as I contributed more than 30 years dues and others like me are told the pensions are costing the UK too much now.

How much did you pay into your pension on average each year of the 30 years?

When you were 25 and living in the UK surely you were entitled to benefits(if you met the criteria) without having to pay taxes for 30 years?

What about young kids who were born in the UK, if they haven't put a penny in to NI should they get government benefits?

Of all that I earned I paid approx 30% of it to the government.

During the time I ran my own company a bit more.

PS.

When I was twenty five I was running down the Shankhill Road with a funny black and green outfit on and a rifle in my hands.

I should have been more specific, I really meant how much was paid in NI. I believe(not 100% sure) that NI is 12% of your income.

So if you pay 12% of your income for 30 years, will you live off that 12% for the next 30 in retirement? That is why pensions are costing so much, there are many varied reasons for it but the simple fact is that due to the population boom after ww2 many more people are now at retirement age as a percentage of the population which means that there are not enough people currently working and paying NI/tax to support the current pensioners.

A simple solution to this would actually be to increase the working(and tax paying) population of Britain, the more people paying in now, the less pressure on the pension fund.

There are no doubt other ways to increase funding for pensions, but this seems to be going in the opposite direction.

My guess is that by reducing the immigration(and therefore tax collected) and reducing the production of Britain as a whole will in fact make the very situation that you want to avoid more of a reality.

A minor issue is people taking out when they shouldn't, but that applies to people born and raised in Britain as well as people who have just gotten off the boats.

[elgordo38]

Firstly this should never have gone to a referendum. To allow ill-informed individuals to vote on such a complicated matter was always going to be a mistake. With very little economic reasons to leave it was always going to come down to emotion and the scare mongering of the Leave campaign meant that Bridget and Geoff in Sunderland thought the UK was going to be overrun by immigrants and voted accordingly

I wanted the UK to leave because I was fed up with London being full of Turks, Hungarians, Polish, Syrians, all working for peanuts and driving up housing and local government prices.

Britain should be full of people with British passports who speak English as their native tongue, at work and at home.

Foreigners are welcome for a two week holiday, but don't outstay that welcome.

If there are to be any immigrants, let those be the spouse and family of people with British passports.

Let a Polish family with no blood ties to the UK in, but exclude the Thai wife of a British man with a British child ....... total madness.

Free NHS healthcare for a Portuguese family working cheaply in the UK, but no free healthcare for a UK Expat who paid in all his life then made the mistake of living overseas for a year or two after he/she retired ....... insanity of the highest order.

Yet London voted to stay in....

If what you say is true in the bolded bit, how can all these people afford to live in the housing and pay the government prices they have driven up if they have less money for you because they are working for peanuts? It doesn't seem to follow that someone working for less money than you are has more money than you to pay for things.

Either they were extremely frugal and are living off savings from their homeland, or what you say doesn't actually make sense and is the exact type of scare mongering that prompted people to vote out without all the facts.....it is one or the other.

I am also not sure why it is insanity of the highest order to give health care to current tax paying residents than it does to non residents who choose to live over seas.

What is the cut off percentage of your life you need to have lived in the UK to receive benefits? My guess it is difficult to come up with an equitable amount and also without health care for current residents what is the point of having an NHS?

You have to pay taxes and contribute to National insurance for 30 years to get you miserable pension they reluctantly give you.

Meanwhile the government has to fork out a lot of money every year to help other Europeans and immigrants who have never paid a penny to UK.

I resent the fact that they are entitled to more than me as I contributed more than 30 years dues and others like me are told the pensions are costing the UK too much now.

They are all playing this miserly game now. I agree we paid for years for a pension and immigrants waltz in and get almost the same benefit we do after years of working it definitely sucks. They contribute little till the 2nd and 3rd generation they are only incubators for the future(if there is one). After the 2nd and 3rd generations see how easy the money flows well it kills any incentive they had to get an education and a meaningful non McDonalds type of job. Yes governments would have us believe these pensions are a benevolent gift sorry they are an entitlement. Governments are looking in every nook and cranny to try and squeeze out a buck and we pensioners are constantly under the microscope. We have outlived our usefulness it seems. They want us to help pay for decades of mismanagement and importation of immigrants. I am sure Dodgy Dave will kiss the PM's job goodbye in October and collect his generous pension immediately. I am sure the large corporations are already lining up with their checkbooks out to hire him( at many times his present stepping stone salary) to advance their agenda in English political circles. Before his life is over he will be a double and triple dipper into the pension system. Shame on him and shame on the Brits for allowing this BS to happen.

[uptheos]

Most Brexiters are hiding under the Duvet today thinking "what the heck happened, how do we do this now?"

Basically, Europe are saying "OK you voted, now you're out pack your bags and get going, we don't need you any more"

Edited June 25, 2016 by uptheos

[elgordo38]

As a 27 year old Brit, the future of Britain is mine.

Except a load of poorly educated, middle aged racists have made the future oh so more sketchy.

Well done.

As one of the few young Brits on this forum, I feel for you. All the news reports that I have seen indicate that young Brits like yourself voted overwhelmingly to remain. It's the older folks who voted in the other direction. The thing is, it's the young who's going to have to deal with the fallout for much longer. It just doesn't seem fair.

Not fair you say?

There's no such thing as a Free Lunch and the sooner you Nanny Staters get a grasp of that fact - Socialsim is a great form of government until somebody else's money runs out, eh?

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” – Winston Churchill

You're very much like your hero D. Trump. You really have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

Berkshire have you not met Mr. Nanny State? He crops up here from time to time and hurls insults and then scurries back to his man cave/rock. Mr. Nanny State should remember that we are not all equally created capitalists a lot of us struggled through life consuming as we went along. He is also one of those "There is no free lunch guys" He has no pity or apathy for his fellow man and we are definitely not all created equal. He has a lower education as he cannot spell Socialism right and I suspect he is a big lottery winner and thus feels that he can look down on us. As far as somebody else's money running out it will never happen just look at the stats the rich are getting richer by leaps and bounds by stealing from the poor and middle class. The rich better leave a few bucks in the pockets of the poor even taxpayer dollars or the poor will have no money to buy all the expensive crap that the rich produce and it will just run off of the assembly line and pile up on the floor.

[ljd1308]

They are all playing this miserly game now. I agree we paid for years for a pension and immigrants waltz in and get almost the same benefit we do after years of working it definitely sucks. They contribute little till the 2nd and 3rd generation they are only incubators for the future(if there is one). After the 2nd and 3rd generations see how easy the money flows well it kills any incentive they had to get an education and a meaningful non McDonalds type of job. Yes governments would have us believe these pensions are a benevolent gift sorry they are an entitlement. Governments are looking in every nook and cranny to try and squeeze out a buck and we pensioners are constantly under the microscope. We have outlived our usefulness it seems. They want us to help pay for decades of mismanagement and importation of immigrants. I am sure Dodgy Dave will kiss the PM's job goodbye in October and collect his generous pension immediately. I am sure the large corporations are already lining up with their checkbooks out to hire him( at many times his present stepping stone salary) to advance their agenda in English political circles. Before his life is over he will be a double and triple dipper into the pension system. Shame on him and shame on the Brits for allowing this BS to happen.

You have to pay taxes and contribute to National insurance for 30 years to get you miserable pension they reluctantly give you.

Meanwhile the government has to fork out a lot of money every year to help other Europeans and immigrants who have never paid a penny to UK.

I resent the fact that they are entitled to more than me as I contributed more than 30 years dues and others like me are told the pensions are costing the UK too much now.

I don't think you quite realise how pensions work, you did not pay for your pension....you paid for your parents pension and your children will pay for yours. It is not an entitlement, the only entitlement would be to get back what you put in, so if you put in 12% of your salary for 30 years, enjoy living off that 12% now.

If you want your pension to increase, you need to increase the amount of contributions being made now.

The only way any pension in the world can work is if the contributions continually increase, when the is a population burst(like for example after ww2) when those people start to get to retirement age(like for example now) they actually need and should be campaigning for increased immigration to support their retirement......that is how government pensions work.

[mfd101]

They are all playing this miserly game now. I agree we paid for years for a pension and immigrants waltz in and get almost the same benefit we do after years of working it definitely sucks. They contribute little till the 2nd and 3rd generation they are only incubators for the future(if there is one). After the 2nd and 3rd generations see how easy the money flows well it kills any incentive they had to get an education and a meaningful non McDonalds type of job. Yes governments would have us believe these pensions are a benevolent gift sorry they are an entitlement. Governments are looking in every nook and cranny to try and squeeze out a buck and we pensioners are constantly under the microscope. We have outlived our usefulness it seems. They want us to help pay for decades of mismanagement and importation of immigrants. I am sure Dodgy Dave will kiss the PM's job goodbye in October and collect his generous pension immediately. I am sure the large corporations are already lining up with their checkbooks out to hire him( at many times his present stepping stone salary) to advance their agenda in English political circles. Before his life is over he will be a double and triple dipper into the pension system. Shame on him and shame on the Brits for allowing this BS to happen.

You have to pay taxes and contribute to National insurance for 30 years to get you miserable pension they reluctantly give you.

Meanwhile the government has to fork out a lot of money every year to help other Europeans and immigrants who have never paid a penny to UK.

I resent the fact that they are entitled to more than me as I contributed more than 30 years dues and others like me are told the pensions are costing the UK too much now.

I don't think you quite realise how pensions work, you did not pay for your pension....you paid for your parents pension and your children will pay for yours. It is not an entitlement, the only entitlement would be to get back what you put in, so if you put in 12% of your salary for 30 years, enjoy living off that 12% now.

If you want your pension to increase, you need to increase the amount of contributions being made now.

The only way any pension in the world can work is if the contributions continually increase, when the is a population burst(like for example after ww2) when those people start to get to retirement age(like for example now) they actually need and should be campaigning for increased immigration to support their retirement......that is how government pensions work.

Yes, east Asians [mostly Chinese & Vietnamese] keep pouring into Australia each year as migrants. Their children top the end-of-school exams each year as they head on to university. I welcome them with open arms: they are law-abiding, hard working and their taxes are paying for my comfortable old age.

[metisdead]

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[elliss]

What country will be the next to leave? Denmark? And the next to join? Turkey? In the end, the EU will consist of Germany +eastern europe.

Next to join EU, Scotland ? the latest joke from Scootish lass , aka Mouth and Trousers.

Beyond believe , Scots would give money into the EU coffers , ha ha . and Euro would be Scotlands currency .

What about manning the Scottish borders , on a National express trip , to Scotland, would have to stop for a border check ??

Jocks , get rid off the mad banchee . ASAP

Britain needs a referendum , remove traitors .

Edited June 25, 2016 by elliss

[William C F Pierce]

What the Exiteers gain? Economic disaster!!! The knock on effects will be greater than the 2008 economic banking crises. I voted to stay. White UK citizens in the UK voted leave to stop coloured ethnic groups. All my Black and Asian friends and neighbours said they voted to leave to stop the White Europeans like the poles arriving to take their jobs. Whites and Blacks thought they were voting against each other, instead they voted with each other to achieve this disaster. I did say this would happen in another thread on 19 June and I am very sad for being right.

At one time there was $4 to £. On the day after the Brexit vote it went from $1.50 to £ down to as low as $1.20. The UK £ is no longer a big enough currency to sustain itself as a benifit in the world's money markets.

Unthinkable before the referendum the Northern Irish are already talking of a referendum to become a United Ireland to stay in Europe. The Scots are talking of another referendum to stay in Europe and join the Euro currency. It was a case of British people voting like Lemmings and not really understanding the consequences of their actions.

[elliss]

Berkshire have you not met Mr. Nanny State? He crops up here from time to time and hurls insults and then scurries back to his man cave/rock. Mr. Nanny State should remember that we are not all equally created capitalists a lot of us struggled through life consuming as we went along.

“The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherent virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.” – Winston Churchill

Socialism , same same , EU membership is OK , as long as you do not run out of , other countries monies . Fact ..

Future President , of the US of A.

Donald Trump. destroy ,our enemies before we are destroyed .

My type of man Survival of the fittest / righteous , ?? Darwins , basic law of Nature ,

Edited June 25, 2016 by elliss

[elgordo38]

They are all playing this miserly game now. I agree we paid for years for a pension and immigrants waltz in and get almost the same benefit we do after years of working it definitely sucks. They contribute little till the 2nd and 3rd generation they are only incubators for the future(if there is one). After the 2nd and 3rd generations see how easy the money flows well it kills any incentive they had to get an education and a meaningful non McDonalds type of job. Yes governments would have us believe these pensions are a benevolent gift sorry they are an entitlement. Governments are looking in every nook and cranny to try and squeeze out a buck and we pensioners are constantly under the microscope. We have outlived our usefulness it seems. They want us to help pay for decades of mismanagement and importation of immigrants. I am sure Dodgy Dave will kiss the PM's job goodbye in October and collect his generous pension immediately. I am sure the large corporations are already lining up with their checkbooks out to hire him( at many times his present stepping stone salary) to advance their agenda in English political circles. Before his life is over he will be a double and triple dipper into the pension system. Shame on him and shame on the Brits for allowing this BS to happen.

You have to pay taxes and contribute to National insurance for 30 years to get you miserable pension they reluctantly give you.

Meanwhile the government has to fork out a lot of money every year to help other Europeans and immigrants who have never paid a penny to UK.

I resent the fact that they are entitled to more than me as I contributed more than 30 years dues and others like me are told the pensions are costing the UK too much now.

I don't think you quite realise how pensions work, you did not pay for your pension....you paid for your parents pension and your children will pay for yours. It is not an entitlement, the only entitlement would be to get back what you put in, so if you put in 12% of your salary for 30 years, enjoy living off that 12% now.

If you want your pension to increase, you need to increase the amount of contributions being made now.

The only way any pension in the world can work is if the contributions continually increase, when the is a population burst(like for example after ww2) when those people start to get to retirement age(like for example now) they actually need and should be campaigning for increased immigration to support their retirement......that is how government pensions work.

I saved for my retirement not someone elses your thinking is flawed. My pension was bases on MY contributions and MY years of service. When my hard earned money goes into a plan it is sure an entitlement. If it is what you describe well we call that a Ponzi scheme.