90 Day Non O Visa To Stay With Thai Wife

[davesmithe]

Hi there, I'm a UK Citizen (under 50), recently married to my Thai wife.

Up until this point I have been visiting her on a Double/Triple entry Tourist visa.

On this occasion, I arrived in Bangkok from Japan without a Tourist visa and was given 30 days on arrival, however, Immigration staff made it clear that I need to get a 90 Day Non O visa if I wish to

visit my wife in Thailand again which I totally understand.

With that said, I am trying to determine if its possible to obtain the required certification of my monthly income at the British Embassy in Kuala Lumpur rather than flying back home to the UK.

Any input from experienced members would be most welcome.

Thank you

[crazygreg44]

a Multi-entry Non-Imm-O visa, on the base of being married to a Thai wife, will give you 12 months stay permit all in all. You firstly stay for 90 days, then extend this by 2 more months on any immigration. Actually it gives you 5 months of stay before you have to do a border run and activate another 90 days on return.

All is understood, that, If you do not intend to apply for the one year extension on base of marriage, then you just have to show the original marriage certificates upon application and some financial proof, like a bankbook. No need to be accompanied by wife. No 400.000 THB needed in the bank and also no other paperwork, no other documents.

As these bulks of documents are only needed if you apply for the one-year extension based on marriage, after having arrived in Thailand.

My understanding is that you can obtain a Multi-entry Non-Imm-O on the base of being married to a Thai, in any Thai consulate outside of Thailand, i.e. it's neighbouring countries. However I am not sure if this is the case and there being no need to return to the home country. Some other posters here might help

[davesmithe]

Thanks Greg, on the Malaysian Thai Embassy website I see a requirement of THB 100,000 but it doesn't specify if that's in a UK Bank or Thai Bank account.

On the UK website it says to provide proof of a salary, which I can do no problem, just curious if the rules are different outside of the UK.

Appreciate your time

[elviajero]

Thanks Greg, on the Malaysian Thai Embassy website I see a requirement of THB 100,000 but it doesn't specify if that's in a UK Bank or Thai Bank account.

On the UK website it says to provide proof of a salary, which I can do no problem, just curious if the rules are different outside of the UK.

Appreciate your time

The Thai Embassy in KL is not a good place to get any visa from. They usually require far more than the locations.

If you want a multiple non 'O' visa based on marriage the best place is Savannakhet, Laos as they do not require any financial proof.

[crazygreg44]

yes, when i wrote "some financial proof", i meant that despite it being handled differently from consulate to consulate, then still a certification of monthly income perfectly helps and will be accepted. Also a bank book with some cash like 100,000 THB is ok, but the income certificate that prooves the money comes from overseas is sufficient.

The bank book can either be a Thai bank or an U.K. bank

[davesmithe]

Thanks Greg, on the Malaysian Thai Embassy website I see a requirement of THB 100,000 but it doesn't specify if that's in a UK Bank or Thai Bank account.

On the UK website it says to provide proof of a salary, which I can do no problem, just curious if the rules are different outside of the UK.

Appreciate your time

The Thai Embassy in KL is not a good place to get any visa from. They usually require far more than the locations.

If you want a multiple non 'O' visa based on marriage the best place is Savannakhet, Laos as they do not require any financial proof.

Does the same apply for the initial 90 day application? this is the first time I have applied for a Non O.

Happy to go to Laos.

[crazygreg44]

I like to throw in. there is nothing such as an "initial 90 day application". You apply for a Non-Imm-O based on marriage and it is automatically good for 12 months. It's just that you will have to do a border run (and have a re-entry-permit) to activate 90 more days of this 12 month period

when planning to stay a little less than 5 months, shortly before the 90 initial days are over you can extend for 60 more days on any immigration. This will give you 5 months before you have to do a border run.

That's why I suggested a Multi Entry Non-Imm-O as it saves you headaches about buying re-entry permits

from all that i hear & read, the consulate in Savannakhet, Laos seems to be the most convenient & lenient one. And so is Vientiane, Laos.

[elviajero]

Thanks Greg, on the Malaysian Thai Embassy website I see a requirement of THB 100,000 but it doesn't specify if that's in a UK Bank or Thai Bank account.

On the UK website it says to provide proof of a salary, which I can do no problem, just curious if the rules are different outside of the UK.

Appreciate your time

The Thai Embassy in KL is not a good place to get any visa from. They usually require far more than the locations.

If you want a multiple non 'O' visa based on marriage the best place is Savannakhet, Laos as they do not require any financial proof.

Does the same apply for the initial 90 day application? this is the first time I have applied for a Non O.

Happy to go to Laos.

I assume your aim is for a 1 year extension of stay based on marriage, but heres a brief summary of options.

If you are already in Thailand (visa exempt entry) and can deposit 400K in a Thai bank OR can show a certified (by your Embassy in Bangkok) income you can convert your visa exempt entry to a non 'O' visa/entry at Bangkok immigration. This admin process results in a new 90 day non 'O' entry and you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay within the last 30 (maybe 45) days.

If you want a single entry non 'O you can get it in Vientiane or Savannakhet, Loas without any financial proof. This gives a 90 day stay and you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay within the last 30 (maybe 45) days.

If you want or plan to leave regularly you can get a multiple entry non 'O' visa ONLY from Savannakhet without proof of income/funds. You'll need to leave every 90 days, but you can apply for a 60 day or 1 year extension of stay for any 90 day entry.

[davesmithe]

I like to throw in. there is nothing such as an "initial 90 day application". You apply for a Non-Imm-O based on marriage and it is automatically good for 12 months. It's just that you will have to do a border run (and have a re-entry-permit) to activate 90 more days of this 12 month period

when planning to stay a little less than 5 months, shortly before the 90 initial days are over you can extend for 60 more days on any immigration. This will give you 5 months before you have to do a border run.

That's why I suggested a Multi Entry Non-Imm-O as it saves you headaches about buying re-entry permits

from all that i hear & read, the consulate in Savannakhet, Laos seems to be the most convenient & lenient one. And so is Vientiane, Laos.

Gotcha! I'll ask my Wife to give them a ring first thing Monday.

[davesmithe]

Thanks Greg, on the Malaysian Thai Embassy website I see a requirement of THB 100,000 but it doesn't specify if that's in a UK Bank or Thai Bank account.

On the UK website it says to provide proof of a salary, which I can do no problem, just curious if the rules are different outside of the UK.

Appreciate your time

The Thai Embassy in KL is not a good place to get any visa from. They usually require far more than the locations.

If you want a multiple non 'O' visa based on marriage the best place is Savannakhet, Laos as they do not require any financial proof.

Does the same apply for the initial 90 day application? this is the first time I have applied for a Non O.

Happy to go to Laos.

I assume your aim is for a 1 year extension of stay based on marriage, but heres a brief summary of options.

If you are already in Thailand (visa exempt entry) and can deposit 400K in a Thai bank OR can show a certified (by your Embassy in Bangkok) income you can convert your visa exempt entry to a non 'O' visa/entry at Bangkok immigration. This admin process results in a new 90 day non 'O' entry and you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay within the last 30 (maybe 45) days.

If you want a single entry non 'O you can get it in Vientiane or Savannakhet, Loas without any financial proof. This gives a 90 day stay and you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay within the last 30 (maybe 45) days.

If you want or plan to leave regularly you can get a multiple entry non 'O' visa ONLY from Savannakhet without proof of income/funds. You'll need to leave every 90 days, but you can apply for a 60 day or 1 year extension of stay for any 90 day entry.

100% clear now, thank you.

The one remaining question I do have about this part >> OR can show a certified (by your Embassy in Bangkok) income you can convert your visa exempt entry to a non 'O' visa/entry at Bangkok immigration

I called the British Embassy in Bangkok and they mentioned that the only certified income letter they can provide is a Pension related letter (please see below their response)

She said "I would like to confirm that I have received your email dated 29 June 2016 and I will be processing the pension letter for you."

and gave me a link to this document > https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/533886/Pension_01_07_16.pdf

I did explain that I'm not receiving a pension but this seems to be the best they can do.

[elviajero]

I assume your aim is for a 1 year extension of stay based on marriage, but heres a brief summary of options.

If you are already in Thailand (visa exempt entry) and can deposit 400K in a Thai bank OR can show a certified (by your Embassy in Bangkok) income you can convert your visa exempt entry to a non 'O' visa/entry at Bangkok immigration. This admin process results in a new 90 day non 'O' entry and you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay within the last 30 (maybe 45) days.

If you want a single entry non 'O you can get it in Vientiane or Savannakhet, Loas without any financial proof. This gives a 90 day stay and you can apply for a 1 year extension of stay within the last 30 (maybe 45) days.

If you want or plan to leave regularly you can get a multiple entry non 'O' visa ONLY from Savannakhet without proof of income/funds. You'll need to leave every 90 days, but you can apply for a 60 day or 1 year extension of stay for any 90 day entry.

100% clear now, thank you.

The one remaining question I do have about this part >> OR can show a certified (by your Embassy in Bangkok) income you can convert your visa exempt entry to a non 'O' visa/entry at Bangkok immigration

I called the British Embassy in Bangkok and they mentioned that the only certified income letter they can provide is a Pension related letter (please see below their response)

She said "I would like to confirm that I have received your email dated 29 June 2016 and I will be processing the pension letter for you."

and gave me a link to this document > https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/533886/Pension_01_07_16.pdf

I did explain that I'm not receiving a pension but this seems to be the best they can do.

Thai immigration will accept any form of income.

If you look at the UK Embassy link it says "Pension/Income". All you need to do is provide proof of your income whether it is pension, investment, employment etc.

Although they say "pension letter" it is an income letter.

[gandalf12]

Why not go for a Thai wife visa? Then with 90 day reports you can stay 1 year

[ubonjoe]

Why not go for a Thai wife visa? Then with 90 day reports you can stay 1 year

Can you explain what a Thai wife visa is.

Any visa he could get would require leaving every 90 days.

[gandalf12]

Why not go for a Thai wife visa? Then with 90 day reports you can stay 1 year

Can you explain what a Thai wife visa is.

Any visa he could get would require leaving every 90 days.

Thai Wife extension call it what you want. You have a 90 day report but you can stay for 1 year

[Eclipse]

Why not go for a Thai wife visa? Then with 90 day reports you can stay 1 year

Can you explain what a Thai wife visa is.

Any visa he could get would require leaving every 90 days.

Thai Wife extension call it what you want. You have a 90 day report but you can stay for 1 year

Nothing to do with "calling it what you want". It is what it is?

A twelve months extension of your permision to stay for the reason of having a Thai spouse.

[aronp1]

Unless it has changed since 2014, I changed my visa exempt to a 90-day non-o at immigration in Bangkok. No financial proof needed.

[ubonjoe]

Unless it has changed since 2014, I changed my visa exempt to a 90-day non-o at immigration in Bangkok. No financial proof needed.

Financial proof has always been required if applying on the basis of retirement, marriage or being the parent of a Thai.

This from Bangkok immigration website. Requires IE or an extension to emulate it on other browser to find the info here: http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/base.php?page=service#

DOCUMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION FOR VISA OR VISA STATUS ALTERATION (NON-O): FOR A FAMILY MEMBER OF A THAI (APPLICABLE ONLY PARENTS, SPOUSE OR CHILD.

1. The application must be submit at least 15 days before visa expiration and, in case of overstaying in Thailand, application could not be submitted.
2. 1.1 Form TM.86 for the foreigner, who has Tourist and Transit Visa and applies for Visa Status Alteration and applies for non-immigrant visa; or

   1.2 Form TM.87 for the foreigner, who enters into Thailand without visa, but is allowed to stay in Thailand with a permit of stay for a period of 15 day, 30 days, 90 days and applies for non-immigrant visa.

3. A copy of passport pages of the Applicant (for example, personal information page, last entries stamp, visa sticker and extension stamp (if any) and departure card (Form TM.6))
4. Either one 4x6 cm photograph or one 2 inch size photograph
5. 4.Application fee of Baht 2,000
6. 5.1 In case of a Thai citizen, please show: A copy national ID card, a copy of house registration papers and a copy of employee’s or government officer’s ID card;

   5.2 In case of a foreigner with a permit to reside in Thailand or a person who has become a Thai naturalized citizen, please show: residency certificate, alien registration certificate, work permit, a copy of passport and house registration and a copy of documents showing Thai naturalization.

7. 6.1 Evidence proving that the applicant is father, mother or children or birth certificate; or

   6.2 Letter from a government office, embassy or consulate, certifying that the applicant is a member of the referred family; guarantee letter from the Department of Protocol, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Documents under 6.1 and 6.2 must be translated into Thai or English and certified by local or overseas Embassy or Consulate of the foreigner and by the Legalization Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand) (For more information, please call 0-2575-1056-9)

8. In case of father is a foreigner: showing an official notarized document from a court of law certifying that child is biological offspring of the foreign father.
9. The following evidence of income must be submitted.

   8.1 A guarantee letter from the local or overseas Embassy or Consulate, proving the monthly income of the Applicant not less than Baht 40,000* per month; or

   8.2 A guarantee letter in Thai language from the commercial bank in Thailand (Attention: Immigration Commissioner) and a copy of all entries of the applicant’s passbook showing that the applicant has a savings or fixed deposit account of not less than Baht 400,000*(Documents under 8.1and 8.2 must be issued and updated to be the same date of the Application and all documents must be in the Applicant’s name.)

[Suradit69]

Why not go for a Thai wife visa? Then with 90 day reports you can stay 1 year

Can you explain what a Thai wife visa is.

Any visa he could get would require leaving every 90 days.

Thai Wife extension call it what you want. You have a 90 day report but you can stay for 1 year

Calling it what you like is what causes confusion.

What you are talking about is NOT a visa. A multiple-entry non-imm O IS a visa. What you are talking about is an extension of stay based on marriage. They are nothing alike. Applying for the two is entirely different and the conditions for each are entirely different.

[Suradit69]

Unless it has changed since 2014, I changed my visa exempt to a 90-day non-o at immigration in Bangkok. No financial proof needed.

You (may have) changed it to a non-imm O ENTRY, but financial proof would have been required since you are basing your conversion on either evenutally applying for an extension of stay based on marriage or retirement, both of which will require either proof of money in a Thai bank or embassy certified income.

Nothing in that regard has changed since 2014.

[aronp1]

Unless it has changed since 2014, I changed my visa exempt to a 90-day non-o at immigration in Bangkok. No financial proof needed.

Financial proof has always been required if applying on the basis of retirement, marriage or being the parent of a Thai.

This from Bangkok immigration website. Requires IE or an extension to emulate it on other browser to find the info here: http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/base.php?page=service#

DOCUMENTS TO BE SUBMITTED IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION FOR VISA OR VISA STATUS ALTERATION (NON-O): FOR A FAMILY MEMBER OF A THAI (APPLICABLE ONLY PARENTS, SPOUSE OR CHILD.

• The application must be submit at least 15 days before visa expiration and, in case of overstaying in Thailand, application could not be submitted.
• 1.1 Form TM.86 for the foreigner, who has Tourist and Transit Visa and applies for Visa Status Alteration and applies for non-immigrant visa; or

  1.2 Form TM.87 for the foreigner, who enters into Thailand without visa, but is allowed to stay in Thailand with a permit of stay for a period of 15 day, 30 days, 90 days and applies for non-immigrant visa.

• A copy of passport pages of the Applicant (for example, personal information page, last entries stamp, visa sticker and extension stamp (if any) and departure card (Form TM.6))
• Either one 4x6 cm photograph or one 2 inch size photograph
• 4.Application fee of Baht 2,000
• 5.1 In case of a Thai citizen, please show: A copy national ID card, a copy of house registration papers and a copy of employee’s or government officer’s ID card;

  5.2 In case of a foreigner with a permit to reside in Thailand or a person who has become a Thai naturalized citizen, please show: residency certificate, alien registration certificate, work permit, a copy of passport and house registration and a copy of documents showing Thai naturalization.

• 6.1 Evidence proving that the applicant is father, mother or children or birth certificate; or

  6.2 Letter from a government office, embassy or consulate, certifying that the applicant is a member of the referred family; guarantee letter from the Department of Protocol, Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Documents under 6.1 and 6.2 must be translated into Thai or English and certified by local or overseas Embassy or Consulate of the foreigner and by the Legalization Division, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Thailand) (For more information, please call 0-2575-1056-9)

• In case of father is a foreigner: showing an official notarized document from a court of law certifying that child is biological offspring of the foreign father.
• The following evidence of income must be submitted.

  8.1 A guarantee letter from the local or overseas Embassy or Consulate, proving the monthly income of the Applicant not less than Baht 40,000* per month; or

  8.2 A guarantee letter in Thai language from the commercial bank in Thailand (Attention: Immigration Commissioner) and a copy of all entries of the applicant’s passbook showing that the applicant has a savings or fixed deposit account of not less than Baht 400,000*(Documents under 8.1and 8.2 must be issued and updated to be the same date of the Application and all documents must be in the Applicant’s name.)

I guess they just forgot to ask for mine.