Briton in Pattaya arrested for "causing trouble to Thai people" after complaint from army

[sahibji]

587 days overstay. some people have guts.

consider a system whereby alarm bells sound if an over stayer

does banking transaction, rents a vehicle or even visits

a clinic or hospital.ensure that these establishments

like visa verification for visitors to the country.

[Deepinthailand]

So all you squeaky clean ban all overstayers brigade you really hate them for some reason won't speculate why.

Now let's take it one step further although not to far removed so it could easily happen anytime soon. 90 day reports just the same as over staying a visa still a government requirement what if they decided that if you don't report instead of a fine and a slap wrist you got a fine and a overstay of report resulting in deportation and a years ban. Wonder how many then would be so enthusiastic about people getting thrown out. It could happen sooner or later

When you do your 90 day report, you are advised by immigration when your next one is due.

Simple to make a note, and turn up on or before the date advised.

I have not bashed overstayers, but it is common sense to make a note of your next time of reporting or doing a visa run.

It isn't rocket science.

Noone said it was rrocket science but plenty on here bitch about having to do it every 90 days. And laugh at how much the fine is if you don't. Yet the same people sit in moraljudgment of anyone who dares to overstay in there precious guest country. Hypocrisy at its finest

[champken]

I don't know Andy particularly well, in fact I haven't even seen him for at least a couple of years but several years ago he used to socialise in some of the same places I did and I found him to be a thoroughly "good guy" and not in any way like some of the posters on here would have you believe.

Being swindled out of everything you own cant be much fun and with the frustrations of trying to get anything done about it seem to have pushed Andy into losing the plot and to where he is now.

[PomRakBKK]

And the chap has no family or anyone to buy him out? It can't cost THAT much...

Don't know the guy, but I read Andrews site and from the looks of it, the guy really just got taken for a ride and couldn't deal with his temper which isn't really hard to understand if you're taken to the cleaners by some con man.

Another day, another life... just another day in paradise.

[Deepinthailand]

And the chap has no family or anyone to buy him out? It can't cost THAT much...

Don't know the guy, but I read Andrews site and from the looks of it, the guy really just got taken for a ride and couldn't deal with his temper which isn't really hard to understand if you're taken to the cleaners by some con man.

Another day, another life... just another day in paradise.

Funny here how the mood has changed from scum of the earth to poor man got fleeced. Wonder if it would be the same if this was about a thai chap!!

Now onto the guy who has been arrested 2 things strike me.

1. You go into buisness with anyone that included lawyers, accountants, (yes you are going into a buisness agreement with them so they look after your intrests) you do the hard work you do your homework. You see there credentials. You check there credentials twice thrice even. You want to see bookwork going back for as long as they say they have been in buisness. If someone says there ex military ask them for there service number (ANY HESITATION IN REMEMBERING FROM THEM WALK AWAY). If they give you a number check it easy to do nowadays. What I'm saying is all very very simple and easy to do things. If for any slight reason you feel something is not right walk away and find someone else.

2. Seems the guy can't hold his temper then in my opinion he shouldn't have gone into buisness in the first place. He has done what he's done his choices his money. I will stick with what I belive I don't like seeing anyone get slated by posters on here about overstaying and the kick him out brigade. He will no doubt get deported having well and truly unfortunately learnt his lesson. Trust no one belive no one when it comes to buisness matters. You won't go far wrong in this worldthen

[tolsti]

We all know if you upset the wrong people then there is a good chance the law will come down on you and if you think you can fight and win with a bunch of guys that will always have the upper hand then you are kidding yourself if you think you can just talk your way out of such situations.

Even if you some how manage to talk your way out you would have to be a nut case to keep on antagonizing the situation to the point where they just whack you good and then kick you out of the country.

For Exapmple: Anyone in Pattaya know where Tim Sharky is now .....after aggressively confronting the police and publicizing it all over the world.

Just one more example of talking when you should be listening.

Cheers

I do believe Sharky is still tending his soi Dogs in Pattaya and gone anywhere!

Saw him on Sunday going into Central

[alocacoc]

So many Zombies living in Thailand. Crazy.

[neverdie]

Do I care do I ****.

Didn't harm me in any way so I won't hope (if you lot of hang them people) anything to bad for him. He is a human being so a bit of human kindness might not go am us eh

Are you sure?

[Rimmer]

I have removed some posts which were starting to drag the topic off topic and would have lead into keyboards at 20 paces

[suzannegoh]

Drummond has a story on his webpage today that is interesting, he claims that this guy was set up by the real criminals of Pattaya (who cannot be named here).

[Deepinthailand]

Do I care do I ****.

Didn't harm me in any way so I won't hope (if you lot of hang them people) anything to bad for him. He is a human being so a bit of human kindness might not go am us eh

Are you sure?

Yes I'm sure

[neverdie]

I have removed some posts which were starting to drag the topic off topic and would have lead into keyboards at 20 paces

RAIFLAO.

At least it wasn't handbags at 20 !

[Jools]

"Causing trouble to Thai people" sounds vaguely like charges that used to be lodged in the old Soviet Union. "Scaring the Soviet People" Matthias Rust etc. The implication is that only other Thais can abuse Thai people, and they do it so well.

[Rimmer]

Off topic posts removed

[sambum]

So all you squeaky clean ban all overstayers brigade you really hate them for some reason won't speculate why.

Now let's take it one step further although not to far removed so it could easily happen anytime soon. 90 day reports just the same as over staying a visa still a government requirement what if they decided that if you don't report instead of a fine and a slap wrist you got a fine and a overstay of report resulting in deportation and a years ban. Wonder how many then would be so enthusiastic about people getting thrown out. It could happen sooner or later

When you do your 90 day report, you are advised by immigration when your next one is due.

Simple to make a note, and turn up on or before the date advised.

I have not bashed overstayers, but it is common sense to make a note of your next time of reporting or doing a visa run.

It isn't rocket science.

When I do my 90 day report, a piece of paper with the date that my next 90 day report is due is STAPLED into my passport by Immigration, so providing you look at your passport from time to time, barring disasters, there is no reason why the date should be missed.

On the same tack, I thought that as far as the 90 day report was concerned, a certain amount of leeway regarding the due date is normally given by Immigration - I think it may be 10 days either way, but someone on TV may be able to verify this. I have gone to report 2 or 3 days later than the due date before with no problems (e.g. when the due date falls on a weekend).

Edited July 12, 2016 by sambum

[Gang Warily]

And the chap has no family or anyone to buy him out? It can't cost THAT much...

Don't know the guy, but I read Andrews site and from the looks of it, the guy really just got taken for a ride and couldn't deal with his temper which isn't really hard to understand if you're taken to the cleaners by some con man.

Another day, another life... just another day in paradise.

Funny here how the mood has changed from scum of the earth to poor man got fleeced. Wonder if it would be the same if this was about a thai chap!!

Now onto the guy who has been arrested 2 things strike me.

1. You go into buisness with anyone that included lawyers, accountants, (yes you are going into a buisness agreement with them so they look after your intrests) you do the hard work you do your homework. You see there credentials. You check there credentials twice thrice even. You want to see bookwork going back for as long as they say they have been in buisness. If someone says there ex military ask them for there service number (ANY HESITATION IN REMEMBERING FROM THEM WALK AWAY). If they give you a number check it easy to do nowadays. What I'm saying is all very very simple and easy to do things. If for any slight reason you feel something is not right walk away and find someone else.

2. Seems the guy can't hold his temper then in my opinion he shouldn't have gone into buisness in the first place. He has done what he's done his choices his money. I will stick with what I belive I don't like seeing anyone get slated by posters on here about overstaying and the kick him out brigade. He will no doubt get deported having well and truly unfortunately learnt his lesson. Trust no one belive no one when it comes to buisness matters. You won't go far wrong in this worldthen

A Thai 'chap' would not be on overstay, would not be charged with making offences remarks to a farang, or sending offensive emails, and would not hesitate in whacking a farang if he lost his temper. Ir is also unlikely he would be charged unless he was caught on CCTV and it went viral worldwide. I hope that answers your question. What lesson has he learned? One on Thai justice. Nothing else. Glad you think nothing like this can happen to you.

[Deepinthailand]

And the chap has no family or anyone to buy him out? It can't cost THAT much...

Don't know the guy, but I read Andrews site and from the looks of it, the guy really just got taken for a ride and couldn't deal with his temper which isn't really hard to understand if you're taken to the cleaners by some con man.

Another day, another life... just another day in paradise.

Funny here how the mood has changed from scum of the earth to poor man got fleeced. Wonder if it would be the same if this was about a thai chap!!

Now onto the guy who has been arrested 2 things strike me.

1. You go into buisness with anyone that included lawyers, accountants, (yes you are going into a buisness agreement with them so they look after your intrests) you do the hard work you do your homework. You see there credentials. You check there credentials twice thrice even. You want to see bookwork going back for as long as they say they have been in buisness. If someone says there ex military ask them for there service number (ANY HESITATION IN REMEMBERING FROM THEM WALK AWAY). If they give you a number check it easy to do nowadays. What I'm saying is all very very simple and easy to do things. If for any slight reason you feel something is not right walk away and find someone else.

2. Seems the guy can't hold his temper then in my opinion he shouldn't have gone into buisness in the first place. He has done what he's done his choices his money. I will stick with what I belive I don't like seeing anyone get slated by posters on here about overstaying and the kick him out brigade. He will no doubt get deported having well and truly unfortunately learnt his lesson. Trust no one belive no one when it comes to buisness matters. You won't go far wrong in this worldthen

A Thai 'chap' would not be on overstay, would not be charged with making offences remarks to a farang, or sending offensive emails, and would not hesitate in whacking a farang if he lost his temper. Ir is also unlikely he would be charged unless he was caught on CCTV and it went viral worldwide. I hope that answers your question. What lesson has he learned? One on Thai justice. Nothing else. Glad you think nothing like this can happen to you.

My point was the overstayers bashers hang em brigade on here seem to have changed there opinion in this case. The mention of a thai chap was a mistake on my behalf. As for think nothing like will happen to me it won't. I do my due diligence on all buisness matters. Plus I would never and will never invest or open a buisness here. So yes nothing like the man's predicament would happen to me. I do not feel sorry for him but I do not like the overstay gloats on here.

[champken]

Its absolutely tragic what's happened to Andy, if anyone knew this guy say 7-8 years ago you would never have dreamt that he would end up like this, and he's probably one of the last people you would think could have been suckered in by a con man which in reality was the start of his problems.

I read some people saying that they wouldn't invest or do business with anyone here so it couldn't happen to them, but this sort of thing can or could happen in the most unexpected way, you could be blamed for or accused of anything here which could escalate further than you could ever imagine

Edited July 12, 2016 by champken

[suzannegoh]

Its absolutely tragic what's happened to Andy, if anyone knew this guy say 7-8 years ago you would never have dreamt that he would end up like this, and he's probably one of the last people you would think could have been suckered in by a con man which in reality was the start of his problems.

i've been wondering why ThaiVisa has decided that it's ok for a long thread like this to run about Andy's alleged offenses when threads about the crimes that BG and DN have been convicted of are always nipped in the bud.

[Deepinthailand]

Its absolutely tragic what's happened to Andy, if anyone knew this guy say 7-8 years ago you would never have dreamt that he would end up like this, and he's probably one of the last people you would think could have been suckered in by a con man which in reality was the start of his problems.

I read some people saying that they wouldn't invest or do business with anyone here so it couldn't happen to them, but this sort of thing can or could happen in the most unexpected way, you could be blamed for or accused of anything here which could escalate further than you could ever imagine

What you say is completely diffrent circumstances as I understand it he was fleeced by his Buisness partner and a so called lawyer. If you do not do buisness here you have very little chance in fact zero chance of being in the same boat. Being accused of something is completely diffrent circumstances but again if you do you choose properly the people who represent you. Sounds from what had been said this guy got a bit sloppy in his diligence and let things get out of control.

[shan777]

Correct me if I am wrong ,with 90 day reporting you can report up to 2 weeks early or up to but not over 1 week late .

And I feel sorry for the guy sounds like his Thai business experience , has been one of the horror cases we all hear about, I hope when this is over he can get on with his life.

[Nasrullah]

"It was found that Mathews was named as a defendant in six cases being considered by Pattaya courts and a directive had been issued to stop him fleeing the kingdom."

How can he be in "overstay" if he is not allowed to leave Thailand by a court directive?

Something fishy here.

he's been charged with something it says!!(serious?)......If so a directive can be issued to stop him fleeing(take passport?...whatever)

Defendant in 6 cases?........been in prison before?.......sounds like another quality tourist!!......Not

Sounds like another TV member who makes ASSumptions without knowing the facts

assumptions me?...not really!!......I'm not the guy sitting in the chair surrounded by 6 thai immigration officers....on overstay pending charges

Nice subtle use of the word ASSumptions.......I'll BUMp you or give reputation if i could!!

Edited July 13, 2016 by Nasrullah

[Rimmer]

A troll post using an Offensive Slang term for UK has been removed also a reply

[KenKadz]

Being a nuisance.

Going to court.

Ordered not to leave the Kingdom (by the courts)

Illegal Overstay (result of the courts order not to leave the Kingdom).

Laughing all the way to the airport, for getting over on the system.

[stevef]

does this mean that a man who has been robbed and has tried on many occasions to sort this out with other persons involved and because he is threatening to expose these scammers is now open to another excuse to remove him from the country as andy had is passport removed so he could not leave the country can one of your experts and there seems to be many of you please explain how he can do a 90 day report because my understanding is and i may be wrong that you need to submit your passport at immigration for this???? over the years this man i have seen help many others including lots of thais have seen him buy food and cloth others less fortunate than himself don't see many others doing this do you????

[chrisinth]

So all you squeaky clean ban all overstayers brigade you really hate them for some reason won't speculate why.

Now let's take it one step further although not to far removed so it could easily happen anytime soon. 90 day reports just the same as over staying a visa still a government requirement what if they decided that if you don't report instead of a fine and a slap wrist you got a fine and a overstay of report resulting in deportation and a years ban. Wonder how many then would be so enthusiastic about people getting thrown out. It could happen sooner or later

When you do your 90 day report, you are advised by immigration when your next one is due.

Simple to make a note, and turn up on or before the date advised.

I have not bashed overstayers, but it is common sense to make a note of your next time of reporting or doing a visa run.

It isn't rocket science.

90 day reporting has nothing to do with overstay mate.....................

[Deepinthailand]

So all you squeaky clean ban all overstayers brigade you really hate them for some reason won't speculate why.

Now let's take it one step further although not to far removed so it could easily happen anytime soon. 90 day reports just the same as over staying a visa still a government requirement what if they decided that if you don't report instead of a fine and a slap wrist you got a fine and a overstay of report resulting in deportation and a years ban. Wonder how many then would be so enthusiastic about people getting thrown out. It could happen sooner or later

When you do your 90 day report, you are advised by immigration when your next one is due.

Simple to make a note, and turn up on or before the date advised.

I have not bashed overstayers, but it is common sense to make a note of your next time of reporting or doing a visa run.

It isn't rocket science.

90 day reporting has nothing to do with overstay mate.....................

Did I say it did!! I was making a point that if the immigration decide if you do not report for 90 days on time then you would be deported same as overstasy and how many on here would be so joyess at that news as well. But it seems to have gone over heads me thinks.

[stevef]

so how do you do this 90 day if the courts have your passport????

[stevef]

mm asked the question about reporting when you don't have a passport but don't seem to get answers from all the brainer know all people why is that????

come on guys tell me why you are all experts on this subject ???? unfortunately the so called offending cannot reply himself oh i wish he could for sure maybe you can help him if you know of the reasons and maybe get him out of a place he should not be in ????. here is hoping guys

[nausea]

Thank you, Gang Warily, for your very succinct summary of this story. It speaks for itself, any comment I can make would be superfluous.