blacklisted for life

[JHolmesJr]

Hope it works out….i believe your story.

 

 

[philtrue]

10 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

I think they saw your deportation stamp and denied you boarding the flight for that reason.

As far as I know no airline can access immigration's records.

I suggest you check again about the blacklisting for life. I suspect it might be less.

I am also curious about the time line of all that happened since the only date you mention is December of 2015.

What type of a visa did you have when this all started. Did your permit stay run out during all of the events and you were on an overstay when you were deported.

Well thanks i should focus a bit more but i'm on the edge.

The Swiss agent had no idea he just knew that i wasn't allowed to board the plane, we had a friendly conversation about it, perhaps another company would have let me in but the finality would have been the same, back to Switzerland. As for the time line, I was approached by 3 guys from immig.  in the morning of December 2015 had just renew my retirement visa so plenty of time, bailed the same day 100,000.-thb, reported every month to the office of the general attorney in Phuket town but for the last report my bogus lawyer didn't show up. Get a 3,000.- thb fine and and went home so 7 months at all my visa was still ok until 11 September of this year.

So from the time i was arrested to the deportation it is seven month and a half. 

I knew that i was blacklisted in Switzerland in Zurich airport not from the Thai airways agent but after calling the immigration in BKK.

[philtrue]

1 minute ago, philtrue said:

Well thanks i should focus a bit more but i'm on the edge.

The Swiss agent had no idea he just knew that i wasn't allowed to board the plane, we had a friendly conversation about it, perhaps another company would have let me in but the finality would have been the same, back to Switzerland. As for the time line, I was approached by 3 guys from immig.  in the morning of December 2015 had just renew my retirement visa so plenty of time, bailed the same day 100,000.-thb, reported every month to the office of the general attorney in Phuket town but for the last report my bogus lawyer didn't show up. Get a 3,000.- thb fine and and went home so 7 months at all my visa was still ok until 11 September of this year.

So from the time i was arrested to the deportation it is seven month and a half. 

I knew that i was blacklisted in Switzerland in Zurich airport not from the Thai airways agent but after calling the immigration in BKK.

Went home without passport it is when i went to reclame it that all started. Only get it back after landing in Switzerland.

[PoorSucker]

Are you legally married to your wife?

 

And if you are not, have you legalized your kid as your child through courts?

[Rimmer]

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[DGS1244]

2 hours ago, jamesbrock said:

 

How could the Thai embassy in Switzerland grant you a visa a. without a passport; and b. while you were blacklisted?

 

You need to concoct a more believable story for your next scam attempt.

The whole sad tail seems strange, a Swiss embassy would not issue a retirement visa only a O or what ever and then you would apply for a retirement extension of stay in Thailand. Also why are you paying tax, I think you need to get your story straight before you do anything else. If you have a wife in Thailand as you mention why not apply for a marriage visa extension and then list your mother as a dependent.

[Dunky]

Change passport, fly to P.P. then land border entry to Thailand. When you get here get a decent lawyer and sort it!

 

Good luck mate! Susu na krub!!

[JackThompson]

Let me see if I have this all correct:

 

• You were here with a valid "permission to stay" through the time that you were deported.  At no point were you on overstay (since the process was shorter than your year permission to stay, recently received).
• You were arrested for "working illegally" for being present at a business you own, when work was being done by others.
• You own that business, you do NOT work there, but receive income from it (as owner) from which you pay Thai taxes.

If any of that is incorrect, please let us know. 

 

Next, please list all criminal-charges involved in your court case(s).  For example, what was the 3000 Thb payment for, did that involve a plea to a criminal-charge, and what charge was cited as reason for deportation?

Edited September 10, 2016 by JackThompson

[maxtingtong]

19 minutes ago, Dunky said:

Change passport, fly to P.P. then land border entry to Thailand. When you get here get a decent lawyer and sort it!

 

Good luck mate! Susu na krub!!

This plan is perfect for a new whole load of trouble

[Straight8]

Wow, the TV detectives at their finest!

 

I also believe the story, good luck with it all.

 

Another lesson, never sever all ties to your real home. You never know when you need a plan to fall back on.

 

 

[mcfish]

5 minutes ago, Straight8 said:

Wow, the TV detectives at their finest!

 

I also believe the story, good luck with it all.

 

Another lesson, never sever all ties to your real home. You never know when you need a plan to fall back on.

 

 

How does one sever ties?

 

Dont you just book a flight , find somewhere to live and get a job...and your back in business again

[louse1953]

1 hour ago, DGS1244 said:

The whole sad tail seems strange, a Swiss embassy would not issue a retirement visa only a O or what ever and then you would apply for a retirement extension of stay in Thailand. Also why are you paying tax, I think you need to get your story straight before you do anything else. If you have a wife in Thailand as you mention why not apply for a marriage visa extension and then list your mother as a dependent.

And then get a work permit to cover yer arse.Easy in hindsight i know.

[louse1953]

1 hour ago, Dunky said:

Change passport, fly to P.P. then land border entry to Thailand. When you get here get a decent lawyer and sort it!

 

Good luck mate! Susu na krub!!

Catchup Dunky,change pp doesn't work.You'd be naive to think so.

[JackThompson]

4 minutes ago, mcfish said:

How does one sever ties?

 

Dont you just book a flight , find somewhere to live and get a job...and your back in business again

 

For a retiree?  Easier said than done unless you are 25 and/or have a lot of capital to bootstrap that business up from scratch.  There are many countries that would be a much better place to start a new business with limited starting capital - and/or where one can afford to live on a retirement pension.  Cambodia was a good choice to work this out, imo.

[snowgard]

I think this immigration site is helpful: http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/boi.html

[Badbanker]

I don't butt in often, but I will with this one!

 

The right to black list a person, is the prerogative of the arresting officer!  He may do this in a discretionary manner, if a Thai court sentences you to any detention, be it suspended or not.

 

I have seen people who only worked for 3 days and yes it was Phuket get blacklisted for life.  

 

People who own bars often do not have work permits, but if they supervise work, it is considered work and as such they may be arrested. 

 

Thai Airlines, as do most airlines have a list of people that they will not board.  

 

If you have been deported on one airline, there is a chance that a note has been made in that airlines computer logs, that you are not to be allowed to board and list the circumstances.

 

Thai Embassies can issue a visa to a buffalo, but it is again the prerogative of the immigration officer where you enter the country, to inform you that you have been blacklisted and barred from entry.

 

Fortunately the Administrative Court in Bangkok has dealt with a number of cases such as yours and the Blacklist can be overturned if the court deems its issuance is excessive.

 

Its not cheap and takes 6-9 months complete, so be prepared to pay for a lawyer!

 

It is necessary to prove that you are a person of good character (no previous criminal conviction) and have ties to Thailand.

 

As I have said before, in the case of your arrest please ensure you or your lawyer stay very close to your arresting officer and be nice to him.

 

I have seen cases where someone who was arrested, was not polite and was black listed solely for this reason!

 

BB

[AsianExport]

I really feel for you, and people here should try to understand your OP and replies instead of asking what you have already clearly told !

 

The only real question is why someone could be deported for being in his business if not working ?

You have the right to star at your business if you are owner and not working.

So maybe immigrapigs lied on the documents ?

 

Of course it is not a smart idea to have any business that will make the locals feel jealous, and this is a risk that anybody who opens a street business (not online) will face.

 

REALLY wish you the best and thank you for your experience, it means that even if you are legal here you can be caught, so better avoid talking to anyone and telling anything about your business to anyone.

 

Hope that you will find a solution, but Cambodia seems to be the correct one, you can even work without visa there without any risk.

 

 

[JackThompson]

6 minutes ago, AsianExport said:

Hope that you will find a solution, but Cambodia seems to be the correct one, you can even work without visa there without any risk.

 

Not true, anymore, in Cambodia - but it is cheap and easy to get one (unlike in Thailand).

[AsianExport]

Just now, JackThompson said:

 

Not true, anymore, in Cambodia - but it is cheap and easy to get one (unlike in Thailand).

 

Give $100 if they catch you and their whole family + whole village live like kind for 5 years.

[JackThompson]

1 minute ago, AsianExport said:

Give $100 if they catch you and their whole family + whole village live like kind for 5 years.

 

Getting out of trouble is cheaper and easier there too ... but why live like that when you have a legal option?  I think some people just like the thrill of "getting away" with things.  I like to relax.

[jspill]

16 minutes ago, AsianExport said:

The only real question is why someone could be deported for being in his business if not working ?

You have the right to star at your business if you are owner and not working.

 

In the post above yours Badbanker says any 'supervision' of others working, could be construed as you working. A scary thought.

[Khun Robert]

It seems he stayed in Thailand with an Extension of Stay based on retirement on which you should no you are not allowed to work

As soon as captured for illegal working the Immigration Office voided the Extension of Stay because in you application you agree not to work with this kind of extension.

That could be the only reason for deportation based on having no visa.

[AlexRich]

I've no idea if this decision can be overturned, If it can be I suspect it will be an expensive business. I'm sure someone will know a half-decent lawyer who specialises in immigration.

 

Good post ... a warning to anyone thinking of investing in Thailand ... I don't mind contributing to the economy through living expenses and taxes on purchases, but I would never invest here. 

[Ronuk]

Interesting.

 

[khunPer]

I think the problem is that you (OP) stayed on a Retirement Extension, which do not allow you to do any kind of work. Being a shareholder (owner) of Thai company limited is not work, nor board member (director), as long as no work is performed but signing an annual statement (allowed as per what Phuket Immigration told in the news, not that long ago); just writing a bank deposit slip for the company is however considered as work. Being in the company premises overlooking work – even done by Thais – is work as management.

 

It sounds like you (OP) own a business that is not within a Thai company limited – you say you pay tax, but as shareholder the company pays tax, and withholding tax will be deducted on any paid dividend – and that may be the cause of the problem, staying in Thailand on Retirement Extension instead of obtaining a proper Work Permit. Some areas seem to hit very hard on that, Phuket is known as one.

 

I think you best odds, from what I read of your replies, is what moderator Badbanker suggest.

Wish you good luck...

[AsianExport]

Anyway, we can tell anything we want, and even if you are really not working how to give evidence ?

 

If you own a business you should NEVER be there or you will ALWAYS be at risk. As simple as this.

 

Anytime an immigration playmobil will want to make problems, you are done.

 

 

[Badbanker]

The OP has been clear about his situation and it is in my opinion genuine.

 

A small mistake has got him black banned for life and this is causing a lot of hardship for him and his family.  

 

His interest is to try and solve it!  (lawyer and appeal black listing case at Administrative Court in Bangkok) 

 

My desire is to show people that this situation has and does happen more than I like.  There are  ways in which to anticipate it (work permit) and then cope with it, if it happens to you (staying close to the arresting officer!).

 

A reasonable understanding of Thai laws that effect us, will ensure that we live here as I have for almost 30 years and never got arrested.

 

BB

[RHerberth]

Why you registered the business on your name and not only on your wives name? I think if you did it like this you never have problems with the immigration because you are not the owner and not have to do anything with the business.

[AsianExport]

3 minutes ago, RHerberth said:

Why you registered the business on your name and not only on your wives name? I think if you did it like this you never have problems with the immigration because you are not the owner and not have to do anything with the business.

 

True actually ! I didn't think about it, but why registering in your name ? It's so easy to have business but without anyone knowing, so why anybody with a brain would register in his own name when he has a wife to do everything.

 

Still feel for the OP but until he explains what he did wrong, BECAUSE HE OF COURSE DID WRONG THINGS, I will keep thinking that this kind of things only happen to some kinds of people...

 

Sorry if I am wrong, but this is what this post inspire.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Thaidream]

The OPs post is absolutely genuine and his description of events is exactly what I know to be true as it has happened to others in the same manner.  The only question I have is if there is a stamp in your passport in red - Thai writing- indicating the blacklist exists. If there is- there is no doubt that indeed you have been blacklisted.  The advice of Bad Banker is spot on- It is reversible via a petition to the Administrative Court- and a discussion with the arresting officer who may be willing to reverse his decision- a good Thai lawyer is a must and if you have the funds I would go with the top firms in Bangkok. As long as you have no prior record-  and you have a lengthy time and family in Thailand your chances are good. The downside is it will be costly and take time.

My best to you and your family. Let us know how you proceed so others can be assisted who may end up with the same problem.

Just as an aside- never get into any type of bar or restaurant business in Thailand.