Who Will Bang Their Heads If Malaysia And Thailand Build A Border Wall

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Who Will Bang Their Heads If Malaysia And Thailand Build A Border Wall

Ralph Jennings, CONTRIBUTOR

 

BANGKOK: -- Prime ministers from Malaysia and Thailand have started to discuss building a wall along their land border to control rebels that have vexed Bangkok for decades. Thai junta leader Prayut Chan-o-cha and Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak broached the topic last week at an annual consultation, leaving doors open to more talks. Border walls and other fortifications are nothing new. Eastern European countries are working on theirs to stemmigration from Syria.

 

The United States and Mexico have fortified much of the 3,141 km (1,951 miles) between them to discourage illegal northbound immigration. A wall can feasibly be done. But it’s unclear how many people would bang their heads against a wall along the he 640 km-long Thai-Malaysia border.

 

A well-guarded wall would make it easier to quell the violent Muslim-backed insurgency in southern Thailand. Separatists in four southern provinces had killed 6,500 people and injured 12,000 over the decade to 2015, according to figures in the Bangkok Post. The border matters because militants in one elusive group called Runda Kumpulan Kecil flee to Malaysia after bombings, arson and murders in Thailand, according to the Terrorism Monitor. 

 

Full story: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ralphjennings/2016/09/11/who-would-bang-their-heads-if-malaysia-and-thailand-built-a-border-wall/

 

-- Forbes 2016-09-12

[rkidlad]

Build a wall, hey? I can picture some very excited army personnel rubbing their hands together and the thought of the budget. 

[Bluespunk]

'''The United States and Mexico have fortified much of the 3,141 km (1,951 miles) between them to discourage illegal northbound immigration.'''

 

Have they?

[GeorgeCross]

first Norway then the UK and now Thailand building border walls.. maybe Trump's border policies are catching on..

[jamesbrock]

50 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

'''The United States and Mexico have fortified much of the 3,141 km (1,951 miles) between them to discourage illegal northbound immigration.'''

 

Have they?

 

Depends on one's definition of "much"...

 

"The US and Mexico share a common border of about 2,000-miles (3,200-km). As of February 10, 2012, the Department of Homeland Security had completed 651 miles of fencing out of nearly 652 miles mandated by Congress, including 299 miles of vehicle barriers and 352 miles of pedestrian fence."

 

Source: http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/systems/mexico-wall.htm

[thesetat2013]

seems like Thailand is taking more advise from China. A wall would not stop those that truly wanted to cross borders. instead it would open a market for tunneled entry.

[Rob8891]

Canada next.

[bendejo]

That wall had better protrude 50 miles out into the sea, on both coasts.

 

 

[ddavidovsky]

Are they kidding? Hungary is barren steppe - easy for them. A wall here would have to plough through vast areas of primary rainforest. Apart from the environmental destruction, it would prevent the movement of larger animals and disrupt the entire ecosystem. What sort of f***tard is not even aware of that?

[ratcatcher]

Just now, ddavidovsky said:

Are they kidding? Hungary is barren steppe - easy for them. A wall here would have to plough through vast areas of primary rainforest. Apart from the environmental destruction, it would prevent the movement of larger animals and disrupt the entire ecosystem. What sort of f***tard is not even aware of that?

"Hungary is barren steppe -...."  https://www.google.co.th/search?q=hungary+scenery&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiExbCrk4nPAhUJlx4KHZxICqIQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=7exvUpzt2zrEaM%3A

 

Steppes?  Treeless ,grassy plains. https://www.google.co.th/search?q=steppes&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1yfbNk4nPAhVNAx4KHWviC2oQ_AUIBigB

Maybe you meant Hungarikastan in eastern Asia?

 

[ddavidovsky]

2 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

"Hungary is barren steppe -...."  https://www.google.co.th/search?q=hungary+scenery&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiExbCrk4nPAhUJlx4KHZxICqIQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=7exvUpzt2zrEaM%3A

 

Steppes?  Treeless ,grassy plains. https://www.google.co.th/search?q=steppes&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=599&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1yfbNk4nPAhVNAx4KHWviC2oQ_AUIBigB

Maybe you meant Hungarikastan in eastern Asia?

 

 

So you support building a wall through mountainous primary rainforest, or you just here to quibble?

 

Steppe=grassland. Lots of that in Hungary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_steppe

 

 

 

[Oxx]

So, what's to stop the Moslem terrorists simply taking a boat around the ends of any such wall?

 

I think we should have have Islamophobic sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads too.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Oxx

[ratcatcher]

Just now, ddavidovsky said:

 

So you support building a wall through mountainous primary rainforest, or you just here to quibble?

 

Steppe=grassland. Lots of that in Hungary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_steppe

 

 

 

No, I do not support building walls between peoples anywhere, especially through forests.

I bow to your knowledge of the Pannonian steppe. Thank you for the link.

Yes, I just felt like an early afternoon quibble.

[halloween]

4 minutes ago, Oxx said:

So, what's to stop the Moslem terrorists simply taking a boat around the ends of any such wall?

 

I think we should have have Islamophobic sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads too.

 

So, what's to stop the Moslem terrorists simply taking a boat around the ends of any such wall?

 

Hmmm..........let me think. Patrol boats, observer aircraft, land, air and sea based radar perhaps. Sheeeit, they could even use it for training submarine crews.

The thing is, in the jungle you run 3 metres and you are out of sight. What are you going to do when an armed patrol boat considerably faster than yours decides you are interesting?

[Oxx]

8 minutes ago, halloween said:

 

So, what's to stop the Moslem terrorists simply taking a boat around the ends of any such wall?

 

Hmmm..........let me think. Patrol boats, observer aircraft, land, air and sea based radar perhaps. Sheeeit, they could even use it for training submarine crews.

The thing is, in the jungle you run 3 metres and you are out of sight. What are you going to do when an armed patrol boat considerably faster than yours decides you are interesting?

 

Except the sea border is not secure, as is evinced by the large quantities of smuggled goods getting through.

[dunroaming]

In Britain we built a wall, well actually it was Hadrians wall to stop the freedom of movement between England and Scotland.  Worked for a while but in the end it failed.  That was a while ago now but clearly some still see walls as a good deterrent.

 

Obviously there will be no wall between Thailand and Malaysia, just another lot of hot air.

Edited September 12, 2016 by dunroaming

[klauskunkel]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

A well-guarded wall would make it easier to quell

A well-guarded wall - and therein lies the rub:

Because surely, you can build it..., but will you guard it well? Or, would you allow terrorists in for, let's say, 20,000 bt  each?

[Oxx]

16 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

IObviously there will be no wall between Thailand and Malaysia, just another lot of hot air.

 

There already is a border wall - or more precisely, two border walls, one on the Thai side, the other on the Malaysian side, built in the 70s.  They run through through Satun and Songkhla on the Thai side.

 

 

Photo from Shenli Leong on Flickr.

Edited September 12, 2016 by Oxx

[trogers]

2 hours ago, halloween said:

 

So, what's to stop the Moslem terrorists simply taking a boat around the ends of any such wall?

 

Hmmm..........let me think. Patrol boats, observer aircraft, land, air and sea based radar perhaps. Sheeeit, they could even use it for training submarine crews.

The thing is, in the jungle you run 3 metres and you are out of sight. What are you going to do when an armed patrol boat considerably faster than yours decides you are interesting?

 

Use a submersible boat...

[NongKhaiKid]

2 hours ago, halloween said:

 

So, what's to stop the Moslem terrorists simply taking a boat around the ends of any such wall?

 

Hmmm..........let me think. Patrol boats, observer aircraft, land, air and sea based radar perhaps. Sheeeit, they could even use it for training submarine crews.

The thing is, in the jungle you run 3 metres and you are out of sight. What are you going to do when an armed patrol boat considerably faster than yours decides you are interesting?

Land, air and sea based radar ? Remember MH370 and the 10 days it took LoS to admit they'd picked it up on radar but they didn't tell anyone as they weren't asked.

[Srikcir]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

control rebels that have vexed Bangkok for decades

The same could be done with peace talks but the only "give and take" that the RTM believes in is RTM takes and insurgents give. Prayut's wall would become a memorial of waste to RTM's failure to negotiate with the insurgents.

[kamahele]

Good luck with that. Trump's "big big wall" is estimated to cost about 25 billion dollars so I wonder how much the Thai - Malay wall will cost.

[hansnl]

3 hours ago, ddavidovsky said:

 

So you support building a wall through mountainous primary rainforest, or you just here to quibble?

 

Steppe=grassland. Lots of that in Hungary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_steppe

 

 

 

If building a wall stops the influx of rather murderous and unscrupulous people crossing the border, yes.

And yes, it seems to work, those terror hindering fortifications.

If you think not building a wall and accepting death and destruction is preferable, well, go ahead.

Ever seen what bombs do?

Ever seen what shootings do to people?

Have a look, maybe you will modify your ideas.

 

[lonewolf99]

Metaphoricaly There is a wall ...it is to the south of here seperating the government elected by some of the people from those in the North being dictated to by a Junta.....just like the wall between N and S Korea.

 

I say some of the people because Malaysia has questionable elections...but so does every nation except maybe Iceland....and that doubles as a Supermarket for frozen foods in the UK.

[Saradoc1972]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

The same could be done with peace talks but the only "give and take" that the RTM believes in is RTM takes and insurgents give. Prayut's wall would become a memorial of waste to RTM's failure to negotiate with the insurgents.

 

There can be no "peace talks" with Muslims, especially not with this bunch. This bunch doesn't talk, they go into schools and kill the teachers so the kids don't learn Thainess.

They don't even have a catalogue of demands, apart from wanting any non-muslims out and to live by their own rules.

Meaning the rules some charismatic cleric with a lot of muscle makes today, to be deposed of as an infidel by the next.

 

[dunroaming]

After the horse has bolted springs to mind.  Most of the insurgents in the south live there.  Of course you could always try shooting them all

[jamesbrock]

5 minutes ago, Saradoc1972 said:

 

There can be no "peace talks" with Muslims, especially not with this bunch. This bunch doesn't talk, they go into schools and kill the teachers so the kids don't learn Thainess.

They don't even have a catalogue of demands, apart from <snip>

 

...apart from what was taken from them against their will—i.e. self determination—when the Sultanate of Pattani was divided between London and Bangkok under the the Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909, and their own ethnic identity which was forcefully erased when, in 1934, Marshall Plaek Phibunsongkhram set in motion of the process of Thaification which had as its objective the cultural assimilation of the Pattani people, among other ethnic groups in Thailand.

 

I am not in any way defending their methods, but I can see they have (had?) legitimate grievances.

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, Oxx said:

So, what's to stop the Moslem terrorists simply taking a boat around the ends of any such wall?

 

I think we should have have Islamophobic sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads too.

I think we should have meaningful talks leading to a peace treaty that ends this bloody conflict.

 

Violence has failed on both sides and won't bring either victory.

[Bluespunk]

47 minutes ago, Saradoc1972 said:

 

There can be no "peace talks" with Muslims, especially not with this bunch. This bunch doesn't talk, they go into schools and kill the teachers so the kids don't learn Thainess.

They don't even have a catalogue of demands, apart from wanting any non-muslims out and to live by their own rules.

Meaning the rules some charismatic cleric with a lot of muscle makes today, to be deposed of as an infidel by the next.

 

Certainly won't be any peace talks with anyone sharing your view of what has been happening in the south.

 

Conflict resolution may not be a career path that suits you. 

[Oxx]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

I think we should have meaningful talks leading to a peace treaty that ends this bloody conflict.

 

Violence has failed on both sides and won't bring either victory.

 

Unfortunately, on the Moslem side there is no one to talk to who credibly represents the terrorists and can control them.  Even the objectives of the terrorists are unclear and incompletely understood.  They don't issue statements of their demands.

 

What is clear is that there hasn't been enough violence on the part of the Thai military to wipe these terrorists off the face of the planet.