Pattaya Bar/Go-Go Death Watch

[webfact]

Government spokesman hits back at UDD

 

 

BANGKOK: -- The military junta has no intention whatsoever to persecute or to eliminate any politicians or political parties in particular as alleged by the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship, said government spokesman Maj-Gen Sansern Kaewkamnerd.

 

The spokesman was responding to a recent allegation by UDD leaders that the government and the National Council for Peace and Order wanted to get rid of politicians of Pheu Thai party following the impeachment of several former Pheu Thai MPs for their previous alleged misconducts.

 

“Soldiers, no matter which era, adhere to political neutrality and choose to side with the people and righteousness. Political expressions such as protests and demonstrations can be done if they are within the framework of the law and peaceful.

 

Soldiers will not interfere with them – no matter which era and no matter which parties are in the government,” said Maj-Gen Sansern.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/government-spokesman-hits-back-udd/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2016-09-19

[trogers]

UDD is a political party?

 

If not, why should they worry about political parties? Or perhaps they were formed to service a particular political party using methods that need not conform to rules and laws?

[baboon]

“Soldiers, no matter which era, adhere to political neutrality and choose to side with the people and righteousness. Political expressions such as protests and demonstrations can be done if they are within the framework of the law and peaceful.

 

Soldiers will not interfere with them – no matter which era and no matter which parties are in the government,” said Maj-Gen Sansern.

 

Leaving aside the outright lies about political neutrality and siding with the people, this statement confirms Thailand is under martial law: soldiers this, soldiers that and not a mention of the police...

 

[Chris Lawrence]

But what about the new list of corrupt officials? 237 officials having been suspended or removed from their posts ahead of investigations and possible punishment. This is not political?

[halloween]

2 minutes ago, Chris Lawrence said:

But what about the new list of corrupt officials? 237 officials having been suspended or removed from their posts ahead of investigations and possible punishment. This is not political?

So there's no chance that they are actually corrupt? And they were removed " ahead of investigations" with no prima facie case to answer?

[Chris Lawrence]

So halloween your nose not smelling the BS. The press release doesn't sound like a tool to legitimise the actions of a few? Granted the 237 are involved with forms of corruption, they still remain unfriendly with the new Government, which is a crime in itself? That being the case it is political.

[smedly]

1 hour ago, trogers said:

UDD is a political party?

 

If not, why should they worry about political parties? Or perhaps they were formed to service a particular political party using methods that need not conform to rules and laws?

A question that has been asked many times - what exactly are they, a fringe and IMO verging on terrorist group  sponsored by Thaksin that resorts to violence and murder when things aren't going his way

[halloween]

19 minutes ago, Chris Lawrence said:

So halloween your nose not smelling the BS. The press release doesn't sound like a tool to legitimise the actions of a few? Granted the 237 are involved with forms of corruption, they still remain unfriendly with the new Government, which is a crime in itself? That being the case it is political.

How many people are "friendly" towards their prosecutors? Perhaps what you are saying is that they were more friendly towards those who chose to ignore their corruption, so it must be political.

[debate101]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

A question that has been asked many times - what exactly are they, a fringe and IMO verging on terrorist group  sponsored by Thaksin that resorts to violence and murder when things aren't going his way

 

They are a political movement made of disparate factions of Thai society, including some rice farmers, urban liberals, academics, student activists, and ex-communists with the common cause of promoting democracy in Thailand and opposing military dictatorship. They have hitched their wagon to Thaksinite governments, considering them a lesser evil in terms of holding up the tent for democratic development of the country than military-aligned governments or outright military rule. Having seen the country under both sets of circumstances, it's a poor set of choices, but I'm inclined to agree.

 

Hard-line members have become violent in the past when non-violent channels for political pressure were closed off. If you are interested in learning more about them than what the mainstream Thai media reports without having to resort to their own propaganda networks, check out the interviews and reporting of Nick Nositz.

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, halloween said:

they were removed " ahead of investigations" with no prima facie case to answer?

Correct.

Prayut maintains secret lists of names provided by unidentified people one only need to be suspected of wrongdoing or not a good person without any evidence supporting the allegation. Evidence gathering is done thereafter at Prayut's direction through subsequent investigations, usually right after the official is moved to an inactive post and assets possibly seized. It then becomes a case where the the suspect must prove his innocence rather than the government proving guilt - while not knowing exactly what the charge is.

[trogers]

12 minutes ago, debate101 said:

 

They are a political movement made of disparate factions of Thai society, including some rice farmers, urban liberals, academics, student activists, and ex-communists with the common cause of promoting democracy in Thailand and opposing military dictatorship. They have hitched their wagon to Thaksinite governments, considering them a lesser evil in terms of holding up the tent for democratic development of the country than military-aligned governments or outright military rule. Having seen the country under both sets of circumstances, it's a poor set of choices, but I'm inclined to agree.

 

Hard-line members have become violent in the past when non-violent channels for political pressure were closed off. If you are interested in learning more about them than what the mainstream Thai media reports without having to resort to their own propaganda networks, check out the interviews and reporting of Nick Nositz.

 

Any movement of this size needs funding.  The source of funding points to its purpose.  Members are just tools.

[aussieinthailand]

Yu'p the military no matter what era are neutral.   Many people would say history proves a different story.

Students sitting on a train being forcefully removed.

People giving flowers and water to people.

Having a red bowl.

Clicking like on FB.

Say "ja" on FB.

"Neutral"  Yeah right.

Ok back too la, la land for the junta fan club that buy's this bloke's  &^^$$8#...

[debate101]

5 minutes ago, trogers said:

 

Any movement of this size needs funding.  The source of funding points to its purpose.  Members are just tools.

 

Nope. They are human beings with their own opinions, political allegiances, and agency.

 

[trogers]

6 minutes ago, debate101 said:

 

Nope. They are human beings with their own opinions, political allegiances, and agency.

 

 

Birds of a feather flock together...

[robblok]

34 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Correct.

Prayut maintains secret lists of names provided by unidentified people one only need to be suspected of wrongdoing or not a good person without any evidence supporting the allegation. Evidence gathering is done thereafter at Prayut's direction through subsequent investigations, usually right after the official is moved to an inactive post and assets possibly seized. It then becomes a case where the the suspect must prove his innocence rather than the government proving guilt - while not knowing exactly what the charge is.

Great.. but everywhere in the democratic world officials are usually being removed during an investigation so they can't influence the outcome. I don't see anything wrong with that do you ? 

 

 

[aussieinthailand]

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

Great.. but everywhere in the democratic world officials are usually being removed during an investigation so they can't influence the outcome. I don't see anything wrong with that do you ? 

 

 

"but everywhere in the democratic world"    Not in my home country rob, which is considered a democratic country.

 Usually an official stay's in place until the overwhelming public calling for the official to voluntarily step down or aside or then removed until investigations are complete. 

Do you believe this bloke's comment that the soldiers' military no matter in which era are neutral and will not interfere? 

If yes then why has the junta not removed the PM's brother regarding his alleged military budget and a certain bank account???  You do recall the PM's response to reporters regarding this question?   Was that neutral?   Was that not interfering?

[Alive]

Some time in the future people may read these stories and think we have the freedom to post openly and freely. The truth should be noted that we are unable to so what they will be reading in the future is not a fair debate. Censorship rules websites connected to Thailand. Responses to stories are not representative all readers as many readers refuse to post if they can not speak their minds openly and freely. We are living under censorship. I just wanted to note that.

 

When you read the above story, you have to no that Thailand's government is not elected. It has been appointed by military generals and represents their views not the views of a government elected by the people. So what is there to say about the story above other than the regime in power can say anything it wants and can make it 'true' under its own lawmakers and laws. Those who oppose the views of those in power don't have the freedom to speak their minds for fear of being jailed just for their words. So Thai news and the regime's actions cannot be countered openly and freely.  We have to live with lies at the present time.

[trogers]

9 minutes ago, Alive said:

Some time in the future people may read these stories and think we have the freedom to post openly and freely. The truth should be noted that we are unable to so what they will be reading in the future is not a fair debate. Censorship rules websites connected to Thailand. Responses to stories are not representative all readers as many readers refuse to post if they can not speak their minds openly and freely. We are living under censorship. I just wanted to note that.

 

When you read the above story, you have to no that Thailand's government is not elected. It has been appointed by military generals and represents their views not the views of a government elected by the people. So what is there to say about the story above other than the regime in power can say anything it wants and can make it 'true' under its own lawmakers and laws. Those who oppose the views of those in power don't have the freedom to speak their minds for fear of being jailed just for their words. So Thai news and the regime's actions cannot be countered openly and freely.  We have to live with lies at the present time.

 

I recalled 'the view of those in power don't have the freedom to speak their minds for fear...' when a reporter was fired as a result of an English paper being threatened for reporting on cracks in an airport.

 

You don't need a government from a coup to see such 'freedom' of expression... ?

[jesimps]

16 minutes ago, trogers said:

 

I recalled 'the view of those in power don't have the freedom to speak their minds for fear...' when a reporter was fired as a result of an English paper being threatened for reporting on cracks in an airport.

 

You don't need a government from a coup to see such 'freedom' of expression... ?

Still replying to every post with "But but Thaksin.." How about commenting on this blx that the junta are spewing about being neutral.

 

 

[trogers]

11 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Still replying to every post with "But but Thaksin.." How about commenting on this blx that the junta are spewing about being neutral.

 

 

 

There has never been Neutral, in any form of governments.  Don't kid yourself. Governments is about Power. And power corrupts...

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, baboon said:

“Soldiers, no matter which era, adhere to political neutrality and choose to side with the people and righteousness. Political expressions such as protests and demonstrations can be done if they are within the framework of the law and peaceful.

 

Soldiers will not interfere with them – no matter which era and no matter which parties are in the government,” said Maj-Gen Sansern.

 

Leaving aside the outright lies about political neutrality and siding with the people, this statement confirms Thailand is under martial law: soldiers this, soldiers that and not a mention of the police...

 

 

The police are (were?) under the control of the Shins and their various political vehicles. Nothing is independent. All are either directly controlled like the UDD or loosely aligned and allowed to do their own thing. 

 

Other side batting now.

[Baerboxer]

27 minutes ago, jesimps said:

Still replying to every post with "But but Thaksin.." How about commenting on this blx that the junta are spewing about being neutral.

 

 

 

He wasn't. He was raising the valid point that even elected governments here try and suppress free speech and control the media.

 

Replying to every criticism of or negative post about the Shin clan with "but but Thaksin" in an attempt to stifle negative comments which happen to be true won't work, although it's your apparent habit.

 

Thaksin threatened, intimidated and used the defamation laws, IT laws etc to try and stop any criticism or negative comments about him, his family, political party and various governments. Something he learned from Mr. Lee.

 

That doesn't make it right for him or others to do, elected or not. 

 

And PTP and their previous incarnations spewed repeated blx and lies too. Get used to it. That's what politicians do. Only some want to stop the truth ever being allowed if it doesn't suit their purpose.

 

 

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

Yu'p the military no matter what era are neutral.   Many people would say history proves a different story.

Students sitting on a train being forcefully removed.

People giving flowers and water to people.

Having a red bowl.

Clicking like on FB.

Say "ja" on FB.

"Neutral"  Yeah right.

Ok back too la, la land for the junta fan club that buy's this bloke's  &^^$$8#...

 

A previous government, fairly recent, tried to make it a criminal offense to click a like on FB if the article criticized them. Can you guess who it was? Clue, they were elected.

 

There is no such thing as neutrality for those who are playing the game of control. Only those who are controlled think they have that luxury.

[Squeegee]

Liars are not to be trusted because they are bad people.

 

Good guys in, bad guys out, I say.

 

 

 

[waldroj]

It is difficult to accept this farcical assertion that "...the military junta has no intention whatsoever to persecute or to eliminate any politicians or political parties...". Particularly, as they have seemingly being doing their utmost to orchestrate an election outcome for the country that one would be hard pressed to say "...adheres to political neutrality..."!

 

When the elections do occur late next year, it will hardly come as a surprise that the make-up of the House of Reps will be a weak and ineffective coalition of minor parties (all pushing their own agendas), up against an entrenched junta-appointed Senate and a prime minister of questionable political affiliation.

 

It is also highly likely that the country will be just as alienated as it was when the junta usurped control. This, despite the claim they chose "...to side with the people and righteousness...". Unless, by "the people", they mean the "chosen" people.

 

All in all, a situation that does not bode well for a return to lasting democracy, and the assertion of political neutrality is more likely to be the action of political neutering.

[aussieinthailand]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

A previous government, fairly recent, tried to make it a criminal offense to click a like on FB if the article criticized them. Can you guess who it was? Clue, they were elected.

 

There is no such thing as neutrality for those who are playing the game of control. Only those who are controlled think they have that luxury.

Ok tell us which  "fairly recent," government "tried to make it a criminal offence to click like on FB"

Tried to make,   and successfully implemented by a junta,  little bit of a difference there don't ya think.  eg; a lady tried to pick the winning lotto number but failed,  or a much better one,  junta's/PM claim I always respect human rights, rule of law, not bias, neutral, there will be no coup, i'm fighting corruption, for the good of the nation etc,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,   

[halloween]

4 hours ago, aussieinthailand said:

"but everywhere in the democratic world"    Not in my home country rob, which is considered a democratic country.

 Usually an official stay's in place until the overwhelming public calling for the official to voluntarily step down or aside or then removed until investigations are complete. 

Do you believe this bloke's comment that the soldiers' military no matter in which era are neutral and will not interfere? 

If yes then why has the junta not removed the PM's brother regarding his alleged military budget and a certain bank account???  You do recall the PM's response to reporters regarding this question?   Was that neutral?   Was that not interfering?

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/29/mal-brough-steps-aside-as-minister-while-police-investigate-slipper-affair 

http://finsia.com/news/news-article/2014/11/20/anz-stands-down-seven-staff-pending-investigation

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-29/mal-brough-and-jamie-briggs-stand-down-from-frontbench/7058266

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asada-investigation-into-australian-cycling-still-pending/

http://www.nickxenophon.com.au/media/releases/show/qantas-chairman-must-step-aside-pending-investigations

[aussieinthailand]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The police are (were?) under the control of the Shins and their various political vehicles. Nothing is independent. All are either directly controlled like the UDD or loosely aligned and allowed to do their own thing. 

 

Other side batting now.

You are jesting aren't you???  Because that would be about as accurate as Elvis is alive and there really is a Santa.

Do you seriously believe this bloke's comment, that the soldiers/military are neutral and they will not interfere?   because if you do cool your entitled to your opinion, but if you don't then why not sat so instead of deflecting???

The police are supposed to be under the control of the law,   but what we have here is they are most defiantly under the control of corruption, greed,  power, and the rule powerful of the day.

 

[aussieinthailand]

12 minutes ago, halloween said:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/dec/29/mal-brough-steps-aside-as-minister-while-police-investigate-slipper-affair 

http://finsia.com/news/news-article/2014/11/20/anz-stands-down-seven-staff-pending-investigation

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-29/mal-brough-and-jamie-briggs-stand-down-from-frontbench/7058266

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/asada-investigation-into-australian-cycling-still-pending/

http://www.nickxenophon.com.au/media/releases/show/qantas-chairman-must-step-aside-pending-investigations

And you point is????   like I said voluntarily steps aside or stands down unless overwhelming public calling for official to be removed

Clue mate, have a read of the post I responded to.

[Chris Lawrence]

237 accused? Strange and a rather big number Halloween? Sounds as though the General is out to eliminate a political foe. As you point out above one or two could be considered a step under the bus by a poli or a high ranking official, but 237 sounds as some one is pushing them under the bus. Apart from that I can't understand what you are getting at? Waldroj above makes a good point.