Outrage after two transgender women refused entry at Hong Kong International Airport

[ChrisY1]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

This is a weird story.

Denying entry based on evidence of them being sex workers is defensible.

Denying entry because of the particulars of surgery for transgender people and/or only based on transgender status is a violation of human rights. 

 

Well of course we don't know the complete story......my guess is they possibly had insufficient funds for such a stay......and it may have been deemed they were going to work.

HK is pretty switched on....their immigration people are sharp.

[Jingthing]

Just now, ChrisY1 said:

 

Well of course we don't know the complete story......my guess is they possibly had insufficient funds for such a stay......and it may have been deemed they were going to work.

HK is pretty switched on....their immigration people are sharp.

Possibly but that's not what the news story said. This would be a non-story if it was about what you said. 

[tifino]

 

but it really came down to that they were too beautiful to have been Thai women

 

and their Passports couldn't help the honkers to ascertain which way the penny dropped

 

 

of course!! why didn't they flash their Thai IDs, at least to make things certain:

 - about the What, and the Who

 

but still the problem was the Why

 

Yet - the dudettes were only passing through on a World Trip, so that means they had Tickets to continue on to their next port of call

 

Edited September 27, 2016 by tifino

[JaseTheBass]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Get educated, dude. 

Transgender men are born females who identify as men. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_man

 

Equally nonsensical.

 

Can they father children? No.

 

They're female. end of.

[JHolmesJr]

Theres a perception among thais, indos and flips that HK pays the best rates for whoring….so they are all making a beeline for it.

 

Creates a huge stream of arrivals….guess the immigration in HK have taken note and acted accordingly…good for them…..last thing they need is two more ladyboys selling their ass in wanchai.

 

Singapore has a curious new immigration rule too….thais get 30 days automatic visa when they arrive…but if they stay the entire 30 days, they cant come back for 2 years …. so they are all leaving after 2 weeks….makes sense…you'd be insane to come to singapore for a months holiday…after day 3 you'd be struggling for things to do.

 

 

 

 

[tifino]

simply FIFOs who got caught, prior to reaching their first job location, on their way around the world

[tifino]

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Theres a perception among thais, indos and flips that HK pays the best rates for whoring….so they are all making a beeline for it.

 

Creates a huge stream of arrivals….guess the immigration in HK have taken note and acted accordingly…good for them…..last thing they need is two more ladyboys selling their ass in wanchai.

 

Singapore has a curious new immigration rule too….thais get 30 days automatic visa when they arrive…but if they stay the entire 30 days, they cant come back for 2 years …. so they are all leaving after 2 weeks….makes sense…you'd be insane to come to singapore for a months holiday…after day 3 you'd be struggling for things to do.

 

 

2 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

 

 

 

 

I got around that - one day I went around the Island, on a Bus

The next day, I travelled Bus, in the opposite direction... ..... (really did actually)

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, JaseTheBass said:

 

Equally nonsensical.

 

Can they father children? No.

 

They're female. end of.

So a sterile male is a female in your book? 

[JaseTheBass]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So a sterile male is a female in your book? 

 

No, just a female is a female and a male is a male. It's all quite simple really.

[JHolmesJr]

4 minutes ago, tifino said:

 

I got around that - one day I went around the Island, on a Bus

The next day, I travelled Bus, in the opposite direction... ..... (really did actually)

 

I have done that in Hk and the scenery was fascinating…especially after we left the city and drove to stanley bay….in singapore you'd be bored stiff on a bus ride….just non descriptor government flats everywhere and the usual flashy buildings.

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, JaseTheBass said:

 

No, just a female is a female and a male is a male. It's all quite simple really.

It's simple with CISGENDER people. The topic here is TRANSGENDER people. Does everything need to be so SIMPLE for you? 

[tifino]

 

I only have problems - when sexing young cockatiels

 

life can be so simple, when one can revert to real problems at times...

[Chicog]

I wonder if they would have been refused had they been caucasian?

 

 

[AGareth2]

shouldn't they be called gender dysphoric individuals?

[tifino]

1 minute ago, Chicog said:

I wonder if they would have been refused had they been caucasian?

 

 

 

I reckon they'd have been confiscated  for a closer inspection 

[Pdaz]

They can't deny their chromosomes.

Removing a part of your anatomy doesn't change your gender. Nor does wearing a dress.

If you dress as a woman and attempt to enter a country with a passport that states you are a man you would be refused entry no matter how many times you told them, "I'm a lady"

 

 

[Pdaz]

4 minutes ago, Chicog said:

I wonder if they would have been refused had they been caucasian?

 

 

Even more likely. You don't see too many believable 6ft tall, hairy trannies..

[AGareth2]

lots of Arabs enter countries wearing long dresses

are you saying they should be denied entry?

[trogers]

29 minutes ago, JaseTheBass said:

 

Transgender men, actually.

 

Having your knob cut off doesn't make you a woman.

 

A few hundred years ago, they were called eunuchs...

[petermik]

10 hours ago, petermik said:

Ban all the buggers I say

 

8 hours ago, awayego said:

 

Ah, the voice of reason speaks again!

Pathetic!

 

7 hours ago, gdgbb said:

 

The first part of your comment was absolutely right, sarcastic or not, the second part, ironically, was just as you described it.

Heterosexual and PROUD of it

Its the "other buggers" that are "pathetic"

 

 

 

[The Deerhunter]

2 hours ago, Katipo said:

“did not satisfy the purpose of their holiday” .... I suspect this is because the vast majority of ladyboys travelling to other countries are doing so to engage in sex work. I would like to know the particulars of this case. For example, I've seen people asked to prove they have enough money to support themselves for the duration of their stay. Upon not being able to show it, they are refused entry. Things such as having the correct visa, proof of hotel bookings and onward travel are also common requirements.

 

This was the first thing that occurred to me.  Maybe no money , no itinerary & no hotel booked and no proof of a job to return to in Thailand..  That blocks young Thai women and Trannies into several countries for exactly the reason Katipo states.   Also why several countries require a visa issued before you visit so this problem is avoided before they get on the plane,  With ASEAN now perhaps some countries are wising up.   In my home country, Thais have to have visas to get on the plane, but with Chinese having easy visas it is not uncommon for a whole section of a tour party to just  vanish into thin air.  Into the massage parlours, of course, that booked their "tour" until they are found on an Immigration raid some months later.

[eggers]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Perhaps, but Thailand isn't all that accepting either. Much of that is superficial. 

You may be right, but seem to get employment in many companies w/o prejudice & accepted by fellow employees. 

[whatproblem]

12 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

lots of Arabs enter countries wearing long dresses

are you saying they should be denied entry?

Yes

[RawboneFunksta]

This has nothing to do with what their passports say and everything to do with the way Thai ladyboys are perceived. Singapore immigration has done similar things. An assumption/Prejudice is made/formed that all Ladyboys are hookers and that their reason for entering a country is to solicit business. No proof needed. Guilty.

 

It is indeed a violation of human rights

 

Imagine a farang being refused entry to Thailand because an assumption was made that he was going to have sex with hookers which is against the law.

 

Because this happened to ladyboys the moronic in the closet bigots will just make jokes.

 

[Puccini]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Transgender women, actually. 

 

There is a slight problem with that.

 

It is not easy to keep up with what the latest politically correct definition of a transgender woman is but last time I read something about it I believe it was something like "a person assigned the male gender at birth but who identifies as a woman".

 

With few exceptions, documents used in international travel (eg passports, tickets) identify the traveller as either male or female, man or woman. Other documents, on which the traveller must indicate his or her gender (eg arrival card, hotel registration form), give only the choice of male or female. There is no choice for transgender woman and transgender man, which puts travellers identifying as such in a quandary. What is a transgender woman, whose passport identifies her as "M" (male), to select on an arrival card that gives only the choices of male and female? What should and Australian traveller whose passport identifies him or her or IT as "X" (indeterminate/intersex/unspecified) select on the arrival card?

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, Puccini said:

What should and Australian traveller whose passport identifies him or her or IT as "X" (indeterminate/intersex/unspecified) select on the arrival card?

 

It's XX or it's XY.   Regardless of what they wish it were.

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Well, they're wrong. Of course they're human. Incidents like this highlight why transgender civil rights has become a much more visible INTERNATIONAL issue in recent years. 

As HK is part of China, they couldn't care less what the rest of the world thinks.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Artisi said:

As HK is part of China, they couldn't care less what the rest of the world thinks.

I didn't say that they did. 

[Johnniey]

4 hours ago, petermik said:

Ban all the buggers I say

How on earth can you say such a thing?

Edited September 27, 2016 by Johnniey

[Johnniey]

53 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

shouldn't they be called gender dysphoric individuals?

Gender Dysphoria is a term they don't like as it is a mental disorder, according to the American Psychiatric Association.