Koh Tao murder, DNA and saving face – Forensic examinations UK Ltd

[stephenterry]

6 hours ago, manxninja said:

Are people actually still bothered with this. Case is closed move on, nothing will be re opened. This is Thailand.

 

Yes, people are actually still bothered, and even more so if they were incarcerated in the BKK Hilton for crimes they did not commit. I would hope you would feel the same if it was you.  It is this continuing 'exposure' of the unjust verdict that could (in some future point) bring about a sea change in Thai attitude towards their 'justice' system.

 

And on a point of fact, the case is not closed, but subject to at least two appeals, one of which is currently being sought. At each appeal, you can rest assured that there will be continuing outcry for the courts to overturn the verdict - but as you rightly said, this is Thailand, and I don't hold out much hope for other than a reduced sentence for the B2 at the later Supreme court hearing many years down the line.

 

But that won't stop people from continuing to raise the case in the public eye.

 

 

 

 

 

[DiscoDan]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

while you keep repeating this same nonsense and lies I will continue to correct you

 

pursuant to international standards, laboratories are required to retain original mixed samples in order that they may retest the sample themselves and in order that any future defence team has an opportunity to retest an original mixed sample. The prosecution and police merely had “amplified” or "already extracted" DNA evidence available but without the original samples one could never be sure of the source.

 

 

If that's the case then why is it not in the defenses appeal ?

[Khun Han]

13 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

So, two rapes worth of semen, which is enough to provide for many thousands of DNA tests in any other testing lab in the world, was all used up in one test by Thailand's state-of-the-art testing equipment. How odd is that?

 

And Police major general Pornchai Suteerakhun of Bangkok Police Hospital's Institute of Forensic Medicine stated following an examination on 17 September 2014 that Hannah appeared not to have been raped. Yet we are being told on here by the usual suspects that the rape DNA had already been signed off!

 

It's obvious that these DNA samples never existed.

 

The DNA of the offenders was discovered byPolice Colonel Dr. Prawut Prathepwisarut, M.D. a Medical Doctor at the Forensic Institute, who is an authorized

and competent official to conduct an autopsy and a medical examination. The examination and the autopsy was conducted before the arrest of the two

defendants, thus this evidence existed and was established and legally obtained. Therefore, the DNA test results can (legally) lead to and prove the identities

of the offenders.

 

The above fron the trial court documents (thanks to AleG for finding it).

 

So now we know that the rape DNA samples were supposedly obtained from the autopsy. The autopsy started at 11am on 17th September 2014. By later that same day, these alleged samples had been separated and analysed, and an initial report generated. Wow.....just.....wow!

 

And while all this quite astonishing DNA extraction, separation and analysis activity was going on (allegedly), Pol Maj Gen Pornchai Suteerakhun of Bangkok Police Hospital's Institute of Forensic Medicine was telling the world that Hannah's autopsy had revealed that she probably wasn't raped.

 

The rape DNA samples never existed. But expect ever-more convoluted blather from AleG soon enough to 'explain' all this away.

[anon4637435435]

Perhaps something of importance at this stage would be to check the dna of the police, judge and so on to actually verify if they are in fact human or not. I have my doubts.

One word... Shenanigans!

[metisdead]

Disruptive troll posts have been removed as well as the replies. 

[AleG]

17 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

The DNA of the offenders was discovered byPolice Colonel Dr. Prawut Prathepwisarut, M.D. a Medical Doctor at the Forensic Institute, who is an authorized

and competent official to conduct an autopsy and a medical examination. The examination and the autopsy was conducted before the arrest of the two

defendants, thus this evidence existed and was established and legally obtained. Therefore, the DNA test results can (legally) lead to and prove the identities

of the offenders.

 

The above fron the trial court documents (thanks to AleG for finding it).

 

So now we know that the rape DNA samples were supposedly obtained from the autopsy. The autopsy started at 11am on 17th September 2014. By later that same day, these alleged samples had been separated and analysed, and an initial report generated. Wow.....just.....wow!

 

And while all this quite astonishing DNA extraction, separation and analysis activity was going on (allegedly), Pol Maj Gen Pornchai Suteerakhun of Bangkok Police Hospital's Institute of Forensic Medicine was telling the world that Hannah's autopsy had revealed that she probably wasn't raped.

 

The rape DNA samples never existed. But expect ever-more convoluted blather from AleG soon enough to 'explain' all this away.

No need to explain, you are (as usual) making things up.
The thing is, you can keep telling lies until the cows come home, it's not going to make one jot of difference to the status of the two men in prison for the murders, it gets you a pat in the head by fellow true believers and that's all there is to it.

[AleG]

23 hours ago, DiscoDan said:

 

If that's the case then why is it not in the defenses appeal ?

You will never get a straight answer to that question, what do you think, that this brouhaha is about looking for the truth or something?

A hallmark of conspiratorial thinking is to say questions, not to ask them (let alone wanting a clear, definitive answer). An example of that is 9/11 Truthers that keep saying the question "How can jet fuel melt steel?", which has been definitely answered endless times but they keep saying it, because the point is not to get an answer, it's just to seed doubt.

So for example Smedly can ask why the wounds on the victims have never been explained, I can then show him how the wounds were explained, both by the police and by the defense's own pathologist of choice; I can guarantee you that he (and the rest) will ignore that and keep saying the same question and insist that their own theories about the matter (which the answer to the question invalidates) are valid.

 

I, for one, would like to get an answer to that question from the people that demanded accountability from the police and justice system on this case; no double standards, right?
But again, I don't expect a straight answer any time soon.

In short, it's not about finding the truth it's about sticking to a manufactured narrative, in large part (and ironically given the name of this topic) to save face.
Recognizing that they were sold (quite literally) a pack of lies in order to get a pair of murderers free is way to unpalatable to contemplate, it would be admitting to being a sucker and that all the face built by thinking they were champions for a just cause is gone.

[shillhater]

1 hour ago, AleG said:

No need to explain, you are (as usual) making things up.
The thing is, you can keep telling lies until the cows come home, it's not going to make one jot of difference to the status of the two men in prison for the murders, it gets you a pat in the head by fellow true believers and that's all there is to it.

No need to explain...because you can not..the only people making things up are you and your 2 or 3 followers

[stephenterry]

38 minutes ago, AleG said:

You will never get a straight answer to that question, what do you think, that this brouhaha is about looking for the truth or something?

A hallmark of conspiratorial thinking is to say questions, not to ask them (let alone wanting a clear, definitive answer). An example of that is 9/11 Truthers that keep saying the question "How can jet fuel melt steel?", which has been definitely answered endless times but they keep saying it, because the point is not to get an answer, it's just to seed doubt.

So for example Smedly can ask why the wounds on the victims have never been explained, I can then show him how the wounds were explained, both by the police and by the defense's own pathologist of choice; I can guarantee you that he (and the rest) will ignore that and keep saying the same question and insist that their own theories about the matter (which the answer to the question invalidates) are valid.

 

I, for one, would like to get an answer to that question from the people that demanded accountability from the police and justice system on this case; no double standards, right?
But again, I don't expect a straight answer any time soon.

In short, it's not about finding the truth it's about sticking to a manufactured narrative, in large part (and ironically given the name of this topic) to save face.
Recognizing that they were sold (quite literally) a pack of lies in order to get a pair of murderers free is way to unpalatable to contemplate, it would be admitting to being a sucker and that all the face built by thinking they were champions for a just cause is gone.

 

Re your last paragraph. I agree. The murderers are still roaming around free, which is way too unpalatable to contemplate.  

 

 

[samuijimmy]

Since this is just going around in the usual circles and members just insulting each other, time to close this topic.

 

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