May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[Grouse]

5 hours ago, AlexRich said:

 

The output of a simple mind. Business leaders hate it ... and for good reason, it will adversely impact the economy as pro-Brexit ex Chancellor Nigel Lawson confirmed recently.

Lawson's credibility declined in proportion to his weight!

[Grouse]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-leave-eu-campaigner-peter-harris-butlins-record-fine-12000-electoral-commission-penalty-a7799176.html

 

So, sorry. it's all over! 

 

It it seems that Butlins is anti Brexit!

 

We're doomed! Everything we stand for is anti EU

 

Ye god's, it will be wetherspoons next.....

 

TeeHee!

[shanesox]

Amazing how the Remainiac losers keep banging on! Sad bunch


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[mommysboy]

6 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Phil Hammond states that "people did not vote to become poorer and less secure". Phil is obviously not a member of the Thai Visa discussion forum ... on here we're heading for the land of cake and eating it! That's what overdoing the Chang does for you!

Try telling that to the Brexiteers.  Likely, they'll just come back with some lame platitudes about making GB great again, and bamboozle you with half cocked calculations of untold wealth from a trade agreement with Bongo Bongo land.

[AlexRich]

24 minutes ago, shanesox said:

Amazing how the Remainiac losers keep banging on! Sad bunch


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We're winning ... enjoy your watered-down Brexit ... you can vote again when we have a referendum on the deal.

[jpinx]

There is no way the DUP deal is impartial -- the Supreme Court will throw it out.  Watch who signs the lawyers cheques!    For the first time in 100 years they went to westminster to "sign in" as MP's - thereby giving their appeal to the supreme court credibility that was missing when they refused to acknowledge the UK government having control of part of "their" island. 

 

TM might be stupid, but clearly she is being manipulated viscously by the back-room tories who are determined to block brexit one way or another.   She will take one for the tory team (again) but her rewards will come later when the Tories re-establish their overall majority. 

 

What's the odds on another GE this year? Just keep doing it till you get the 2 results the tories want -- overall power and stay in the EU.........

Edited June 20, 2017 by jpinx

[mommysboy]

23 minutes ago, jpinx said:

There is no way the DUP deal is impartial -- the Supreme Court will throw it out.  Watch who signs the lawyers cheques!    For the first time in 100 years they went to westminster to "sign in" as MP's - thereby giving their appeal to the supreme court credibility that was missing when they refused to acknowledge the UK government having control of part of "their" island. 

 

TM might be stupid, but clearly she is being manipulated viscously by the back-room tories who are determined to block brexit one way or another.   She will take one for the tory team (again) but her rewards will come later when the Tories re-establish their overall majority. 

 

What's the odds on another GE this year? Just keep doing it till you get the 2 results the tories want -- overall power and stay in the EU.........

Wake up!

[jpinx]

32 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Wake up!

"The moving finger writes..........."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40339330

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, jpinx said:

There is no way the DUP deal is impartial -- the Supreme Court will throw it out.  Watch who signs the lawyers cheques!    For the first time in 100 years they went to westminster to "sign in" as MP's - thereby giving their appeal to the supreme court credibility that was missing when they refused to acknowledge the UK government having control of part of "their" island. 

 

TM might be stupid, but clearly she is being manipulated viscously by the back-room tories who are determined to block brexit one way or another.   She will take one for the tory team (again) but her rewards will come later when the Tories re-establish their overall majority. 

 

What's the odds on another GE this year? Just keep doing it till you get the 2 results the tories want -- overall power and stay in the EU.........

The Conspiracy Theories wing of the Hard Brexiteers are always good for a laugh.

[SheungWan]

Latest comment on progress of the Brexit discussions: "I reckon by the end of these negotiations we'll have agreed to join the Euro" 

[jpinx]

4 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Latest comment on progress of the Brexit discussions: "I reckon by the end of these negotiations we'll have agreed to join the Euro" 

The way things are going - - - nothing would surprise me now.......  

 

BTW -- who said that?

Edited June 20, 2017 by jpinx

[AlexRich]

2 hours ago, jpinx said:

There is no way the DUP deal is impartial -- the Supreme Court will throw it out.  Watch who signs the lawyers cheques!    For the first time in 100 years they went to westminster to "sign in" as MP's - thereby giving their appeal to the supreme court credibility that was missing when they refused to acknowledge the UK government having control of part of "their" island. 

 

TM might be stupid, but clearly she is being manipulated viscously by the back-room tories who are determined to block brexit one way or another.   She will take one for the tory team (again) but her rewards will come later when the Tories re-establish their overall majority. 

 

What's the odds on another GE this year? Just keep doing it till you get the 2 results the tories want -- overall power and stay in the EU.........

I do hope you are right ... about the outcome.

[AlexRich]

I doubt Phillip Hammond would have been so bold with his speech today if May had achieved the landslide majority that she sought. The DUP look like they are pushing for a good deal ... perhaps we should have sent them to the EU to undertake the negotiations?

 

I wonder if we are heading for another Tory leader swiftly followed by another General Election? The Tory brexiteer cabal might find that they've handed the keys to Corbyn ... political wilderness followed by a mess to clear up when they eventually get back in power. 

 

What a shambles!

 

 

[onthesoi]

"While we seek to manage migration, we do not seek to shut it down."

 

And, there we have it ...no change to immigration.

[Khun Han]

4 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Try telling that to the Brexiteers.  Likely, they'll just come back with some lame platitudes about making GB great again, and bamboozle you with half cocked calculations of untold wealth from a trade agreement with Bongo Bongo land.

 

What brought on the bout of inanity?

[Khun Han]

1 hour ago, jpinx said:

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

Latest comment on progress of the Brexit discussions: "I reckon by the end of these negotiations we'll have agreed to join the Euro" 

The way things are going - - - nothing would surprise me now.......  

 

And then people will really find out just how 'beneficial' the EU is going to be to us in the long term.

[sandyf]

7 hours ago, AlexRich said:

I doubt Phillip Hammond would have been so bold with his speech today if May had achieved the landslide majority that she sought.

 

It would not have been him making the speech.

[Grouse]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

It would not have been him making the speech.

Current situation is the negotiations are still be carried on by extreme Brexit supporters while Hammond shouts through the letter box at No10! 

[sandyf]

Ms May will also be forced to endure the embarrassment of putting her Queen’s Speech before Parliament without knowing if it can be passed, as she wrote it having failed to secure the support of Democratic Unionist Party MPs needed for her Commons majority.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-queens-speech-dup-first-last-tories-admit-manifesto-pledges-removed-latest-a7799681.html

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Ms May will also be forced to endure the embarrassment of putting her Queen’s Speech before Parliament without knowing if it can be passed, as she wrote it having failed to secure the support of Democratic Unionist Party MPs needed for her Commons majority.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-queens-speech-dup-first-last-tories-admit-manifesto-pledges-removed-latest-a7799681.html

If the DUP insist on a Government commitment to an open border, then May has to walk back from a possible EU no-deal option. This IMHO is the stick-out problem. No way the Tories can cut such a deal AND prevent it leaking AND hold the Hard Brexiteers in line. It might all end up as a minority government with the DUP holding them up for the interim.

Edited June 21, 2017 by SheungWan

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

If the DUP insist on a Government commitment to an open border, then May has to walk back from a possible EU no-deal option.

Any border controls will be in mainland UK; not least to stop the IRA etc raising funds by cross border activities that were otherwise rife.

[Orac]

Any border controls will be in mainland UK; not least to stop the IRA etc raising funds by cross border activities that were otherwise rife.

Border controls between NI and mainland UK? No wonder there is a problem getting a deal with the DUP sorted.


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[evadgib]

15 minutes ago, Orac said:

Border controls between NI and mainland UK? No wonder there is a problem getting a deal with the DUP sorted.

 

I mean the inner border will be seamless in order to minimize the rustling of livestock, drugs, guns, women, fuel, 'Arfur Daley' ringers or anything else attractive to t-t-terrorists.

 

You might not get it but I'm sure both Govts, the EU & USA do despite the latter's lethargy prior to 2001.

Edited June 21, 2017 by evadgib

[nontabury]

13 hours ago, AlexRich said:

We're winning ... enjoy your watered-down Brexit ... you can vote again when we have a referendum on the deal.

Who is we? If Brexit is watered down, I believe it will be your children/grandchildren

who will suffer,due to you selfish Remoaners,putting the interest of yourselves before future generations. But let's Waite and see,so far nothing has been decided.

[AlexRich]

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Who is we? If Brexit is watered down, I believe it will be your children/grandchildren

who will suffer,due to you selfish Remoaners,putting the interest of yourselves before future generations. But let's Waite and see,so far nothing has been decided.

 

Spoken by the ultimate "self-serving" generation ... the one above did it for "the grandkids" ... lol

[SheungWan]

51 minutes ago, evadgib said:

I mean the inner border will be seamless in order to minimize the rustling of livestock, drugs, guns, women, fuel, 'Arfur Daley' ringers or anything else attractive to t-t-terrorists.

 

You might not get it but I'm sure both Govts, the EU & USA do despite the latter's lethargy prior to 2001.

Putting back a border has absolutely nothing to do with security issues. Big fat zero. And to suggest otherwise is pure distraction. The current situation is that since both Eire and the UK are in the EU the border is open. The open border makes NI/united Ireland issues go away not permanently but at least into the long grass. Withdrawal from the EU Hard Brexit style brings them back together with new border arrangements. This is the situation which neither the DUP or Sinn Fein are keen to revisit right now. One other issue which the DUP are more than likely to bring up with Government negotiators is the right to march up and down in the August marching season. Keep your eyes on the negotiations not being set in stone until after the forthcoming August schedule.

Edited June 21, 2017 by SheungWan

[AlexRich]

54 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Putting back a border has absolutely nothing to do with security issues. Big fat zero. And to suggest otherwise is pure distraction. The current situation is that since both Eire and the UK are in the EU the border is open. The open border makes NI/united Ireland issues go away not permanently but at least into the long grass. Withdrawal from the EU Hard Brexit style brings them back together with new border arrangements. This is the situation which neither the DUP or Sinn Fein are keen to revisit right now. One other issue which the DUP are more than likely to bring up with Government negotiators is the right to march up and down in the August marching season. Keep your eyes on the negotiations not being set in stone until after the forthcoming August schedule.

The DUP Tory sticking point has got nothing to do with the border issue, the problem is their demand that the national anthem be changed to "The Sash My Father Wore" ... the Queen seems keen on it!

[Khun Han]

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Ms May will also be forced to endure the embarrassment of putting her Queen’s Speech before Parliament without knowing if it can be passed, as she wrote it having failed to secure the support of Democratic Unionist Party MPs needed for her Commons majority.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-queens-speech-dup-first-last-tories-admit-manifesto-pledges-removed-latest-a7799681.html

If the DUP insist on a Government commitment to an open border, then May has to walk back from a possible EU no-deal option. This IMHO is the stick-out problem. No way the Tories can cut such a deal AND prevent it leaking AND hold the Hard Brexiteers in line. It might all end up as a minority government with the DUP holding them up for the interim.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40339330

 

Although they have not reached a final deal, DUP leader Arlene Foster has said it is "right and proper" that her MPs support the Conservative government's first Queen's Speech.

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

Who is we? If Brexit is watered down, I believe it will be your children/grandchildren

who will suffer,due to you selfish Remoaners,putting the interest of yourselves before future generations. But let's Waite and see,so far nothing has been decided.

Being in the EU is great for young, aspiring, upwardly mobile people. AND they know it. That's why Theresa has no overall majority. The end is nigh!

[mommysboy]

12 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

What brought on the bout of inanity?

The realisation that despite everything the tory right still hasn't got the message.

 

Better inane than insane.

 

Edited June 21, 2017 by mommysboy