May ready for tough talks over Brexit

[melvinmelvin]

27 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

I read the German press daily and speak to my German daughter who lives in Munich on a regular basis, not much is spoken about brexit if at all, seems the Brits take themselves too seriously

 

suffering from significant lack of waves to rule

what to do?

focus inwardly

 

[soalbundy]

1 minute ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

suffering from significant lack of waves to rule

what to do?

focus inwardly

 

There are many in the UK today who long for the days when, if you dipped your finger in the sea and it tasted of salt, it was British, gone for good, the UK is an insignificant island in the North sea.

[AlexRich]

Brexit ... an attempt to get Britain back to those halcyon days that never existed. Ironically by a large percentage who will be dead soon? Leaving the young, who don't want it, to deal with the mess. 

[pitrevie]

Boris Johnson concedes UK will have to pay for Brexit

 

Foreign secretary says UK will meet legal obligations to pay divorce bill to EU, having previously said it could ‘go whistle’.

 

Well so much for that.

[nauseus]

26 minutes ago, pitrevie said:

Boris Johnson concedes UK will have to pay for Brexit

 

Foreign secretary says UK will meet legal obligations to pay divorce bill to EU, having previously said it could ‘go whistle’.

 

Well so much for that.

The 'go whistle' comment was given in case of 'extortionate' demands by the EU, which would by the very nature of the word be illegal. I even have a Guardian link for you:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/jul/11/boris-johnson-eu-leaders-go-whistle-divorce-bill-video

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

Brexit ... an attempt to get Britain back to those halcyon days that never existed. Ironically by a large percentage who will be dead soon? Leaving the young, who don't want it, to deal with the mess. 

Brexit ... an attempt to break Britain free from a failing, corrupt, mismanaged, wasteful bureaucracy, that should never have existed and which the UK would never have joined if the full truth had been told of it. 

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The 'go whistle' comment was given in case of 'extortionate' demands by the EU, which would by the very nature of the word be illegal. I even have a Guardian link for you:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/jul/11/boris-johnson-eu-leaders-go-whistle-divorce-bill-video

 

1) agree with your taking of of the "whistlin' "

 

2)

 

In your link to the Guardian I see something that I find quite amusing that you Brits may not see at all.

Somewhere down there you see a cut of BJ having what you may consider a spat with a blond Swedish female MP.

You can hear from her intervention that she has a pretty good command of the English lingo.

BJ and the lass expose different understandings of the semantics of the term liberate.

 

Now,

having spent most (very thankfully not all) of my prof. life in international negotiations at the treaty/intergovernmental level I have learnt to misuse the English language to the extent that

what I say/write will fly.

To make this short; in my environment the most common terms that needs abused semantics are;

should/shall/would/will, (as well as a few others).

Regarding these terms you would have to adopt skewed semantics if you want your message to fly.

What flies at Eton, in OxBridge and the like doesn't really matter. The treaty world wants it differently.

 

The blond lass and BJ have a spat re the term liberation.

With my experience I would say that the blond's understanding of the semantic wins

and BJ loses, what is right or wrong is rather not relevant.

 

Have a bunch of UK friends and colleagues that over the years have learnt to misuse their former

top notch command of their mother tongue. Required if you want your pitches to fly.

 

What a weird world.

Now, nip and beer time. Unfortunetaley there ain't no Belhaven around here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nauseus]

36 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

1) agree with your taking of of the "whistlin' "

 

2)

 

In your link to the Guardian I see something that I find quite amusing that you Brits may not see at all.

Somewhere down there you see a cut of BJ having what you may consider a spat with a blond Swedish female MP.

You can hear from her intervention that she has a pretty good command of the English lingo.

BJ and the lass expose different understandings of the semantics of the term liberate.

 

Now,

having spent most (very thankfully not all) of my prof. life in international negotiations at the treaty/intergovernmental level I have learnt to misuse the English language to the extent that

what I say/write will fly.

To make this short; in my environment the most common terms that needs abused semantics are;

should/shall/would/will, (as well as a few others).

Regarding these terms you would have to adopt skewed semantics if you want your message to fly.

What flies at Eton, in OxBridge and the like doesn't really matter. The treaty world wants it differently.

 

The blond lass and BJ have a spat re the term liberation.

With my experience I would say that the blond's understanding of the semantic wins

and BJ loses, what is right or wrong is rather not relevant.

 

Have a bunch of UK friends and colleagues that over the years have learnt to misuse their former

top notch command of their mother tongue. Required if you want your pitches to fly.

 

What a weird world.

Now, nip and beer time. Unfortunetaley there ain't no Belhaven around here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

It was from The Guardian + I only looked at the relevant recording. Enjoy Happy Hour. Cheers!

[Grouse]

https://www.economist.com/news/britain/21727080-combination-brexit-and-jeremy-corbyn-could-lead-dystopia-ayn-rand-predicted

 

The Economist is correct!

 

No sane person wants a post Brexit dystopia 

[Grouse]

The Economist being, er, polite to that **** Minford.

 

https://www.economist.com/news/britain/21727078-patrick-minford-thinks-gdp-could-increase-68-most-economists-say-brexit-will-hurt

[dick dasterdly]

On 8/25/2017 at 9:31 AM, soalbundy said:

I read the German press daily and speak to my German daughter who lives in Munich on a regular basis, not much is spoken about brexit if at all, seems the Brits take themselves too seriously

Excellent.

 

So the Eurocrats will do their best to ensure the best deal possible for both the UK and EU?

 

We all live in hope, whilst being cynical about Eurocrats/Brit. politicians/Brit. bureaucrats.....

[dick dasterdly]

On 8/24/2017 at 11:18 PM, Grouse said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41037021

 

What more to Brexiters actually want and why? Unemployment at all time low and EU people much less interested in coming. Great ?

Unemployment statistics have been 'massaged' for decades.... and yes, I'm happy if unemployed, poor people (economic migrants) are "much less interested in coming".

[soalbundy]

5 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Excellent.

 

So the Eurocrats will do their best to ensure the best deal possible for both the UK and EU?

 

We all live in hope, whilst being cynical about Eurocrats/Brit. politicians/Brit. bureaucrats.....

It isn't up to the Eurocrats to ensure a good deal for all and sundry, just for themselves,that is their remit,it is up to the UK to try for the best possible deal in their interests, this wont be a love thy neighbour deal. It will no doubt be a pragmatic outcome although the UK is dreaming if they think they are going to get the same access to European markets as before but it will be a price they, or some of them, are willing to pay to get their country back, whatever that means.

[melvinmelvin]

Blair on the move, towards Brussels;

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-tony-blair-jean-claude-juncker-meeting-talks-brussels-latest-good-friend-a7912461.html

 

 

[Khun Han]

18 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

Blair on the move, towards Brussels;

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-tony-blair-jean-claude-juncker-meeting-talks-brussels-latest-good-friend-a7912461.html

 

 

 

Hopefully they can throw some cuffs on him and pack him off up to The Hague afterward .

[melvinmelvin]

14 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Hopefully they can throw some cuffs on him and pack him off up to The Hague afterward .

 

unlikely to happen me thinks,

 

but if you google (blair brexit) now a series of media notices on his trip to Brussels come up

some of them hinting at Blair is trying to derail  May's brexit efforts

 

worth a quick look, the pots (pieces of text)

 

 

[SheungWan]

GBP on a roll against EURO this last month.

Edited August 26, 2017 by SheungWan

[AlexRich]

1 hour ago, SheungWan said:

GBP on a roll against EURO this last month.

 

Yes, the "soon-to-implode" Euro is rolling ... upwardly ... against a plummeting GBP? European economy strengthens as the UK economy weakens? Brexit script going awry ... taking back control, you know it makes sense Rodney! 

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

GBP on a roll against EURO this last month.

Yes indeed

 

GBP at lowest against EUR since the 2008 crash!

 

I know as I am on vacation in Aragon. 

[Khun Han]

5 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

unlikely to happen me thinks,

 

but if you google (blair brexit) now a series of media notices on his trip to Brussels come up

some of them hinting at Blair is trying to derail  May's brexit efforts

 

worth a quick look, the pots (pieces of text)

 

 

 

I did say a while ago that the pressure is mounting on Blair over his criminality in the second Iraq war. He desperately needs a safe haven, and he sees the EU as that way back to the mainstream. What an utterly repugnant excuse for a human being he is, and he will be hated even more than he is already (as implausible as that seems!) because of his treachery wrt the EU.

[SheungWan]

14 hours ago, Khun Han said:

 

I did say a while ago that the pressure is mounting on Blair over his criminality in the second Iraq war. He desperately needs a safe haven, and he sees the EU as that way back to the mainstream. What an utterly repugnant excuse for a human being he is, and he will be hated even more than he is already (as implausible as that seems!) because of his treachery wrt the EU.

In the Conspiracy Theory Brexiteer's Songbook, everybody who isn't lined up on their side is a treacherous traitor: the Remainers, the UK High Courts, the UK Supreme Court, the House of Lords, the Labour Party, the moderate wing of the Tory Party. Have I left anybody out? And yet who do these Brexiteers line up with? Oh yes! Vladimir Putin. He's a good guy and 'er the French National Front whose historical roots are in the WW2 Vichy Regime. The word 'Traitors'? Our CT Brexiteer friends hardly know the meaning of the word.

[pitrevie]

15 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

In the Conspiracy Theory Brexiteer's Songbook, everybody who isn't lined up on their side is a treacherous traitor: the Remainers, the UK High Courts, the UK Supreme Court, the House of Lords, the Labour Party, the moderate wing of the Tory Party. Have I left anybody out? And yet who do these Brexiteers line up with? Oh yes! Vladimir Putin. He's a good guy and 'er the French National Front whose historical roots are in the WW2 Vichy Regime. The word 'Traitors'? Our CT Brexiteer friends hardly know the meaning of the word.

Yes, Trump, he was the only world leader amongst our allies that was in favour of Brexit.

[Khun Han]

58 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

In the Conspiracy Theory Brexiteer's Songbook, everybody who isn't lined up on their side is a treacherous traitor: the Remainers, the UK High Courts, the UK Supreme Court, the House of Lords, the Labour Party, the moderate wing of the Tory Party. Have I left anybody out? And yet who do these Brexiteers line up with? Oh yes! Vladimir Putin. He's a good guy and 'er the French National Front whose historical roots are in the WW2 Vichy Regime. The word 'Traitors'? Our CT Brexiteer friends hardly know the meaning of the word.

 

Who in these discussions has lined up with Putin? And if you're going to suggest support for Le Front National, quote someone who supports them. I don't. All the above quoted nonsense in response to my post which stated the bald fact that Blair is a war criminal, and has gone behind his government and country's back! Sometimes your posts are like recorded messages.

[SheungWan]

19 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Who in these discussions has lined up with Putin? And if you're going to suggest support for Le Front National, quote someone who supports them. I don't. All the above quoted nonsense in response to my post which stated the bald fact that Blair is a war criminal, and has gone behind his government and country's back! Sometimes your posts are like recorded messages.

I guess you are still happy with the treacherous traitors list then. I sometimes wonder whether the sudden occasional launched attacks against Blair and favourite bogeymen the Germans are not attempted deflections in response to the frustrations felt when the Government appears to be tip-toeing towards a softer Brexit rather than a slamming of the doors desired by the forum hard Brexit team? Let's lash out is the knee-jerk response. They are all in it together! Right?

[melvinmelvin]

More leaders to come. Apparently Yingluck is on her way to the foggy island.

Not exactly world leader, but retired.

 

One would wonder, will she remoan or not?

 

[Khun Han]

25 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

I guess you are still happy with the treacherous traitors list then. I sometimes wonder whether the sudden occasional launched attacks against Blair and favourite bogeymen the Germans are not attempted deflections in response to the frustrations felt when the Government appears to be tip-toeing towards a softer Brexit rather than a slamming of the doors desired by the forum hard Brexit team? Let's lash out is the knee-jerk response. They are all in it together! Right?

 

Oh, I can assure you my distaste for Blair goes a long way back, before he became PM.

[SheungWan]

12 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Oh, I can assure you my distaste for Blair goes a long way back, before he became PM.

Well that's alright then. Though you are having a go at the guy who used to live down the road from me. He was in Richmond Crescent, so a near neighbour then. I went on the knocker for him for the 1997 and 2001General Elections. Labour's record success in those two elections largely due to my input.

Edited August 27, 2017 by SheungWan

[nontabury]

2 hours ago, SheungWan said:

In the Conspiracy Theory Brexiteer's Songbook, everybody who isn't lined up on their side is a treacherous traitor: the Remainers, the UK High Courts, the UK Supreme Court, the House of Lords, the Labour Party, the moderate wing of the Tory Party. Have I left anybody out? And yet who do these Brexiteers line up with? Oh yes! Vladimir Putin. He's a good guy and 'er the French National Front whose historical roots are in the WW2 Vichy Regime. The word 'Traitors'? Our CT Brexiteer friends hardly know the meaning of the word.

You forgot to mention the majority of the British electorate.

[SheungWan]

1 minute ago, nontabury said:

You forgot to mention the majority of the British electorate.

I think you mean a majority of the electorate who voted in the referendum at that time, which is not quite the same thing.

[nontabury]

3 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Well that's alright then. Though you are having a go at the guy who used to live down the road from me. He was in Richmond Crescent, so a near neighbour then. I went on the knocker for him for the 1997 and 2001General Elections. Labour's record success in those two elections largely due to my input.

Don't brag about you involvement,you should hang your head in shame.