rooster59 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Phra Dhammachayo arrest to be done by the book: Prawit By THE NATION DEPUTY Premier General Prawit Wongsuwan expressed confidence yesterday that the planned arrest and legal action against Phra Dhammachayo, the embattled abbot of Wat Dhammakaya, would proceed according to the law. He spoke after deputy national police chief General Srivara Ransi-brahamakul said the monk had until the end of this month to surrender to authorities. The deadline relates to a fresh arrest warrant involving the World Peace Valley Khao Yai monastic retreat’s alleged encroachment on state-owned land in Nakhon Ratchasima province. Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30300854 -- © Copyright The Nation 2016-11-26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannot Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Bloody jokers the lot of them, one bunch of crooks chasing another Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Done by the book ! What book would that be, Prawit in Wonderland or something written by the Brothers Grimm ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxLee Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, rooster59 said: Phra Dhammachayo arrest to be done by the book: Prawit You couldn't just make this up,..... no wonder every influential high-so criminal and their spoilt brats in Thai society are lining up for monkhood....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 None of this has or will be done by the book. Like every big case officials and protocol is just made up as they go along. But never bash these people for being inept and cowardly bullies. Apparently to some members you're allowed to do whatever ever you like and you should still be respected merely because of your position in the police or government, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupatria Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 2 hours ago, NongKhaiKid said: Done by the book ! What book would that be, Prawit in Wonderland or something written by the Brothers Grimm ? Maybe a mix of "the never ending story" and "catch me if you can..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 (edited) God, what a creepy looking guy. He'd make a spectacular Lakorn ghost. Edited November 26, 2016 by Hayduke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexlowe Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 The problem is, the abbot's misguided supporters won't respond "by the book" -- expect bloodshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoon Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 1 hour ago, rkidlad said: None of this has or will be done by the book. Like every big case officials and protocol is just made up as they go along. But never bash these people for being inept and cowardly bullies. Apparently to some members you're allowed to do whatever ever you like and you should still be respected merely because of your position in the police or government, etc. Those would be the members who just love "men in uniform", even though they have slipped into "civvies" in order to masquerade as politicians. They have bought 100% into the myth that the army are the "guardians" of the people and have utterly failed to grasp the fact that, along with all the other factions, the military is only interested in guarding it's own (very full) "rice bowl". Perhaps the believers had a much loved parent who was in the military (or are ex-military themselves) but have again failed, really failed, to notice the difference between the moral outlook and behaviour of the Thai military and that of Western militaries. Perhaps they are just clutching at straws. Deluding themselves that there is a "solution" to those aspects of social organisation and outlook that are normal for this part of the world but alien to them. Aspects which, as the comments in these pages so frequently demonstrate, they fail to understand and are incapable of acknowledging as ongoing reality (past, present and future). Aspects which continue to upset and confuse them. If only it could all be "fixed", and then their dream of that life in the sun, that they thought they were going to live, might come true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klauskunkel Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 done by the book, ... and carried out by dyslexic officials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePai Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 They should throw the book at him - period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catinthehat Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Could anyone please explain to me why this months long (face losing) debacle is still dragging on? Is it the fact that he is a "holy" man and untouchable? Or is it due to the fact that many of his "devout followers" are well connected enough to make all of these agencies back-off? We all know how the rest of the worlds authorities would have handled this. >> Serve warrant >> Read the accused his rights (should be considered innocent until proven guilty) >> Book into the nearest jail facility >> Wait to go before a judge to hear hear the charges, make is plea, determine bail if warranted >> Schedule a trial date on the court docket case over >> Go to trial >> Hear the judge or jury verdict >> If Not guilty - case over >> If guilty - await sentencing and determination of fines, court fees, victim fund fees, etc. All of the above while an investigation and discovery continues Now all of you arm chair TV lawyers, or wannabees, please do not stand on my head if I omitted some fine print >> item. I am not a lawyer. Nor do I profess to be. I am simply pointing out the general sequence of how cases proceed through the legal system. And I know here that it differs immensely. So let me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexlowe Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 1 minute ago, catinthehat said: Could anyone please explain to me why this months long (face losing) debacle is still dragging on? Is it the fact that he is a "holy" man and untouchable? Or is it due to the fact that many of his "devout followers" are well connected enough to make all of these agencies back-off? We all know how the rest of the worlds authorities would have handled this. >> Serve warrant >> Read the accused his rights (should be considered innocent until proven guilty) >> Book into the nearest jail facility >> Wait to go before a judge to hear hear the charges, make is plea, determine bail if warranted >> Schedule a trial date on the court docket case over >> Go to trial >> Hear the judge or jury verdict >> If Not guilty - case over >> If guilty - await sentencing and determination of fines, court fees, victim fund fees, etc. All of the above while an investigation and discovery continues Now all of you arm chair TV lawyers, or wannabees, please do not stand on my head if I omitted some fine print >> item. I am not a lawyer. Nor do I profess to be. I am simply pointing out the general sequence of how cases proceed through the legal system. And I know here that it differs immensely. So let me up. "And I know here that it differs immensely. " You've answered your own question, along with your other observations of "untouchable". But to expand a little -- there is no rhyme nor reason to anything juridical in this country. Apart from the fact that so much interpretation of the law is made up as they go along to suit themselves, there are problems with vagueness and incompleteness of Thai legislation. This creates obfuscation of immense proportions, leaving application of the law in the hands of those with the most power and influence. Just consider, many agencies, government and non-government alike, estimate that at least 50% of the people in prison are innocent -- they've been framed to suit someone's agenda rather than the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psimbo Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 10 minutes ago, catinthehat said: Could anyone please explain to me why this months long (face losing) debacle is still dragging on? Is it the fact that he is a "holy" man and untouchable? Or is it due to the fact that many of his "devout followers" are well connected enough to make all of these agencies back-off? We all know how the rest of the worlds authorities would have handled this. >> Serve warrant >> Read the accused his rights (should be considered innocent until proven guilty) >> Book into the nearest jail facility >> Wait to go before a judge to hear hear the charges, make is plea, determine bail if warranted >> Schedule a trial date on the court docket case over >> Go to trial >> Hear the judge or jury verdict >> If Not guilty - case over >> If guilty - await sentencing and determination of fines, court fees, victim fund fees, etc. All of the above while an investigation and discovery continues Now all of you arm chair TV lawyers, or wannabees, please do not stand on my head if I omitted some fine print >> item. I am not a lawyer. Nor do I profess to be. I am simply pointing out the general sequence of how cases proceed through the legal system. And I know here that it differs immensely. So let me up. Book him Danno! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NongKhaiKid Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 13 minutes ago, Dexlowe said: "And I know here that it differs immensely. " You've answered your own question, along with your other observations of "untouchable". But to expand a little -- there is no rhyme nor reason to anything juridical in this country. Apart from the fact that so much interpretation of the law is made up as they go along to suit themselves, there are problems with vagueness and incompleteness of Thai legislation. This creates obfuscation of immense proportions, leaving application of the law in the hands of those with the most power and influence. Just consider, many agencies, government and non-government alike, estimate that at least 50% of the people in prison are innocent -- they've been framed to suit someone's agenda rather than the law. Remember too Prawit said the police should indeed take action IF HE'S GUILTY so it looks like the BIB have even more authority than we imagined. If the BIB have to decide on guilt who needs courts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldroj Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 "...Phra Dhammachayo arrest to be done by the book..." Maybe, these recalcitrant monks don't read the same book ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smutcakes Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 by the cheque book most probably. no doubt there are furious negotiations going on behind the scenes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morch Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Phra Dhammachayo arrest to be done by the book: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 6 hours ago, rooster59 said: DEPUTY Premier General Prawit Wongsuwan expressed confidence yesterday that the planned arrest and legal action against Phra Dhammachayo, the embattled abbot of Wat Dhammakaya, would proceed according to the law. Really general? according to the law? I sense you are giving us a peek at a failing system. One that transcends rationality, equality and of course something that you often tout democracy. I think by saying "according to the law" we have yet another peek at the junta playbook for the future. Frankly it looks pretty bleak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 When "the day" ever comes there will be trumpets blowing and a red carpet rolled out. A limo will pull up and the driver will hold the door open and a flash of orange will pass through the door. "To the police station my good man take the tourist route" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 2 hours ago, waldroj said: "...Phra Dhammachayo arrest to be done by the book..." Maybe, these recalcitrant monks don't read the same book ??? Maybe, I don't know about not reading the same book, they just ducked (or skipped the country) when it was thrown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retiredandhappyhere Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Surely, they have given the holy man time to scarper by now? Time now to move in to pretend to arrest him and feign absolute shock that he has flown the nest. Dont forget to let his followers know the exact day and time that you will be moving in with your 100 men, just in case he needs a bit more time either to leave or to arrange his latest bout of severe illness. Perhaps that is what they have been hoping for.....that he departs the world and not just his nest, since dead men don't talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbthailand Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 anybody have a Thai-Buddhism Power-structure 101 diagram? I'm curious to see who this guy crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I can see the headlines."DSI searched and could not find Dhammachayo. We will continue searching until we arrest him, Prawit". Given the excessive and long pre-warning, he is either gone or securely hidden in the vast compound of the Wat. Plus the fact that he has lots of money that no man can refused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunderland Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Keystone Cops .... 21st century style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 (edited) 23 hours ago, Lupatria said: Maybe a mix of "the never ending story" and "catch me if you can..." Not forgetting the Ginger Bread Man - Run run run as fast as you can, you can't catch me ..... Edited November 27, 2016 by Artisi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 On 11/26/2016 at 9:58 AM, klauskunkel said: done by the book, ... and carried out by dyslexic officials. ...who will then claim the reward money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Teenagers could do better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvr181 Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Bomb the bunker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 A bombing run by the airforce and a couple of military tanks directly into the area, back by few special forces guys and it should be over in a very short time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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