24 hour immigration registration

[louse1953]

9 hours ago, Anythingleft? said:

This has been bought up before I know but the form on arrival at the airport covers this, nobody is expected to unpack in the hotel or house then trot down immigration to sign in - are they? Am I missing or not understanding the process in some way?

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Nothing to do with you.Hotel or housemasters responsibility.

[louse1953]

10 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

I was at the immigration office in Jomtien 2 weeks ago.  A guy was there with his Thai wife doing his annual visa extension based on marriage.  The official asked where he lived.  He said in my wife's house.  They asked the Thai wife if he was registered to live there.  No.  So, off they went to a back office.  We left, so don't know the outcome, but seems they are cracking down on this.  A new source of revenue for them????

You and the guy are late to the party.Most of us started covering our <deleted> 2 years ago.

[louse1953]

8 hours ago, mettech said:

That 24 hours reporting is all new to me  I got in on October 02-16 did a visa run to Cambodia and returned to Thailand and fill up form for address where I am going in presence of the house owner in that case my common law dual citizen Thai/Canadian.

Was not asked if I had reported to Immigration.

Now I am going to immigration again for a extension of 30 days and do I to expect a fine since I or she did not go to Immigration and report my stay since.???

They are making life very uncomfortable for us these days.

No,they are just following a law that they have been slack on in the past.

[louse1953]

8 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

Sadly the problem is no 2 officers or officers seem to treat it the same way. 

 

I posted about this when it first began in Chiang Mai and was shouted down how it wasnt real, was a storm in a teacup, gone by next month etc.. Despite things like immigration having gone to the trouble of printing dual language leaflets and clearly believing themselves it would not. Now its spread to large swathes of the country, fines are firmer, and yet the rules or immigrations understanding of them are no more concrete. 

 

Legally a renter must do a TM28.. The TM30, and its fines, are for the house owner.. They have stretched that to include the Thai wives of farangs (why god knows, my wife isnt mentioned on my contract, doesnt pay the bills, and is not in any way in the chain) even for rentals or, understandably, when the wifes the house owner. 

 

Turned into a nice little revenue source. 

Only if you don't follow the law.Isn't a fine normal for breaking the law?

[louse1953]

8 hours ago, inzman said:

The Thai govt now is enforcing the law of reporting within 24 hours. Even if you do a one day trip outside the country. But Jomtien immigration is making it almost impossible by also requiring the owner of the house to report. Even a rental contract is not accepted. It must be the owners house book. They are making  it as difficult as they can and the reason, collecting fines! Revenue is down, they are looking at all new revenue streams. We are pawns in this game with no recourse. 

Same as setting up radars on downhills in my country.Pure revenue raising but legal all the same.

[louse1953]

7 hours ago, Mansell said:

I will be living in my wife's house outside of Sara Buri. I was under the impression that she could just report to the local police....is that correct? I have been there many times usually for a month or more and have never reported to anybody. In fact the local village police handled security at our wedding, and nothing is ever mentioned. If we have to go to immigration it is forty kilometers away in LoBuri. Will this be a problem when I do my 90 day report? Thanks guys.

Normally the police do not want to know,nothing in it for them.A lot of us do a lot more than 40 k,hundreds with some lads.No problem,just pay the fine.

[autoc]

On 12/8/2016 at 7:50 PM, Zappo said:

I have a work permit, marriage visa and it is my thai wife who is officially running the house area.

I read the law all ready and it clearly says it is the house owners responsibility. I told that to immigration officer but she ignored it.

Thai immigration seems to enforce their personal rules, not the law.

 

 

Since when these people know anything ?

 

Just ignore and report to somebody higher who knows what he is doing, if such person exists in this country...

 

 

 

[Maestro]

Only if you don't follow the law.Isn't a fine normal for breaking the law?

It is sometimes difficult to follow the law (Immigration Act) when different immigration officers interpret it differently.

For a rented residence, some officers want the TM.30 from the tenant, who is the house-master, ie the possessor in his capacity as tenant as defined in section 4 of the Immigration Act, some officers want it from the owner even though he is not the possessor and therefore not the house-master, some officers don't care which of the two submit it, some officers want both to submit it, and the remaining officers don't care whether anybody submits it.

This is the current situation as I understand it from the multitude of experiences that have been posted by members.

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[sandyf]

20 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Indeed, neither do Chonburi.

 

They use the computer records of immigration as the basis for fining or not. TM6 addresses are not data entered only scanned. TM30 is required in addition to TM6. Chonburi don't seem to be bothering with TM28 at this point, thank God.

There are 3 immigration offices in Chonburi, Pattaya, Sri Ratcha and Koh Sichang. It is obvious from the comments on here that 2 operate differently, never seen anything mentioned about Koh Sichang.

I use Sri Ratcha and there is nothing new about TM30. When I did my first extension over 3 years ago, there was nothing said, they just handed my wife a TM30 to complete. The receipt has been in my passport ever since and I have done many TM6's and 90 days since then.

[LivinLOS]

15 hours ago, louse1953 said:

Only if you don't follow the law.Isn't a fine normal for breaking the law?

 

I would agree if the law was clear, understood, and applied equally in all places.. Currently the law is unworkable and not understood. 

 

I fly into Thailand on a Friday afternoon, departing monday morning.. Immigration is closed.. Yet I am legally obligated to have done a report.. Its the law !! 

 

No one could answer what happens to a report when I go camp in a national park.. The park warden is obligated to report me ?? 

 

The law, as understood today, is different from as understood yesterday, is different from as understood in another office, etc etc.. And yet we are liable for fines arising from this lack of understanding. 

[Briggsy]

19 minutes ago, sandyf said:

There are 3 immigration offices in Chonburi, Pattaya, Sri Ratcha and Koh Sichang. It is obvious from the comments on here that 2 operate differently, never seen anything mentioned about Koh Sichang.

I use Sri Ratcha and there is nothing new about TM30. When I did my first extension over 3 years ago, there was nothing said, they just handed my wife a TM30 to complete. The receipt has been in my passport ever since and I have done many TM6's and 90 days since then.

I also use Sri Racha. I imagine the address from the TM30 from 3 years ago was then entered into the immigration system. So the address on your TM47 (90 days) and the computer match so they do not demand another TM30.

 

My condo informed them of my staying there when I rented it 6 years ago. It appears immigration didn't bother to enter the address or the immigration computer system was upgraded and so my address in Sri Racha for whatever reason did not match the computer.

 

Sri Racha immigration then insisted my condo fill out another TM30 (which theoretically they should do every time I leave the condo for 24 hours) and they fined my condo. So, it appears they use the computer record on the immigration computer system as the basis for deciding when another TM30 is required.

[LivinLOS]

15 hours ago, louse1953 said:

You and the guy are late to the party.Most of us started covering our <deleted> 2 years ago.

 

I did the opposite.. Stopped doing extension.. 

[AlQaholic]

On 12/9/2016 at 3:56 PM, oobar said:

Wrong.  I have a lease of 30/60 years for two rai of land.  I built the house and own it by right of superficies, all  filed in the local land office.

Yes, as I already said in post number 14........

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, Briggsy said:

I also use Sri Racha. I imagine the address from the TM30 from 3 years ago was then entered into the immigration system. So the address on your TM47 (90 days) and the computer match so they do not demand another TM30.

 

My condo informed them of my staying there when I rented it 6 years ago. It appears immigration didn't bother to enter the address or the immigration computer system was upgraded and so my address in Sri Racha for whatever reason did not match the computer.

 

Sri Racha immigration then insisted my condo fill out another TM30 (which theoretically they should do every time I leave the condo for 24 hours) and they fined my condo. So, it appears they use the computer record on the immigration computer system as the basis for deciding when another TM30 is required.

Most people that talk about Chonburi are referring to the Pattaya office in Jomtien, gets a bit misleading.

You are probably right about the computer system not being fully integrated back then. I have been here about 8 years, got my yellow book beginning of 2010, but the first 5 years were on multi non o so it was the first time I had been to immigration since getting married and not in a hotel.

Not sure you are right about the 'theoretical' comment, I got the impression from immigration that it was only required if you changed address. When I did my extension in July I had only been back from the UK a few days but the IO pointed out that my 90 day was due in a couple of weeks. I said I had just come back so she asked for my passport back, looked through it and apologised, said 90 days from when you arrived, no mention of another TM30. It may be they take a different view between those in their own home and those renting.

[JimGant]

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This has been bought up before I know but the form on arrival at the airport covers this, nobody is expected to unpack in the hotel or house then trot down immigration to sign in - are they? Am I missing or not understanding the process in some way?

 

Got to our house early Friday morning, after a long flight from DC. Woke up Friday afternoon, with no energy to head for Immigration, so had to wait until Monday to file our TM30. Were queried as to why we didn't report within 24 hours, which would have required, of course, reporting on Friday. Wife tried to explain the concept of jet lag -- which resulted in a wry smile -- and a "my boss may call and request you pay a fine." Offered to pay then and there to preclude having to do a return visit. Said, "no, wait for phone call." Which never came. Also, tried to submit my TM28, and was told in no uncertain terms that they had no interest in this. This was at Bldg 3, Chiang Mai Immigration at the airport.

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So basically , as I was returning to the same address they had on file for me from my 90 day reports( prior to leaving the country) and my permission to stay extension ( from the previous year) and also my arrivals card when returning into Swampy............it seemed my GF WAS NOT required to report within 24 hours that I was ( once again) living at her house.

 

Chiang Mai Immigration's policy, as several have reported in the Chiang Mai forum, is that Immigration only requires a visit if you've left and re-entered the country (thus generating a new TM6) to the address on file. Whereupon, Immigration annotates your existing TM30 receipt.