Dhammachayo disciples seeking royal help to avoid possible violence

[ratcatcher]

1 minute ago, performance said:

There is no religion there. They probably traffic woman as well. Better still burn it down

With comments like that people might think you are a "Waco"

[performance]

12 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

With comments like that people might think you are a "Waco"

Just well informed son.

[webfact]

Temple followers to petition King over ‘persecution’ of Dhammachayo
By Anan Wijitpracha, 
Pongsatat Rujiputthanyapat 
The Nation 

 

Ongart Thamnita, spokesman for Dhammakaya Temple’s followers, holds a picture of HM King Maha Vajiralongkorn during a press conference yesterday. Photo Anan Wijitpracha

 

DHAMMAKAYA TEMPLE’S followers are planning to petition HM King Maha Vajiralongkorn for help over what they believe are unfair actions against the temple and its current “honorary” abbot Phra Dhammachayo.

 

“We will ask for royal protection,” Ongart Thamnita said yesterday on behalf of the temple’s followers. 

 

According to Ongart, the followers suspect that the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) and the Natural Resources and Environmental Crime Suppression Division (NRECSD) are unfairly persecuting the temple and fugitive former abbot Phra Dhammachayo. 

 

The monk is wanted on charges of money laundering in relation to the embezzlement of several billion baht from the Klongchan Credit Union Cooperative. Since the scandal broke, followers of the temple have returned more than Bt1 billion to the cooperative, maintaining that Phra Dhammachayo and related monks received the money as donations without knowing it was related to fraud. 

 

Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30301926

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2016-12-12

[metisdead]

An off topic trolling post has been removed. 

[wayned]

The "official" notice that they should receive is a public letter from the king advising the monk and his followers to surrender him to the authorities without provoking any violence and to let the justice system decide his fate!  Would that end it, probably not!

[Srikcir]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

petition HM King Maha Vajiralongkorn for help

And Prayut sighed with relief for not being asked to intercede.

[silent]

 

On 12/10/2016 at 8:30 PM, ratcatcher said:

With comments like that people might think you are a "Waco"

 

ya think?

[ratcatcher]

2 minutes ago, silent said:

ya think?

  On 10/12/2016 at 8:28 PM, performance said:

There is no religion there. They probably traffic woman as well. Better still burn it down

 

Sure do.

[klauskunkel]

Quote

Temple followers to petition King over ‘persecution’ of Dhammachayo

Aaah, they found the big word, finally. Took them long enough. All praise to Google.

[silent]

2 minutes ago, ratcatcher said:

  On 10/12/2016 at 8:28 PM, performance said:

There is no religion there. They probably traffic woman as well. Better still burn it down

 

Sure do.

Ya think I need be careful how I say I agree?  

[silent]

1 minute ago, klauskunkel said:

Aaah, they found the big word, finally. Took them long enough. All praise to Google.

They need to learn the word exacerbating and stop?

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[mikebell]

The big paper this morning promises 'There will be blood' if the authorities attempt to make a legal arrest.  The authorities involved have conveniently provided a full list of how many personnel they plan to use in the operation + armoured vehicles and helicopters.  Oh they also provided the time and date when the operation is to take place lest the fake-Abbott's supporters are unprepared.

[Reigntax]

On Saturday, December 10, 2016 at 11:01 AM, scorecard said:

"... “unlawful” bid to prosecute Phra Dhammachayo".

 

There seems to be more than enough details to show that the DSI and the police are doing what they should be doing.

 

Buddhism way way off the rails here driven by folks who have no hesitation to tell lies and practice severe deceit and twisting of the facts.

 

 

 

Ìts not limited to just Buddhism. They are just following the example set by the self proclaimed ruling class.

[AlQaholic]

Strange how this saga is allowed to continue....Dammakhaya has simply become too powerful for the established elites' comfort.

Dammakhaya paid back all the money to KCUC which Supachai donated from his embezzlements, KCUC has in writing withdrawn any charges and thanked Dammakhaya for the repayment, and still DSI is going after the temple???

In the meantime, what happened to Supachai??? That would be much more interesting than watching DSI making a fool of themselves.

The simple truth is, even if DSI somehow manage to get Dammayayo in custody, there is no case against him which can be proven in court.

Edited December 12, 2016 by AlQaholic

[TheFishman1]

Give me a break so now the money was just a donation Lol WHAT WILL THEY THINK OF NEXT O HE TO ILL NO THEY ALREADY TRIED THAT BY THE TIME THE CoosACT ME THINK HE WILL BE LONG Gone TIT

[smedly]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

followers of the temple have returned more than Bt1 billion to the cooperative, maintaining that Phra Dhammachayo and related monks received the money as donations without knowing it was related to fraud. 

so prove it in court, and where exactly is the rest of the money

 

sounds to me like there a lot of guilty parties involved

 

and just how much money has the very upstanding Ongart Thamnita  got and how did he get it

 

what a can of worms this place is

[AlQaholic]

Well the law is the law, prove it was money laundering in court.

And I still wanna know what happened to Supachai.....

Edited December 12, 2016 by AlQaholic

[smedly]

On ‎12‎/‎10‎/‎2016 at 2:51 PM, scorecard said:

 

I add a bit more... and no hesitation to totally ignore serious laws about corruption, theft and more. All laws which are critical to building and maintaining a fair and just civil society.

 

They have no hesitation to just ignore that much of the money stolen and accepted by their 'god' is the life savings of poor and middle income folks.  

 

All in all these disciples selfish brainwashed fools support many of the serious ills this country (which I love) desperately needs to be rid of.

what they support is the free flow of money into their pockets regardless of where it came from, so they say they gave some back - where exactly did the rest of it go - many billions seemingly unaccounted for, I have a reasonable idea about that - it's sitting in a Swiss bank account

[AlQaholic]

3 minutes ago, smedly said:

what they support is the free flow of money into their pockets regardless of where it came from, so they say they gave some back - where exactly did the rest of it go - many billions seemingly unaccounted for, I have a reasonable idea about that - it's sitting in a Swiss bank account

Supachai embezzled about 12 billion from the KCUC, he gave about 1.5 billion to Dammakhaya (at least that is what could be traced), Dammakhaya folowers collected the 1.5 billion in two installments, gave it back and KCUC thanked them in writing and dropped all charges. Where the rest of the money went is far more interesting and also what is of Supachai, than the DSI making a fool of themselves instead of going after the real money that disapeared.

[scorecard]

39 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

Strange how this saga is allowed to continue....Dammakhaya has simply become too powerful for the established elites' comfort.

Dammakhaya paid back all the money to KCUC which Supachai donated from his embezzlements, KCUC has in writing withdrawn any charges and thanked Dammakhaya for the repayment, and still DSI is going after the temple???

In the meantime, what happened to Supachai??? That would be much more interesting than watching DSI making a fool of themselves.

The simple truth is, even if DSI somehow manage to get Dammayayo in custody, there is no case against him which can be proven in court.

 

Strange response, you don't seem to understand that a serious (and large) crime was committed and therefore the matter should be fully investigated and if someone broke the law they should be punished.

 

The fact that the money has been paid back is not relevant. Imagine this; someone steals your car and has no intention of returning it until he/she discovers that the police are closing in, then the thief rushes to give it back. Therefore, in your view, no further action is needed. If this was the way the law worked there is not enough deterrent to discourage / strongly frighten others to not commit crimes. 

 

You mention: "The simple truth is, even if DSI somehow manage to get Dammayayo in custody, there is no case against him which can be proven in court."  In any event the DSI / the police have a duty to fully investigate this heft / scam and therefore they must interview anybody they believe may be connected and/or may be able to give information which will aid the investigation.  Without legal processes like this the law would be totally limp and in many cases unable to find the  actual culprits. 

 

You might also remember that the money was not paid back until there was serious action against the monk / the temple was under discussion.

 

You ask 'what happened to Supachai'? He's in jail, has been already for a couple of years on a quite long incarceration sentence and with further charges in the pipeline. Perhaps you also believe that since the money was paid back (you mention this, not me) that Supachai should be released. You also forget that the depositors who had they savings stolen from them have a right to see somebody punished.

Edited December 12, 2016 by scorecard

[moe666]

25 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

Well the law is the law, prove it was money laundering in court.

And I still wanna know what happened to Supachai.....

Sixteen years for crime

[AlQaholic]

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

The fact that the money has been paid back is not relevant. Imagine this; someone steals your car and has no intention of returning it until he/she discovers that the police are closing in, then the thief rushes to give it back. Therefore, in your view, no further action is needed. If this was the way the law worked there is not enough deterrent to discourage / strongly frighten others to not commit crimes. 

Imagine this; someone steals 1000 baht from you and gives 10 Baht to charity, when you confront the person, he will not give the money back because it "dissapeared". Somehow you find out that he gave 10 baht of your money to charity, so you go after the charity, they give back the 10 Baht and you issue a letter of thanks and say the charity have not committed any crime against you. Meanwhile the person who stole your money goes to jail without giving up the secret of where the rest of the money is. At the same time the Police goes after the charity because they have no other leads....

[scorecard]

1 minute ago, AlQaholic said:

Imagine this; someone steals 1000 baht from you and gives 10 Baht to charity, when you confront the person, he will not give the money back because it "dissapeared". Somehow you find out that he gave 10 baht of your money to charity, so you go after the charity, they give back the 10 Baht and you issue a letter of thanks and say the charity have not committed any crime against you. Meanwhile the person who stole your money goes to jail without giving up the secret of where the rest of the money is. At the same time the Police goes after the charity because they have no other leads....

 

Sorry I don't buy it. You still don't mention the fact that the deposits, many of whom are poor and low income earners have a right to justice.

[AlQaholic]

1 minute ago, scorecard said:

 

Sorry I don't buy it. You still don't mention the fact that the deposits, many of whom are poor and low income earners have a right to justice.

You somehow have the conviction that Dammakhayo colluded in the embezzlement from KCUC, in fact was a partner in the crime, you must know something I do not. It is fair to suspect something like that, but remember at the time a donation to Dammakhayo of such magnitude was not uncommon.

[scorecard]

In regard to entering the temple, seems to me the best way is to block all entrances and totally prohibit anybody / all vehicles (including supplies) from entering and also give all people who try to enter a document to show they have been warned and any further attempt will mean detention.

 

Folks already in the temple can leave but cannot re-enter. May be slow buy worth a try.

[scorecard]

2 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

You somehow have the conviction that Dammakhayo colluded in the embezzlement from KCUC, in fact was a partner in the crime, you must know something I do not. It is fair to suspect something like that, but remember at the time a donation to Dammakhayo of such magnitude was not uncommon.

 

I have said nothing like that.

 

The fact that the temple received other big donations is beside the point.

[performance]

There obviously just as guilty as he is. Who cares what they do.

[Srikcir]

7 minutes ago, AlQaholic said:

you must know something I do not

It's what OAG knows that counts.

OAG's decision to indict Supachi and Dhammachayo was based on "convincing" evidence provided by DSI and plaintiffs in the case that justified prosecutors to seek arrest warrants. Once OAG hear's the defedents testimony, it will decide whether to proceed with the indictment or not.

As long as Dhammachayo evades the authorities, neither DSI or OAG is not obligated to reveal the evidence against Dhammachayo. Either OAG lets the statute of limitations expire by allowing the abbot to remain at large or tries the abbot in absentia.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, AlQaholic said:

Strange how this saga is allowed to continue....Dammakhaya has simply become too powerful for the established elites' comfort.

Dammakhaya paid back all the money to KCUC which Supachai donated from his embezzlements, KCUC has in writing withdrawn any charges and thanked Dammakhaya for the repayment, and still DSI is going after the temple???

In the meantime, what happened to Supachai??? That would be much more interesting than watching DSI making a fool of themselves.

The simple truth is, even if DSI somehow manage to get Dammayayo in custody, there is no case against him which can be proven in court.

 

http://dealbook.nytimes.com//2009/06/29/should-charities-repay-their-madoff-money/

 

This case is quite similar to the Madoff fraud and some of his ill-gotten money went to charities. Have a read and form your own opinion but bottom line was that the charities were not in collusion with his fraud and they were not charged but may be sued or money need to be returned. IMO, how this charity money resulted in charges in the temple's case are still not convincing to me and in my opinion looks like this all a political gamesmanship.