Lawless Thailand

[NickJ]

So what is it? Sign over a share to her or all of it?

No will. Used to mean the eldest son would get it. 

Anyways. If you threaten to kill a person in Thailand, and they believe it. A crime has been committed. So at the least a police report needs to be filed.

I would also check the chanote or chanotes if there are multiple properties. See if they are clean or not.

Should have left a will.

 

[Global Guy]

1 hour ago, alwaysrainsinUK said:

No mate its your decision to talk about only Thailand and its my decision to draw comparisons to other countrys equally as lawless .

In other words as Thai people like to say ...... Up to me and up to you ;0))

 

I was only pointing out the inaccuracies in your logic. I'm not trying to tell you what to do.

 

Something happening in the country of the discussion is not justified by it happening elsewhere on the planet. No one said it only happens in Thailand so for you to write it not only happens in Thailand is addressing something that wasn't on topic.

 

Let's just say, you had the last word and be done with it so we can avoid another apples to oranges reply.

[user82374298374]

My guess is that it's a scam to get the farang to cough up 20 million baht . . .

[Deepinthailand]

How can you say Lawless when in fact the law has not been broken as yet only implied which is one word against another. Has anyone bothered to seek the laws help guess not.

Had an Uncle of the wifes turn up 3 years ago said that 3 acres of the wifes land which is in her name and has been for 15 years.  Belong to him as wifes gran uncles mother told him it was his before she died 16 years ago. He sat talking constantly looking at me getting very loud and agitated. In the end in my best thai I told him he wasn't getting any money from me or land from the wife and suggested he dissappear from whence he came. 2 years later we here he was killed by a relative of the wifes a distant cousin for trying to pull a very similar stunt. It's all bravado I wouldn't worry about it.

[JungleBiker]

I used to know a lady in Khon Kaen. She ran an ornamental plant trading business. Had a couple of plant shops. One day she was found dead in one of the shops. She had been hacked to death. The story was that there had been a family dispute over some land. 

[hdkane]

19 hours ago, ocddave said:

Hire the hitman first, problem solved.

I know you are being facetious, but that would probably work...I have been threatened before here, and my response was to inform the fellow that he would be much easier to kill than I would be, simply because my nationality would attract a lot more attention...as noted above, I gathered the evidence, and gave it to my gf and attorney...and instructions/money to retaliate...the attorney contacted the fellow with everything in hand, and I"ve never heard from the guy again...but to be honest, I'm older with health problems, so my attitude about these things is not very reasonable...if I thought I might live another 20 years, certainly I would be more cautious...

 

anyone can find the Thainess inside them if they don't really care about consequences...

[IAMHERE]

My math may be off but it looks like 3/8ths of 20 million is at stake; one of those Thai's knows how to handle this situation better than any number of Farang do; especially with that kind of money invilved But for sure, tell those 3 to get wills made leaving their portion to others so that instead of 3 killings doing the job for the youngest sister she is gonna have to kill everyone in the 3 wills too.

[SiamBeast]

The law is the same for everyone. Only the enforcement differs according to how well you pay.

[NanLaew]

On 1/14/2017 at 0:48 AM, johnj said:

My friends family are good people who have to live with the threat of being murdered by some low life hanging over them if they don't give up what is legally their right to claim a share of.

Are you sure about that?

 

On 1/14/2017 at 0:48 AM, johnj said:

My friends father was told by the husband or boyfriend of his youngest sister that he and two others of the family would be murdered if they didn't sign over the estate to the youngest sister and her husband or boyfriend.

Lets play spot the delinquents.

[Wonderboy]

I been in Thailand for 15 years. The first 10 without incident. Unfortunately I bought an expensive condo from a what turned out to be a crooked developer. Someone mentioned that crime is rife around the world, and yes, that is true. What sets Thailand apart from developed nations is that their legal system is not working, on any level...

If someone told me how the developer is able to get away with obvious criminal behavior I would not believed it. There's been countless court cases against him, he either gets off the hook on a technicality where the judge goes to any lengths to find a reason to let him go, the case drags out for eternity without any ruling, or he gets sentenced, but sentence is never enforced. Even our own lawyers work against us. The legal system here is non-existent when lots of money is involved.

WB

[ocddave]

10 hours ago, Wonderboy said:

I been in Thailand for 15 years. The first 10 without incident. Unfortunately I bought an expensive condo from a what turned out to be a crooked developer. Someone mentioned that crime is rife around the world, and yes, that is true. What sets Thailand apart from developed nations is that their legal system is not working, on any level...

If someone told me how the developer is able to get away with obvious criminal behavior I would not believed it. There's been countless court cases against him, he either gets off the hook on a technicality where the judge goes to any lengths to find a reason to let him go, the case drags out for eternity without any ruling, or he gets sentenced, but sentence is never enforced. Even our own lawyers work against us. The legal system here is non-existent when lots of money is involved.

WB

 

Which is why I won't have any bank accounts here in my name, or own anything here, everything will be done in my wifes name while I am here. She is pretty good with her money, and working her way thru the many ridiculous government systems here, one tough cookie, she even lambasted immigration last time we were their for their ineptness (and won)....she's got cojones! 

[khunpa]

I would not call it lawless, just truly "messed up" to a point were you can easily doubt if there is any justice and law at all...

 

Best thing for anyone here is to just keep a low profile, live a quite life and keep you money in a safe place. (outside of Thailand). One of the reasons I never hang out with Thais other than my family members and also avoid most farangs living here fulltime. 

 

When I first came here, I tried to do investments and build a decent company here. Was thinking it would be good for all locals, by e.g. creating well-paid jobs and contributing to the local society. Boy, was I stupid! Wanting to contribute and do good, will only take you down in this place.

 

 

 

[starky]

What no <deleted> outside of Thailand has been stood over or  knocked for @ 700 000 dollars? Give me a break <deleted> get killed every day jacked and murdered all over the world for a shedload less than 20 million baht.

[HHTel]

On 1/14/2017 at 5:06 PM, alwaysrainsinUK said:

No mate its your decision to talk about only Thailand and its my decision to draw comparisons to other countrys equally as lawless .

 

You choose to draw comparisons then the murder rate in:

United Kingdom = 0.9%

Thailand              = 3.9%

 

Not really equal is it?

 

[dageurreotype]

23 hours ago, ocddave said:

 

Which is why I won't have any bank accounts here in my name, or own anything here, everything will be done in my wifes name while I am here. She is pretty good with her money, and working her way thru the many ridiculous government systems here, one tough cookie, she even lambasted immigration last time we were their for their ineptness (and won)....she's got cojones! 

 

And if Your Wife () dies?

[Savilesghost]

On 14/01/2017 at 2:22 PM, ronaldo0 said:

The wild west had nothing on this place !! Too many lunatics with hair trigger mentality that are in possession off firearms here !!

 

You have obviously never lived or travelled to many countries outside your land of birth then and one suppose your first move "overseas" was to shack up with some girl or boy in Thsiland ?

 

In the wild west stakes,  Thailand is a light weight 

 

 

[ocddave]

3 minutes ago, dageurreotype said:

 

And if Your Wife () dies?

 

I'll head back to the USA with my daughter, and we continue our life, sad as it may be.

 

I am only here for a short time (few more years), I have no intention of staying here, the negatives (can't stand city life, polluted water, polluted air, unsafe drivers, unsafe food, heavy corruption, lack of a legitimate functioning legal system, political turmoil that's just waiting to boil over into violence again, poor English-education system,etc., etc.) outweigh the positives.

[claffey]

On 1/14/2017 at 5:02 PM, Khon Kaen Dave said:

I have a house in Battersea,Sw London,UK.My will reads that if i die here,my wife will contact my solicitor in the UK.The arrangement is that my wife and daughter would sell the property and the proceeds split between them.My solicitor is a good friend and is perfectly aware of what can happen over here,as he lived here for some years.My will and any money is in the uk and is available by an ATM here.There is only ever 50,000 baht in that account.My death would have to be supported by a proper death certificate,of which a copy sent to my solicitor.I believe that my wife would have to present the certificate to the British Embassy.This is all arranged by a friend who is in business here.I make bi monthly calls to my solicitor as 'proof of life' And also i am in constant contact . with her by Android.There are plenty of email addresses and phone numbers available to all parties,to make the division of the money as easy as possible.I have advised mrs Kaen not to engage a solicitor her,as my one is capable of handling all matters.If it meant visits by plane to here my solicitor would be happy to do so.

The house is nothing huge or fantastic,but my grandfather bought it many years ago,it has always been in the family,and i no longer have any family to who i am responsible. I had the property valued some time ago and it had increased beyond my wildest dreams.Battersea was a shit are years ago but has now escalated to the high earning classes.My point is that if i was to be murdered,or met with a nasty accident,there would be so many hurdles to jump before anybody got anything.I can think of no other way to self guard my wishes.I am worth more alive than dead here.

Wow. You really trust your wife and her family it seems!!! Why do people marry into families that they don't trust?

[Savilesghost]

11 minutes ago, claffey said:

Wow. You really trust your wife and her family it seems!!! Why do people marry into families that they don't trust?

 

Why are people so naive to trust people who are not direct blood relatives and sometimes you cant even trust blood relatives, nothing wrong with KKD has done as regards his own affairs ......yes yes we know yours is different 

 

Given the repution of what goes on in Thailand as regards old coffin dodgers getting knocked off by spouses and they claimed theirs  were different also 

 

KKD is being smart and responsible and your remarks are exceptionally naive to say the least as no knows how a relationship will turn out in 5/10/15 years down the line and yes people change 

 

 

 

[ronaldo0]

1 hour ago, Savilesghost said:

You have obviously never lived or travelled to many countries outside your land of birth then and one suppose your first move "overseas" was to shack up with some girl or boy in Thsiland ?

 

In the wild west stakes,  Thailand is a light weight 

 

 

You know me so well !!

Alas you are so wrong in your obvious assumption !!

[Savilesghost]

5 minutes ago, ronaldo0 said:

You know me so well !!

Alas you are so wrong in your obvious assumption !!

Your naive response suggests i am not wrong or are you just out to Thai bash and have a whinge ? 

[ronaldo0]

43 minutes ago, Savilesghost said:

Your naive response suggests i am not wrong or are you just out to Thai bash and have a whinge ? 

Naive response?? You are very presumptuous with your words which i suggest you look up the meaning off.

What i said was a statement off my opinion, not everyone needs to adhere to your opinion im afraid.

I would say the amount off murders i have known on such a small island as samui  would justify my statement. 

Im off to be naive in my whinging and Thai bashing  ,which you as someone who knows me so well is certain that is what i do.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

Claffy

you are very much mistaken,.My wife here can do nothing except call my daughter who will call my solicitor,who will set things in motion.Once my daughter is in possession of the certificate and it states 'natural cause/what ever,only then will any moneys be forthcoming.My daughter is the executor of the will and will dole out money as i have stated.Did you think that i was stupid enough to settle a large amount of proceeds in one lump?My daughter is very able to jump on a plane and see what is being spent on whom.She speaks to my wife regularly,via android, and i have taken up to date photos of the village and the houses.If all of a sudden,new houses are being built for the family,then the money stops.My daughter has total control over all my finances and is able to dispense money as she sees fit.There are also rules in place that prevent the interest on any share she is entitled to is not paid to her,I got no interest here after all.The money also ceases if she marries again,and it can be proved.The money ,at all times remains in the Uk and  under my daughters control.If something is perceived to be amiss,it stops immediately.Also,in parting, i would state that my wife's entitlement,will be enough to pay the expenses on the house, Food,Water,Electric,Bottled gas, and any repairs thereof, The satellite tv,and wifi,i have insisted that she keeps this going. She also gets the money from the sale of the car,if she chooses to sell it. There is an amount of spending money she gets to enable her to have a few pleasures,shoes,clothing and personal items. I promised her i would take care,and i will,but she has to know that she has a game to play.

Now i hope that this has satisfied your inquiry and all your questions regarding my finances are  answered.

[anotheruser]

On 1/14/2017 at 3:59 PM, Jinxed said:

If its lawless pay to get the other guy murdered first

 

Indeed, why take any chances? Have them all whacked in a pre-emptive strike. 

[Savilesghost]

19 hours ago, ronaldo0 said:

Naive response?? You are very presumptuous with your words which i suggest you look up the meaning off.

What i said was a statement off my opinion, not everyone needs to adhere to your opinion im afraid.

I would say the amount off murders i have known on such a small island as samui  would justify my statement. 

Im off to be naive in my whinging and Thai bashing  ,which you as someone who knows me so well is certain that is what i do.

Woffle woffle woffle 

[joeyg]

On 1/14/2017 at 0:56 AM, mstevens said:

Money can cause people to behave badly and so some really strange things.  That seems to be even more so in Thailand but in fairness, this is an extreme situation and you'd hardly call this sort of thing "normal".  Still, plenty of people get threatened, hurt or even killed for much less than 20 million baht!

I think the people making the threats are confusing themselves with Wall Street Bankers.

[brling]

On 1/14/2017 at 9:51 AM, alwaysrainsinUK said:

 

 

lets not start on England were on the news theres murders an rapes daily  .... nevermind the 1,400 girls in Rotheram plied with alcohol & drugs and raped by muslim men an passed on to family members .

 

.........and thats only 2 countrys mentioned an only a few examples of many  so lets not get blinkered here. .

 

 

 

 Rubbish, The murder rate is 400% more in Thailand than the UK. You Thai apologist need to check your facts before try to defend all things Thai.

[claffey]

On 1/17/2017 at 2:49 PM, Savilesghost said:

 

Why are people so naive to trust people who are not direct blood relatives and sometimes you cant even trust blood relatives, nothing wrong with KKD has done as regards his own affairs ......yes yes we know yours is different 

 

Given the repution of what goes on in Thailand as regards old coffin dodgers getting knocked off by spouses and they claimed theirs  were different also 

 

KKD is being smart and responsible and your remarks are exceptionally naive to say the least as no knows how a relationship will turn out in 5/10/15 years down the line and yes people change 

 

 

 

Well surely it's a good idea to marry someone that you trust? I trust my wife but then again, we are the same age and met while working in the same office...

[claffey]

On 1/17/2017 at 5:45 PM, Khon Kaen Dave said:

Claffy

you are very much mistaken,.My wife here can do nothing except call my daughter who will call my solicitor,who will set things in motion.Once my daughter is in possession of the certificate and it states 'natural cause/what ever,only then will any moneys be forthcoming.My daughter is the executor of the will and will dole out money as i have stated.Did you think that i was stupid enough to settle a large amount of proceeds in one lump?My daughter is very able to jump on a plane and see what is being spent on whom.She speaks to my wife regularly,via android, and i have taken up to date photos of the village and the houses.If all of a sudden,new houses are being built for the family,then the money stops.My daughter has total control over all my finances and is able to dispense money as she sees fit.There are also rules in place that prevent the interest on any share she is entitled to is not paid to her,I got no interest here after all.The money also ceases if she marries again,and it can be proved.The money ,at all times remains in the Uk and  under my daughters control.If something is perceived to be amiss,it stops immediately.Also,in parting, i would state that my wife's entitlement,will be enough to pay the expenses on the house, Food,Water,Electric,Bottled gas, and any repairs thereof, The satellite tv,and wifi,i have insisted that she keeps this going. She also gets the money from the sale of the car,if she chooses to sell it. There is an amount of spending money she gets to enable her to have a few pleasures,shoes,clothing and personal items. I promised her i would take care,and i will,but she has to know that she has a game to play.

Now i hope that this has satisfied your inquiry and all your questions regarding my finances are  answered.

Read my reply again. I didn't make any inquiry into your finances. I used a rhetorical question to make a statement about marrying somebody who you clearly don't trust. If you need such legal requirements to protect your assets from your wife it points to a lack of trust. Then again, many old timers here marry women twenty years younger who they met in a bar. Yes, a stereotype but stereotypes exist because of a reason. I'm not saying that you met your wife in his way but in my ,humble, opinion such a detailed will points to a lack of trust. If your wife was British would you have such a will? Sorry if I've upset you in any way but please read my posts clearly before accusing me of inquiring after your finances!! This is a public forum and if you post here you will probably be criticised by some and backed up by others. As I'm sure I will be for posting this. Don't take it to heart!!

[Savilesghost]

Just now, claffey said:

Well surely it's a good idea to marry someone that you trust? I trust my wife but then again, we are the same age and met while working in the same office...

Ah and the classic "my wife is different gambit"  while at the same time trying to infer somebody elses wife is not the same age or even trying to infer a  BG angle

 

Pathetic attempt to try and suggest your better than other people 

 

I trusted my western wife who was the same age, same education, same "social status, , familes socicalised together and on paper a match that should have been made in heaven, and yes i trusted her...in the beginning at least and fast forward 12 years figured out how my trust had been misplaced