Work Permit 60k per month or really 720k per annum ??

[LivinLOS]

Question came up in discussion.. For a work permit with a 60k per month minimum wage. 

 

Is it really 60k per month ?? Or is it really annualized no matter how much time your here. 

 

Question came up in relation to someone who may be coming here for 3 - 5 months a year for a business. It is desired to be 100% legit and above board with a legal WP and the costs that creates. The desire for a full legit system linking to a annual extension of stay (which can then sponsor a spouse). 

 

Do they have to have a 720k per annum min wage or do they only need to pay deductions when incountry and paid in Thailand. 

 

I have always heard it referred to as a 'monthly' cost / issue.. But knowing Thailand I strongly suspect that it will require an annualized salary even if the person is only here working a few months. 

[hereforgood]

50000  monthly salary but many expats are working on less than that with a work permit but the company they work for report them as making 50,000 per month and as long as the company is paying tax on the 50,000 per month there is not an issue

[LivinLOS]

I was under the understanding it was nationality dependant being 50k or 60k per month for most western countries.

 

However thats not the question thats being asked. If the 'worker' is in Thailand for eg 4 months in a year, can they pay 4 months taxes and still qualify for the extension ?? 

 

Is this a monthly requirement as it is said to be, or is this really an annual requirement, whether you are in country or not for the time. 

[tagalong]

I thought it was B60,000.00 monthly...

Question? Why  is it so high?    It 's lucky if Thais get 20 K to 30 k with a degree...    When I was teaching I was on 36 k....

I now live very easily on 40K and save...I do not pay rent n have own house.....

Is the government trying to keep poorer farang out of the country?....

[ThailandLOS]

21 minutes ago, tagalong said:

Question? Why  is it so high?    It 's lucky if Thais get 20 K to 30 k with a degree...    When I was teaching I was on 36 k....

Depends on what line of business they are in and their seniority. I got Thai staff in my department doing above 200k.

 

Min. salary for foreigners also depends on the profession apart from country of origin.

Edited February 13, 2017 by ThailandLOS

[natway09]

Work permit renewal they will take many things into consideration

If you have included a copy of tax receipts & form for previous year should be OK

[khunPer]

There's no demand for minimum salary for a foreigner's Work Permit – apart from the local minimum salary around 300 baht (higer now in some provinces) – but Immigration, that allow one extended stay in the Kingdom for the purpose of work, wish to see an after their figure minimum salary and income tax paid, depending of which country the foreigner originates. There is a list – you can search with Google, or find a link for it in other threads in Thai Visa Forum – that state the individual countries, ranging from around 30,000 baht to some 60,000 baht a month (I'm not up-to-date on the figurs, the list I have is from 2013 shows 25k to 50k,  and I'm not allowed to link). As one poster suggested, some foreigners may receive less in salary, but their company report a higher for income tax. School-teachers are accepted little lower monthly salaries, typically ranging from around 30,000 baht a month (perhaps less in some areas, and also depending of origin). Furthermore I've seen a governmental suggested salary list for various jobs, think it originated from the Thai Visa news feed...

[LivinLOS]

Maybe I am not explaining it clearly as none of these are answering the actual issue that I am asking.  

 

To qualify for an extension of stay (hence can sponsor a spouse) is it a monthly figure based on months here, or is it really an annual figure even if your not here for most of the time. 

 

Eg if your out of the country for more than half the year, do you need to pay a full years worth of salary / taxes to get an extension. Or is it that as long as you pay salary and taxes on the months incountry, you would still get the extension. 

[khunPer]

33 minutes ago, LivinLOS said:

Maybe I am not explaining it clearly as none of these are answering the actual issue that I am asking.  

 

To qualify for an extension of stay (hence can sponsor a spouse) is it a monthly figure based on months here, or is it really an annual figure even if your not here for most of the time. 

 

Eg if your out of the country for more than half the year, do you need to pay a full years worth of salary / taxes to get an extension. Or is it that as long as you pay salary and taxes on the months incountry, you would still get the extension. 

Extension of stay based on marriage is an income of 40,000 bath a month, or 400,000 baht in a Thai bank in savings or fixed deposit, or a combination of both. It's an annual income, or fund demand.

 

Extension of stay based on retirement (50 years of age) is similar, but 60,000 bath a month or 800,000 in a Thai bank deposit.

[chickenrunCM]

what a strange question, if you not in Thailand for what you need an extension of stay? if you not working then your work permit will be cancelled and so your extension. Or do you really think you get an employment with 2 month salary and then you can stay for 1 year in Thailand?

[Gulfsailor]

6 minutes ago, chickenrunCM said:

what a strange question, if you not in Thailand for what you need an extension of stay? if you not working then your work permit will be cancelled and so your extension. Or do you really think you get an employment with 2 month salary and then you can stay for 1 year in Thailand?

^ Exactly this.

i fly out of the country regularly, and on a few occasions have been asked upon my return why I was out of the country. when I then show my workpermit, and explain the work I do and it involves traveling, it's all okay. And these trips are never more than 3 or 4 weeks say the most. I can only imagine the hassle they'll give you when you want to come back to Thailand on an extension of stay for so called working in Thailand, after being away for several months. 

[LivinLOS]

8 hours ago, chickenrunCM said:

what a strange question, if you not in Thailand for what you need an extension of stay? if you not working then your work permit will be cancelled and so your extension. Or do you really think you get an employment with 2 month salary and then you can stay for 1 year in Thailand?

The person concerned works mostly outside Thailand.. But also has the opportunity to legally work inside Thailand while here.. He is using freelance staff now (as a division of a global group) but could easily incorporate and have a branch office of the corporation etc.. They are a manager who can manage staff while here, but flys out to manage global contracts for most of the year. 

 

The person has a non Thai wife.. 

 

If he legally gets a B and WP, for his work while here... His wife can get a non O dependant. It ties it all up in a neat bow. This person is in no way interested in visa runs or other cheap systems (elite is his other option but then his work incountry is illegal). 

 

Why does any of that seem strange ?? Of course directors of multi nationals fly in and out non stop and work globally. 

 

The question that came up, and to which I have never heard an answer to but knowing Thais I can guess is.. Is the minimum wage on which taxes need to be paid, really a monthly as it is always said, or is it truly an annual number which must be paid, even if he isnt here for most of the year ?? 

 

 

Edited February 13, 2017 by LivinLOS

[LivinLOS]

8 hours ago, Gulfsailor said:

I can only imagine the hassle they'll give you when you want to come back to Thailand on an extension of stay for so called working in Thailand, after being away for several months. 

 

Well they will need to get used to it if they think they want taxes from high dollar executives. Who stays still in that world any more ?? 

 

My own (low value not high flyer) schedule is here, uk ireland, uk holland denmark norway holland uk over the next month alone that I can see and will remain like that all summer. 

 

 

[Phuket Man]

11 hours ago, khunPer said:

Extension of stay based on marriage is an income of 40,000 bath a month, or 400,000 baht in a Thai bank in savings or fixed deposit, or a combination of both. It's an annual income, or fund demand.

 

 

Wrong.

40,000 baht a month, or 400,000 baht in a Thai bank in savings or fixed deposit.

There is no combination of both.

[SiSePuede419]

" I got Thai staff in my department doing above 200k."

 

$6666 USD per month?

 

What kind of criminal enterprise do you run. ?

[ThailandLOS]

23 minutes ago, SiSePuede419 said:

" I got Thai staff in my department doing above 200k."

 

$6666 USD per month?

 

What kind of criminal enterprise do you run. ?

Yes, 200k+ - and getting taxed less than in US or anywhere in EU. Could also mention the bonus program that usually gives 3-4 extra monthly salaries

 

It might surprise you that honest work by educated and devoted individuals pays better than crime. Give it a try - you might like it.

[LivinLOS]

1 hour ago, Phuket Man said:

Wrong.

 

40,000 baht a month, or 400,000 baht in a Thai bank in savings or fixed deposit.

There is no combination of both.

 

Either way the amounts for marriage or retirement are not in any way what I am asking here.. 

[Gulfsailor]

3 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

The person concerned works mostly outside Thailand.. But also has the opportunity to legally work inside Thailand while here.. He is using freelance staff now (as a division of a global group) but could easily incorporate and have a branch office of the corporation etc.. They are a manager who can manage staff while here, but flys out to manage global contracts for most of the year. 

 

The person has a non Thai wife.. 

 

If he legally gets a B and WP, for his work while here... His wife can get a non O dependant. It ties it all up in a neat bow. This person is in no way interested in visa runs or other cheap systems (elite is his other option but then his work incountry is illegal). 

 

Why does any of that seem strange ?? Of course directors of multi nationals fly in and out non stop and work globally. 

 

The question that came up, and to which I have never heard an answer to but knowing Thais I can guess is.. Is the minimum wage on which taxes need to be paid, really a monthly as it is always said, or is it truly an annual number which must be paid, even if he isnt here for most of the year ?? 

 

 

I suggest going to the labour department and discuss this. They are quite accommodating, and could possibly work out a system that suits. Also for the WP you don't need the minimal salary and staff as is required for an extension.  The non B visa is also not a problem. Get the workpermit and then a multiple entry non B from Penang. I don't know if a non B visa allows a dependent visa though. 

But getting the extension of stay from immigration is an entirely different ballgame. They will want to see that the company is legit, enough staff actually work, taxes and premiums are being paid, etc. When only in Thailand a couple of months a year, the associated hassle and cost is just not worth it. 

My proposal; multi entry nonB plus workpermit for guy in person and if a dependency visa is not possible in that, the Elite visa for the spouse. 

[LivinLOS]

35 minutes ago, Gulfsailor said:

and then a multiple entry non B from Penang. I don't know if a non B visa allows a dependent visa though. 

 

But getting the extension of stay from immigration is an entirely different ballgame. They will want to see that the company is legit, enough staff actually work, taxes and premiums are being paid, etc. When only in Thailand a couple of months a year, the associated hassle and cost is just not worth it. 

 

A considered response to the question at hand..Thanks.. I pretty much agree.. 

 

1) I dont believe a dependant option is possible unless he is on an extension.. Which is the reason for wanting an extension. 

 

2) The elite visa for his wife, would cost less than the taxes he would pay in setting up the office here properly, as immigration desire, rather than directing freelance contractors. But the impression I had is he would far rather it all 'above board' legal and handled. He might just pay himself a salary while not here to make it qualify. 

 

His current costs include a singapore condo and other big ticket elements he could reduce.. I was just the realization that the 'monthly min wage' isnt really a monthly min wage at all if you want the extension. Its an annual min wage in reality. 

[muzmurray]

15 hours ago, khunPer said:

Extension of stay based on marriage is an income of 40,000 bath a month, or 400,000 baht in a Thai bank in savings or fixed deposit, or a combination of both. It's an annual income, or fund demand.

 

Extension of stay based on retirement (50 years of age) is similar, but 60,000 bath a month or 800,000 in a Thai bank deposit.

Wrong as has been already pointed out.

 

Wrong again, it is 65k Baht a month or a combination.

[khunPer]

8 hours ago, Phuket Man said:

Wrong.

40,000 baht a month, or 400,000 baht in a Thai bank in savings or fixed deposit.

There is no combination of both.

Thanks for correcting me; I can now see that it's either-or with extension based on marriage.

[blackcab]

9 hours ago, LivinLOS said:

The question that came up, and to which I have never heard an answer to but knowing Thais I can guess is.. Is the minimum wage on which taxes need to be paid, really a monthly as it is always said, or is it truly an annual number which must be paid, even if he isnt here for most of the year ?? 

 

Income Tax and Social Fund payments are strictly monthly. When you apply for an extension of stay based on Business you have to show the actual payment receipts plus submit a copy of your latest Thai tax return.

 

To obtain the 1 year extension you must receive the minimum salary, every month, and pay tax and social fund, every month.

Edited February 14, 2017 by blackcab

[khunPer]

5 hours ago, muzmurray said:

Wrong as has been already pointed out.

 

Wrong again, it is 65k Baht a month or a combination.

Thanks, I did not do that well in my answer here, even quoted a wrong amount...

[blackcab]

On 13/02/2017 at 3:20 PM, tagalong said:

I thought it was B60,000.00 monthly...

Question? Why  is it so high?    It 's lucky if Thais get 20 K to 30 k with a degree...    When I was teaching I was on 36 k....

 

50,000 or less for specified countries, as specified in Royal Thai Police Order No. 606/2549:

 

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/rtp606EN.pdf

 

Why so much? Because the Thai government doesn't want to provide a cheap and easy visa option.

 

Incidentally, teachers are generally exempt from the minimum salary.