Surapong in the dock over Thaksin's passports

[wakeupplease]

Did someone say justice did someone say reform

 

Not in this neck of the woods, just persecute and look after their own interests

 

never in a million years the way its going will this place get back to its former glory and even then in its heyday it was mega corrupt and unfair to all except the rich

 

Education, a serious lack of it here, never learn by their mistakes, much better life in the distant past than now that is for sure

 

 

[Rhys]

Balif whack his  P & P and CCRs

 

[Rhys]

better late...

[sjaak327]

19 hours ago, craigt3365 said:

Did any of them have their passports issued by a standing minister while they were out of the country avoiding legal charges?

They don't have to avoid legal charges, as they are literally above the law. The evidence of them breaking the law is compelling and undeniable. Therefore any attempt appealing to following the law are useless.

 

Yet another piece of evidence that "reconciliation" the junta keeps talking about is just a smoke screen. I mean, this guy had an undisputable mandate, trying to impeach him shows how reconciliation is of no concern, it further shows that the people running this country are childish and out of touch with what really matters.

 

 

[Reigntax]

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Silly comparison.

 

Do you know the facts of the case? Care to comment on his actions or his decision to ignore the Ombudsman's repeated questions on them?

 

Ignorant and naive comment.

 

Are you aware that a junta has forcefully taken control of the country with the sole purpose to eliminate the Shins and anybody associated with them?

 

Do you understand the last 70 years of military interference with impunity? Care to comment on their actions to ignore all investigations into their actions or questioning of such?

[sjaak327]

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

None of which excuses the actions of this ex Minister. Nor does it have any bearing on this case. 

 

You might care to remember that it was pursuing a general amnesty for their boss that brought PTP down in the end. And really, are you so naive to pretend the Shins ruled fairly - 555! They rules in their own favor, changed laws to suit themselves or ignored laws and court decisions they didn't like, Thaksin is sitting out the statute of limitations on some very serious outstanding cases. Then he still has to deal with the conviction, sentence and jumping bail. Thaksin and his clan also made full use of the law to persecute and silence opponents when they could. 

 

 

They had every right to introduce the amnesty bill. After all they did have 300 out of 500 seats in parliament. It's called democracy. Like it or hate it, that amnesty bill would have done more for reconciliation than any attempt the current governement has put to the table, as that amnesty would not have only benefitted a select few. It remains a mistery why the likes of you keep complaining about that amnesty bill, that was introduced using the parliamentiary system, and was in compliance with the charter of the time, yet never talk about the unlawful, amnesty granted to the NCPO that has no voter support whatsoever. It is good to point out that despite the overwelming electoral majority, that law never made it, the one the Junta introduced did...

 

I am not going to use terms like hypocrite, but I think you will get my meaning load and clear.

[sjaak327]

18 hours ago, robblok said:

You really don't get it.. or don't want top get it... the military did not have their passport revoked. They had not fled the country to avoid a load of court-cases that could send him away for a long time. Surapong was aiding  a convicted criminal on the run. Look up what that gets you in the USA. 

what an idiotic post. So staging a coup is legal now ? The people you are defending are much more criminal than Thaksin ever was. It's just that your prejudice is clearing your better judgement. The rest of the world does know and laughs at post like this.

 

A legal system ONLY works if all are equal. In this case, one side gets to not only break the law, but introduce their very own laws, without any mandate whatsoever, and the other side gets impeached for silly stuff like issuing a passport to someone who has been "convicted" of a land sale, of which he wasn't even a direct beneficiary. Ask yourself this question, why wasn't he convicted for the war on drugs. If you know the answer, you might truly know something about this country.

[jerojero]

About time!

[halloween]

52 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

They had every right to introduce the amnesty bill. After all they did have 300 out of 500 seats in parliament. It's called democracy. Like it or hate it, that amnesty bill would have done more for reconciliation than any attempt the current governement has put to the table, as that amnesty would not have only benefitted a select few. It remains a mistery why the likes of you keep complaining about that amnesty bill, that was introduced using the parliamentiary system, and was in compliance with the charter of the time, yet never talk about the unlawful, amnesty granted to the NCPO that has no voter support whatsoever. It is good to point out that despite the overwelming electoral majority, that law never made it, the one the Junta introduced did...

 

I am not going to use terms like hypocrite, but I think you will get my meaning load and clear.

Yes they had every right to introduce the bill. Then, those MPs who would have directly or indirectly benfitted from it should have declared their conflict of interest and recused themselves from voting on it, otherwise they could be considered to be corruptly passing laws for their own benefit. That wouldn't have left much of a majority, would it?

But as PTP were blatantly corrupt, that wasn't a matter of consideration. After all, the party was in power to benefit the man who paid them.

[robblok]

4 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

what an idiotic post. So staging a coup is legal now ? The people you are defending are much more criminal than Thaksin ever was. It's just that your prejudice is clearing your better judgement. The rest of the world does know and laughs at post like this.

 

A legal system ONLY works if all are equal. In this case, one side gets to not only break the law, but introduce their very own laws, without any mandate whatsoever, and the other side gets impeached for silly stuff like issuing a passport to someone who has been "convicted" of a land sale, of which he wasn't even a direct beneficiary. Ask yourself this question, why wasn't he convicted for the war on drugs. If you know the answer, you might truly know something about this country.

That is because the rest of the world does not know about all the other cases Thaksin had or his hand in the 3000 extra judicial executions... oh.. i guess you forgot about that. Must be red selective memory.  We can also say now that the red shirts were the black shirts as it was proven in court.. so those 90 deaths.. certainly not only on the hands of the military.. more so on the hands of Thaksin who controls the red shirts and certainly had a hand in the blackshirts.

 

The rest of the world does not know the real dealings of Thaksin or they would not laugh. Coups legal.. no but done without deaths are not so bad certainly not if it stops the red shirts from killing protesters.. That is the whole problem of the reds.. they kill too much they are too violent. That is what is used as an excuse (a valid one) to launch a coup. Now you go back defending him and his armed squad of killers have fun.

[robblok]

I wish they had something they call tolling (just recently learned about it) in the US here too. That means the statute of limitations is suspended for the time a criminal is outside of the country. Would of course not only apply to Thaksin but also to the likes of the monk and the red bull killer.

[mtls2005]

A legal system ONLY works if all are equal.

 

 

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

 

 

 

I wish they had something they call tolling (just recently learned about it) in the US here too. 

 

Someone is watching "Elementary"? On a serious note, this is rarely used, and would never be enacted here, unless it could only be used against red-shirts.

 

 

[Artisi]

23 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

The national anti-graft agency accused Surapong, a key politician from the Pheu Thai Party, 

 

It is amazing how "efficient" these "anti-xxxxx" agencies", and the "judicial" system can be when it involves red-shirts.

 

The hunt for Red-Shirts will never end. All in the name of "reconciliation".

And why shouldn't they pursue the red-shirt criminals or would prefer to just let it go as they were really good guys just lead astray (amazing what money can do to the thinking of some people).

[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, Artisi said:

And why shouldn't they pursue the red-shirt criminals or would prefer to just let it go as they were really good guys just lead astray (amazing what money can do to the thinking of some people).

 

Not sure how you made this leap?

 

I would "prefer" that "they" should pursue "all" potential "criminals", through fair and equal application of the law. /dreamoff

 

My only comment was that "the wheels of justice" seem to turn at different rates based on the affiliation of the "accused". This cannot be a new concept to you, assuming you've been in Thailand for more than a few days.

[robblok]

19 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

A legal system ONLY works if all are equal.

 

 

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

 

 

 

I wish they had something they call tolling (just recently learned about it) in the US here too. 

 

Someone is watching "Elementary"? On a serious note, this is rarely used, and would never be enacted here, unless it could only be used against red-shirts.

 

 

(i love Elementary and yes I got it from there then researched it on WIKI)

 

I don't know if they have it in Thailand.. it would be great if they had. 

[robblok]

11 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Not sure how you made this leap?

 

I would "prefer" that "they" should pursue "all" potential "criminals", through fair and equal application of the law. /dreamoff

 

My only comment was that "the wheels of justice" seem to turn at different rates based on the affiliation of the "accused". This cannot be a new concept to you, assuming you've been in Thailand for more than a few days.

Oh but I told you the PTP did the same when they controlled the DSI.. so why should it now be different.. its now the turn of the PTP to get payback. I prefer a different system but even your beloved PTP is not going to change if they get in power they will use the law to go after their opponents just like everyone else does.

 

Can you remember during the rice scame (eh program).. that the democrats came with rotting rice and a high official came out with figures that it was not cost neutral.. the PTP then set the law upon them (theft for stealing rotting rice and some other laws for the official). They all do it and it wont change. So now the PTP is not in power their naughty deeds are being punished. That is why they hang on to power.. to protect themselves. 

[Artisi]

21 hours ago, Get Real said:

I suppose he have other passports from other countries, so really not a big issue. Maybe even better if they let him keep his passports from start. Then they would have at least been able to track his moves.

Who wants to track a had-been. It has been great of late in not having to see constant news reports about the camel driver and everytime he passes wind or similar non-news. 

[Artisi]

27 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Not sure how you made this leap?

 

I would "prefer" that "they" should pursue "all" potential "criminals", through fair and equal application of the law. /dreamoff

 

My only comment was that "the wheels of justice" seem to turn at different rates based on the affiliation of the "accused". This cannot be a new concept to you, assuming you've been in Thailand for more than a few days.

No leap, just answering your one-sided comment re chasing red-shirts. I have no problem with all crims being chased and brought to answer their wrong doings.

Your assumption was correct about being in Thailand for more than a few days. 

[mtls2005]

No leap, just answering your one-sided comment re chasing red-shirts.

 

And you answered that by demonstrating that the "authorities" "chase" criminals, with equal fervor, regardless of their affiliation?

 

I'll make it simpler...

 

If they're Yellow, let them mellow.

If they're Red, shoot them dead.

[Artisi]

19 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

No leap, just answering your one-sided comment re chasing red-shirts.

 

And you answered that by demonstrating that the "authorities" "chase" criminals, with equal fervor, regardless of their affiliation?

 

I'll make it simpler...

 

If they're Yellow, let them mellow.

If they're Red, shoot them dead.

Check of comprehension needed. The comment  was " all crims being chased", plus  there was no mention of affiliation, that is entirely your imagination or is it bias?

[mtls2005]

Check of comprehension needed. 

 

Not following you there.

 

I confess to not following each and every instance of the current National Legislative Assembly's impeachment procedures over the past few years, but it does seem like most, if not all, are former PTP members.

 

That seems "curious", or not.

 

I'm sure there's nothing to that. Just a coincidence.

 

 

 

[Get Real]

59 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Who wants to track a had-been. It has been great of late in not having to see constant news reports about the camel driver and everytime he passes wind or similar non-news. 

The Thai authorities.

[robblok]

27 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Check of comprehension needed. 

 

Not following you there.

 

I confess to not following each and every instance of the current National Legislative Assembly's impeachment procedures over the past few years, but it does seem like most, if not all, are former PTP members.

 

That seems "curious", or not.

 

I'm sure there's nothing to that. Just a coincidence.

 

 

 

Actually not that curious.. who has been more and longer in power.. PTP.. so who has a larger chance of having broken the law.

 

I can make it easy for you..suppose you drive 10.000 km  a year or 40.000 km... is it strange that the ones driving 40.000 km are more likely to be in an accidents (if both are equally good drivers).

[greenchair]

On 19/2/2017 at 9:52 AM, robblok said:

During the PTP reign cases were stalled.. the DSI used as their personal attack dog and released at their enemies (remember Tarit). Now the junta is doing exactly the same thing and people are complaining. They did not complain when it was their side who did the same thing.

 

Face it.. this is the only way some of the fat cats will get punished. During the reign of their party they are untouchable.. only later can get punished.

 

This is how it works here and it won't change, I can bet you if the PTP gets in power certain cases will be stalled others sped up.. and their enemies percecuted. That is just how it is. So now they have to suck it up and take it.. they dished it out too.

 

The only protection against this is not committing crimes, be clean and they don't have anything on you. 

I absolutely agree .

PTP prosecutes the Democrats to weaken their party. 

Democrats prosecute PTP to weaken their party. 

In amongst it all, a lot of corruption is being cleared out. Both parties, village heads, ministers, police and permanent secretaries are slowly learning, eventually they will pay the price. 

Who keeps the army in check? ?

[robblok]

1 minute ago, greenchair said:

I absolutely agree .

PTP prosecutes the Democrats to weaken their party. 

Democrats prosecute PTP to weaken their party. 

In amongst it all, a lot of corruption is being cleared out. Both parties, village heads, ministers, police and permanent secretaries are slowly learning, eventually they will pay the price. 

Who keeps the army in check? ?

Yes that is the only problem.. the army.

 

Agree there, plus you don't see much police getting caught (just sometimes)

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

They don't have to avoid legal charges, as they are literally above the law. The evidence of them breaking the law is compelling and undeniable. Therefore any attempt appealing to following the law are useless.

 

Yet another piece of evidence that "reconciliation" the junta keeps talking about is just a smoke screen. I mean, this guy had an undisputable mandate, trying to impeach him shows how reconciliation is of no concern, it further shows that the people running this country are childish and out of touch with what really matters.

 

 

 

So you believe the serious specific breaking of serious laws (certainly not politically motivated or trumped up charges) by surapong should be ignored to help reconciliation.

 

 

[mike324]

I remember during PTP's administration, the DSI claim that Thaksins arrest warrant disappeared during a routine "computer update". That is why his passport was reissued and returned to him.

[Artisi]

44 minutes ago, mike324 said:

I remember during PTP's administration, the DSI claim that Thaksins arrest warrant disappeared during a routine "computer update". That is why his passport was reissued and returned to him.

No, it was returned to him because at the time the laws of Thailand didn't apply to him, no need for conspiracy theories. 

[greenchair]

In fact he didn't even need the thai passport. He has many passports and travels where he pleases. 

Why take it out on the poor foreign minister that is damned if he gave it and damned if he didn't. 

Similar to the bank executives that recieved 20 years in jail. 

[sjaak327]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

 

So you believe the serious specific breaking of serious laws (certainly not politically motivated or trumped up charges) by surapong should be ignored to help reconciliation.

 

 

Well since we are already ignoring high treason by the NCPO members, this rather small transgression could easily be ignored...