webfact Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Suicide won't stop raid under Article 44, junta chief says By Sasiwan Mokkhasen, Staff Reporter Monks and protesters pray Sunday evening for Anawat Thanacharoennat, 64, who committed suicide to protest the use of Article 44 to besiege Wat Dhammakaya. A banner displayed at the gathering refers to him as a hero of Buddhism. PATHUM THANI — One day after a man publicly hanged himself in protest, the junta chief insisted Sunday it was necessary to use his absolute power to continue the siege of Wat Dhammakaya. Responding to Saturday night’s suicide, junta chairman Prayuth Chan-ocha said it was necessary to use Article 44 of the junta’s constitution to allow officers to act with legal impunity as the laws had proved ineffective to bring to justice the sect’s former abbot, who is wanted on money laundering and other charges. Full story: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/featured/2017/02/26/suicide-wont-stop-raid-article-44-junta-chief-says/ -- © Copyright Khaosod English 2017-02-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannig Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 (edited) Is Thailand headed towards a local remake of Waco? Does this seem completely unlikely to you guys? not to me anymore, the followers are so heavily brainwashed. I find it impossible to feel the slightest sympathy for either of the two opposed parties here. Edited February 26, 2017 by Lannig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 PM insists on Article 44 By THE NATION About 300 monks, above, stage a protest at Dhammakaya Temple calling on the government to stop exercising power under Article 44 of the interim charter in dealing with the temple. Minister voices concern about faith-based abuses causing misunderstanding after suicide near temple. BANGKOK: -- PRIME Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha expressed his condolences yesterday over the death of a 64-year-old man who hanged himself near Dhammakaya Temple. But the PM insisted that Article 44 needed to be used to maintain control at the temple – as the task was “beyond the power” of ordinary laws. “I’m saddened by the death but the order is necessary to curb bad people who can’t be dealt with via normal laws. Many may see the order as not being effective. Or maybe that the NCPO (National Council for Peace and Order) is not trustworthy or unable to control the situation,” Prayut said. His comments came after Anawat Thanacharernnut hung himself from a high-rise radio antenna in an apparent protest against the siege at the controversial temple. Full story: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/30307343 -- © Copyright The Nation 2017-02-27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ezzra Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 The loyalty of any Thai, be a lay man or monk, is first and foremost with king and country followed by law in order, all other affiliations are last, should the government capitulate to the warring Wat Dhammakaya leaders and followers, that will be the day they will lose the battle and there will be no stopping them from expending to country within a country, beside, self immolation of monks look much better on TV than hanging.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowboat Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 2 hours ago, webfact said: bad people who can’t be dealt with via normal laws. This statement is profoundly worrying considering that the courts are politically driven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBOP Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Jones Town begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 It seems like this is now about a great deal more than arresting an Abbot? I wonder what that could be? And why? Maybe best not to ask too many questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatawonderfulday Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 3 hours ago, ezzra said: The loyalty of any Thai, be a lay man or monk, is first and foremost with king and country followed by law in order, all other affiliations are last, should the government capitulate to the warring Wat Dhammakaya leaders and followers, that will be the day they will lose the battle and there will be no stopping them from expending to country within a country, beside, self immolation of monks look much better on TV than hanging.... Loyalty of Thais is to the holy Baht, first and foremost. Anything thing else is secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tominbkk Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 hero of Buddhism? Riggggghhhhhhhtttttttt....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LennyW Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 8 minutes ago, whatawonderfulday said: Loyalty of Thais is to the holy Baht, first and foremost. Anything thing else is secondary. And that includes the monks/temples...just a money machine!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Ezza... your intent to summarize on why thailand has such major management problems is because they don't know who is on first...need a new set of priorities... if law and order (I think you mean this) existed as priority #1, one wouldn't have these unbelievable problems that plagues thailand daily... wouldn't have stupid comments like need something above normal laws to rule... rule by existing laws and enforced them properly and with due diligence.... Edited February 27, 2017 by cardinalblue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smotherb Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, whatawonderfulday said: Loyalty of Thais is to the holy Baht, first and foremost. Anything thing else is secondary. And, you think Thais love money any more than the average citizen of any country in the world? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 5 hours ago, webfact said: Responding to Saturday night’s suicide, junta chairman Prayuth Chan-ocha said it was necessary to use Article 44 of the junta’s constitution to allow officers to act with legal impunity as the laws had proved ineffective to bring to justice the sect’s former abbot, who is wanted on money laundering and other charges. Fairly well summarizes the rule of law in Thailand now - It is whenever and whatever the junta says it is. If the laws are ineffective, the junta-appointed NLA can repeal, amend or create laws. But understanding that the NLA works solely at the pleasure of Prayut and not to the Thai electorate, he effectively "cuts to the chase" to bypass his rubber stamp institution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweatalot Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Suicide of their followers would be either a tactical weapon from the Dammakaya people. (Examples from other sects are well known) or action of some psychos among their followers The Dammakaya people would be responsible for both kind of victims. Kind of "living shield" known from IS or other criminal organizations stopping because of them would not be helpful. Edited February 27, 2017 by sweatalot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatawonderfulday Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Suicide on a mass scale will never happen without more encouragement !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realenglish1 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 If that was the case then the Abbott would be immune during normal times I just don't buy this argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KKr Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I still fail to understand why people that interfere with the course of justice i.e. the police doing their work being in this case bringing in a crime suspect, are not arrested. I guess there is no need for an article 44 to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 This criminal incident is a Thailand incident. Why are any of you trying to make it similar to any of the USA nut job, incidents? No monks were involved in the US. The US military and law enforcers had their own problems with Waco, and the other incidents in the US. Thailand will eventually get a conclusion to this one, if they keep treating it as a criminal event, and keep the pressure on until they eventually locate this formor abbott. Put a price on his head, and keep increasing a bit every day until he is ratted out. Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 minute ago, KKr said: I still fail to understand why people that interfere with the course of justice i.e. the police doing their work being in this case bringing in a crime suspect, are not arrested. I guess there is no need for an article 44 to do this. Article 44 is excessive and preventing food into the temple is inhuman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtls2005 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 7 minutes ago, KKr said: I still fail to understand why people that interfere with the course of justice i.e. the police doing their work being in this case bringing in a crime suspect, are not arrested. I guess there is no need for an article 44 to do this. There may be more to this situation, but then it may be best if you didn't really try to understand what's really going on. This is isn't about embezzlement, or whatever the "authorities" are telling you today. This is about eliminating this sect of Buddhism in Thailand once and for all. But don't ask why, or for additional details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitman Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 2 hours ago, smotherb said: And, you think Thais love money any more than the average citizen of any country in the world? Chai kapiii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krataiboy Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, mtls2005 said: There may be more to this situation, but then it may be best if you didn't really try to understand what's really going on. This is isn't about embezzlement, or whatever the "authorities" are telling you today. This is about eliminating this sect of Buddhism in Thailand once and for all. But don't ask why, or for additional details. An riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. I shan't sleep tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Eric Loh said: Article 44 is excessive and preventing food into the temple is inhuman. How is stopping food going into the temple grounds inhuman? If the supporters are hungry all they have to do is walk outside and give their business to the local people living around the temple. Nobody is stopping them from doing that at all. It could be considered inhuman if the police and military who have surrounded the compound had locked it down allowing nobody and nothing to enter or leave but that is not so in this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 1 hour ago, mtls2005 said: There may be more to this situation, but then it may be best if you didn't really try to understand what's really going on. This is isn't about embezzlement, or whatever the "authorities" are telling you today. This is about eliminating this sect of Buddhism in Thailand once and for all. But don't ask why, or for additional details. Why are you not prepared to give additional details but you expect people to accept YOUR words as the real thing without any attempt to provide ANY details, links or proof? Are you offering an "alternative truth" perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 14 minutes ago, Krataiboy said: An riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. I shan't sleep tonight. I will sleep well tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 7 hours ago, webfact said: Many may see the order as not being effective. Or maybe that the NCPO (National Council for Peace and Order) is not trustworthy or unable to control the situation,” Prayut said. Somebody's conscience is bothering him or the spinal transplant is taking hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 7 hours ago, ezzra said: The loyalty of any Thai, be a lay man or monk, is first and foremost with king and country followed by law in order, all other affiliations are last, should the government capitulate to the warring Wat Dhammakaya leaders and followers, that will be the day they will lose the battle and there will be no stopping them from expending to country within a country, beside, self immolation of monks look much better on TV than hanging.... Yes expanding to a country within a country is a real danger. Budda would of course be a better option than article 44. As I see it there is the fear of the after life and a swarm of locusts and cockroaches overrunning the land. The competition for food would then obviously become very intense. Watch out here comes a size 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Every year before the birthday of the abbot at Wat Thammakai on April 22nd invitations are sent out to approx 30,000 temples throughout Thailand inviting monks to the birthday celebrations at Wat Thammakai. The monks are given money, the amount depending on their rank. Whilst a novice may only receive 500 baht, the amount increases with importance from a tambon chief monk to a district chief monk to a regional chief monk, right up to members of the Supreme Sangha Council. The handouts can be up to a million baht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgordo38 Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Easy general don't stir up the orange hornets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williamgeorgeallen Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 4 hours ago, whatawonderfulday said: Suicide on a mass scale will never happen without more encouragement !! and some cool-aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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